Get Ready for 10 more years of oscar

[yoman]

This is what we are up against:

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=173&f=2671&t=12351389&p=1

[Nick Florences Beard]

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=173&f=2671&t=12351389&p=1

 

[Brock Landers]

This is what we are up against:

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=173&f=2671&t=12351389&p=1

I am very happy with Weber. Fans keep saying he has to prove himself but I don't know if he can ever do that to most of them. I think his recruiting has been good enough to put together a very good team next year.


Then there was the person who guessed that "coach C, with 0 wins, 0 seasons as a head coach and 0 seasons as an assistant coach" was Cotton Fitzsimmons.  I almost became physically ill and couldn't read anymore.

[Mr Bread]

Things are different today.  This is very much a "what have you done for me lately" world, with a plethora of "what have you done for me lately" fans.  Let's stay true to the Hartman -Winter years.  Let's don't wallow in the mire with some of the Illinois fans and others whose expectations exceed reality.  Most coaches win and then they lose ... and sometimes, they begin to win again.  All it takes is a belief that that will happen.

Coach C is Doug Gottlieb, who would have been the riskiest hire in the history of NCAA basketball.  Our program is too good to take that kind of risk, although I see it happening elsewhere.

 

[#LIFE]

If you want to read some real  go through that guy's posts.  I swear him and learnin are Weber's kids, only explanation.

[sunny_cat]

Things are different today.  This is very much a "what have you done for me lately" world, with a plethora of "what have you done for me lately" fans.  Let's stay true to the Hartman -Winter years.  Let's don't wallow in the mire with some of the Illinois fans and others whose expectations exceed reality.  Most coaches win and then they lose ... and sometimes, they begin to win again.  All it takes is a belief that that will happen.

Coach C is Doug Gottlieb, who would have been the riskiest hire in the history of NCAA basketball.  Our program is too good to take that kind of risk, although I see it happening elsewhere.

 

 

[Ghost of Stan Parrish]

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=173&f=2671&t=12351389&p=1

Dude needs some history lessons.  KSU students protested Tex Winter after his seond season (in 1955!) with signs saying "Spring Is Here/Winter Must Go."  Frank was a very unpopular hire, and people still doubted him after his first season and ascribed any success he had to Beasley.

I do buy the theory that Frank is popular because he was a "cult hero" to the students.

[OK_Cat]

gopo had a thread that was "this isn't on oscar, it's on frank"   

[sunny_cat]

gopo had a thread that was "this isn't on oscar, it's on frank"

omg i dont even

[Ghost of Stan Parrish]

gopo had a thread that was "this isn't on oscar, it's on frank"

Stupid.  oscar is the coach.

[kso_FAN]

gopo had a thread that was "this isn't on oscar, it's on frank"

Stupid.  oscar is the coach.

Yeah, that's really, really dumb. Then you have to give most of the credit for success last year to Frank which no gPer would do.

[0.42]

gopo had a thread that was "this isn't on oscar, it's on frank"

Stupid.  oscar is the coach.

Yeah, that's really, really dumb. Then you have to give most of the credit for success last year to Frank which no gPer would do.

oh boy. dax is going to get really snarky on you now.

[michigancat]

fake

[ksupamplemousse]

gopo had a thread that was "this isn't on oscar, it's on frank"

Stupid.  oscar is the coach.

Yeah, that's really, really dumb. Then you have to give most of the credit for success last year to Frank which no gPer would do.

Theoretically the further we get from Frank, the less credit/blame he should get. So, Frank was more responsible for last year's championship than this year's abortion. It's pretty simple, but doesn't fit the narrative over there.

[sonofdaxjones]

Frank does get some credit for last year, obvs with McGruder and ArT, and obviously with Tay and Shane playing free and easy because of ArT and McGruder and the fact that Weber didn't go insane on them for every little thing, unlike Frank.   

But he also deserves a little blame for this year because there's no one in the upper class ranks that's even remotely capable of stepping up in any kind of leadership role, at least not to date.   I personally think ArT made a huge mistake and will regret leaving K-State.   He would be playing the most minutes on the team this year easily. 

If this $hitshow continues, I'm gonna want oscar fired as quickly as possible.  But I'm not going to melt down in the 4th game of this season.   But these upper classman, I mean come on.   

[ksupamplemousse]

Frank does get some credit for last year, obvs with McGruder and ArT, and obviously with Tay and Shane playing free and easy because of ArT and McGruder and the fact that Weber didn't go insane on them for every little thing, unlike Frank.   

But he also deserves a little blame for this year because there's no one in the upper class ranks that's even remotely capable of stepping up in any kind of leadership role, at least not to date.   I personally think ArT made a huge mistake and will regret leaving K-State.   He would be playing the most minutes on the team this year easily. 

If this $hitshow continues, I'm gonna want oscar fired as quickly as possible.  But I'm not going to melt down in the 4th game of this season.   But these upper classman, I mean come on.   

The upper classman were role players, that happened to function very well (or less shitty in the case of Will) with Frank's star point guard. Our new coach couldn't figure out how to retain his best player, who was the facilitator for the entire team, and you think that the explanation is that the upper classman must be terrible at basketball now. You are one dumb mother rough rider.

[sonofdaxjones]

Frank does get some credit for last year, obvs with McGruder and ArT, and obviously with Tay and Shane playing free and easy because of ArT and McGruder and the fact that Weber didn't go insane on them for every little thing, unlike Frank.   

But he also deserves a little blame for this year because there's no one in the upper class ranks that's even remotely capable of stepping up in any kind of leadership role, at least not to date.   I personally think ArT made a huge mistake and will regret leaving K-State.   He would be playing the most minutes on the team this year easily. 

If this $hitshow continues, I'm gonna want oscar fired as quickly as possible.  But I'm not going to melt down in the 4th game of this season.   But these upper classman, I mean come on.   

The upper classman were role players, that happened to function very well (or less shitty in the case of Will) with Frank's star point guard. Our new coach couldn't figure out how to retain his best player, who was the facilitator for the entire team, and you think that the explanation is that the upper classman must be terrible at basketball now. You are one dumb mother rough rider.

Where did I say that they were terrible?  But when a supposed decent shooter gets one wide open look after another and he can't knock down $hit, that hurts. 

Plus, you don't know jack crap about why ArT left, you don't know a f_cking thing.   There were rumors from nearly Day One of ArT arriving on campus that he was home sick that he was thinking about transferring.   I know you're just playing the role of a dumbass butthurt Frankite, but ya know, in the real world once some people make up their mind to do something, no talking or action in the world is going to convince them to change their mind. 

[michigancat]

do you guys think oscar is maybe being to hard on his seniors this year?

[ksupamplemousse]

Frank does get some credit for last year, obvs with McGruder and ArT, and obviously with Tay and Shane playing free and easy because of ArT and McGruder and the fact that Weber didn't go insane on them for every little thing, unlike Frank.   

But he also deserves a little blame for this year because there's no one in the upper class ranks that's even remotely capable of stepping up in any kind of leadership role, at least not to date.   I personally think ArT made a huge mistake and will regret leaving K-State.   He would be playing the most minutes on the team this year easily. 

If this $hitshow continues, I'm gonna want oscar fired as quickly as possible.  But I'm not going to melt down in the 4th game of this season.   But these upper classman, I mean come on.   

The upper classman were role players, that happened to function very well (or less shitty in the case of Will) with Frank's star point guard. Our new coach couldn't figure out how to retain his best player, who was the facilitator for the entire team, and you think that the explanation is that the upper classman must be terrible at basketball now. You are one dumb mother rough rider.

Where did I say that they were terrible?  

Plus, you don't know jack crap about why ArT left, you don't know a f_cking thing.   There were rumors from nearly Day One of ArT arriving on campus that he was home sick that he was thinking about transferring.   I know you're just playing the role of a dumbass butthurt Frankite, but ya know, in the real world once some people make up their mind to do something, no talking or action in the world is going to convince them to change their mind.

I think you know that's pretty disingenuous, you've been clear that you think Frank's players are why we're losing. Since our team is terrible, then it stands to reason that you think Frank's players are terrible. Also, I didn't make any attempt to say why art left us for stupid old Miami, but it happened on oscar's watch...not Frank's. It's his responsibility. He may not have been able to do anything to keep him, but you better rough ridin' figure out a comparable replacement. We don't have one right now. That is oscar's fault.

[Dr Rick Daris]

do you guys think oscar is maybe being to hard on his seniors this year?

i think it's entirely possible and as a result they are playing too tight and not free.

[catzacker]

Something we can’t lose sight of is that Frank went to the NIT in his second year.  If oscar matches that, then he’s met expectations because our program was in the exact same spot (both in recent success, fan expectation and involvement) when Frank took over as when oscar took over.

[sonofdaxjones]

Frank does get some credit for last year, obvs with McGruder and ArT, and obviously with Tay and Shane playing free and easy because of ArT and McGruder and the fact that Weber didn't go insane on them for every little thing, unlike Frank.   

But he also deserves a little blame for this year because there's no one in the upper class ranks that's even remotely capable of stepping up in any kind of leadership role, at least not to date.   I personally think ArT made a huge mistake and will regret leaving K-State.   He would be playing the most minutes on the team this year easily. 

If this $hitshow continues, I'm gonna want oscar fired as quickly as possible.  But I'm not going to melt down in the 4th game of this season.   But these upper classman, I mean come on.   

The upper classman were role players, that happened to function very well (or less shitty in the case of Will) with Frank's star point guard. Our new coach couldn't figure out how to retain his best player, who was the facilitator for the entire team, and you think that the explanation is that the upper classman must be terrible at basketball now. You are one dumb mother rough rider.

Where did I say that they were terrible?  

Plus, you don't know jack crap about why ArT left, you don't know a f_cking thing.   There were rumors from nearly Day One of ArT arriving on campus that he was home sick that he was thinking about transferring.   I know you're just playing the role of a dumbass butthurt Frankite, but ya know, in the real world once some people make up their mind to do something, no talking or action in the world is going to convince them to change their mind.

I think you know that's pretty disingenuous, you've been clear that you think Frank's players are why we're losing. Since our team is terrible, then it stands to reason that you think Frank's players are terrible. Also, I didn't make any attempt to say why art left us for stupid old Miami, but it happened on oscar's watch...not Frank's. It's his responsibility. He may not have been able to do anything to keep him, but you better rough ridin' figure out a comparable replacement. We don't have one right now. That is oscar's fault.

When you've got two guys who are getting one wide open look after another in Shane and Spradling and they don't hit $hit then who else can you blame?   Don't give me this role player crap.   Spradling's role wasn't to play point guard, but it was to be a guy who could knock down open trey's.    The vast majority of looks that Southwell is getting this year are almost exactly the same looks he was knocking down with consistency last year.   

ArT decided to officially announce his transfer when, and Spring NLI signing day was when?

   

[ksupamplemousse]

You obviously can't be helped. I'm sorry that you didn't enjoy the Frank years. I'm more sorry that you are having to defend what's going on right now with our bball team. It must be hard. Ts and Ps.

[sonofdaxjones]

You obviously can't be helped. I'm sorry that you didn't enjoy the Frank years. I'm more sorry that you are having to defend what's going on right now with our bball team. It must be hard. Ts and Ps.

Just a typical Frankite style tap out.  Who said I didn't enjoy the Frank years?   But you're a complete dumbass if you didn't think there wouldn't be some struggles this year. 

[Stevesie60]

90% of players have to be molded into leaders. Shane and Will would fit this category. oscar failed to make them leaders, and it's showing. If you want to blame it on Frank for not developing them into leaders when they were sophomores, then you're trolling worse (better?) than kim carnes.