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http://dailycaller.com/2013/08/20/study-welfare-pays-more-than-work-in-most-states/ (http://dailycaller.com/2013/08/20/study-welfare-pays-more-than-work-in-most-states/)
Looking for a good paying job? Well, look no further.
No, really, stop looking. In 35 states, welfare benefits pay more than a minimum wage job, according to a new study by the libertarian Cato Institute, and in 13 states welfare pays more than $15 per hour.
“One of the single best ways to climb out of poverty is taking a job, but as long as welfare provides a better standard of living than an entry-level job, recipients will continue to choose it over work,” said Michael Tanner, senior policy analyst and co-author of the study.
The study is an updated version of one Tanner put out in 1995 that estimated the full value of welfare benefits packages across the states. The 1995 study found that such tax-free welfare benefits greatly exceeded the poverty level and “their dollar value was greater than the amount of take-home income a worker would receive from an entry-level job.”
Despite efforts to curb welfare spending, many welfare programs and benefits have continued to outpace the income that many workers can receive for working an entry-level job, which disincentivizes work, according to the study.
“The current welfare system provides such a high level of benefits that it acts as a disincentive for work,” reads the study. “Welfare currently pays more than a minimum-wage job in 35 states, even after accounting for the Earned Income Tax Credit, and in 13 states it pays more than $15 per hour.”
According to the study, the federal government funds 126 separate programs designed to support low-income earners. Seventy-two of these programs provide cash or in-kind benefits to recipients. This is on top of additional welfare programs operated by state and local governments.
Welfare recipients in Hawaii get the most benefits, according to Tanner, at $29.13 per hour — or $60,590 pre-tax income annually. However, the state’s minimum wage is only $7.25 per hour, according to the Labor Department. Hawaiians on welfare also earn 167 percent of the median salary in the state, which is only $36,275.
The District of Columbia, Massachusetts and Connecticut have the next more generous welfare benefits.
D.C. welfare recipients can earn $24.43 per hour. In Massachusetts they can get $24.30 per hour. In Connecticut welfare recipients can receive $21.33 per hour.
“If Congress and state legislatures are serious about reducing welfare dependence and rewarding work, they should consider strengthening welfare work requirements, removing exemptions, and narrowing the definition of work,” says the study.
Damn - maybe I ought to take a closer look at Hawaii.
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agreed on raising min. wage
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agreed on raising min. wage
Me too.
K-S-U has made an excellent argument for reducing welfare by increasing the minimum wage.
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agreed on raising min. wage
Me too.
K-S-U has made an excellent argument for reducing welfare by increasing the minimum wage.
Shut up, libtards.
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agreed on raising min. wage
Me too.
K-S-U has made an excellent argument for reducing welfare by increasing the minimum wage.
Shut up, modtards.
FYP
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I totally agree we should raise keep raising the minimum wage. Those greedy businesses can afford it. The idea that they'll just hire less or pass the cost along to customers is a stupid myth.
I mean, it's either raise the minimum wage or reduce welfare, and that would hurt the children. Why do evil conservatives want to hurt the children? Monsters.
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$15 is dumb.
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agreed on raising min. wage
Me too.
K-S-U has made an excellent argument for reducing welfare by increasing the minimum wage.
Shut up, modtards.
FYP
nice work moderate friend.
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I totally agree we should raise keep raising the minimum wage. Those greedy businesses can afford it. The idea that they'll just hire less or pass the cost along to customers is a stupid myth.
I mean, it's either raise the minimum wage or reduce welfare, and that would hurt the children. Why do evil conservatives want to hurt the children? Monsters.
“At Costco, we know that paying employees good wages makes good sense for business,” Jelinik said in a statement last week. “Instead of minimizing wages, we know it’s a lot more profitable in the long term to minimize employee turnover and maximize employee productivity, commitment and loyalty. We support efforts to increase the federal minimum wage.”
An average Costco worker made about $45,000 in 2011, according to Fortune. That’s compared to an average of about $17,486 per year for a worker at comparable Walmart-owned Sam’s Club.
http://beforeitsnews.com/opinion-liberal/2013/03/costco-reaps-benefits-of-higher-wages-and-health-care-benefits-2457020.html
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I totally agree we should raise keep raising the minimum wage. Those greedy businesses can afford it. The idea that they'll just hire less or pass the cost along to customers is a stupid myth.
I mean, it's either raise the minimum wage or reduce welfare, and that would hurt the children. Why do evil conservatives want to hurt the children? Monsters.
“At Costco, we know that paying employees good wages makes good sense for business,” Jelinik said in a statement last week. “Instead of minimizing wages, we know it’s a lot more profitable in the long term to minimize employee turnover and maximize employee productivity, commitment and loyalty. We support efforts to increase the federal minimum wage.”
An average Costco worker made about $45,000 in 2011, according to Fortune. That’s compared to an average of about $17,486 per year for a worker at comparable Walmart-owned Sam’s Club.
http://beforeitsnews.com/opinion-liberal/2013/03/costco-reaps-benefits-of-higher-wages-and-health-care-benefits-2457020.html
Yeah, but what does Costco know?
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agreed on raising min. wage
Me too.
K-S-U has made an excellent argument for reducing welfare by increasing the minimum wage.
Shut up, modtards.
FYP
nice work moderate friend.
libtards disguised as modtards :runaway:
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I totally agree we should raise keep raising the minimum wage. Those greedy businesses can afford it. The idea that they'll just hire less or pass the cost along to customers is a stupid myth.
I mean, it's either raise the minimum wage or reduce welfare, and that would hurt the children. Why do evil conservatives want to hurt the children? Monsters.
“At Costco, we know that paying employees good wages makes good sense for business,” Jelinik said in a statement last week. “Instead of minimizing wages, we know it’s a lot more profitable in the long term to minimize employee turnover and maximize employee productivity, commitment and loyalty. We support efforts to increase the federal minimum wage.”
An average Costco worker made about $45,000 in 2011, according to Fortune. That’s compared to an average of about $17,486 per year for a worker at comparable Walmart-owned Sam’s Club.
http://beforeitsnews.com/opinion-liberal/2013/03/costco-reaps-benefits-of-higher-wages-and-health-care-benefits-2457020.html
FYI, evidently the average Costco worker makes more than the average teacher does in KS.
Stocking boxes is tough.
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This issue is very real. The minimum wage is so low that there's more incentive not to work than there is to work for minimum wage. Low skilled workers should be able to work full-time and still live comfortably, but that's not the case anymore. I actually kinda like Mitt Romney's idea to tie minimum wage to inflation. At least that way it's factored into the cost of living.
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This issue is very real. The minimum wage is so low that there's more incentive not to work than there is to work for minimum wage. Low skilled workers should be able to work full-time and still live comfortably, but that's not the case anymore. I actually kinda like Mitt Romney's idea to tie minimum wage to inflation. At least that way it's factored into the cost of living.
You are a rough ridin' idiot.
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I totally agree we should raise keep raising the minimum wage. Those greedy businesses can afford it. The idea that they'll just hire less or pass the cost along to customers is a stupid myth.
I mean, it's either raise the minimum wage or reduce welfare, and that would hurt the children. Why do evil conservatives want to hurt the children? Monsters.
“At Costco, we know that paying employees good wages makes good sense for business,” Jelinik said in a statement last week. “Instead of minimizing wages, we know it’s a lot more profitable in the long term to minimize employee turnover and maximize employee productivity, commitment and loyalty. We support efforts to increase the federal minimum wage.”
An average Costco worker made about $45,000 in 2011, according to Fortune. That’s compared to an average of about $17,486 per year for a worker at comparable Walmart-owned Sam’s Club.
http://beforeitsnews.com/opinion-liberal/2013/03/costco-reaps-benefits-of-higher-wages-and-health-care-benefits-2457020.html
FYI, evidently the average Costco worker makes more than the average teacher does in KS.
Stocking boxes is tough.
That explains why Costco is such a ripoff (not joking).
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This issue is very real. The minimum wage is so low that there's more incentive not to work than there is to work for minimum wage. Low skilled workers should be able to work full-time and still live comfortably, but that's not the case anymore. I actually kinda like Mitt Romney's idea to tie minimum wage to inflation. At least that way it's factored into the cost of living.
If we are talking about incentive this has as much to do with the federal and state assistance as it does with min wage.
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This issue is very real. The minimum wage is so low that there's more incentive not to work than there is to work for minimum wage. Low skilled workers should be able to work full-time and still live comfortably, but that's not the case anymore. I actually kinda like Mitt Romney's idea to tie minimum wage to inflation. At least that way it's factored into the cost of living.
If we are talking about incentive this has as much to do with the federal and state assistance as it does with min wage.
That's the point... welfare and government assistance are creating a wage well above the minimum wage. There's no incentive to get a job if you're a low skilled worker who can only get hired at firms that pay minimum wage.
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Seriously though, how big of a scam is Costco. Umm.... Our prices aren't that good, we don't take credit cards, you have to buy obscene quantities, you need a membership and oh yeah, you have to take your crap home in boxes bc we don't provide grocery bags.
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Seriously though, how big of a scam is Costco. Umm.... Our prices aren't that good, we don't take credit cards, you have to buy obscene quantities, you need a membership and oh yeah, you have to take your crap home in boxes bc we don't provide grocery bags.
It depends. I know families that have a bunch of kids. The mom will take them "shopping" at costco over lunch so that they can fill up on samples and she then doesn't have to buy 5 kids lunch.
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This issue is very real. The minimum wage is so low that there's more incentive not to work than there is to work for minimum wage. Low skilled workers should be able to work full-time and still live comfortably, but that's not the case anymore. I actually kinda like Mitt Romney's idea to tie minimum wage to inflation. At least that way it's factored into the cost of living.
If we are talking about incentive this has as much to do with the federal and state assistance as it does with min wage.
That's the point... welfare and government assistance are creating a wage well above the minimum wage. There's no incentive to get a job if you're a low skilled worker who can only get hired at firms that pay minimum wage.
Exactly, we need to address govt assistance. After all, if you are unable to work, you wouldn't be bitching about what you would make at McDonalds.
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Guys, Costco is Aldi but with terrible prices.
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This issue is very real. The minimum wage is so low that there's more incentive not to work than there is to work for minimum wage. Low skilled workers should be able to work full-time and still live comfortably, but that's not the case anymore. I actually kinda like Mitt Romney's idea to tie minimum wage to inflation. At least that way it's factored into the cost of living.
If we are talking about incentive this has as much to do with the federal and state assistance as it does with min wage.
That's the point... welfare and government assistance are creating a wage well above the minimum wage. There's no incentive to get a job if you're a low skilled worker who can only get hired at firms that pay minimum wage.
Guys, this probably doesn't need to be repeated, but Beems is not a sock, and not a troll. He actually believes this stuff. The problem isn't that welfare is too high... it's that the minimum wage is too low. :lol:
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This issue is very real. The minimum wage is so low that there's more incentive not to work than there is to work for minimum wage. Low skilled workers should be able to work full-time and still live semi-uncomfortably.
FYP
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This issue is very real. The minimum wage is so low that there's more incentive not to work than there is to work for minimum wage. Low skilled workers should be able to work full-time and still live comfortably, but that's not the case anymore. I actually kinda like Mitt Romney's idea to tie minimum wage to inflation. At least that way it's factored into the cost of living.
If we are talking about incentive this has as much to do with the federal and state assistance as it does with min wage.
That's the point... welfare and government assistance are creating a wage well above the minimum wage. There's no incentive to get a job if you're a low skilled worker who can only get hired at firms that pay minimum wage.
Exactly, we need to address govt assistance. After all, if you are unable to work, you wouldn't be bitching about what you would make at McDonalds.
Most of those people wouldn't be able to hold a job at McDonalds even if they tried to. They are lazy sacks of crap for the most part who nobody wants on their workforce. The best course of action for the country would be to take their children and put them into government-funded boarding schools so they can escape their parents' cycle and set up soup kitchens for the people who can't hold a job at McD's.
I think the minimum wage is probably ok as long as the government does something about crappy corporations cutting hours to get around Obamacare. There needs to be a 3rd tier so employers with tens of thousands of employees like Walmart have to offer an affordable healthcare plan for even their part time help. When you add health insurance to the minimum wage, it is more lucrative than welfare.
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This issue is very real. The minimum wage is so low that there's more incentive not to work than there is to work for minimum wage. Low skilled workers should be able to work full-time and still live comfortably, but that's not the case anymore. I actually kinda like Mitt Romney's idea to tie minimum wage to inflation. At least that way it's factored into the cost of living.
If we are talking about incentive this has as much to do with the federal and state assistance as it does with min wage.
That's the point... welfare and government assistance are creating a wage well above the minimum wage. There's no incentive to get a job if you're a low skilled worker who can only get hired at firms that pay minimum wage.
Guys, this probably doesn't need to be repeated, but Beems is not a sock, and not a troll. He actually believes this stuff. The problem isn't that welfare is too high... it's that the minimum wage is too low. :lol:
It's a combination of both. Welfare is too high and minimum wage is too low. Nice straw man attempt, though.
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This issue is very real. The minimum wage is so low that there's more incentive not to work than there is to work for minimum wage. Low skilled workers should be able to work full-time and still live comfortably, but that's not the case anymore. I actually kinda like Mitt Romney's idea to tie minimum wage to inflation. At least that way it's factored into the cost of living.
If we are talking about incentive this has as much to do with the federal and state assistance as it does with min wage.
That's the point... welfare and government assistance are creating a wage well above the minimum wage. There's no incentive to get a job if you're a low skilled worker who can only get hired at firms that pay minimum wage.
Guys, this probably doesn't need to be repeated, but Beems is not a sock, and not a troll. He actually believes this stuff. The problem isn't that welfare is too high... it's that the minimum wage is too low. :lol:
It's a combination of both. Welfare is too high and minimum wage is too low. Nice straw man attempt, though.
The two are not mutually exclusive
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Serious question, is the Daily Caller some time of right-wing website that only extremists like K-S-U Wildcats go to to support fake arguments?
The Hawaii Reporter claims Hawaiians make $36K on welfare.
http://www.hawaiireporter.com/welfare-pays-better-than-work-study-finds-36000-a-year-in-hawaii/123
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Serious question, is the Daily Caller some time of right-wing website that only extremists like K-S-U Wildcats go to to support fake arguments?
The Hawaii Reporter claims Hawaiians make $36K on welfare.
http://www.hawaiireporter.com/welfare-pays-better-than-work-study-finds-36000-a-year-in-hawaii/123
Disregard the modtards post above. It appears to be a very old article that was republished. K-S-U Extremist could be right.
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This issue is very real. The minimum wage is so low that there's more incentive not to work than there is to work for minimum wage. Low skilled workers should be able to work full-time and still live comfortably, but that's not the case anymore. I actually kinda like Mitt Romney's idea to tie minimum wage to inflation. At least that way it's factored into the cost of living.
If we are talking about incentive this has as much to do with the federal and state assistance as it does with min wage.
That's the point... welfare and government assistance are creating a wage well above the minimum wage. There's no incentive to get a job if you're a low skilled worker who can only get hired at firms that pay minimum wage.
Guys, this probably doesn't need to be repeated, but Beems is not a sock, and not a troll. He actually believes this stuff. The problem isn't that welfare is too high... it's that the minimum wage is too low. :lol:
It's a combination of both. Welfare is too high and minimum wage is too low. Nice straw man attempt, though.
The two are not mutually exclusive
I never claimed, nor implied, that the two were mutually exclusive. Wages and social welfare typically have an inverse relationship. As average nominal wages increase, social welfare decreases, and vice versa.
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Serious question, is the Daily Caller some time of right-wing website that only extremists like K-S-U Wildcats go to to support fake arguments?
The Hawaii Reporter claims Hawaiians make $36K on welfare.
http://www.hawaiireporter.com/welfare-pays-better-than-work-study-finds-36000-a-year-in-hawaii/123
Modtard, the radio in KC said that this study, that was pub'ed in the Pro-K-S-U-Wildcat mainstream drive-by crazy-right-wing evangelical media is from a Libertarian think tank named The Cato Institute.
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free health care for everyone, pls
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free health care for everyone, pls
Embarrassing how we are 3rd world on that issue.
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Free everything please!!!!!! I'm tired of working.
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Free everything please!!!!!! I'm tired of working.
Or, instead of our taxes paying for thousands of nukes we will never use and bombing the crap out of cave-dwellers on the other side of the globe, we could spend our taxes on Americans and stop treating healthcare like it's a special privilege. It's possible to go bankrupt as a result of medical issues even if you have health insurance - so much for the "Only the lazy unemployed bums want and would benefit from universal healthcare" talking point.
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Free everything please!!!!!! I'm tired of working.
Or, instead of our taxes paying for thousands of nukes we will never use and bombing the crap out of cave-dwellers on the other side of the globe, we could spend our taxes on Americans and stop treating healthcare like it's a special privilege. It's possible to go bankrupt as a result of medical issues even if you have health insurance - so much for the "Only the lazy unemployed bums want and would benefit from universal healthcare" talking point.
That sounds like Utopia, Shacks. Why can't we do that AND not have to work. Imagine everyone sitting around thinking of ways to make mother gaia happy so she will provide without the mind numbing daily grind of being "productive" (lol suckers).
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Why don't we raise min wage reasonably, and lower assistance to a reasonable level with stricter restrictions/qualifications and add confirmation processes to the system?
You know, solve the problem rather than altering something completely unrelated, in our defenses, to provide more money to a system that will still remain broken even after such a change.
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Why don't we raise min wage reasonably, and lower assistance to a reasonable level with stricter restrictions/qualifications and add confirmation processes to the system?
You know, solve the problem rather than altering something completely unrelated, in our defenses, to provide more money to a system that will still remain broken even after such a change.
This will NEVER happen. Its racist and you know it. Next you'll want ID to vote.
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Free health care means no one will work? :confused:
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Free health care means no one will work? :confused:
No, but I want everything to be free so why should I?
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Free health care means no one will work? :confused:
Only the suckers that work will pay for it. I'm going to Hawaii and get free healthcare and $15 an hour to hang at the beach with my choom gang. :bigtoke:
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We should privatize roads and schools before even more people hit easy street! :ohno:
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Free everything please!!!!!! I'm tired of working.
what things should unemployed people not be entitled to? Like, would you have a problem with the fire department putting out a fire in an unemployed person's home?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4SIEl1j8e4
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4SIEl1j8e4
LOL
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Raising the minimum wage is the dumbest of the populist talking/policy points.
The minimum quality of life "social safety net" talking point is probably the most dishonest, disingenuous and inherently immoral populist talking point.
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interesting topic, Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) thread.
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Free everything please!!!!!! I'm tired of working.
what things should unemployed people not be entitled to? Like, would you have a problem with the fire department putting out a fire in an unemployed person's home?
I don't have a problem with providing non-fraudulent unemployment, welfare, and disability payments, but only to the point that it becomes more desirable to not work. This is why there are jobs that Americans won't do.
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Free everything please!!!!!! I'm tired of working.
what things should unemployed people not be entitled to? Like, would you have a problem with the fire department putting out a fire in an unemployed person's home?
I don't have a problem with providing non-fraudulent unemployment, welfare, and disability payments, but only to the point that it becomes more desirable to not work. This is why there are jobs that Americans won't do.
There has never been a point in history that there weren't jobs Americans wouldn't do.
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if any of you had bothered to read the study,
or and knew anything at all about the programs being discussed, you'd realize that the primary activities being incentivized are having children and not getting married, rather than not working.
also lol @ the media for their coverage of the cato press release.
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I think there are a lot of incentives for getting married, too, sys, but I could be wrong I guess.
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I think there are a lot of incentives for getting married, too, sys, but I could be wrong I guess.
yeah, there are.
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There should be comprehensive drug testing for anyone on minimum wage when they raise it. It's not fair to the corporations who pay taxes just like everyone else.
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There should be comprehensive drug testing for anyone on minimum wage when they raise it. It's not fair to the corporations who pay taxes just like everyone else.
shut up
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There should be comprehensive drug testing for anyone on minimum wage when they raise it. It's not fair to the corporations who pay taxes just like everyone else.
shut up
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Free everything please!!!!!! I'm tired of working.
what things should unemployed people not be entitled to? Like, would you have a problem with the fire department putting out a fire in an unemployed person's home?
I don't have a problem with providing non-fraudulent unemployment, welfare, and disability payments, but only to the point that it becomes more desirable to not work. This is why there are jobs that Americans won't do.
I mean, if you knew the fire department wouldn't put out a fire in your house unless you were employed, that would be a pretty good incentive to work, right?
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Free everything please!!!!!! I'm tired of working.
what things should unemployed people not be entitled to? Like, would you have a problem with the fire department putting out a fire in an unemployed person's home?
I don't have a problem with providing non-fraudulent unemployment, welfare, and disability payments, but only to the point that it becomes more desirable to not work. This is why there are jobs that Americans won't do.
I mean, if you knew the fire department wouldn't put out a fire in your house unless you were employed, that would be a pretty good incentive to work, right?
That would only work if you owned a house, so I don't think your plan would work.
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Free everything please!!!!!! I'm tired of working.
what things should unemployed people not be entitled to? Like, would you have a problem with the fire department putting out a fire in an unemployed person's home?
I don't have a problem with providing non-fraudulent unemployment, welfare, and disability payments, but only to the point that it becomes more desirable to not work. This is why there are jobs that Americans won't do.
I mean, if you knew the fire department wouldn't put out a fire in your house unless you were employed, that would be a pretty good incentive to work, right?
That would only work if you owned a house, so I don't think your plan would work.
an unemployed person can't be a home owner?
renters don't care if their house burns down in a fire?
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Free everything please!!!!!! I'm tired of working.
what things should unemployed people not be entitled to? Like, would you have a problem with the fire department putting out a fire in an unemployed person's home?
I don't have a problem with providing non-fraudulent unemployment, welfare, and disability payments, but only to the point that it becomes more desirable to not work. This is why there are jobs that Americans won't do.
I mean, if you knew the fire department wouldn't put out a fire in your house unless you were employed, that would be a pretty good incentive to work, right?
That would only work if you owned a house, so I don't think your plan would work.
an unemployed person can't be a home owner?
renters don't care if their house burns down in a fire?
I don't have a problem with providing non-fraudulent unemployment, welfare, and disability payments, but only to the point that it becomes more desirable to not work. This is why there are jobs that Americans won't do.
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There should be comprehensive drug testing for anyone on minimum wage when they raise it. It's not fair to the corporations who pay taxes just like everyone else.
nope. Legalize it. All of it.
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I'm really excited for social media next week when all the burger flippers go on strike.
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Free everything please!!!!!! I'm tired of working.
what things should unemployed people not be entitled to? Like, would you have a problem with the fire department putting out a fire in an unemployed person's home?
I don't have a problem with providing non-fraudulent unemployment, welfare, and disability payments, but only to the point that it becomes more desirable to not work. This is why there are jobs that Americans won't do.
I mean, if you knew the fire department wouldn't put out a fire in your house unless you were employed, that would be a pretty good incentive to work, right?
That would only work if you owned a house, so I don't think your plan would work.
an unemployed person can't be a home owner?
renters don't care if their house burns down in a fire?
Too much risk to the ozone and opp (other peoples property) with a burning house. Would be better if we sent NSA peeps to murder them, then instruct the state not to prosecute the case, then have b.o.make a speech about forming some task force or committee to set up protections from these abuses in the future.
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How did we go from ppl thinking that getting as much on welfare as that study suggests to let their rough ridin' house burn?
Life safety when it comes to codes, enforcement, and basic services is one thing. Rewarding someone for continuing to grow their family even though they couldn't support it before is crazy. In a welfare way, it could be looked at them setting their own house on fire just so the fire department can come and put it out.
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How did we go from ppl thinking that getting as much on welfare as that study suggests to let their rough ridin' house burn?
Life safety when it comes to codes, enforcement, and basic services is one thing. Rewarding someone for continuing to grow their family even though they couldn't support it before is crazy. In a welfare way, it could be looked at them setting their own house on fire just so the fire department can come and put it out.
I definitely got off track, but I started with the idea that universal health care would remove one incentive to not work. If you're a single mom with two kids on medicaid, you'll lose it if you get a job that earns over $25k/year or so. If you don't have to worry about health insurance with every job change, you're more likely to take that job and earn more money. (of course there's child care, which is another issue.)
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Michigancat, we'll all knew you didn't have a point. What we didn't know was how hopelessly confused you are as to how welfare and healthcare works with the employed and unemployed.
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Michigancat, we'll all knew you didn't have a point. What we didn't know was how hopelessly confused you are as to how welfare and healthcare works with the employed and unemployed.
interesting if true
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Hey guys, did you know if you work you can't get medicaid? -michigancat
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Yeah, people aren't going to work now because they're afraid they'd make too much money and not be able to get healthcare for free from the government. If only the government would give everyone healthcare for free (well make rich people pay for it) then people too scared to work would return to work because they wouldn't be scared of making money and losing free government healthcare. That's the real reason people aren't working, fear of losing free govt healthcare, if we make free govt healthcare available to everyone that incentive disappears. Gosh, I've got this all figured out, I'm such an open minded clear thinking libtard -michigancat
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Yeah, people aren't going to work now because they're afraid they'd make too much money and not be able to get healthcare for free from the government. If only the government would give everyone healthcare for free (well make rich people pay for it) then people too scared to work would return to work because they wouldn't be scared of making money and losing free government healthcare. That's the real reason people aren't working, fear of losing free govt healthcare, if we make free govt healthcare available to everyone that incentive disappears. Gosh, I've got this all figured out, I'm such an open minded clear thinking libtard -michigancat
That about sum it up. Thanks, friend.
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Your quote, not mine.
Seriously though, if we raised the minimum wage $2, like b.o. says we should, then all those hard working minimum wagers turning in 40 work weeks like clock work would make $18000 per year instead of $14000 per year and there wouldn't be poor people anymore. After all, every minimum wager is your honest to goodness middle class 'merican 9 to 5ers, with mandatory healthcare benefits under the aca.
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I can't think of a single adverse consequence associated with a 16 year old high schooler making $15 an hour sorting books at the public library or blowing the whistle at people running buy the pool, let alone flipping burgers at the poors restaurant of choice McDs.
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Min wage at that level would obliterate fast food.
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Min wage at that level would obliterate fast food.
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Yeah but Barry said we should raise it
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I would be fine with it if it would guarantee to obliterate fast food.
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I can't think of a single adverse consequence associated with a 16 year old high schooler making $15 an hour sorting books at the public library or blowing the whistle at people running buy the pool, let alone flipping burgers at the poors restaurant of choice McDs.
yep, I believe Friedman called it "pricing people out of the market"... but michcat is too dumb to figure it out.
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The migrant farmer picking organic produce for slave wages suddenly making $15 an hour would cause a cataclismic series of shreeks at the whole foods registers loud enough to split the earth in two.
This would be followed with populist screams for congress to investigate the ag industry for exhobinent profiteering, and numerous speeches to that effect by b.o.
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Man, federal programs don't pay crap. Why does Obama hate poor kids?
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Min wage at that level would obliterate fast food.
Two birds with one stone? Ideally, everyone except for the ruling caste should be receiving their free rations from the government anyway.
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Min wage at that level would obliterate fast food.
Two birds with one stone? Ideally, everyone except for the ruling caste should be receiving their free rations from the government anyway.
I know your joking in a Pit kind of way, but, yes, making something that contributes to the coming health care crisis less available could be a good thing.
Also, free market will find a way. Something will fill it's place. Could be the return of ppl actually making their own food and controlling how much they make and what they use to make it though.
Don't get me wrong, the min wage idea is a bad one. I am just intrigued with what change(not welfare related) that it might kick off.
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The migrant farmer picking organic produce for slave wages suddenly making $15 an hour would cause a cataclismic series of shreeks at the whole foods registers loud enough to split the earth in two.
This would be followed with populist screams for congress to investigate the ag industry for exhobinent profiteering, and numerous speeches to that effect by b.o.
Migrant workers earning $15 an hour would be great.
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Min wage at that level would obliterate fast food.
Two birds with one stone? Ideally, everyone except for the ruling caste should be receiving their free rations from the government anyway.
fast food is already the working class rations (as basically nothing is cheaper). the ruling caste sure doesn't need to go there.
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I can't think of a single adverse consequence associated with a 16 year old high schooler making $15 an hour sorting books at the public library or blowing the whistle at people running buy the pool, let alone flipping burgers at the poors restaurant of choice McDs.
:D
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The migrant farmer picking organic produce for slave wages suddenly making $15 an hour would cause a cataclismic series of shreeks at the whole foods registers loud enough to split the earth in two.
This would be followed with populist screams for congress to investigate the ag industry for exhobinent profiteering, and numerous speeches to that effect by b.o.
Migrant workers earning $15 an hour would be great.
You don't need to work to make that much.
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The migrant farmer picking organic produce for slave wages suddenly making $15 an hour would cause a cataclismic series of shreeks at the whole foods registers loud enough to split the earth in two.
This would be followed with populist screams for congress to investigate the ag industry for exhobinent profiteering, and numerous speeches to that effect by b.o.
Migrant workers earning $15 an hour would be great.
You don't need to work to make that much.
You have to have a lot of kids, though, and that would suck.
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The migrant farmer picking organic produce for slave wages suddenly making $15 an hour would cause a cataclismic series of shreeks at the whole foods registers loud enough to split the earth in two.
This would be followed with populist screams for congress to investigate the ag industry for exhobinent profiteering, and numerous speeches to that effect by b.o.
Migrant workers earning $15 an hour would be great.
You don't need to work to make that much.
You have to have a lot of kids, though, and that would suck.
That doesn't seem to be an issue for migrant workers.
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The migrant farmer picking organic produce for slave wages suddenly making $15 an hour would cause a cataclismic series of shreeks at the whole foods registers loud enough to split the earth in two.
This would be followed with populist screams for congress to investigate the ag industry for exhobinent profiteering, and numerous speeches to that effect by b.o.
Migrant workers earning $15 an hour would be great.
You don't need to work to make that much.
You have to have a lot of kids, though, and that would suck.
That doesn't seem to be an issue for migrant workers.
Well, they come and work their asses off, so I guess that blows your theory about people not working because the government pays them not to right out of the water.
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The migrant farmer picking organic produce for slave wages suddenly making $15 an hour would cause a cataclismic series of shreeks at the whole foods registers loud enough to split the earth in two.
This would be followed with populist screams for congress to investigate the ag industry for exhobinent profiteering, and numerous speeches to that effect by b.o.
Migrant workers earning $15 an hour would be great.
You don't need to work to make that much.
You have to have a lot of kids, though, and that would suck.
That doesn't seem to be an issue for migrant workers.
Well, they come and work their asses off, so I guess that blows your theory about people not working because the government pays them not to right out of the water.
That's old school. Things have changed in the last few years.
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interesting topic, Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) thread.
i'm glad i brought this to everyone's attention. the level of discourse has improved dramatically, good job everyone.
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Min wage at that level would obliterate fast food.
Two birds with one stone? Ideally, everyone except for the ruling caste should be receiving their free rations from the government anyway.
I know your joking in a Pit kind of way, but, yes, making something that contributes to the coming health care crisis less available could be a good thing.
Also, free market will find a way. Something will fill it's place. Could be the return of ppl actually making their own food and controlling how much they make and what they use to make it though.
Don't get me wrong, the min wage idea is a bad one. I am just intrigued with what change(not welfare related) that it might kick off.
Well, Ok, it's intriguing, kind of like how I find The Walking Dead intriguing.
Higher minimum wage will creep its way into all kinds of prices for food - not just fast food. And advocating for more government regulation, and then making the excuse that "the free market will find a way" to cope with the regulation (I think that's what you're saying?) is kinda dumb. No offense, though. How 'bout we just the "free market" be free-er?
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Yeah, I know everything will adjust up. That said, I don't think that the avg person's thinking and concept of individual product's values could fully adjust up equally.
I mean, no rough ridin' way I am paying $5 for a Junior Bacon Cheeseburger.
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The migrant farmer picking organic produce for slave wages suddenly making $15 an hour would cause a cataclismic series of shreeks at the whole foods registers loud enough to split the earth in two.
This would be followed with populist screams for congress to investigate the ag industry for exhobinent profiteering, and numerous speeches to that effect by b.o.
Migrant workers earning $15 an hour would be great.
You don't need to work to make that much.
You have to have a lot of kids, though, and that would suck.
That doesn't seem to be an issue for migrant workers.
Well, they come and work their asses off, so I guess that blows your theory about people not working because the government pays them not to right out of the water.
Are undocumented immigrants eligible for welfare?
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Are undocumented immigrants eligible for welfare?
I really don't know. I don't think they should be, but they might be. :dunno:
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Are undocumented immigrants eligible for welfare?
neither legal* nor illegal** immigrants are eligible for federal benefits.*** states can do what they want with state funds.
* - for five years
** - ever
*** - there's some wiggle room where states can decide if they want to give state-administered, federally funded benefits to legal immigrant children and pregnant women.
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Yeah, I know everything will adjust up. That said, I don't think that the avg person's thinking and concept of individual product's values could fully adjust up equally.
I mean, no rough ridin' way I am paying $5 for a Junior Bacon Cheeseburger.
most countries in the world pay a considerably higher % of their income for food, including fast food. they still eat, still eat fast food.
also, i've seen a lot estimates on the impact of $15/hour on fast food prices. high end estimates are 20% increase, low end is no increase, but pressure on corporate/franchisee profits and increased automation replacing a lot of labor.
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The migrant farmer picking organic produce for slave wages suddenly making $15 an hour would cause a cataclismic series of shreeks at the whole foods registers loud enough to split the earth in two.
This would be followed with populist screams for congress to investigate the ag industry for exhobinent profiteering, and numerous speeches to that effect by b.o.
Migrant workers earning $15 an hour would be great.
You don't need to work to make that much.
You have to have a lot of kids, though, and that would suck.
That doesn't seem to be an issue for migrant workers.
Well, they come and work their asses off, so I guess that blows your theory about people not working because the government pays them not to right out of the water.
Are undocumented immigrants eligible for welfare?
When he said "migrant workers" I assumed he meant legal since he didn't state otherwise.
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Undocumented immigrant is a misnomer for illegal alien.
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What do you guys think would happen if the minimum wage for US citizens stayed at $7.50 or whatever it is and the minimum wage for migrant workers became $12? Do you think US citizens would be willing and able to undercut the migrant labor or do you think that we would just see food prices go up? I think we would see the latter.
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http://mediamatters.org/mobile/research/2013/02/15/the-minimum-wage-myths-amp-facts/192692
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Economics in one lesson (http://mises.org/books/economics_in_one_lesson_hazlitt.pdf)
Here's a free book for some of you guys... Might enjoy.
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http://mediamatters.org/mobile/research/2013/02/15/the-minimum-wage-myths-amp-facts/192692
to recap, when the price of something goes up, people buy more of it.
I don't know why people who want a $15 minimum wage hate poor people so much. have you ever tried to support a family and buy a bmw* on $15/hour? minimum wage should be at least $80$90/hour which would generate tons of extra consumer spending and jobs.
just my :th_twocents:
*and/or F-250
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This issue is very real. The minimum wage is so low that there's more incentive not to work than there is to work for minimum wage. Low skilled workers should be able to work full-time and still live semi-uncomfortably.
FYP
Yeah, I don't think you're supposed to live comfortably on minimum wage.
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Would everyone be happy if we just raised minimum wage to $300/hour? That would work for you guys... Right? You'd be okay making the same amount as a burger flipper... And if not, why do you hate poor people so much?
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This issue is very real. The minimum wage is so low that there's more incentive not to work than there is to work for minimum wage. Low skilled workers should be able to work full-time and still live semi-uncomfortably.
FYP
Yeah, I don't think you're supposed to live comfortably on minimum wage.
The libs would like to make flipping burgers a career for the uneducated immigrant democrats.
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I really do think that maybe there is some benefit to raising the minimum wage for migrant workers. It would make US citizens more competitive for those jobs and the workers who are good enough to deserve the wage would make a decent living.
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I really do think that maybe there is some benefit to raising the minimum wage for migrant workers. It would make US citizens more competitive for those jobs and the workers who are good enough to deserve the wage would make a decent living.
If they're good enough employees, they should have no problem commanding higher wages with their work ethic. Quality workforce is a commodity - and if employers don't see that as true, they won't be in business very long. Wage legislation only rewards the unskilled, which eventually can only harm them when the cost of living increases.
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I really do think that maybe there is some benefit to raising the minimum wage for migrant workers. It would make US citizens more competitive for those jobs and the workers who are good enough to deserve the wage would make a decent living.
If they're good enough employees, they should have no problem commanding higher wages with their work ethic. Quality workforce is a commodity - and if employers don't see that as true, they won't be in business very long. Wage legislation only rewards the unskilled, which eventually can only harm them when the cost of living increases.
Minimum wage jobs, IMO, should motivate you to go gain the skills and knowledge to earn higher wages.
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I really do think that maybe there is some benefit to raising the minimum wage for migrant workers. It would make US citizens more competitive for those jobs and the workers who are good enough to deserve the wage would make a decent living.
If they're good enough employees, they should have no problem commanding higher wages with their work ethic. Quality workforce is a commodity - and if employers don't see that as true, they won't be in business very long. Wage legislation only rewards the unskilled, which eventually can only harm them when the cost of living increases.
Migrant workers don't have as many opportunities to move on from their shitty minimum wage job, though. Setting a higher wage for them would give some incentive for an employer to hire a US citizen who actually wants the job while rewarding the migrant worker for working a job below the market rate that qualified US citizens are willing to accept with a more reasonable wage.
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I really do think that maybe there is some benefit to raising the minimum wage for migrant workers. It would make US citizens more competitive for those jobs and the workers who are good enough to deserve the wage would make a decent living.
If they're good enough employees, they should have no problem commanding higher wages with their work ethic. Quality workforce is a commodity - and if employers don't see that as true, they won't be in business very long. Wage legislation only rewards the unskilled, which eventually can only harm them when the cost of living increases.
Migrant workers don't have as many opportunities to move on from their shitty minimum wage job, though. Setting a higher wage for them would give some incentive for an employer to hire a US citizen who actually wants the job while rewarding the migrant worker for working a job below the market rate that qualified US citizens are willing to accept with a more reasonable wage.
Being a US Citizen shouldn't be rewarded by being overpaid.
Raising the min wage should be related to inflation. If the govt wants to effect the poor, they should do so by other methods.
I mean, I think there are plenty of ppl out there that stopped flipping burgers and got a technical training cert, an associates, or something like that simply because they weren't earning enough as a burger flipper. If you paid them 30k, they would remain flipping burgers.
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I really do think that maybe there is some benefit to raising the minimum wage for migrant workers. It would make US citizens more competitive for those jobs and the workers who are good enough to deserve the wage would make a decent living.
If they're good enough employees, they should have no problem commanding higher wages with their work ethic. Quality workforce is a commodity - and if employers don't see that as true, they won't be in business very long. Wage legislation only rewards the unskilled, which eventually can only harm them when the cost of living increases.
Migrant workers don't have as many opportunities to move on from their shitty minimum wage job, though. Setting a higher wage for them would give some incentive for an employer to hire a US citizen who actually wants the job while rewarding the migrant worker for working a job below the market rate that qualified US citizens are willing to accept with a more reasonable wage.
Being a US Citizen shouldn't be rewarded by being overpaid.
Raising the min wage should be related to inflation. If the govt wants to effect the poor, they should do so by other methods.
I mean, I think there are plenty of ppl out there that stopped flipping burgers and got a technical training cert, an associates, or something like that simply because they weren't earning enough as a burger flipper. If you paid them 30k, they would remain flipping burgers.
I'm not suggesting they get overpaid. I want to keep the US citizens' pay the same and raise the wage of the migrant worker. If the US citizen wants a job, this allows him to undercut the migrant worker and find work. If the US citizen is still unwilling to work for less than the migrant minimum wage, then the migrant worker is still underpaid, but much better off than he is now. I'm not really sure what the problem would be.
I think the minimum wage should be higher for people over 30, too. If you are 30 and flipping burgers, and you aren't worth more than a 16 year old kid to your employer, then you should get laid off and the 16 year old kid should get a crack at building his/her resume.
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I was trolling earlier, but I can see I should ask this as a serious question. If you think even having a minimum wage is a good idea; Why not raise the minimum wage to $100 an hour?
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I was trolling earlier, but I can see I should ask this as a serious question. If you think even having a minimum wage is a good idea; Why not raise the minimum wage to $100 an hour?
I don't like having the same minimum wage for everybody. I think it should vary based upon age and citizenship. A $100 minimum wage for people over 60 might not be such a bad idea.
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You should really read some books on basic economics.
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You should really read some books on basic economics.
Why? What do those books say about a tiered minimum wage structure?
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Hardly anyone wants to hire senior citizens now. Making them like 10x more expensive won't help them at all.
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Hardly anyone wants to hire senior citizens now. Making them like 10x more expensive won't help them at all.
Who said anything about helping them? If they aren't better than the younger guy in a lower tier (and it's not like 50 yr olds would be eligible to work for $7.25 in this scenario) then they can hit the road.
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The wage a company sets is should be reflected in what they expect from their employees, and they in turn hire the people they believe will fulfill that expectation.
In and Out is a perfect example.
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You should really read some books on basic economics.
Why? What do those books say about a tiered minimum wage structure?
Nothing I've read about "tiered" minimum wage. But depending on whether you prefer to read economist that suggest policy that's lead to the crap pile we're currently experiencing or reading the economists that have predicted every major financial collapse over the last 30 years; the message differs.
The laissez fair guys say any wage manipulation will have unintended consequences. Specifically layoffs/unemployment and higher cost of living. They've been saying the same thing for 100 years... But they must be wrong... because... We haven't seen unemployment rise while cost of living has gone up... Have we?
So what do you think would happen if everyone made $100 an hour? The thought experiment is really no different than your tiered example: as you're forcing the market to produce something that it clearly would not arrive at naturally.
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I think that regardless of minimum wage, most people perform services for goods, and if they cost of those goods goes up, the wage they demand for their services will go up accordingly. I don't really see raising base salaries having much of an impact on the economy, at least in the long term. A tiered structure would be different, though, because it wouldn't necessarily raise the cost of all goods. It would just be a good way for motivated young people to find work and propel themselves to successful lives. It would also provide incentive for people with crappy jobs to either do well enough to make themselves worth the incremental raise the minimum wage would dictate or further their education/trade skill so they can work for more than minimum wage anyway.
I really think that way too many people are looking at Walmart and fast food jobs as career paths rather than just temporary jobs to work until they can find something better.
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I think that regardless of minimum wage, most people perform services for goods, and if they cost of those goods goes up, the wage they demand for their services will go up accordingly. I don't really see raising base salaries having much of an impact on the economy, at least in the long term. A tiered structure would be different, though, because it wouldn't necessarily raise the cost of all goods. It would just be a good way for motivated young people to find work and propel themselves to successful lives. It would also provide incentive for people with crappy jobs to either do well enough to make themselves worth the incremental raise the minimum wage would dictate or further their education/trade skill so they can work for more than minimum wage anyway.
I really think that way too many people are looking at Walmart and fast food jobs as career paths rather than just temporary jobs to work until they can find something better.
If forcing employers to pay employees more doesn't raise all goods, then clearly you can acknowledge it raises the price of some goods - which in turn, somewhere down the line DOES affects all goods. That's how it works. Where do you expect that extra money to come from?
How does a tiered wage motivate people to better themselves? Are they not smart enough to realize that there are jobs out there that pay better than Burger King without tiered minimum wages? Isn't what you're proposing exactly like how the economy works naturally? More skill has more pay? Because if it didnt, who in the hell would work somewhere that required more skill if it didnt pay more?
What exactly are you trying to accomplish by raising the minimum wage? If you really think too many people look at Walmart and Burger King as careers, what's the problem? Do you not like buying crappy things really cheap? Do you think these people are capable of commanding a higher wage, but don't for some reason?
The truth is, some people and some jobs are only worth $1 an hour. Which isn't actually all that bad, because it produces cheap products and people that are typically unproductive, because they're not skilled enough for minimum wage, can actually get a job - earn money and buy cheap crap.
It's win/win and it's exactly why so many companies outsource their labor to other countries.
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Yes, HeinBallz, just about everybody is capable of developing a skillset beyond running a cash register at Walmart. It only takes motivation, and the threat of losing your job is better motivation than the allure of a better paying job that would require learning a new skillset while you already have a job that keeps you right at the poverty line.
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I'm siding with the neotards here, raising the minimum wage only increases inflation.
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Yes, HeinBallz, just about everybody is capable of developing a skillset beyond running a cash register at Walmart. It only takes motivation, and the threat of losing your job is better motivation than the allure of a better paying job that would require learning a new skillset while you already have a job that keeps you right at the poverty line.
Right... When you have no initiative to better yourself, losing your job is a great motivator. That's why we have an unprecedented level of people on food stamps.
:facepalm:
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Yes, HeinBallz, just about everybody is capable of developing a skillset beyond running a cash register at Walmart. It only takes motivation, and the threat of losing your job is better motivation than the allure of a better paying job that would require learning a new skillset while you already have a job that keeps you right at the poverty line.
Right... When you have no initiative to better yourself, losing your job is a great motivator. That's why we have an unprecedented level of people on food stamps.
:facepalm:
People on food stamps who work outnumber those without jobs by 3 to 1 so I'm really not seeing your point here.
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Yes, HeinBallz, just about everybody is capable of developing a skillset beyond running a cash register at Walmart. It only takes motivation, and the threat of losing your job is better motivation than the allure of a better paying job that would require learning a new skillset while you already have a job that keeps you right at the poverty line.
Right... When you have no initiative to better yourself, losing your job is a great motivator. That's why we have an unprecedented level of people on food stamps.
:facepalm:
People on food stamps who work outnumber those without jobs by 3 to 1 so I'm really not seeing your point here.
fraud
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You can make 60K on welfare? damn
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With the loss of manufacturing for multiple reasons; overseas and tech based ones, most jobs-new jobs are low skilled. The US has moved from a production society to a service based one. There aren't a lot of other jobs to be had to WM and fast food are where the jobs are at. The world needs ditch diggers-not everyone can hack college-just these days backhoes dig ditches faster than some joe-no collar.
Not sure of the solution, but the argument that someone should aim higher isn't the answer. These days the target just isn't there.
<edited to correct spelling>
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The world needs ditch diggers-not everyone can hack college-just these days backhoes dig ditches faster than so joe-no collar.
i think maybe i figured this one out but it took me a little while :D
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With the loss of manufacturing for multiple reasons; overseas and tech based ones, most jobs-new jobs are low skilled. The US has moved from a production society to a service based one. There aren't a lot of other jobs to be had to WM and fast food are where the jobs are at. The world needs ditch diggers-not everyone can hack college-just these days backhoes dig ditches faster than some joe-no collar.
Not sure of the solution, but the argument that someone should aim higher isn't the answer. These days the target just isn't there.
<edited to correct spelling>
Well, the solution surely isn't treating WM and fast food jobs like they are careers. Maybe they could learn plumbing, welding, brick laying, etc. :dunno:
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With the loss of manufacturing for multiple reasons; overseas and tech based ones, most jobs-new jobs are low skilled. The US has moved from a production society to a service based one. There aren't a lot of other jobs to be had to WM and fast food are where the jobs are at. The world needs ditch diggers-not everyone can hack college-just these days backhoes dig ditches faster than some joe-no collar.
Not sure of the solution, but the argument that someone should aim higher isn't the answer. These days the target just isn't there.
<edited to correct spelling>
Well, the solution surely isn't treating WM and fast food jobs like they are careers. Maybe they could learn plumbing, welding, brick laying, etc. :dunno:
Trades are desperate for young people too, but the starting pay is really crap and it's really hard (physically) work for the first few years. The rapidly aging labor force is one of the biggest problems facing the construction industry.
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Unions, tho
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/06/26/new-study-casts-doubt-on-whether-a-15-minimum-wage-really-helps-workers/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/06/26/new-study-casts-doubt-on-whether-a-15-minimum-wage-really-helps-workers/)
A ‘very credible’ new study on Seattle’s $15 minimum wage has bad news for liberals
By Max Ehrenfreunde
When Seattle officials voted three years ago to incrementally boost the city’s minimum wage up to $15 an hour, they’d hoped to improve the lives of low-income workers. Yet according to a major new study that could force economists to reassess past research on the issue, the hike has had the opposite effect.
The city is gradually increasing the hourly minimum to $15 over several years. Already, though, some employers have not been able to afford the increased minimums. They’ve cut their payrolls, putting off new hiring, reducing hours or letting their workers go, the study found.
The costs to low-wage workers in Seattle outweighed the benefits by a ratio of three to one, according to the study, conducted by a group of economists at the University of Washington who were commissioned by the city. The study, published as a working paper Monday by the National Bureau of Economic Research, has not yet been peer reviewed.
On the whole, the study estimates, the average low-wage worker in the city lost $125 a month because of the hike in the minimum.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/06/26/new-study-casts-doubt-on-whether-a-15-minimum-wage-really-helps-workers/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/06/26/new-study-casts-doubt-on-whether-a-15-minimum-wage-really-helps-workers/)
I believe a similar study that came out this week showed opposite effects. That said, it just seems unbelievably short sighted to think that raising the minimum wage in such a drastic fashion would help anyone in a situation where the rest of the market is allowed to respond to that regulation.
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https://twitter.com/NickHanauer/status/1222601745123069952
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I miss Kaz
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what if i told you a whopper in Seattle costs the same as a whopper in Dallas
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what if i told you a whopper in Seattle costs the same as a whopper in Dallas
A whopper combo doesn’t, but you shouldn’t get one anyway. You have to use a disgusting paper straw to drink.
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what if i told you a whopper in Seattle costs the same as a whopper in Dallas
A whopper combo doesn’t, but you shouldn’t get one anyway. You have to use a disgusting paper straw to drink.
Looks like the meals are also the same price.
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https://twitter.com/NickHanauer/status/1222601745123069952
Making Seattle Great Again
:thumbsup:
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Weird take.
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Weird take.
Can we get a breakdown by industry, Bucket?
Just lost a James Beard award winner in October, siting higher costs and minimum wage.
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what if i told you a whopper in Seattle costs the same as a whopper in Dallas
A whopper combo doesn’t, but you shouldn’t get one anyway. You have to use a disgusting paper straw to drink.
Looks like the meals are also the same price.
You have to pay an extra tax because the drink you get might have sugar in it.
But BK should survive.
http://www.seattlemag.com/article/why-are-so-many-seattle-restaurants-closing-lately
https://mynorthwest.com/1536621/rantz-celebrated-seattle-restaurant-closes-minimum-wage/?
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Weird take.
Can we get a breakdown by industry, Bucket?
Just lost a James Beard award winner in October, siting higher costs and minimum wage.
They should move to Birmingham.
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Weird take.
Can we get a breakdown by industry, Bucket?
Just lost a James Beard award winner in October, siting higher costs and minimum wage.
They should move to Birmingham.
Agreed, next to BHAM's own James Beard winner(s).
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Weird take.
Can we get a breakdown by industry, Bucket?
Just lost a James Beard award winner in October, siting higher costs and minimum wage.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EPeh_rNXUAUucBA?format=jpg&name=medium)
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Raising the min. wage came up in another thread but putting here to split the discourse out.
https://twitter.com/axios/status/1510032530749026304