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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Football => Topic started by: sonofdaxjones on October 06, 2013, 07:33:37 AM
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than just about anything.
The talk about Hubert by some on here and elsewhere is reaching Tuck like absurdity.
Sure the kid plays hard, sure he runs hard, but he's just not that good. He's really not that fast, and while he can be tough to bring down, he isn't that tough to bring down. He's kind of shifty, but not that shifty, he's not a break away threat at any time, and he's likely never going to house anything from any distance unless the defense is just completely fooled or the blocking at the point of attack and on the next level is outstanding. No decent defense fears Hubert at all.
Having your quarterback run the ball 20 more times than your starting tailback is not good. You can slobber all over Sams all you want, but he's not good enough to beat any decent defense all by himself with his legs. Our over reliance on the QB running game hurt K-State down the stretch last year, and it continues to hurt in the midst of all the other offensive cluster effs this year.
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IOW. WRSOAT. :cry:
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I have to wonder if the running backs behind him are any good, or if Snyder is putting too much stock in Hubert's tenacity and experience. We've only seen a small amount of Rose and Robinson, and given that last year Pease was at least able to take snaps away from Hubert outside of late game blowouts, I'd think the others would see some time if they were worth a crap.
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LaDanian Tomlinson's high school rushing record, tho
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LaDanian Tomlinson's high school rushing record, tho
high school, tho
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Agreed not only do we need a stud but we need a bruiser that's a stud.
Gronk in the backfield? Showed some decent speed yesterday
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His name is Jarvis Leverett. His status is stud RS-Freshman.
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1st Team All Big 12 Running Back John Hubert
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1st Team All Big 12 Running Back John Hubert
Doesn't get any clearer than that. :thumbs:
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Watching Hyde at tOSU and knowing we wont ever have a RB like that....
:bawl: :bawl: :bawl: :bawl:
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1st Team All Big 12 Running Back John Hubert
Well, in reality, Hubert was running behind the real First Team All Big 12 Running Back named Colin Klein. Hubert was the change of pace.
Hubert is just a bit too small to carry the load of the first team guy. But if we had a bigger guy with talent, Hubert would be killer as the change of pace.
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Hubert is better and or more productive than most RBs that Snyder, or Prince, has had the last 20 years. The list of those clearly better/more productive is short
Darren Sproles
Daniel Thomas
James Johnson
I'd listen to an argument for Frank Murphy but he didn't produce numbers. Snyder has had good running QBs that overshadowed or more accurately negated the need for a feature back. This is why I think the 2003 team was unquestionably the best we've had.
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Hubert is better and or more productive than most RBs that Snyder, or Prince, has had the last 20 years. The list of those clearly better/more productive is short
Darren Sproles
Daniel Thomas
James Johnson
I'd listen to an argument for Frank Murphy but he didn't produce numbers. Snyder has had good running QBs that overshadowed or more accurately negated the need for a feature back. This is why I think the 2003 team was unquestionably the best we've had.
Josh Scobey
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I'd maybe throw Scobey up there too, MIR, but I agree with your point. And Big Sam, I agree with what you're saying too. Hubert has a hard time creating on his own as an every down back, but he's very, very productive when there's another threat to run in the backfield, i.e. Klein/Sams.
But Dax is way off base. Hubert is certainly a capable back, as exhibited by his first team all big 12 selection last year. To say otherwise is silly.
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crap, how could I have forgotten about Josh Scobey?
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crap, how could I have forgotten about Josh Scobey?
We once had a team with Josh Scobey, Rock Cartwright, AND Darren Sproles.
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I'd put Scobey, Cartwright and JJ Smith all above Hubes.
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Also Joe Hall and Thomas Clayton.
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Leon Patton, bubba brown
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Hubert is the fastest back in the Big 12 from sideline to sideline.
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Sorry, there's just been to many times that a more explosive back would have had much bigger gains that what Hubes managed to do, and either the coaching staff has gone full on dementia, or they don't believe Hubes is a workhorse back.
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I'd put Joe Hall and Hubes on the same level.
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Hubes is running kind of weird this year. Tentative. Maybe its because our line is getting blasted into his lap. :dunno:
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I've made the point before that I think a major reason Hubert has won the job is the heavy use of zone read and stretch read in the current manifestation of Snyder's offense. But he's also decent (especially for his size) of running power/zone stuff, mainly because he's not prone to bounce his runs, but stays vertical. I'm not sure that a lot of those past backs would've been very good with zone read stuff either.
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Hubes also doesn't turn over the ball very much
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Hubes also doesn't turn over the ball very much
Also very important. And he blocks well, especially for his size. I think the fact that he knows and can run the entire offense and that he doesn't fumble are big reasons why he won the job and nobody has even come close to beating him out. I don't doubt that there are guys with "more talent", but that doesn't mean they are better players in this system. And Snyder isn't going to change his system.
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Hubes also doesn't turn over the ball very much
This
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Hubert is better and or more productive than most RBs that Snyder, or Prince, has had the last 20 years. The list of those clearly better/more productive is short
Darren Sproles
Daniel Thomas
James Johnson
I'd listen to an argument for Frank Murphy but he didn't produce numbers. Snyder has had good running QBs that overshadowed or more accurately negated the need for a feature back. This is why I think the 2003 team was unquestionably the best we've had.
Josh Scobey
MIR, when you include Scobey in your original post, you’re really not giving Hubert a compliment. And quite honestly, that’s probably accurate. He’s a slightly above average running back. He’s Hickson, but got to play against defenses that weren’t designed to stop the run.
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I guess if you're just trying to hang on for dear life to win a game and sputter, fiddle fart around, get your QB hit 27 to 30 times a game with no real ability to change a game or rip off long runs. Than Hubes is the guy, he knows the playbook, gets his assignment most of the time, and doesn't fumble much. :thumbsup:
Getting the assignments right (most of the time) is particulary important when your two best receivers are out of the game, and the defense is keying on your QB running game. That's really when you don't want a workhouse at the TB position.
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I guess if you're just trying to hang on for dear life to win a game and sputter, fiddle fart around, get your QB hit 27 to 30 times a game with no real ability to change a game or rip off long runs. Than Hubes is the guy, he knows the playbook, gets his assignment most of the time, and doesn't fumble much. :thumbsup:
Getting the assignments right (most of the time) is particulary important when your two best receivers are out of the game, and the defense is keying on your QB running game. That's really when you don't want a workhouse at the TB position.
Of course, but like most personnel issues in this program that is a recruiting issue. They need to go recruit a bigger/better back that can run zone read, lead/power, block, and not turn the ball over. I really don't think there is a better option on the roster, despite the strange gE Robinson infatuation. Maybe Leverett someday (from what I've heard).
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I guess if you're just trying to hang on for dear life to win a game and sputter, fiddle fart around, get your QB hit 27 to 30 times a game with no real ability to change a game or rip off long runs. Than Hubes is the guy, he knows the playbook, gets his assignment most of the time, and doesn't fumble much. :thumbsup:
Getting the assignments right (most of the time) is particulary important when your two best receivers are out of the game, and the defense is keying on your QB running game. That's really when you don't want a workhouse at the TB position.
Of course, but like most personnel issues in this program that is a recruiting issue. They need to go recruit a bigger/better back that can run zone read, lead/power, block, and not turn the ball over. I really don't think there is a better option on the roster, despite the strange gE Robinson infatuation. Maybe Leverett someday (from what I've heard).
How can Robinson be an infatuation if he's only played like 2 plays? You know as well as I do that hyper conservativism anal rententivity probably keeps a higher number of talented players off the field at K-State more than any other program. Because of the constant (and IMO absurd) desire to check into the "perfect play" that keeps guys off the field when the situation sometimes calls for sticking a guy out and there and seeing what they can do. While it may not be the best example, why is it that a PROFESSIONAL football team can stick Bryce Brown out there for entire series of plays, but LHC LHC LHC Bill Snyder can't? Oh I know, B. Brown's mind was in it, he didn't really want to be there, blah, blah, derp, derp, derp. Welp, maybe sometimes guys get that way because they're dealing with a coach who won't play them because they don't catch every audible, check with me, audible again, rush a play jump offsides/call a timeout check with me again nuance of an offense that builds no efficiency or continuity unless you've got 5th year seniors across the board.
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Lol Arthur/Bryce
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both black!
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I changed it, don't eff up this thread.
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I guess if you're just trying to hang on for dear life to win a game and sputter, fiddle fart around, get your QB hit 27 to 30 times a game with no real ability to change a game or rip off long runs. Than Hubes is the guy, he knows the playbook, gets his assignment most of the time, and doesn't fumble much. :thumbsup:
Getting the assignments right (most of the time) is particulary important when your two best receivers are out of the game, and the defense is keying on your QB running game. That's really when you don't want a workhouse at the TB position.
Of course, but like most personnel issues in this program that is a recruiting issue. They need to go recruit a bigger/better back that can run zone read, lead/power, block, and not turn the ball over. I really don't think there is a better option on the roster, despite the strange gE Robinson infatuation. Maybe Leverett someday (from what I've heard).
How can Robinson be an infatuation if he's only played like 2 plays? You know as well as I do that hyper conservativism anal rententivity probably keeps a higher number of talented players off the field at K-State more than any other program. Because of the constant (and IMO absurd) desire to check into the "perfect play" that keeps guys off the field when the situation sometimes calls for sticking a guy out and there and seeing what they can do. While it may not be the best example, why is it that a PROFESSIONAL football team can stick Bryce Brown out there for entire series of plays, but LHC LHC LHC Bill Snyder can't? Oh I know, B. Brown's mind was in it, he didn't really want to be there, blah, blah, derp, derp, derp. Welp, maybe sometimes guys get that way because they're dealing with a coach who won't play them because they don't catch every audible, check with me, audible again, rush a play jump offsides/call a timeout check with me again nuance of an offense that builds no efficiency or continuity unless you've got 5th year seniors across the board.
I'm just saying people want Robinson to play.
And while there is truth to your complaint about Snyder, its still about recruiting guys that fit IMO.
Hubert started at RB as a SO. Lockett and Thompson at WR as FR, Finney and Whitehair as olinemen as FR, even McDonald at TE played quite a bit as a FR/SO. There are tons of other examples and lots of players that start or play a lot under Snyder that haven't been 5th year seniors, so there is more to it than just being in the system a while.
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I guess if you're just trying to hang on for dear life to win a game and sputter, fiddle fart around, get your QB hit 27 to 30 times a game with no real ability to change a game or rip off long runs. Than Hubes is the guy, he knows the playbook, gets his assignment most of the time, and doesn't fumble much. :thumbsup:
Getting the assignments right (most of the time) is particulary important when your two best receivers are out of the game, and the defense is keying on your QB running game. That's really when you don't want a workhouse at the TB position.
Of course, but like most personnel issues in this program that is a recruiting issue. They need to go recruit a bigger/better back that can run zone read, lead/power, block, and not turn the ball over. I really don't think there is a better option on the roster, despite the strange gE Robinson infatuation. Maybe Leverett someday (from what I've heard).
How can Robinson be an infatuation if he's only played like 2 plays? You know as well as I do that hyper conservativism anal rententivity probably keeps a higher number of talented players off the field at K-State more than any other program. Because of the constant (and IMO absurd) desire to check into the "perfect play" that keeps guys off the field when the situation sometimes calls for sticking a guy out and there and seeing what they can do. While it may not be the best example, why is it that a PROFESSIONAL football team can stick Bryce Brown out there for entire series of plays, but LHC LHC LHC LHC Bill Snyder can't? Oh I know, B. Brown's mind was in it, he didn't really want to be there, blah, blah, derp, derp, derp. Welp, maybe sometimes guys get that way because they're dealing with a coach who won't play them because they don't catch every audible, check with me, audible again, rush a play jump offsides/call a timeout check with me again nuance of an offense that builds no efficiency or continuity unless you've got 5th year seniors across the board.
I'm just saying people want Robinson to play.
And while there is truth to your complaint about Snyder, its still about recruiting guys that fit IMO.
Hubert started at RB as a SO. Lockett and Thompson at WR as FR, Finney and Whitehair as olinemen as FR, even McDonald at TE played quite a bit as a FR/SO. There are tons of other examples and lots of players that start or play a lot under Snyder that haven't been 5th year seniors, so there is more to it than just being in the system a while.
My comment about the system had to do with guys being kept off the field because they don't pick up every little nuance, and my comment about 5th year seniors is that it seems that the only time K-State ever approaches something resembling an efficent non disjointed offense is when there's lots of experience. I see other programs who plug under classman and they're still extremely efficent. But that really has more to do with recruiting.
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There are tons of other examples and lots of players that start or play a lot under Snyder that haven't been 5th year seniors, so there is more to it than just being in the system a while.
You play because Bill trusts you. I'm not sure I've every found a truly consistent means of how someone gains his trust (other than not turning the ball over), but if he trusts a FR more, he'll play.
And when he trusts you, he'll play you even when there's overwhelming evidence that you shouldn't be on the field at all.
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Hubert is better and or more productive than most RBs that Snyder, or Prince, has had the last 20 years. The list of those clearly better/more productive is short
Darren Sproles
Daniel Thomas
James Johnson
I'd listen to an argument for Frank Murphy but he didn't produce numbers. Snyder has had good running QBs that overshadowed or more accurately negated the need for a feature back. This is why I think the 2003 team was unquestionably the best we've had.
Josh Scobey
MIR, when you include Scobey in your original post, you’re really not giving Hubert a compliment. And quite honestly, that’s probably accurate. He’s a slightly above average running back. He’s Hickson, but got to play against defenses that weren’t designed to stop the run.
I wasn't really trying to compliment Hubert. My point is we haven't had some extensive history of great running backs on great teams, we really haven't needed them. Aside from Sproles our best running backs have excelled when we had below average quarterbacks.
Also I forgot Daniel Thomas. He also fits the narrative of good rb, below average qb.
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I've made the point before that I think a major reason Hubert has won the job is the heavy use of zone read and stretch read in the current manifestation of Snyder's offense. But he's also decent (especially for his size) of running power/zone stuff, mainly because he's not prone to bounce his runs, but stays vertical. I'm not sure that a lot of those past backs would've been very good with zone read stuff either.
I completely agree regarding the zone read and stretch play. Only Sproles would have been better in this area. The staff knows Hubert's strengths as a RB, but have failed to use play calling to take advantage of it. They've attempted to take advantage of Hubert in the passing game (10 receptions this year so far, only 18 total last year) but the timing of calls has been poor. Hubert was effective last year because the play calling was taking what the defense would give us and using formations/alignment variations to set up subsequent plays. They've struggled with that this year. K-State's margin for error is very small and turnovers and poor play calling are essentially creating a zero margin of error situation for the offense this year.
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I have heard DMac has sickle cell trait, I think that has something to do with it. :dunno:
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Daniel Thomas was such a stud.
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doesnt fumble and blocks decent. ill take that over some guy who cant block and fumbles a lot.
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How do you know if any of other running backs fumble a lot or can't block?
Guys have to get acclamated to game speed. If guys are having issues, than you put them in a game situations where you allow them to do the things they do well. Sometimes just lining up and executing trumps trying to check into the "perfect play". But that's not the Snyder system.
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If we are building for the future with Sams at QB then we should be building for the future with Leverett at RB.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fgrfx.cstv.com%2Fphotos%2Fschools%2Fksu%2Fsports%2Fm-footbl%2Fauto_headshot%2F9108395.jpeg&hash=8f659cb91b5f0dcb7fb61926ffe5d6a6d2f0a346)A quality athlete who shined on the scout team during his redshirt season... Will be in the mix to play at running back and on special teams.
2012: Redshirted... Earned the team's Red Raider Award as the top contributor on the scout team.
HIGH SCHOOL: Was ranked as the eighth-best running back in Texas by the Houston Chronicle while prepping at Cypress Lake... Also named to the newspaper's Texas Top 100 list... Was named the school's MVP as a sophomore in track.
KState 2025 2015
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Hubert.....1st team big 12 tho
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If we are building for the future with Sams at QB then we should be building for the future with Leverett at RB.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fgrfx.cstv.com%2Fphotos%2Fschools%2Fksu%2Fsports%2Fm-footbl%2Fauto_headshot%2F9108395.jpeg&hash=8f659cb91b5f0dcb7fb61926ffe5d6a6d2f0a346)A quality athlete who shined on the scout team during his redshirt season... Will be in the mix to play at running back and on special teams.
2012: Redshirted... Earned the team's Red Raider Award as the top contributor on the scout team.
HIGH SCHOOL: Was ranked as the eighth-best running back in Texas by the Houston Chronicle while prepping at Cypress Lake... Also named to the newspaper's Texas Top 100 list... Was named the school's MVP as a sophomore in track.
KState 2025 2015
We are. He is redshirting so he will still be a Kansas State Wildcat in 2017.
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If we are building for the future with Sams at QB then we should be building for the future with Leverett at RB.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fgrfx.cstv.com%2Fphotos%2Fschools%2Fksu%2Fsports%2Fm-footbl%2Fauto_headshot%2F9108395.jpeg&hash=8f659cb91b5f0dcb7fb61926ffe5d6a6d2f0a346)A quality athlete who shined on the scout team during his redshirt season... Will be in the mix to play at running back and on special teams.
2012: Redshirted... Earned the team's Red Raider Award as the top contributor on the scout team.
HIGH SCHOOL: Was ranked as the eighth-best running back in Texas by the Houston Chronicle while prepping at Cypress Lake... Also named to the newspaper's Texas Top 100 list... Was named the school's MVP as a sophomore in track.
KState 2025 2015
We are. He is redshirting so he will still be a Kansas State Wildcat in 2017.
He already redshirted. He is active on the roster now.
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Let me guess, Leverett missed a check down, followed by a check-with-me and subsequent snap at .05 on the play clock at the 2 hour and 54 minute mark of a practice in August and was immediately moved to the "not trustworthy" list and relegated to the sidelines??
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If we are building for the future with Sams at QB then we should be building for the future with Leverett at RB.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fgrfx.cstv.com%2Fphotos%2Fschools%2Fksu%2Fsports%2Fm-footbl%2Fauto_headshot%2F9108395.jpeg&hash=8f659cb91b5f0dcb7fb61926ffe5d6a6d2f0a346)A quality athlete who shined on the scout team during his redshirt season... Will be in the mix to play at running back and on special teams.
2012: Redshirted... Earned the team's Red Raider Award as the top contributor on the scout team.
HIGH SCHOOL: Was ranked as the eighth-best running back in Texas by the Houston Chronicle while prepping at Cypress Lake... Also named to the newspaper's Texas Top 100 list... Was named the school's MVP as a sophomore in track.
KState 2025 2015
We are. He is redshirting so he will still be a Kansas State Wildcat in 2017.
He already redshirted. He is active on the roster now.
Oh. Well, he should be on the field, then.
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Let me guess, Leverett missed a check down, followed by a check-with-me and subsequent snap at .05 on the play clock at the 2 hour and 54 minute mark of a practice in August and was immediately moved to the "not trustworthy" list and relegated to the sidelines??
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lol, thats exactly what happened
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I think Bill likes the redshirt too much, however given that, there seems to be this weird coincidence whereby Bill trusts the really talented players to play early. Weird. Now, a lot of them are redshirt youngsters, but still “early” (i.e RS sophs).
Some examples – I think these guys played as RS SO or earlier: Canty, Simoneau, Leber, Butler, Beisel, Howard, Newman, McGraw, Faggins, Jordy, Sproles, TBL
So maybe it’s just that we don’t have a (more) talented RB on the roster? That might be the answer.
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I think Bill likes the redshirt too much, however given that, there seems to be this weird coincidence whereby Bill trusts the really talented players to play early. Weird. Now, a lot of them are redshirt youngsters, but still “early” (i.e RS sophs).
Some examples – I think these guys played as RS SO or earlier: Canty, Simoneau, Leber, Butler, Beisel, Howard, Newman, McGraw, Faggins, Jordy, Sproles, TBL
So maybe it’s just that we don’t have a (more) talented RB on the roster? That might be the answer.
A few other examples: Sams, Hubert, Thompson, Zimmerman.
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I'd add Pease and William Powell to the list of backs better than Hubert, though obviously they're in the same Frank Murphy lack of opportunities/production category.
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Let me guess, Leverett missed a check down, followed by a check-with-me and subsequent snap at .05 on the play clock at the 2 hour and 54 minute mark of a practice in August and was immediately moved to the "not trustworthy" list and relegated to the sidelines??
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lol, thats exactly what happened
Man. I bet those ugly ku basketball fans were wondering who that old guy was talking to Currie.
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when I look at that crowd I see the beginning of the next great SNOWCOAT
starting with tyrel reed look a like
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That chick looks like she's in a fat suit. It's the neck fat combined with the look on her face that does it. Predominantly the neck fat tho.
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sams sucks at throwing but you love his running...so why not make him a RB?
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Hubes also doesn't turn over the ball very much
His dropped pitch at Texas was one of the biggest plays in the game.
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John Hubert, yards from scrimmage.
2011: 970 rushing, 188 receiving, 1158 total yards, 224 touches, 3 fumbles, 4 TDs, 5.2 yards per play, 89.1 yards per game.
2012: 953 rushing, 98 receiving, 1050 total yards, 207 touches, 4 fumbles, 16 TDs, 5.1 yards per play, 80.8 yards per game.
2013: 268 rushing, 111 receiving, 379 total yards, 75 touches, 1 fumble, 5 TDs, 5.1 yards per play, 75.8 yards per game.
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John Hubert, yards from scrimmage.
2011: 970 rushing, 188 receiving, 1158 total yards, 224 touches, 4 TDs, 5.2 yards per play, 89.1 yards per game.
2012: 953 rushing, 98 receiving, 1050 total yards, 207 touches, 16 TDs, 5.1 yards per play, 80.8 yards per game.
2013: 268 rushing, 111 receiving, 379 total yards, 75 touches, 5 TDs, 5.1 yards per play, 75.8 yards per game.
Not bad, but the facts still remain, a more explosive back probably has over 1000 yards in '11 and '12, and probably more TD's. The '11 Miami game for example wouldn't have needed a goal line stand with a faster back getting the open space Hubert got in that game.
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sams sucks at throwing but you love his running...so why not make him a RB?
Sams would average about 2.8 yards per carry if he were at RB with Waters at QB.
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John Hubert, yards from scrimmage.
2011: 970 rushing, 188 receiving, 1158 total yards, 224 touches, 3 fumbles, 4 TDs, 5.2 yards per play, 89.1 yards per game.
2012: 953 rushing, 98 receiving, 1050 total yards, 207 touches, 4 fumbles, 16 TDs, 5.1 yards per play, 80.8 yards per game.
2013: 268 rushing, 111 receiving, 379 total yards, 75 touches, 1 fumble, 5 TDs, 5.1 yards per play, 75.8 yards per game.
Wow, well done.
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sams sucks at throwing but you love his running...so why not make him a RB?
Sams is too tall to be a RB with his build. He would make a good receiver though.
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#SolidLongTermRunningBack
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Hubes also doesn't turn over the ball very much
His dropped pitch at Texas was one of the biggest plays in the game.
Maybe I'm biased, but I still think that was a terrible pitch and the resulting turnover is on Waters.
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Hubes also doesn't turn over the ball very much
His dropped pitch at Texas was one of the biggest plays in the game.
Maybe I'm biased, but I still think that was a terrible pitch and the resulting turnover is on Waters.
The pitch came way earlier than it would have from a good option QB, but it hit him right in the chest.
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Hubert has been ridiculously consistent. He's taken a slight step back this year, but I attribute that more to the flux at QB than Hubert. And its not unprecedented.
Darren Sproles, yard from scrimmage:
2002: 1465 rushing, 99 receiving, 1564 total yards, 246 touches, 17 TDs, 6.4 yards per play, 120.3 yards per game.
2003: 1986 rushing, 287 receiving, 2273 total yards, 331 touches, 18 TDs, 6.9 yards per play, 151.5 yards per game.
2004: 1318 rushing, 223 receiving, 1541 total yards, 276 touches, 11 TDs, 5.6 yards per play, 140.1 yards per game.
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Hubes also doesn't turn over the ball very much
His dropped pitch at Texas was one of the biggest plays in the game.
Maybe I'm biased, but I still think that was a terrible pitch and the resulting turnover is on Waters.
Waters actually took the defender out of the play and the pitch hit Hubert right in the chest/gut, Not to mention Hubert is a Senior...
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Hubes also doesn't turn over the ball very much
His dropped pitch at Texas was one of the biggest plays in the game.
Maybe I'm biased, but I still think that was a terrible pitch and the resulting turnover is on Waters.
The pitch came way earlier than it would have from a good option QB, but it hit him right in the chest.
Go to 3:05 and tell me what was wrong with the timing or location of that pitch. That was all on Hubes... And nevermind the fact that he probably would've gained 5-7 yards had he actually caught it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJG3ZSfNJDQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJG3ZSfNJDQ)
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Hubes also doesn't turn over the ball very much
His dropped pitch at Texas was one of the biggest plays in the game.
Maybe I'm biased, but I still think that was a terrible pitch and the resulting turnover is on Waters.
The pitch came way earlier than it would have from a good option QB, but it hit him right in the chest.
Go to 3:05 and tell me what was wrong with the timing or location of that pitch. That was all on Hubes... And nevermind the fact that he probably would've gained 5-7 yards had he actually caught it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJG3ZSfNJDQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJG3ZSfNJDQ)
It's not as bad as I remembered, but the DE was still trying to play both the QB and the pitch. Waters would have had 7-8 easy yards, maybe more, if he would have just faked the pitch and turned upfield. The fumble was definitely Hubert's fault, though, as I said earlier. The biggest problem is trying to run the option with Waters, but if we are going to do it, he has to keep the ball every now and then to keep the defense honest.
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It's not as bad as I remembered, but the DE was still trying to play both the QB and the pitch. Waters would have had 7-8 easy yards, maybe more, if he would have just faked the pitch and turned upfield. The fumble was definitely Hubert's fault, though, as I said earlier. The biggest problem is trying to run the option with Waters, but if we are going to do it, he has to keep the ball every now and then to keep the defense honest.
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We need a RB with SIZE. Hubert averages like 0.0 yards after contact.
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_Fan wins.
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_Fan wins.
As does dlew it seems
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_Fan wins.
As does dlew it seems
I think you could say if this team has 99 problems, the guy who dropped the pitch ain't one.
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HEY, FIRST TEAM ALL BIG 12 RUNNING BACK JOHN HUBERT, YOU'RE NOT GOOD ENOUGH!
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Also:
Hubert can be all big 12.
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