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This is what we are up against:
http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=173&f=2671&t=12351389&p=1
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http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=173&f=2671&t=12351389&p=1
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This is what we are up against:
http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=173&f=2671&t=12351389&p=1
I am very happy with Weber. Fans keep saying he has to prove himself but I don't know if he can ever do that to most of them. I think his recruiting has been good enough to put together a very good team next year.
Then there was the person who guessed that "coach C, with 0 wins, 0 seasons as a head coach and 0 seasons as an assistant coach" was Cotton Fitzsimmons. I almost became physically ill and couldn't read anymore.
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Things are different today. This is very much a "what have you done for me lately" world, with a plethora of "what have you done for me lately" fans. Let's stay true to the Hartman -Winter years. Let's don't wallow in the mire with some of the Illinois fans and others whose expectations exceed reality. Most coaches win and then they lose ... and sometimes, they begin to win again. All it takes is a belief that that will happen.
Coach C is Doug Gottlieb, who would have been the riskiest hire in the history of NCAA basketball. Our program is too good to take that kind of risk, although I see it happening elsewhere.
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If you want to read some real :facepalm: go through that guy's posts. I swear him and learnin are Weber's kids, only explanation.
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Things are different today. This is very much a "what have you done for me lately" world, with a plethora of "what have you done for me lately" fans. Let's stay true to the Hartman -Winter years. Let's don't wallow in the mire with some of the Illinois fans and others whose expectations exceed reality. Most coaches win and then they lose ... and sometimes, they begin to win again. All it takes is a belief that that will happen.
Coach C is Doug Gottlieb, who would have been the riskiest hire in the history of NCAA basketball. Our program is too good to take that kind of risk, although I see it happening elsewhere.
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:'bye cruel world:
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http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=173&f=2671&t=12351389&p=1
Dude needs some history lessons. KSU students protested Tex Winter after his seond season (in 1955!) with signs saying "Spring Is Here/Winter Must Go." Frank was a very unpopular hire, and people still doubted him after his first season and ascribed any success he had to Beasley.
I do buy the theory that Frank is popular because he was a "cult hero" to the students.
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gopo had a thread that was "this isn't on oscar, it's on frank"
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gopo had a thread that was "this isn't on oscar, it's on frank"
omg i dont even
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gopo had a thread that was "this isn't on oscar, it's on frank"
Stupid. oscar is the coach.
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gopo had a thread that was "this isn't on oscar, it's on frank"
Stupid. oscar is the coach.
Yeah, that's really, really dumb. Then you have to give most of the credit for success last year to Frank which no gPer would do.
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gopo had a thread that was "this isn't on oscar, it's on frank"
Stupid. oscar is the coach.
Yeah, that's really, really dumb. Then you have to give most of the credit for success last year to Frank which no gPer would do.
oh boy. dax is going to get really snarky on you now.
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gopo had a thread that was "this isn't on oscar, it's on frank"
Stupid. oscar is the coach.
Yeah, that's really, really dumb. Then you have to give most of the credit for success last year to Frank which no gPer would do.
Theoretically the further we get from Frank, the less credit/blame he should get. So, Frank was more responsible for last year's championship than this year's abortion. It's pretty simple, but doesn't fit the narrative over there.
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Frank does get some credit for last year, obvs with McGruder and ArT, and obviously with Tay and Shane playing free and easy because of ArT and McGruder and the fact that Weber didn't go insane on them for every little thing, unlike Frank.
But he also deserves a little blame for this year because there's no one in the upper class ranks that's even remotely capable of stepping up in any kind of leadership role, at least not to date. I personally think ArT made a huge mistake and will regret leaving K-State. He would be playing the most minutes on the team this year easily.
If this $hitshow continues, I'm gonna want oscar fired as quickly as possible. But I'm not going to melt down in the 4th game of this season. But these upper classman, I mean come on.
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Frank does get some credit for last year, obvs with McGruder and ArT, and obviously with Tay and Shane playing free and easy because of ArT and McGruder and the fact that Weber didn't go insane on them for every little thing, unlike Frank.
But he also deserves a little blame for this year because there's no one in the upper class ranks that's even remotely capable of stepping up in any kind of leadership role, at least not to date. I personally think ArT made a huge mistake and will regret leaving K-State. He would be playing the most minutes on the team this year easily.
If this $hitshow continues, I'm gonna want oscar fired as quickly as possible. But I'm not going to melt down in the 4th game of this season. But these upper classman, I mean come on.
The upper classman were role players, that happened to function very well (or less shitty in the case of Will) with Frank's star point guard. Our new coach couldn't figure out how to retain his best player, who was the facilitator for the entire team, and you think that the explanation is that the upper classman must be terrible at basketball now. You are one dumb mother rough rider.
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Frank does get some credit for last year, obvs with McGruder and ArT, and obviously with Tay and Shane playing free and easy because of ArT and McGruder and the fact that Weber didn't go insane on them for every little thing, unlike Frank.
But he also deserves a little blame for this year because there's no one in the upper class ranks that's even remotely capable of stepping up in any kind of leadership role, at least not to date. I personally think ArT made a huge mistake and will regret leaving K-State. He would be playing the most minutes on the team this year easily.
If this $hitshow continues, I'm gonna want oscar fired as quickly as possible. But I'm not going to melt down in the 4th game of this season. But these upper classman, I mean come on.
The upper classman were role players, that happened to function very well (or less shitty in the case of Will) with Frank's star point guard. Our new coach couldn't figure out how to retain his best player, who was the facilitator for the entire team, and you think that the explanation is that the upper classman must be terrible at basketball now. You are one dumb mother rough rider.
Where did I say that they were terrible? But when a supposed decent shooter gets one wide open look after another and he can't knock down $hit, that hurts.
Plus, you don't know jack crap about why ArT left, you don't know a f_cking thing. There were rumors from nearly Day One of ArT arriving on campus that he was home sick that he was thinking about transferring. I know you're just playing the role of a dumbass butthurt Frankite, but ya know, in the real world once some people make up their mind to do something, no talking or action in the world is going to convince them to change their mind.
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do you guys think oscar is maybe being to hard on his seniors this year?
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Frank does get some credit for last year, obvs with McGruder and ArT, and obviously with Tay and Shane playing free and easy because of ArT and McGruder and the fact that Weber didn't go insane on them for every little thing, unlike Frank.
But he also deserves a little blame for this year because there's no one in the upper class ranks that's even remotely capable of stepping up in any kind of leadership role, at least not to date. I personally think ArT made a huge mistake and will regret leaving K-State. He would be playing the most minutes on the team this year easily.
If this $hitshow continues, I'm gonna want oscar fired as quickly as possible. But I'm not going to melt down in the 4th game of this season. But these upper classman, I mean come on.
The upper classman were role players, that happened to function very well (or less shitty in the case of Will) with Frank's star point guard. Our new coach couldn't figure out how to retain his best player, who was the facilitator for the entire team, and you think that the explanation is that the upper classman must be terrible at basketball now. You are one dumb mother rough rider.
Where did I say that they were terrible?
Plus, you don't know jack crap about why ArT left, you don't know a f_cking thing. There were rumors from nearly Day One of ArT arriving on campus that he was home sick that he was thinking about transferring. I know you're just playing the role of a dumbass butthurt Frankite, but ya know, in the real world once some people make up their mind to do something, no talking or action in the world is going to convince them to change their mind.
I think you know that's pretty disingenuous, you've been clear that you think Frank's players are why we're losing. Since our team is terrible, then it stands to reason that you think Frank's players are terrible. Also, I didn't make any attempt to say why art left us for stupid old Miami, but it happened on oscar's watch...not Frank's. It's his responsibility. He may not have been able to do anything to keep him, but you better rough ridin' figure out a comparable replacement. We don't have one right now. That is oscar's fault.
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do you guys think oscar is maybe being to hard on his seniors this year?
i think it's entirely possible and as a result they are playing too tight and not free.
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Something we can’t lose sight of is that Frank went to the NIT in his second year. If oscar matches that, then he’s met expectations because our program was in the exact same spot (both in recent success, fan expectation and involvement) when Frank took over as when oscar took over.
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Frank does get some credit for last year, obvs with McGruder and ArT, and obviously with Tay and Shane playing free and easy because of ArT and McGruder and the fact that Weber didn't go insane on them for every little thing, unlike Frank.
But he also deserves a little blame for this year because there's no one in the upper class ranks that's even remotely capable of stepping up in any kind of leadership role, at least not to date. I personally think ArT made a huge mistake and will regret leaving K-State. He would be playing the most minutes on the team this year easily.
If this $hitshow continues, I'm gonna want oscar fired as quickly as possible. But I'm not going to melt down in the 4th game of this season. But these upper classman, I mean come on.
The upper classman were role players, that happened to function very well (or less shitty in the case of Will) with Frank's star point guard. Our new coach couldn't figure out how to retain his best player, who was the facilitator for the entire team, and you think that the explanation is that the upper classman must be terrible at basketball now. You are one dumb mother rough rider.
Where did I say that they were terrible?
Plus, you don't know jack crap about why ArT left, you don't know a f_cking thing. There were rumors from nearly Day One of ArT arriving on campus that he was home sick that he was thinking about transferring. I know you're just playing the role of a dumbass butthurt Frankite, but ya know, in the real world once some people make up their mind to do something, no talking or action in the world is going to convince them to change their mind.
I think you know that's pretty disingenuous, you've been clear that you think Frank's players are why we're losing. Since our team is terrible, then it stands to reason that you think Frank's players are terrible. Also, I didn't make any attempt to say why art left us for stupid old Miami, but it happened on oscar's watch...not Frank's. It's his responsibility. He may not have been able to do anything to keep him, but you better rough ridin' figure out a comparable replacement. We don't have one right now. That is oscar's fault.
When you've got two guys who are getting one wide open look after another in Shane and Spradling and they don't hit $hit then who else can you blame? Don't give me this role player crap. Spradling's role wasn't to play point guard, but it was to be a guy who could knock down open trey's. The vast majority of looks that Southwell is getting this year are almost exactly the same looks he was knocking down with consistency last year.
ArT decided to officially announce his transfer when, and Spring NLI signing day was when?
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You obviously can't be helped. I'm sorry that you didn't enjoy the Frank years. I'm more sorry that you are having to defend what's going on right now with our bball team. It must be hard. Ts and Ps.
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You obviously can't be helped. I'm sorry that you didn't enjoy the Frank years. I'm more sorry that you are having to defend what's going on right now with our bball team. It must be hard. Ts and Ps.
Just a typical Frankite style tap out. Who said I didn't enjoy the Frank years? But you're a complete dumbass if you didn't think there wouldn't be some struggles this year.
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90% of players have to be molded into leaders. Shane and Will would fit this category. oscar failed to make them leaders, and it's showing. If you want to blame it on Frank for not developing them into leaders when they were sophomores, then you're trolling worse (better?) than kim carnes.
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90% of players have to be molded into leaders. Shane and Will would fit this category. oscar failed to make them leaders, and it's showing. If you want to blame it on Frank for not developing them into leaders when they were sophomores, then you're trolling worse (better?) than kim carnes.
Or they're just not capable of being leaders and it is what it is. It's the 4th game of the season and two guys any coach would have counted on this year to knock down open shots consistently based on prior performance can't find their ass so far . . . this year.
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You obviously can't be helped. I'm sorry that you didn't enjoy the Frank years. I'm more sorry that you are having to defend what's going on right now with our bball team. It must be hard. Ts and Ps.
Just a typical Frankite style tap out. Who said I didn't enjoy the Frank years? But you're a complete dumbass if you didn't think there wouldn't be some struggles this year.
I thought there would be struggles this year, sure. I thought they would come when we got blown out by Georgetown, or struggling to go .500 in conference. I didn't imagine we'd be going 2-2 to begin the year, and our losses would come against shitty competition. If you're okay with that, then you can get the eff out. Also, if you enjoyed the Frank years, then you're pretty rough ridin' stupid for celebrating when they were over.
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You obviously can't be helped. I'm sorry that you didn't enjoy the Frank years. I'm more sorry that you are having to defend what's going on right now with our bball team. It must be hard. Ts and Ps.
Just a typical Frankite style tap out. Who said I didn't enjoy the Frank years? But you're a complete dumbass if you didn't think there wouldn't be some struggles this year.
I thought there would be struggles this year, sure. I thought they would come when we got blown out by Georgetown, or struggling to go .500 in conference. I didn't imagine we'd be going 2-2 to begin the year, and our losses would come against shitty competition. If you're okay with that, then you can get the eff out. Also, if you enjoyed the Frank years, then you're pretty rough ridin' stupid for celebrating when they were over.
Soon to be 2-3
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You obviously can't be helped. I'm sorry that you didn't enjoy the Frank years. I'm more sorry that you are having to defend what's going on right now with our bball team. It must be hard. Ts and Ps.
Just a typical Frankite style tap out. Who said I didn't enjoy the Frank years? But you're a complete dumbass if you didn't think there wouldn't be some struggles this year.
I thought there would be struggles this year, sure. I thought they would come when we got blown out by Georgetown, or struggling to go .500 in conference. I didn't imagine we'd be going 2-2 to begin the year, and our losses would come against shitty competition. If you're okay with that, then you can get the eff out. Also, if you enjoyed the Frank years, then you're pretty rough ridin' stupid for celebrating when they were over.
I didn't celebrate when the Frank years were over. Frank just had all you guys conned into believing he wanted to coach at K-State for another ten years, just like some people actually believe Bob Huggins when he says that he would have stayed at K-State for a really long time if it weren't for the West Virginia job. Not okay in the least with losing to $hitty teams, but when two seniors repeatedly miss wide open shots, and when guys (including supposedly good FT shooters) go to the line in one loss and miss 15 plus FT's (in one of the losses) it's pretty hard to actually blame the coach for every bit of that (including 2 seniors going 4 for 9 from the stripe).
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well, there you have it folks, ol' sonofbruceweber is ok with losing early games as long as it's not frank losing them.
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well, there you have it folks, ol' sonofbruceweber is ok with losing early games as long as it's not frank losing them.
You Frankites just suck at this. Terrible
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well, there you have it folks, ol' sonofbruceweber is ok with losing early games as long as it's not frank losing them.
You Frankites just suck at this. Terrible
you realize you are more anti-frank than everyone here put together is pro-frank... you have to realize that right?
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well, there you have it folks, ol' sonofbruceweber is ok with losing early games as long as it's not frank losing them.
You Frankites just suck at this. Terrible
you are very good at this, however. seriously!
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You obviously can't be helped. I'm sorry that you didn't enjoy the Frank years. I'm more sorry that you are having to defend what's going on right now with our bball team. It must be hard. Ts and Ps.
Just a typical Frankite style tap out. Who said I didn't enjoy the Frank years? But you're a complete dumbass if you didn't think there wouldn't be some struggles this year.
I thought there would be struggles this year, sure. I thought they would come when we got blown out by Georgetown, or struggling to go .500 in conference. I didn't imagine we'd be going 2-2 to begin the year, and our losses would come against shitty competition. If you're okay with that, then you can get the eff out. Also, if you enjoyed the Frank years, then you're pretty rough ridin' stupid for celebrating when they were over.
I didn't celebrate when the Frank years were over. Frank just had all you guys conned into believing he wanted to coach at K-State for another ten years, just like some people actually believe Bob Huggins when he says that he would have stayed at K-State for a really long time if it weren't for the West Virginia job. Not okay in the least with losing to $hitty teams, but when two seniors repeatedly miss wide open shots, and when guys (including supposedly good FT shooters) go to the line in one loss and miss 15 plus FT's (in one of the losses) it's pretty hard to actually blame the coach for every bit of that (including 2 seniors going 4 for 9 from the stripe).
If Weber wins a lot, do you think he will stick around?
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well, there you have it folks, ol' sonofbruceweber is ok with losing early games as long as it's not frank losing them.
You Frankites just suck at this. Terrible
you realize you are more anti-frank than everyone here put together is pro-frank... you have to realize that right?
Probably so, but then again I won't place all the blame on one party, and I'm not all in when it comes to doing whatever it takes to keeping a guy who IMO was being extremely difficult on purpose. There's a reason why Frank was going off on certain parties on the recruiting trail, and IMO Frank saw the handwriting on the wall from a talent perspective.
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You obviously can't be helped. I'm sorry that you didn't enjoy the Frank years. I'm more sorry that you are having to defend what's going on right now with our bball team. It must be hard. Ts and Ps.
Just a typical Frankite style tap out. Who said I didn't enjoy the Frank years? But you're a complete dumbass if you didn't think there wouldn't be some struggles this year.
I thought there would be struggles this year, sure. I thought they would come when we got blown out by Georgetown, or struggling to go .500 in conference. I didn't imagine we'd be going 2-2 to begin the year, and our losses would come against shitty competition. If you're okay with that, then you can get the eff out. Also, if you enjoyed the Frank years, then you're pretty rough ridin' stupid for celebrating when they were over.
I didn't celebrate when the Frank years were over. Frank just had all you guys conned into believing he wanted to coach at K-State for another ten years, just like some people actually believe Bob Huggins when he says that he would have stayed at K-State for a really long time if it weren't for the West Virginia job. Not okay in the least with losing to $hitty teams, but when two seniors repeatedly miss wide open shots, and when guys (including supposedly good FT shooters) go to the line in one loss and miss 15 plus FT's (in one of the losses) it's pretty hard to actually blame the coach for every bit of that (including 2 seniors going 4 for 9 from the stripe).
If Weber wins a lot, do you think he will stick around?
I'd say I'm 50/50 on that right now. But sadly I don't think we're going to have that problem. But that said, I'm not going to toss it all under the bus after 4 games.
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You obviously can't be helped. I'm sorry that you didn't enjoy the Frank years. I'm more sorry that you are having to defend what's going on right now with our bball team. It must be hard. Ts and Ps.
Just a typical Frankite style tap out. Who said I didn't enjoy the Frank years? But you're a complete dumbass if you didn't think there wouldn't be some struggles this year.
I thought there would be struggles this year, sure. I thought they would come when we got blown out by Georgetown, or struggling to go .500 in conference. I didn't imagine we'd be going 2-2 to begin the year, and our losses would come against shitty competition. If you're okay with that, then you can get the eff out. Also, if you enjoyed the Frank years, then you're pretty rough ridin' stupid for celebrating when they were over.
I didn't celebrate when the Frank years were over. Frank just had all you guys conned into believing he wanted to coach at K-State for another ten years, just like some people actually believe Bob Huggins when he says that he would have stayed at K-State for a really long time if it weren't for the West Virginia job. Not okay in the least with losing to $hitty teams, but when two seniors repeatedly miss wide open shots, and when guys (including supposedly good FT shooters) go to the line in one loss and miss 15 plus FT's (in one of the losses) it's pretty hard to actually blame the coach for every bit of that (including 2 seniors going 4 for 9 from the stripe).
If Weber wins a lot, do you think he will stick around?
I'd say I'm 50/50 on that right now. But sadly I don't think we're going to have that problem. But that said, I'm not going to toss it all under the bus after 4 games.
Your knock on Frank seems to be he was only interested in advancing his career and was using Kstate as a stepping stone. I'm just suggesting that all coaches are that way.
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You can argue till you're blue in the face that Frank's recruiting was going to produce poor results at some point, but when he left there was no tangible evidence that that would have happened. oscar on the other hand, is already reaping the consequences of poor recruiting. You can make all the excuses you want to about his first recruiting class, but it sucked ass. His second recruiting class may be fine, but two of them aren't eligible at all this year, one won't be eligible until semester, and one of them is obviously not a D1 player. Our program had more than enough momentum when he got here to be a tourney team every year, and unless something drastic happens this year, he will already have failed at letting that momentum carry him to reasonable expectations. oscar should be on the clock, something that Frank's performance as a coach never warranted.
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You obviously can't be helped. I'm sorry that you didn't enjoy the Frank years. I'm more sorry that you are having to defend what's going on right now with our bball team. It must be hard. Ts and Ps.
Just a typical Frankite style tap out. Who said I didn't enjoy the Frank years? But you're a complete dumbass if you didn't think there wouldn't be some struggles this year.
I thought there would be struggles this year, sure. I thought they would come when we got blown out by Georgetown, or struggling to go .500 in conference. I didn't imagine we'd be going 2-2 to begin the year, and our losses would come against shitty competition. If you're okay with that, then you can get the eff out. Also, if you enjoyed the Frank years, then you're pretty rough ridin' stupid for celebrating when they were over.
I didn't celebrate when the Frank years were over. Frank just had all you guys conned into believing he wanted to coach at K-State for another ten years, just like some people actually believe Bob Huggins when he says that he would have stayed at K-State for a really long time if it weren't for the West Virginia job. Not okay in the least with losing to $hitty teams, but when two seniors repeatedly miss wide open shots, and when guys (including supposedly good FT shooters) go to the line in one loss and miss 15 plus FT's (in one of the losses) it's pretty hard to actually blame the coach for every bit of that (including 2 seniors going 4 for 9 from the stripe).
If Weber wins a lot, do you think he will stick around?
I'd say I'm 50/50 on that right now. But sadly I don't think we're going to have that problem. But that said, I'm not going to toss it all under the bus after 4 games.
oh my god dax thinks it's only a 50/50 shot that oscar would stay at kstate if he wins enough here to not be fired. some other school is gonna steal him from us dax? :lol:
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I fully expect every KSU coach to be interested in ultimately landing a better job at some point.
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I fully expect every KSU coach to be interested in ultimately landing a better job at some point.
Absolutely. Hoiberg is circulating resumes all over the country and he actually played at ISU. Its the nature of the biz
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You can argue till you're blue in the face that Frank's recruiting was going to produce poor results at some point, but when he left there was no tangible evidence that that would have happened. oscar on the other hand, is already reaping the consequences of poor recruiting. You can make all the excuses you want to about his first recruiting class, but it sucked ass. His second recruiting class may be fine, but two of them aren't eligible at all this year, one won't be eligible until semester, and one of them is obviously not a D1 player. Our program had more than enough momentum when he got here to be a tourney team every year, and unless something drastic happens this year, he will already have failed at letting that momentum carry him to reasonable expectations. oscar should be on the clock, something that Frank's performance as a coach never warranted.
Frank had multiple complete $hit recruiting classes. Here's Frank's Senior class (which we're experiencing this year) Will Spradling, Shane Southwell, Omari Lawrence.
Gipson has played two games this year and today he played all of 8 minutes before fouling out, while the 3 seniors clanked one after another. Hell, both Shane and Omari damn near broke the back board from 3 feet on a couple of occasions.
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Sometimes you can't land a "better" job when you've poisoned the waters all around you, in the office, on the recruiting trail, with only a legion of sycophants to con into believing it was all the AD's fault.
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You obviously can't be helped. I'm sorry that you didn't enjoy the Frank years. I'm more sorry that you are having to defend what's going on right now with our bball team. It must be hard. Ts and Ps.
Just a typical Frankite style tap out. Who said I didn't enjoy the Frank years? But you're a complete dumbass if you didn't think there wouldn't be some struggles this year.
I thought there would be struggles this year, sure. I thought they would come when we got blown out by Georgetown, or struggling to go .500 in conference. I didn't imagine we'd be going 2-2 to begin the year, and our losses would come against shitty competition. If you're okay with that, then you can get the eff out. Also, if you enjoyed the Frank years, then you're pretty rough ridin' stupid for celebrating when they were over.
I didn't celebrate when the Frank years were over. Frank just had all you guys conned into believing he wanted to coach at K-State for another ten years, just like some people actually believe Bob Huggins when he says that he would have stayed at K-State for a really long time if it weren't for the West Virginia job. Not okay in the least with losing to $hitty teams, but when two seniors repeatedly miss wide open shots, and when guys (including supposedly good FT shooters) go to the line in one loss and miss 15 plus FT's (in one of the losses) it's pretty hard to actually blame the coach for every bit of that (including 2 seniors going 4 for 9 from the stripe).
did you not see fosters shot chart today? they all suck right now
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You obviously can't be helped. I'm sorry that you didn't enjoy the Frank years. I'm more sorry that you are having to defend what's going on right now with our bball team. It must be hard. Ts and Ps.
Just a typical Frankite style tap out. Who said I didn't enjoy the Frank years? But you're a complete dumbass if you didn't think there wouldn't be some struggles this year.
I thought there would be struggles this year, sure. I thought they would come when we got blown out by Georgetown, or struggling to go .500 in conference. I didn't imagine we'd be going 2-2 to begin the year, and our losses would come against shitty competition. If you're okay with that, then you can get the eff out. Also, if you enjoyed the Frank years, then you're pretty rough ridin' stupid for celebrating when they were over.
I didn't celebrate when the Frank years were over. Frank just had all you guys conned into believing he wanted to coach at K-State for another ten years, just like some people actually believe Bob Huggins when he says that he would have stayed at K-State for a really long time if it weren't for the West Virginia job. Not okay in the least with losing to $hitty teams, but when two seniors repeatedly miss wide open shots, and when guys (including supposedly good FT shooters) go to the line in one loss and miss 15 plus FT's (in one of the losses) it's pretty hard to actually blame the coach for every bit of that (including 2 seniors going 4 for 9 from the stripe).
did you not see fosters shot chart today? they all suck right now
Foster is pretty much the least of our concerns, if you're Marcus Foster and you're watching the complete $hit show two seniors are putting out there you keep firing. It's gotta suck for guys like Foster, and some of the others knowing that the two seniors are doing NOTHING to take away the defensive pressure.
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you can swear on this blog dax, it's not the phog where you have to put symbols in bad words.
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You obviously can't be helped. I'm sorry that you didn't enjoy the Frank years. I'm more sorry that you are having to defend what's going on right now with our bball team. It must be hard. Ts and Ps.
Just a typical Frankite style tap out. Who said I didn't enjoy the Frank years? But you're a complete dumbass if you didn't think there wouldn't be some struggles this year.
I thought there would be struggles this year, sure. I thought they would come when we got blown out by Georgetown, or struggling to go .500 in conference. I didn't imagine we'd be going 2-2 to begin the year, and our losses would come against shitty competition. If you're okay with that, then you can get the eff out. Also, if you enjoyed the Frank years, then you're pretty rough ridin' stupid for celebrating when they were over.
I didn't celebrate when the Frank years were over. Frank just had all you guys conned into believing he wanted to coach at K-State for another ten years, just like some people actually believe Bob Huggins when he says that he would have stayed at K-State for a really long time if it weren't for the West Virginia job. Not okay in the least with losing to $hitty teams, but when two seniors repeatedly miss wide open shots, and when guys (including supposedly good FT shooters) go to the line in one loss and miss 15 plus FT's (in one of the losses) it's pretty hard to actually blame the coach for every bit of that (including 2 seniors going 4 for 9 from the stripe).
did you not see fosters shot chart today? they all suck right now
Foster is pretty much the least of our concerns, if you're Marcus Foster and you're watching the complete $hit show two seniors are putting out there you keep firing. It's gotta suck for guys like Foster, and some of the others knowing that the two seniors are doing NOTHING to take away the defensive pressure.
im pretty sure you could make the same case for will if you wanted. "he marcus is going to keep clanking threes today and im a senior so i might as well try to make a few even tho i really suck at them"
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holy crap, two threads in a row
This isn't on oscar. Frank left with a poor, unbalanced roster. (Page 1 2) DO_WORK_SON 11/21
Time to man up and be real fans Ed NealyFanClub 11/21
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You obviously can't be helped. I'm sorry that you didn't enjoy the Frank years. I'm more sorry that you are having to defend what's going on right now with our bball team. It must be hard. Ts and Ps.
Just a typical Frankite style tap out. Who said I didn't enjoy the Frank years? But you're a complete dumbass if you didn't think there wouldn't be some struggles this year.
I thought there would be struggles this year, sure. I thought they would come when we got blown out by Georgetown, or struggling to go .500 in conference. I didn't imagine we'd be going 2-2 to begin the year, and our losses would come against shitty competition. If you're okay with that, then you can get the eff out. Also, if you enjoyed the Frank years, then you're pretty rough ridin' stupid for celebrating when they were over.
I didn't celebrate when the Frank years were over. Frank just had all you guys conned into believing he wanted to coach at K-State for another ten years, just like some people actually believe Bob Huggins when he says that he would have stayed at K-State for a really long time if it weren't for the West Virginia job. Not okay in the least with losing to $hitty teams, but when two seniors repeatedly miss wide open shots, and when guys (including supposedly good FT shooters) go to the line in one loss and miss 15 plus FT's (in one of the losses) it's pretty hard to actually blame the coach for every bit of that (including 2 seniors going 4 for 9 from the stripe).
did you not see fosters shot chart today? they all suck right now
Foster is pretty much the least of our concerns, if you're Marcus Foster and you're watching the complete $hit show two seniors are putting out there you keep firing. It's gotta suck for guys like Foster, and some of the others knowing that the two seniors are doing NOTHING to take away the defensive pressure.
im pretty sure you could make the same case for will if you wanted. "he marcus is going to keep clanking threes today and im a senior so i might as well try to make a few even tho i really suck at them"
There's a 13 % point difference between the 2 from behind the arc, and one is a true freshman and one is a senior.
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holy crap, two threads in a row
This isn't on oscar. Frank left with a poor, unbalanced roster. (Page 1 2) DO_WORK_SON 11/21
Time to man up and be real fans Ed NealyFanClub 11/21
There has got be some gold in the 2 pages of roster dissection
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:facepalm: god dammit im saying you can cast blame either way. bottom line is we rough ridin' suck
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:facepalm: god dammit im saying you can cast blame either way. bottom line is we rough ridin' suck
I'm not going to blame true freshman in light of the utter lack of offensive production from upper classman.
Plus, you appear to have completely forgotten that what is supposedly our "best" big man sat the first two games, and fouled out in 8 minutes today.
So yeah, I'm looking straight at the Jr/Sr classes and pointing the finger.
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:facepalm: god dammit im saying you can cast blame either way. bottom line is we rough ridin' suck
I'm not going to blame true freshman in light of the utter lack of offensive production from upper classman.
Plus, you appear to have completely forgotten that what is supposedly our "best" big man sat the first two games, and fouled out in 8 minutes today.
So yeah, I'm looking straight at the Jr/Sr classes and pointing the finger.
Probably why you go out and get a guy taller than 6'4"
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Has anyone else just accepted their fate and moved on? I really don't even care whose fault it is at this point. It is what it is. Meh.
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:facepalm: god dammit im saying you can cast blame either way. bottom line is we rough ridin' suck
I'm not going to blame true freshman in light of the utter lack of offensive production from upper classman.
Plus, you appear to have completely forgotten that what is supposedly our "best" big man sat the first two games, and fouled out in 8 minutes today.
So yeah, I'm looking straight at the Jr/Sr classes and pointing the finger.
Im not saying the jr/sr class doesnt deserve the blame but so does going 1-8 and 5-24 as well when you are our best player
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I am all for blaming Frank entirely for this year and giving all the credit for oscar for last year. I think those are consistent thought patterns. It wasn’t oscar’s fault he was given a 2nd Team All Big 12 point guard and a 1st Team All Big 12 Wing, just like it’s not his fault he has Nino and Omari and Sprads. At the end of the day, it’s not oscar’s fault.
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Has anyone else just accepted their fate and moved on? I really don't even care whose fault it is at this point. It is what it is. Meh.
i think most people are like this.
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Did gip have extreme foul control issues his first two yrs, or are they just appearing this yr?
Also, it needs to be noted that being a sr doesn't mean you should out shoot frosh. It means that you should have found the role you are able to succeed in and be filling that role. Shane and sprads roles have never been primary creators. They have both always been opportunistic players. Shane did great last yr, but it was because he wasn't the focus and angel caused holes in the d that shane fit well into. Ppl want will to be a shooting guard. He isn't skilled enough. Will should be this yrs Energy player. He isn't a pg and he isn't a 2. None of this should be a surprise.
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Did gip have extreme foul control issues his first two yrs, or are they just appearing this yr?
Also, it needs to be noted that being a sr doesn't mean you should out shoot frosh. It means that you should have found the role you are able to succeed in and be filling that role. Shane and sprads roles have never been primary creators. They have both always been opportunistic players. Shane did great last yr, but it was because he wasn't the focus and angel caused holes in the d that shane fit well into. Ppl want will to be a shooting guard. He isn't skilled enough. Will should be this yrs Energy player. He isn't a pg and he isn't a 2. None of this should be a surprise.
The vast majority of shots both Shane and Will have taken this year have had very little to do with creating. Shane is maybe trying to take it to the hoop a little more, but the majority of the shots they're taking look almost exactly like the majority of shots they took last year.
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i think it's entirely possible and as a result they are playing too tight and not free.
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Not just seniors. He yells so much at practice and in games that none of his players ever play free. We saw multiple players crying on the sidelines during games during the course of his tenure at Illinois. At Illinois they typically would play well until the 20th or so of December and by that time they were so tired of him they started to block him out. His coaching style is antiquated and he does not relate to today's youth at all. It's going to get worse for you guys...significantly...before it gets better.
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Link? Also, the part I mentioned about finding the appropriate role....do you really think shane should be a big?
Also, also, my comment basically also says will shouldn't be shooting.
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Link? Also, the part I mentioned about finding the appropriate role....do you really think shane should be a big?
I would prefer he be a big exactly like he was last year.
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Why?
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Why?
Matching up with the other teams 4 is his best matchup. Really, it's the only time he'll probably have a favorable matchup.
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oscar Weber's last 5 games: Losses to LaSalle, Northern Colorado, and Charlotte. Two wins vs ORU and LBSU.
What a rough ridin' joke.
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I don't get this board, what a bunch of pussies.
You all want act like you're so elite in terms of knowing the game and yet many of you act shocked and horrified that a team with a senior class of Will Spradling, Omari Lawrence and Shane Southwell, and with its best (sadly) big man sitting for the first two game and playing 8 minutes today was going to be good.
Ya know, you can blame Weber for ArT all day long, but it's bullshit. ArT basically took all the love you heaped upon him and said f_ck you guys, I'm outta here.
Oh, but Weber's first recruiting class sucked. But then when it's brought up that Frank had multiple $hitty recruiting classes on top of the Franking's (which subsequently gave us Omari Lawrence, Will Spradling and Shane Southwell) you immediately pop in with, "well, ya know, at a school like K-State you're going to have some bad recruiting classes." I'm only waiting on somebody to bring up Robert "Knee Problems, 3.1 ppg, and genuine pain in the ass" Upshaw aka Lessor Wally Judge aka TNF (The Next Franking).
Plenty to stay tuned for, despite it being bumpy.
If Weber hasn't reversed the trend in solid fashion as this season progresses into next year, than fire his ass.
Then you guys can browse on over to NextCoachJizz.com and fap it all day long over the next coach who isn't coming to K-State.
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Dax, you're a treat.
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It's John Currie and Kirk Shultz's fault. Jesus Christ.
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I don't get this board, what a bunch of pussies.
You all want act like you're so elite in terms of knowing the game and yet many of you act shocked and horrified that a team with a senior class of Will Spradling, Omari Lawrence and Shane Southwell, and with its best (sadly) big man sitting for the first two game and playing 8 minutes today was going to be good.
Ya know, you can blame Weber for ArT all day long, but it's bullshit. ArT basically took all the love you heaped upon him and said f_ck you guys, I'm outta here.
Oh, but Weber's first recruiting class sucked. But then when it's brought up that Frank had multiple $hitty recruiting classes on top of the Franking's (which subsequently gave us Omari Lawrence, Will Spradling and Shane Southwell) you immediately pop in with, "well, ya know, at a school like K-State you're going to have some bad recruiting classes." I'm only waiting on somebody to bring up Robert "Knee Problems, 3.1 ppg, and genuine pain in the ass" Upshaw aka Lessor Wally Judge aka TNF (The Next Franking).
Plenty to stay tuned for, despite it being bumpy.
If Weber hasn't reversed the trend in solid fashion as this season progresses into next year, than fire his ass.
Then you guys can browse on over to NextCoachJizz.com and fap it all day long over the next coach who isn't coming to K-State.
:D
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I don't get this board, what a bunch of pussies.
You all want act like you're so elite in terms of knowing the game and yet many of you act shocked and horrified that a team with a senior class of Will Spradling, Omari Lawrence and Shane Southwell, and with its best (sadly) big man sitting for the first two game and playing 8 minutes today was going to be good.
Ya know, you can blame Weber for ArT all day long, but it's bullshit. ArT basically took all the love you heaped upon him and said f_ck you guys, I'm outta here.
Oh, but Weber's first recruiting class sucked. But then when it's brought up that Frank had multiple $hitty recruiting classes on top of the Franking's (which subsequently gave us Omari Lawrence, Will Spradling and Shane Southwell) you immediately pop in with, "well, ya know, at a school like K-State you're going to have some bad recruiting classes." I'm only waiting on somebody to bring up Robert "Knee Problems, 3.1 ppg, and genuine pain in the ass" Upshaw aka Lessor Wally Judge aka TNF (The Next Franking).
Plenty to stay tuned for, despite it being bumpy.
If Weber hasn't reversed the trend in solid fashion as this season progresses into next year, than fire his ass.
Then you guys can browse on over to NextCoachJizz.com and fap it all day long over the next coach who isn't coming to K-State.
:D
then
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ftr we all can agree that the product on the floor is not very good right now yes? I get the blame game I really do just want to make sure we are all on the same page(well minus poonhound69 obv)
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confirmed. shitty
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ftr we all can agree that the product on the floor is not very good right now yes?
Pretty sure that the product is all anyone cares about. Not keeping your best player and the only guy taller than 6'-8" on your team both dramatically hurt the product. WGAF about anything beyond that? I could care less what Angel thought about me, this site, or KSU in general. I just want him on the floor for us. Losing him immediately upon hiring oscar would be understandable. However, losing him a yr later after winning the conf is insane.
Insane.
Insane. Manage your program, oscar.
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That's the place to start. And can we agree that when the school had a coaching opening, it could have done a lot better than oscar rough ridin' Weber (and that has nothing to do with Frank).
ftr we all can agree that the product on the floor is not very good right now yes? I get the blame game I really do just want to make sure we are all on the same page(well minus poonhound69 obv)
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what a bunch of dumb-asses if you ask me
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:facepalm: god dammit im saying you can cast blame either way. bottom line is we rough ridin' suck
why are you always trying to not blame people? what a weird way to go through life as a cat fan.
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:facepalm: god dammit im saying you can cast blame either way. bottom line is we rough ridin' suck
why are you always trying to not blame people? what a weird way to go through life as a cat fan.
exact opposite SD im blaming every rough ridin' body, even started my own thread over on gpc....
Having been a huge K-State basketball fan my entire life, I have always believed and been optimistic, even during some pretty lean years. My point is that when the team is struggling, the need for fan support in the arena is even more important. When our athletes that wear our team colors with pride come out of the tunnel, the last thing we need to do is show them a lack of confidence and support, because there are going to be some games when it gets close, when they need a boost and when our crowd can and does make a difference.
This is one poor shooting team, that is small in size and has a rough schedule ahead. No one is denying that, infact, Coach Weber had been saying that all summer.
It's unfortunate that many fans have become so caught up with immediate gratification, and have seemed to have forgotten that we just won our first conference title since 1977.
A lot of people want to blame Frank for leaving the cupboard bare and oscar for not bringing in some great players right away, but whose fault is it that you, the fairweather fan, have turned your back on purple pride?
It's not John Currie's fault, it's not Tom Asbury or Dana Altman or Jim Wooldridge's fault either, nope, just you.
The freshman on this team have promise, the upper classmen are disappointing. (but are playing just like expected so far, unfortunately) Gipson was supposed to be able to possibly be a stop-gap for us this year and then got injured and is not 100%. Sometimes the moons just don't line up.
I have season tickets, had them now for 25 years. I am not going to miss any games. I will be cheering for the Cats just like always. I will have moments of happiness, surprise, disappointment and puzzlement. I choose this team to support. If I wanted to have a guaranteed winner, and rarely be disappointed as a basketball fan, I would cheer for the other guys down the road. I don't care to ever do that. If you are too caught up in immediate gratification to ride out this up and down year with pride, then scoot your way further down the Kaw, because we don't really need your types here.
How great would it be if this team, which is not supposed to be very good, got better and surprised some people...That's what makes cheering for college athletics fun. Maybe they will or maybe they won't, either way, I am all in. Go Cats.
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well that didn't make any sense at all
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lol
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yeah i know, give me a break man its been a tough day. and in non gE.com speak im serious about blaming everyone. freshman sucked today, seniors, coaches, announcers, hell even charlotte sucked.
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:facepalm: god dammit im saying you can cast blame either way. bottom line is we rough ridin' suck
why are you always trying to not blame people? what a weird way to go through life as a cat fan.
exact opposite SD im blaming every rough ridin' body, even started my own thread over on gpc....
Having been a huge K-State basketball fan my entire life, I have always believed and been optimistic, even during some pretty lean years. My point is that when the team is struggling, the need for fan support in the arena is even more important. When our athletes that wear our team colors with pride come out of the tunnel, the last thing we need to do is show them a lack of confidence and support, because there are going to be some games when it gets close, when they need a boost and when our crowd can and does make a difference.
This is one poor shooting team, that is small in size and has a rough schedule ahead. No one is denying that, infact, Coach Weber had been saying that all summer.
It's unfortunate that many fans have become so caught up with immediate gratification, and have seemed to have forgotten that we just won our first conference title since 1977.
A lot of people want to blame Frank for leaving the cupboard bare and oscar for not bringing in some great players right away, but whose fault is it that you, the fairweather fan, have turned your back on purple pride?
It's not John Currie's fault, it's not Tom Asbury or Dana Altman or Jim Wooldridge's fault either, nope, just you.
The freshman on this team have promise, the upper classmen are disappointing. (but are playing just like expected so far, unfortunately) Gipson was supposed to be able to possibly be a stop-gap for us this year and then got injured and is not 100%. Sometimes the moons just don't line up.
I have season tickets, had them now for 25 years. I am not going to miss any games. I will be cheering for the Cats just like always. I will have moments of happiness, surprise, disappointment and puzzlement. I choose this team to support. If I wanted to have a guaranteed winner, and rarely be disappointed as a basketball fan, I would cheer for the other guys down the road. I don't care to ever do that. If you are too caught up in immediate gratification to ride out this up and down year with pride, then scoot your way further down the Kaw, because we don't really need your types here.
How great would it be if this team, which is not supposed to be very good, got better and surprised some people...That's what makes cheering for college athletics fun. Maybe they will or maybe they won't, either way, I am all in. Go Cats.
I've been to most 2 games this year and the support sucks, its embarrassing. It's quite sad the state of the student fan base this time around.
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kslim, I can't say I disagree with you really, but you shouldn't have posted that on gE.
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kslim, I can't say I disagree with you really, but you shouldn't have posted that on gE.
why not?
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kslim, I can't say I disagree with you really, but you shouldn't have posted that on gE.
why not?
Rational thinking and such...
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kslim, I can't say I disagree with you really, but you shouldn't have posted that on gE.
why not?
Rational thinking and such...
jesus rough ridin' christ sunny that isnt my post....good grief. im banned as eff over there
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kslim, I can't say I disagree with you really, but you shouldn't have posted that on gE.
why not?
Rational thinking and such...
jesus rough ridin' christ sunny that isnt my post....good grief. im banned as eff over there
:facepalm: (me)
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To be fair, I just skimmed it..
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kslim, I can't say I disagree with you really, but you shouldn't have posted that on gE.
why not?
Rational thinking and such...
jesus rough ridin' christ sunny that isnt my post....good grief. im banned as eff over there
:facepalm: (me)
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I am not leaving work early, driving 4hrs round trip, and getting home late as crap on a weeknight so that I can be super frustrated. That is why tv exists.
Ppl confuse being a fan with throwing money away and being a dumbass who is being force fed crap and i just don't get it.
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kslim, I can't say I disagree with you really, but you shouldn't have posted that on gE.
why not?
Rational thinking and such...
Why are you here?
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kslim, I can't say I disagree with you really, but you shouldn't have posted that on gE.
why not?
Rational thinking and such...
Why are you here?
I DNR the post thoroughly.
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Part of me likes it because I get free tickets to every game and I pretty much get to pick anywhere in the fOOD to sit.
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Part of me likes it because I get free tickets to every game and I pretty much get to pick anywhere in the fOOD to sit.
Sad.
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it's gonna be a fun ride to the bottom boys. Hold tight
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:facepalm: god dammit im saying you can cast blame either way. bottom line is we rough ridin' suck
why are you always trying to not blame people? what a weird way to go through life as a cat fan.
exact opposite SD im blaming every rough ridin' body, even started my own thread over on gpc....
Having been a huge K-State basketball fan my entire life, I have always believed and been optimistic, even during some pretty lean years. My point is that when the team is struggling, the need for fan support in the arena is even more important. When our athletes that wear our team colors with pride come out of the tunnel, the last thing we need to do is show them a lack of confidence and support, because there are going to be some games when it gets close, when they need a boost and when our crowd can and does make a difference.
This is one poor shooting team, that is small in size and has a rough schedule ahead. No one is denying that, infact, Coach Weber had been saying that all summer.
It's unfortunate that many fans have become so caught up with immediate gratification, and have seemed to have forgotten that we just won our first conference title since 1977.
A lot of people want to blame Frank for leaving the cupboard bare and oscar for not bringing in some great players right away, but whose fault is it that you, the fairweather fan, have turned your back on purple pride?
It's not John Currie's fault, it's not Tom Asbury or Dana Altman or Jim Wooldridge's fault either, nope, just you.
The freshman on this team have promise, the upper classmen are disappointing. (but are playing just like expected so far, unfortunately) Gipson was supposed to be able to possibly be a stop-gap for us this year and then got injured and is not 100%. Sometimes the moons just don't line up.
I have season tickets, had them now for 25 years. I am not going to miss any games. I will be cheering for the Cats just like always. I will have moments of happiness, surprise, disappointment and puzzlement. I choose this team to support. If I wanted to have a guaranteed winner, and rarely be disappointed as a basketball fan, I would cheer for the other guys down the road. I don't care to ever do that. If you are too caught up in immediate gratification to ride out this up and down year with pride, then scoot your way further down the Kaw, because we don't really need your types here.
How great would it be if this team, which is not supposed to be very good, got better and surprised some people...That's what makes cheering for college athletics fun. Maybe they will or maybe they won't, either way, I am all in. Go Cats.
Why do so many people say "freshman" instead of "freshmen"? Just askin'...No evil intent.
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Because people are stupid. But hey, we're all dumb sometimes! :D
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I love how to Dax none of the upperclassmen's shortcomings are oscar's fault and on Frank's recruiting failures, I mean it's not like he was the one who's coached them for the past 2 years. :blah: