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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Football => Topic started by: kim carnes on October 27, 2012, 10:41:08 PM
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if they go undefeated.
Consolation: we will play notre dame in the fiesta
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LOL, no.
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Other than perception what makes Oregon's schedule tougher than ND's?
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Other than perception what makes Oregon's schedule tougher than ND's?
nothing, but perception counts for a lot. also, oregon destroys everyone they play, notre dame doesn't.
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Other than perception what makes Oregon's schedule tougher than ND's?
also, they are #2 in the coaches poll.
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They basically cancel each other out. If they both beat USC, it's a worthless win. If one loses, they're out. If both lose, well, sweet.
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Other than perception what makes Oregon's schedule tougher than ND's?
Oregon State, USC x2 >>>>>>> Boston College, Pitt (garbage teams)
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Have you ever been right about anything KC?
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Other than perception what makes Oregon's schedule tougher than ND's?
Oregon State, USC x2 >>>>>>> Boston College, Pitt (garbage teams)
USC may not even go the PAC champ game.
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It's pretty clear. we are going to split votes in the coaches with ND so the computer advantage we have on Oregon will be nullified.
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Stanford plays Oregon State, so one of those 2 teams is going to take a hit even before Oregon gets a shot at either of them.
As far as Notre Dame, I don't see them jumping us this week, which means a lot.
USC is the wild card here. If they lose both of their big games, than they are 4 loss team.
Best hope seems to be for UT to somehow find a way to win until they play KSU.
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Oregon State is down 10 at half. The PAC is laughably terrible.
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Now that I think about it Arizona is another wild card. If they win the rest of their games, they'll be ranked, giving Oregon something to try and claim to jump us when they beat them again in the Pac-12 title game.
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We're getting mumped one way or another. Prepare yourselves now.
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Now that I think about it Arizona is another wild card. If they win the rest of their games, they'll be ranked, giving Oregon something to try and claim to jump us when they beat them again in the Pac-12 title game.
Will lose @UCLA.
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I was having such a great day :frown:
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The schedule doesn't matter at this point. We will split votes with ND in the coaches which is 2/3 of the BCS. Oregon will have a huge lead on both of us there. We will not be able to make that up in the computers. Right now we have to hope that USC or LSU can somehow pull off a miracle for us like in 98.
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We'll screw ourselves over and lose to a team we shouldn't. In the history of the BCS, there was only one year in which more than two BCS conference teams (including ND) went undefeated. It's way, way more likely that we're upset than that we're a third undefated team that was screwed by the BCS. The former happens to multiple teams in our position every year. The latter happened one time.
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probably
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We won't win by less than 14 the rest of the year.
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We're not going to lose. Baylor, TCU and UT are all rough ridin' awful. OSU is ok but no way they can hang with us. This game is motivation for us to blow the eff out of every team left. Did you read Harper's quote? The whole team knows it.
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guys......we're gonna get mumped.
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We will be summarily voted down in the polls to offset our #1/2 computer ranking. The post hoc rationalation from the media will be nausiating.
eff YOU OU, DIE IN A FIRE
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eff you Bob stoops. Blowout win meltdown threads. eff you bob stoops.
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We won't win by less than 14 the rest of the year.
Losing is not winning by less than 14.
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I agree chum, but it's fun to be pissed about getting f'd over while we can.
@tcu will be a dog fight. And in any of the others, if we are - in turnovers we will probably lose.
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Oregon boards are melting down right now too, which makes me feel a little better....Guys this is the most epic BBSing season ever. Absolutely incredible if you think about it. So blessed. :D
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Not worth it. We're going to get mumped.
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Not worth it. We're going to get mumped.
I've decided to put all my hopes into LSU and USC. Odds are in our favor that no more than two teams finish undefeated. I'm going to try and be positive and enjoy this epic season. That is my new outlook.
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Oregon boards are melting down right now too, which makes me feel a little better....Guys this is the most epic BBSing season ever. Absolutely incredible if you think about it. So blessed. :D
Time to make some room on the wall in the lodge.
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guys......we're gonna get mumped.
ksu will play {insert barf team here} in a BCS bowl and {insert barfing adj. here} and like it
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As long as ksu gets 13-0 I'm ok, but seriously- eff you Oklahoma. Go jump in a lake you no good, no helping pieces of crap. Looks like we'll be doing this bcs thing on our own.
P.s. eff you oklahoma
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aaaaand done.
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Oregon State goes down against Washington tonight. UO's SOS takes a hit.
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Oregon State goes down against Washington tonight. UO's SOS takes a hit.
Too bad strength of schedule became irrelevant last year once the jackoffs running the BCS decided that "eyeball test" was superior to SOS
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Oregon State goes down against Washington tonight. UO's SOS takes a hit.
Too bad strength of schedule became irrelevant last year once the jackoffs running the BCS decided that "eyeball test" was superior to SOS
It matters because games don't get hyped when they're against crap teams. OST is going to drop to like #20 if they're lucky. UW is now 4-4....
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Oregon State goes down against Washington tonight. UO's SOS takes a hit.
Too bad strength of schedule became irrelevant last year once the jackoffs running the BCS decided that "eyeball test" was superior to SOS
It matters because games don't get hyped when they're against crap teams. OST is going to drop to like #20 if they're lucky. UW is now 4-4....
I'm glad that upset happened, we need all the help we can get. Plus it helps in more ways than Oregon's SOS going down - Oregon State was undefeated going into today. But after last year's farce, I have no faith whatsoever in the BCS rewarding the team with the tougher schedule. They wanted Alabama, they put Alabama in the game...even though they only beat one team in the regular season who finished ranked (OK State beat three). Same thing will happen this year if Oregon is undefeated. That's the "sexier" team.
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Oregon is not a threat. ND is. But neither will pass KSU.
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if we win out and ND wins out...we are....(penn state joke)
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most likely, we'll keep winning and not get screwed.
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no way they take ND over America's Team
Gus will choose us
Relax :billdance:
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We are a very "sexy" team. America rough ridin' loves us.
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From everything I've been reading it looks like Oregon and ND won't be able to pass us if they go undefeated thanks to the USC and OSU losses. Do you really think the BCS would "tweak" the computers to put the team they want in?? :sdeek:
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Hey Kim carnes, are you in manhattan? Because I'd like to say eff you to your face
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We'll screw ourselves over and lose to a team we shouldn't. In the history of the BCS, there was only one year in which more than two BCS conference teams (including ND) went undefeated. It's way, way more likely that we're upset than that we're a third undefated team that was screwed by the BCS. The former happens to multiple teams in our position every year. The latter happened one time.
No, it means Oregon or Notre Dame will lose to someone they shouldn't. Bama/KSU finish perfect
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We are a very "sexy" team. America rough ridin' loves us.
Greatest story in the history of college football. HISTORY.
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We're much sexier than Oregon. Everyone loves LHC Bill Snyder so hard right now.
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From everything I've been reading it looks like Oregon and ND won't be able to pass us if they go undefeated thanks to the USC and OSU losses. Do you really think the BCS would "tweak" the computers to put the team they want in?? :sdeek:
They will do whatever they can to get the matchup they want, just like last year.
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most likely, we'll keep winning and not get screwed.
Yep
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eff guys, there are 12 other butthurt threads you could have put this in
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most likely, we'll keep winning and not get screwed.
Yep
Good thoughts from 2 of our best football posters.
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Ranks are full of negative Nancy's, pussy Peggy's, cynical Cindy's, gloomy Glenda's, hopeless Haley's. Take a f'n chill pill and enjoy the ride. :billdance:
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eff guys, there are 12 other butthurt threads you could have put this in
Seriously. Merge them all into an official "How the BCS is going to screw us" thread so that we can pull it out and laugh at all the dipshits when we bring home the Crystal.
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A conference championship is the only thing that matters.
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I would say its more likely that Oregon loses than ND. Notre Dame has the defense to keep them in games even if they aren't playing well.
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Oregon is the one who hurts the worst, their sos took a big hit last night and its going to be hard to win against USCX2 and OSU (both of whom made both oregon and ND's SOS take a big hit last night)
Bottom line is the PAC is weak and USC is going to beat ND we win out and we are in, lets not forget LSU gets pretty much two shots at bama and should win one of them,still a lot of football left
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A conference championship is the only thing that matters.
It's ridiculous that we basically have this wrapped up now
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Oregon is the one who hurts the worst, their sos took a big hit last night and its going to be hard to win against USCX2 and OSU (both of whom made both oregon and ND's SOS take a big hit last night)
Bottom line is the PAC is weak and USC is going to beat ND we win out and we are in, lets not forget LSU gets pretty much two shots at bama and should win one of them,still a lot of football left
Lsu is garbage and how in the world do you figure they have two shots at Bama? They're in the same division.
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A conference championship is the only thing that matters.
It's ridiculous that we basically have this wrapped up now
OSU only has one conf loss. And it wouldn't be like we could count of Big Fuckup Bob to win one for us.
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prolly gonna be a dogfight huh zacker
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I'm going to let it happen. I'm all in.
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prolly gonna be a dogfight huh zacker
l'll have a full report later. But the Pokes will definitely be pokey.
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:thumbs:
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OSU has looked very good lately. Very good. Scary good.
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and have us at #2. We are going to the title game if we can somehow win out. please STFU about notre dame.
edit: when I say #2, I don't mean the AP poll.
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Oregon is the one who hurts the worst, their sos took a big hit last night and its going to be hard to win against USCX2 and OSU (both of whom made both oregon and ND's SOS take a big hit last night)
Bottom line is the PAC is weak and USC is going to beat ND we win out and we are in, lets not forget LSU gets pretty much two shots at bama and should win one of them,still a lot of football left
Lsu is garbage and how in the world do you figure they have two shots at Bama? They're in the same division.
im sorry i meant to put florida vs bama. i just woke up my bad
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prolly gonna be a dogfight huh zacker
l'll have a full report later. But the Pokes will definitely be pokey.
Can we get 3.7 ypc against their defense?
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Oregon is the one who hurts the worst, their sos took a big hit last night and its going to be hard to win against USCX2 and OSU (both of whom made both oregon and ND's SOS take a big hit last night)
Bottom line is the PAC is weak and USC is going to beat ND we win out and we are in, lets not forget LSU gets pretty much two shots at bama and should win one of them,still a lot of football left
Lsu is garbage and how in the world do you figure they have two shots at Bama? They're in the same division.
im sorry i meant to put florida vs bama. i just woke up my bad
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Florida will now probably have zero chances against Alabama. They're in opposite divisions, they don't play this year in the regular season, and Georgia has all but sewn up the SEC East by beating them yesterday. Come on kslimb3, you're better than this, take a lap and think about it.
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hit the cruise control and fatty has officially taken that wheel
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Oregon is the one who hurts the worst, their sos took a big hit last night and its going to be hard to win against USCX2 and OSU (both of whom made both oregon and ND's SOS take a big hit last night)
Bottom line is the PAC is weak and USC is going to beat ND we win out and we are in, lets not forget LSU gets pretty much two shots at bama and should win one of them,still a lot of football left
Lsu is garbage and how in the world do you figure they have two shots at Bama? They're in the same division.
im sorry i meant to put florida vs bama. i just woke up my bad
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Florida will now probably have zero chances against Alabama. They're in opposite divisions, they don't play this year in the regular season, and Georgia has all but sewn up the SEC East by beating them yesterday. Come on kslimb3, you're better than this, take a lap and think about it.
i have no clue what im even doing anymore
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Realistically, this weekend is the only remaining game on Alabama's schedule that they might lose. After they play at LSU, they are going to smash Aggie, Western Carolina (are you rough ridin' serious...) and Auburn, all at home. Barring a massive upset of Georgia by Ole Miss or Auburn, the Tide will play UGA in the SEC title game. Georgia is a pud team, they almost to the SEC's KU (Kentucky). Must be nice to play a one-game season.
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Literally no one except the posters on goEMAW.com think that an undefeated K-State will be in over an undefeated Oregon. No one.
:barf:
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Literally no one except the posters on goEMAW.com think that an undefeated K-State will be in over an undefeated Oregon. No one.
:barf:
I think when push comes to shove we will start losing the few 2nd place we have to Oregon, and may begin to lose votes to Notre Dame. Hell, I can see some people putting UO in as first on their ballots to offset the impartiality of the computers. (Didn't intoxicated dirtbag and overall awful human being Gary Pinkel do something like this last year?) I have been wondering if it is good for us if ND wins out. They can keep a buffer between us and Oregon for the comp rankings, of course then we run the risk of losing poll votes to them.
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This just reminds me of the media's "Hansblow works so hard" campaign to usurp, Beasley as POY. The media hates us, and will create a narrative to ensure we don't mess up their parade.
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Hey Kim carnes, are you in manhattan? Because I'd like to say eff you to your face
amen. i rough ridin' hate kim carnes
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Hey Kim carnes, are you in manhattan? Because I'd like to say eff you to your face
amen. i rough ridin' hate kim carnes
+1
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My concern is that Alabama AND Oregon will rise in the computer rankings dramatically knocking us down. The amount of BCS points we have now is the most we will likely have all year (unless on of the four loses). We will begin to lose points in the coaches and Harris polls. I know no one really knows what will happen, but from I have read and the little math I have done its almost inevitable that Oregon passes us at the end of the year we both finish undefeated. It won't be by a lot, but the bump they get this weekend (if everyone wins) will tell us a lot.
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My concern is that Alabama AND Oregon will rise in the computer rankings dramatically knocking us down. The amount of BCS points we have now is the most we will likely have all year (unless on of the four loses). We will begin to lose points in the coaches and Harris polls. I know no one really knows what will happen, but from I have read and the little math I have done its almost inevitable that Oregon passes us at the end of the year we both finish undefeated. It won't be by a lot, but the bump they get this weekend (if everyone wins) will tell us a lot.
Alabama's SOS looks worse than ND after the A&M game
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My concern is that Alabama AND Oregon will rise in the computer rankings dramatically knocking us down. The amount of BCS points we have now is the most we will likely have all year (unless on of the four loses). We will begin to lose points in the coaches and Harris polls. I know no one really knows what will happen, but from I have read and the little math I have done its almost inevitable that Oregon passes us at the end of the year we both finish undefeated. It won't be by a lot, but the bump they get this weekend (if everyone wins) will tell us a lot.
Alabama's SOS looks worse than ND after the A&M game
They have the SEC Championship. We just need them to stay ahead of the other #2's in the computers for buffering, though.
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I'm optimistic as can be about KSU's chances of making the NC. I also know that voters are gonna vote and I'm not a very trusting person.
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Second place teams in final BCS standings (going back to 2004)
0.9419
0.9720
0.9433
0.9479
0.9394
0.9445
0.9732
0.9681
:dunno: if it's meaningful
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I really think voter's are gonna start to eff around with us. I can see lots of people starting to put us at 4th in the polls. Also, if the unthinkable happens and Alabama loses. I could see an LSU team being slotted ahead of us. Maybe I am just a worry wart?
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I don't really care if we go to the NC or not. The whole system is a farce
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I really think voter's are gonna start to eff around with us. I can see lots of people starting to put us at 4th in the polls. Also, if the unthinkable happens and Alabama loses. I could see an LSU team being slotted ahead of us. Maybe I am just a worry wart?
LSU will not jump us. Everyone keeps seeing the "Case for #2" segments on ESPN, and everyone knows there's a dropoff after #4. If LSU beats Alabama, SEC voters will probably put them ahead of us, but no one else will.
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I really think voter's are gonna start to eff around with us. I can see lots of people starting to put us at 4th in the polls. Also, if the unthinkable happens and Alabama loses. I could see an LSU team being slotted ahead of us. Maybe I am just a worry wart?
I think voters will put us fourth or something, but I think the significant movement would already have happened. No way LSU jumps us if we're undefeated. I'm somewhat worried about some of the 5(!) Pac-12 coaches with votes putting Oregon #1 ahead of Bama more than anything. They may have some stupid code that would keep them from doing it, though.
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Coaches don't give a crap about ND. Also, they aren't just going to put ND ahead of us without good reason.
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Coaches don't give a crap about ND. Also, they aren't just going to put ND ahead of us without good reason.
Not being in a conference is going to hurt ND when it comes to getting votes. Big 12 voters will give K-State the edge, Pac-12 voters will give Oregon the edge, and ND's got nobody. ACC I guess, but they'd probably rather help out FSU.
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Coaches don't give a crap about ND. Also, they aren't just going to put ND ahead of us without good reason.
Exactly. The coaches are not the media and coaches respect Bill. Chip Kelly....I'm guessing not so much.
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Hmmmmmm..
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Coaches pulled that down-voting crap last year cause the SEC was trying to make it an all-SEC game. It was Miles and Saban's cronies that did that.
I don't think they'll do that when it's three non-SEC teams competing for the last spot (assuming Bama wins out). If anything they'd probably vote Oregon down because they are perceived to be the bigger threat to the SEC 'streak'.
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i LOL at the notion that there is some national conspiracy to vote ksu 25th or something to keep them out of the NC.
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Coaches pulled that down-voting crap last year cause the SEC was trying to make it an all-SEC game. It was Miles and Saban's cronies that did that.
I don't think they'll do that when it's three non-SEC teams competing for the last spot (assuming Bama wins out). If anything they'd probably vote Oregon down because they are perceived to be the bigger threat to the SEC 'streak'.
Pinkel, too IIRC.
i LOL at the notion that there is some national conspiracy to vote ksu 25th or something to keep them out of the NC.
there sort of is
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Coaches pulled that down-voting crap last year cause the SEC was trying to make it an all-SEC game. It was Miles and Saban's cronies that did that.
I don't think they'll do that when it's three non-SEC teams competing for the last spot (assuming Bama wins out). If anything they'd probably vote Oregon down because they are perceived to be the bigger threat to the SEC 'streak'.
Pinkel, too IIRC.
i LOL at the notion that there is some national conspiracy to vote ksu 25th or something to keep them out of the NC.
there sort of is
ya
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i LOL at the notion that there is some national conspiracy to vote ksu 25th or something to keep them out of the NC.
Not so much a conspiracy to keep KSU out as it is to get Notre Dame in
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i LOL at the notion that there is some national conspiracy to vote ksu 25th or something to keep them out of the NC.
As has been mentioned, its the worry of getting 4th or 5th place votes. But now that I think about it, you were probably being intentionally dense for comedy(?).
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Literally no one except the posters on goEMAW.com think that an undefeated K-State will be in over an undefeated Oregon. No one.
:barf:
Some people on College Football Daily (ESPN U) do. They both had Oregon as the second best team in their Top 5, but when they did bowl selection they both had the Cats in the NC.
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Why the eff does the BCS use the coaches poll. I mean these guys have legit motives to screw with the polls. What a joke of a system.
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Coaches pulled that down-voting crap last year cause the SEC was trying to make it an all-SEC game. It was Miles and Saban's cronies that did that.
I don't think they'll do that when it's three non-SEC teams competing for the last spot (assuming Bama wins out). If anything they'd probably vote Oregon down because they are perceived to be the bigger threat to the SEC 'streak'.
IIRC, Miles put us at about #14 (I think he had us the lowest of any coach) at the end of the regular season. That basically knocked OSU out by .004 or something like that.
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Coaches pulled that down-voting crap last year cause the SEC was trying to make it an all-SEC game. It was Miles and Saban's cronies that did that.
I don't think they'll do that when it's three non-SEC teams competing for the last spot (assuming Bama wins out). If anything they'd probably vote Oregon down because they are perceived to be the bigger threat to the SEC 'streak'.
I HAVE NO IDEA HOW THE BCS WORKS
fyp
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I really think voter's are gonna start to eff around with us. I can see lots of people starting to put us at 4th in the polls. Also, if the unthinkable happens and Alabama loses. I could see an LSU team being slotted ahead of us. Maybe I am just a worry wart?
I think voters will put us fourth or something, but I think the significant movement would already have happened. No way LSU jumps us if we're undefeated. I'm somewhat worried about some of the 5(!) Pac-12 coaches with votes putting Oregon #1 ahead of Bama more than anything. They may have some stupid code that would keep them from doing it, though.
You hope the published ballots will help there.
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Coaches pulled that down-voting crap last year cause the SEC was trying to make it an all-SEC game. It was Miles and Saban's cronies that did that.
I don't think they'll do that when it's three non-SEC teams competing for the last spot (assuming Bama wins out). If anything they'd probably vote Oregon down because they are perceived to be the bigger threat to the SEC 'streak'.
IIRC, Miles put us at about #14 (I think he had us the lowest of any coach) at the end of the regular season. That basically knocked OSU out by .004 or something like that.
Actually Saban and other slime bag SEC guys cooked their ballots. It is a crock of crap though. Both Saban and Miles had votes last year. No conflict of interest there.
http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2011/12/how_did_they_vote_usa_today_co.html
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I guess the point is that voters absolutely can and do manipulate their ballots for their own good or for their own bias. I see no reason why they wouldn't do this to us.
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It's going to happen if Oregon wins out.
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This is why C. Harper should be our SID. He is the only one out there associated with our university that is telling the media the truth. Coach Snyder will not lobby. Holing up in a hotel for a week wont help, so our AD is out. KState Prez wont say a bad thing about anything so hes out.
This is as much an election as it is about the results on the field. We need to campaign, we need peolpe who wont sit back and let it work itself out, cause it will not work itself out in our favor. We have to fight for this.
Hell, Chip Kelly is a douchbag for lying about our cats, but he gets it. We will get passed unless we can convince more second place voters to switch.
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Hell, Chris should get up there and tell everyone that Oregon only offered to play KState as part of his recruitment, and as soon as he switched schools they changed their minds.
We are the second best team in the country. We need to start tearing down our oppositon.
-Notre Dame barely skated by a bunch of shitty BIG schools. Like total garbagbe and they needed to pull a UT over KU to get out of there with a win.
-Oregon likely will not play anyone with a pulse, because they decided to drop us to break a recruiting promise to Chris.
These need to be official talking points that our school, our coaches and C. Harper needs to put out to the media.
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goEMAW Super PAC :dunno:
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goEMAW mega-troll someone on behalf of KSU? Could work, prez could deny it on Twitter again, etc.
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Maybe _33 or some of the other video wizards could create some dirty, sleazy campaign videos disparaging our opponets and we could twit these to various news outlets.
IDK, just spit ballin here, but we got to take the initiative.
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Guys. Last year was the same thing. At this same week last year all of
Alabama
LSU
OK St.
Stanford
Boise St
Houston
were undefeated. Then the following week when everyone was 9-0 three teams lost. LSU beat Bama, Boise lost to TCU, Stanford to Oregon. The following week 10-0 Ok St. lost to 5-4 Iowa State. Houston lost in their conf title game.
Teams are going to lose. It won't come down to polls. K-State just needs to keep winning!
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http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8580673/notre-dame-fighting-irish-present-attractive-option-bcs-bowls-officials-say
BCS officials praise Notre Dame
Updated: November 1, 2012, 4:28 PM ET
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SOUTH BEND, Ind. -- Some BCS officials are almost as giddy about the prospect of Notre Dame playing in one of their bowls games as Fighting Irish fans are.
"I tend to think right now, there's a lot to be played, but I don't see how they could avoid being in a BCS game somewhere," Fiesta Bowl executive director Robert Shelton said. "They have four games left. Anything can happen, but they're looking so strong. Even if they only win two of those, certainly if they win three or four, they will be in a BCS game."
The fourth-ranked Fighting Irish (8-0) are third in the BCS standings heading into their game against Pittsburgh (4-4) on Saturday, where they are 16.5-point favorites. They likely will be favored against Boston College (2-6) and Wake Forest (4-4) before the season finale at Southern California (6-2).
Officials with the Fiesta, Rose, Orange and Sugar bowls all say they will consider the Irish under the right circumstances, primarily that they meet the minimum requirements of nine victories and being among the top 14 teams in the final BCS standings. Notre Dame would prefer not being an at-large team, hoping instead to finish in the top two and earn a shot at the school's first national championship since 1988 in the BCS title game Jan. 7 in Miami.
Irish players say it would be hard to believe they wouldn't get a shot if they remain undefeated. If it happens, though, they say they would have to accept it.
"I can't do anything about it," linebacker Carlo Calabrese said. "I just have to go out and perform in whatever bowl game we're in."
Coach Brian Kelly said he's not paying attention to all the BCS possibilities, saying he's leaving that to others. Kelly, who narrowly missed qualifying for the national championship game while at Cincinnati in 2009, said he doesn't plan to try to lobby for the Irish.
"I got out of politics once. I'm not getting back in it," he said.
Shelton made it clear that the Fiesta Bowl, where the Irish played following the 2000 and 2005 seasons, would love to host them again.
"There are a number of schools that have national followings but none of them really to the extent of Notre Dame. There are a lot of Notre Dame lovers here in the valley and probably some of those who would vote against Notre Dame, too. But that shows you have a national brand," he said.
Kevin Ash, chief administrative officer of the Rose Bowl, said its first choice is always to pit a Big Ten team against a Pac-12 team. But he said if Oregon ends up going to the national championship game and another Pac-12 team isn't eligible, the Irish would be an attractive choice in part because of its history. Knute Rockne guided a Notre Dame squad that featured the Four Horsemen to a 27-10 victory over Pop Warner and Stanford in 1925, the only bowl game the Irish played in until 1970.
"There's a lot of lore for the Rose Bowl game and Notre Dame is part of that. So they're already part of our family. They're a very celebrated team with a large fan following and they're playing great football again," Ash said.
Sugar Bowl spokesman John Sudsbury wasn't quite as effusive, but said the bowl committee would "look very close at them" if Notre Dame is eligible. Sudbury said a team with a storied past like Notre Dame's wouldn't necessarily have an advantage.
"Sometimes we like a team that is making a new name for itself or hasn't been in our bowl before," Sudsbury said. "It can help them. It's definitely a factor that we look at. But I'm not saying that would give them weight over somebody that doesn't have the same history."
Orange Bowl spokesman Larry Wahl said because his bowl has the last pick this year he doesn't believe the Irish would still be available. Asked whether he thought a two-loss Notre Dame team could be attractive, Wahl said: "Who knows? There could be a lot of two-loss teams."
"There's so much football that's yet to be played that you just don't know what's going to happen," he said.
Copyright 2012 by The Associated Press
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Guys. Last year was the same thing. At this same week last year all of
Alabama
LSU
OK St.
Stanford
Boise St
Houston
were undefeated. Then the following week when everyone was 9-0 three teams lost. LSU beat Bama, Boise lost to TCU, Stanford to Oregon. The following week 10-0 Ok St. lost to 5-4 Iowa State. Houston lost in their conf title game.
Teams are going to lose. It won't come down to polls. K-State just needs to keep winning!
wrong, it will
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Guys. Last year was the same thing. At this same week last year all of
Alabama
LSU
OK St.
Stanford
Boise St
Houston
were undefeated. Then the following week when everyone was 9-0 three teams lost. LSU beat Bama, Boise lost to TCU, Stanford to Oregon. The following week 10-0 Ok St. lost to 5-4 Iowa State. Houston lost in their conf title game.
Teams are going to lose. It won't come down to polls. K-State just needs to keep winning!
This + 1 fracking million!
Kstate has 2 tough games and 2 against crapty but dangerous teams. We have to win all of those first for any of this crap to matter.
I'm pulling for Texas to somehow find a defense between now and December 1st. UT must still be ranked when we play them on December 1st....then absolutely KILL THEM in prime time.
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http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8580673/notre-dame-fighting-irish-present-attractive-option-bcs-bowls-officials-say
BCS officials praise Notre Dame
Updated: November 1, 2012, 4:28 PM ET
Associated Press
SOUTH BEND, Ind. -- Some BCS officials are almost as giddy about the prospect of Notre Dame playing in one of their bowls games as Fighting Irish fans are.
Sugar Bowl spokesman John Sudsbury wasn't quite as effusive, but said the bowl committee would "look very close at them" if Notre Dame is eligible. Sudbury said a team with a storied past like Notre Dame's wouldn't necessarily have an advantage.
"Sometimes we like a team that is making a new name for itself or hasn't been in our bowl before," Sudsbury said. "It can help them. It's definitely a factor that we look at. But I'm not saying that would give them weight over somebody that doesn't have the same history."
"There's so much football that's yet to be played that you just don't know what's going to happen," he said.
Could the Sugar Bowl spokesman be talking about our team. They were at the game last week. :crossfingers:
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eff em they're all rough ridin' liars. Bowl committees that is
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http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8580673/notre-dame-fighting-irish-present-attractive-option-bcs-bowls-officials-say
BCS officials praise Notre Dame
Updated: November 1, 2012, 4:28 PM ET
Associated Press
SOUTH BEND, Ind. -- Some BCS officials are almost as giddy about the prospect of Notre Dame playing in one of their bowls games as Fighting Irish fans are.
Sugar Bowl spokesman John Sudsbury wasn't quite as effusive, but said the bowl committee would "look very close at them" if Notre Dame is eligible. Sudbury said a team with a storied past like Notre Dame's wouldn't necessarily have an advantage.
"Sometimes we like a team that is making a new name for itself or hasn't been in our bowl before," Sudsbury said. "It can help them. It's definitely a factor that we look at. But I'm not saying that would give them weight over somebody that doesn't have the same history."
"There's so much football that's yet to be played that you just don't know what's going to happen," he said.
Could the Sugar Bowl spokesman be talking about our team. They were at the game last week. :crossfingers:
eff those Sugar Bowl jackoffs. They did the same thing last year and then took two trash teams over us. Hope they get stuck with the Big East champ and Boise this year.
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Also I talked to 2 of them in the lobby of the Hampton Inn Morgantown the morning after the game during continental B'Fast and I silently LOL'd to myself at their shitty luggage. I mean come on. You represent a BCS bowl game.
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LOUD NOISES!!!!
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LOL @ the "Don't worry, other teams will lose" people. I mean eff this. eff. This.
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Notre Dame winning was awesome. If they go undefeated it's all but guaranteed.
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we are mumped guys
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I'm just numb right now
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So maybe I missed the PM, are we trolling ourselves here, or GPC, or who exactly?
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Guys we would smash bama and nd right now.
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So maybe I missed the PM, are we trolling ourselves here, or GPC, or who exactly?
It's residual post-1998 angst rising to the top. They don't understand that it's not even the same thing but they feel like it is. Let them get it out now but keep a sharp eye on them and make sure they don't let it get out of hand.
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every little thing, is gonna be alright
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Yeah, guys, we'll be fine.
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Texas will be top 20 if not 15 when we whoop that ass :emawkid:
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I'm not going to stop worrying about being passed until two teams lose or we're #2 on 12/2...call me butthurt/stupid or whatever but it is what it is.
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Leaning towards stupid, or battered wife syndrome or something.
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Leaning towards stupid, or battered wife syndrome or something.
I'm not going to stop worrying about being passed until two teams lose or we're #2 on 12/2...call me butthurt/stupid or whatever but it is what it is.
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So, if we finish undefeated, and don't play in the NCG. who do we play in the Fiesta? we won't be playing notre dame, since the sugar bowl or rose bowl will be picking them after losing their selections to the NCG.
If two bowls lose host teams to the NCG, each bowl will get a replacement pick before any other selections are made. In such case, the bowl losing the No. 1 team gets the first replacement pick, and the bowl losing the No. 2 team gets the second replacement pick
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So, if we finish undefeated, and don't play in the NCG. who do we play in the Fiesta? we won't be playing notre dame, since the sugar bowl or rose bowl will be picking them after losing their selections to the NCG.
If two bowls lose host teams to the NCG, each bowl will get a replacement pick before any other selections are made. In such case, the bowl losing the No. 1 team gets the first replacement pick, and the bowl losing the No. 2 team gets the second replacement pick
IF we go to the fiesta bowl we will play louisville
IF
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So, if we finish undefeated, and don't play in the NCG. who do we play in the Fiesta? we won't be playing notre dame, since the sugar bowl or rose bowl will be picking them after losing their selections to the NCG.
If two bowls lose host teams to the NCG, each bowl will get a replacement pick before any other selections are made. In such case, the bowl losing the No. 1 team gets the first replacement pick, and the bowl losing the No. 2 team gets the second replacement pick
IF we go to the fiesta bowl we will play louisville
IF
IF that happens, i will... i don't even know what i would do but it won't be good.
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So, if we finish undefeated, and don't play in the NCG. who do we play in the Fiesta? we won't be playing notre dame, since the sugar bowl or rose bowl will be picking them after losing their selections to the NCG.
If two bowls lose host teams to the NCG, each bowl will get a replacement pick before any other selections are made. In such case, the bowl losing the No. 1 team gets the first replacement pick, and the bowl losing the No. 2 team gets the second replacement pick
IF we go to the fiesta bowl we will play louisville
IF
Louisville would be in the orange though, so not them
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So, if we finish undefeated, and don't play in the NCG. who do we play in the Fiesta? we won't be playing notre dame, since the sugar bowl or rose bowl will be picking them after losing their selections to the NCG.
If two bowls lose host teams to the NCG, each bowl will get a replacement pick before any other selections are made. In such case, the bowl losing the No. 1 team gets the first replacement pick, and the bowl losing the No. 2 team gets the second replacement pick
IF we go to the fiesta bowl we will play louisville
IF
Louisville would be in the orange though, so not them
Oklahoma and FSU would be in the orange. Louisville would be in the fiesta. :dubious:
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So, if we finish undefeated, and don't play in the NCG. who do we play in the Fiesta? we won't be playing notre dame, since the sugar bowl or rose bowl will be picking them after losing their selections to the NCG.
If two bowls lose host teams to the NCG, each bowl will get a replacement pick before any other selections are made. In such case, the bowl losing the No. 1 team gets the first replacement pick, and the bowl losing the No. 2 team gets the second replacement pick
IF we go to the fiesta bowl we will play louisville
IF
IF that happens, i will... i don't even know what i would do but it won't be good.
man, i don't want to cross that bridge. i don't what to know what it will feel like.
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So, if we finish undefeated, and don't play in the NCG. who do we play in the Fiesta? we won't be playing notre dame, since the sugar bowl or rose bowl will be picking them after losing their selections to the NCG.
If two bowls lose host teams to the NCG, each bowl will get a replacement pick before any other selections are made. In such case, the bowl losing the No. 1 team gets the first replacement pick, and the bowl losing the No. 2 team gets the second replacement pick
IF we go to the fiesta bowl we will play louisville
IF
Louisville would be in the orange though, so not them
Oklahoma and FSU would be in the orange. Louisville would be in the fiesta. :dubious:
ok, thanks for the shitty news. we would play rough ridin' big east champion louisville.
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everyone shut up
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Collin Klein, A. Brown Jr, and Harper ending their cat career against Louisville in the Fiesta Bowl is a horrifying proposition. Seems likely though.
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Why do people think ND will go to Sugar?
The 2013 Tostitos Fiesta Bowl is a postseason college football bowl game played on Thursday, January 3, 2013 at University of Phoenix Stadium in Glendale, Arizona. It will match the Big 12 Champion against the No. 1 BCS at-large selection.
If ND is 12-0 they are going to the Fiesta.
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Why do people think ND will go to Sugar?
The 2013 Tostitos Fiesta Bowl is a postseason college football bowl game played on Thursday, January 3, 2013 at University of Phoenix Stadium in Glendale, Arizona. It will match the Big 12 Champion against the No. 1 BCS at-large selection.
If ND is 12-0 they are going to the Fiesta.
b/c the sugar and rose would get to pick before fiesta b/c they lost their participants to the BCS title game.
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Why do people think ND will go to Sugar?
The 2013 Tostitos Fiesta Bowl is a postseason college football bowl game played on Thursday, January 3, 2013 at University of Phoenix Stadium in Glendale, Arizona. It will match the Big 12 Champion against the No. 1 BCS at-large selection.
If ND is 12-0 they are going to the Fiesta.
b/c the sugar and rose would get to pick before fiesta b/c they lost their participants to the BCS title game.
sugar would take whatever other SEC team is highest (florida/georgia/lsu) Rose would take Pac 12 runner up (Oregon St/USC/Stanford)
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Kinda not, if all 4 finish 12-0 we're going to the title game thanks to ND's firewall, Brad already explained it last night on the countdown show
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Why do people think ND will go to Sugar?
The 2013 Tostitos Fiesta Bowl is a postseason college football bowl game played on Thursday, January 3, 2013 at University of Phoenix Stadium in Glendale, Arizona. It will match the Big 12 Champion against the No. 1 BCS at-large selection.
If ND is 12-0 they are going to the Fiesta.
b/c the sugar and rose would get to pick before fiesta b/c they lost their participants to the BCS title game.
sugar would take whatever other SEC team is highest (florida/georgia/lsu) Rose would take Pac 12 runner up (Oregon St/USC/Stanford)
yeah, the rose bowl is going to pass on an undefeated notre dame team to take oregon st.
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Why do people think ND will go to Sugar?
The 2013 Tostitos Fiesta Bowl is a postseason college football bowl game played on Thursday, January 3, 2013 at University of Phoenix Stadium in Glendale, Arizona. It will match the Big 12 Champion against the No. 1 BCS at-large selection.
If ND is 12-0 they are going to the Fiesta.
b/c the sugar and rose would get to pick before fiesta b/c they lost their participants to the BCS title game.
sugar would take whatever other SEC team is highest (florida/georgia/lsu) Rose would take Pac 12 runner up (Oregon St/USC/Stanford)
yeah, the rose bowl is going to pass on an undefeated notre dame team to take oregon st.
The Rose Bowl has been obstructing a playoff for years because of their hard-on for the Pac-12/Big 10 matchup, they would take Oregon State.
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Kinda not, if all 4 finish 12-0 we're going to the title game thanks to ND's firewall, Brad already explained it last night on the countdown show
Well, the very same guy said we are mumped earlier today.
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Why do people think ND will go to Sugar?
The 2013 Tostitos Fiesta Bowl is a postseason college football bowl game played on Thursday, January 3, 2013 at University of Phoenix Stadium in Glendale, Arizona. It will match the Big 12 Champion against the No. 1 BCS at-large selection.
If ND is 12-0 they are going to the Fiesta.
b/c the sugar and rose would get to pick before fiesta b/c they lost their participants to the BCS title game.
sugar would take whatever other SEC team is highest (florida/georgia/lsu) Rose would take Pac 12 runner up (Oregon St/USC/Stanford)
yeah, the rose bowl is going to pass on an undefeated notre dame team to take oregon st.
The Rose Bowl has been obstructing a playoff for years because of their hard-on for the Pac-12/Big 10 matchup, they would take Oregon State.
there is no rough ridin' way 2 bowls are passing on an undefeated notre dame.
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Why do people think ND will go to Sugar?
The 2013 Tostitos Fiesta Bowl is a postseason college football bowl game played on Thursday, January 3, 2013 at University of Phoenix Stadium in Glendale, Arizona. It will match the Big 12 Champion against the No. 1 BCS at-large selection.
If ND is 12-0 they are going to the Fiesta.
b/c the sugar and rose would get to pick before fiesta b/c they lost their participants to the BCS title game.
sugar would take whatever other SEC team is highest (florida/georgia/lsu) Rose would take Pac 12 runner up (Oregon St/USC/Stanford)
yeah, the rose bowl is going to pass on an undefeated notre dame team to take oregon st.
The Rose Bowl has been obstructing a playoff for years because of their hard-on for the Pac-12/Big 10 matchup, they would take Oregon State.
there is no rough ridin' way 2 bowls are passing on an undefeated notre dame.
:dunno: I don't think the Sugar would pass on them, but the Rose will definitely preserve the Pac-12/Big 10 matchup
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if oregon wins out and plays alabama, can we play nebraska in the grandaddy of them all? i'd like that.
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http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=8596713&categoryid=2378529
brad saying we're mumped unless we get style points
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http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=8596713&categoryid=2378529
brad saying we're mumped unless we get style points
I think he said that we can't look like crap while Oregon looks dominating without risking the loss of some votes. Sounds reasonable to me.
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http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=8596713&categoryid=2378529
brad saying we're mumped unless we get style points
He doesn't know anything one way or the other.
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Why do people think ND will go to Sugar?
The 2013 Tostitos Fiesta Bowl is a postseason college football bowl game played on Thursday, January 3, 2013 at University of Phoenix Stadium in Glendale, Arizona. It will match the Big 12 Champion against the No. 1 BCS at-large selection.
If ND is 12-0 they are going to the Fiesta.
ESPN used that talking point when they matched us up with ND. A lot of dumb asses in this thread. :facepalm:
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I dont give a rough ridin' crap who we would play in some shitty consolation bowl. If we get screwed out of the MNC I'm taking out everyone involved in the BCS and Chip Kelly. :chainsaw:
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I dont give a rough ridin' crap who we would play in some shitty consolation bowl. If we get screwed out of the MNC I'm taking out everyone involved in the BCS and Chip Kelly. :chainsaw:
Best post in this thread. :thumbsup:
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http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=8596713&categoryid=2378529
brad saying we're mumped unless we get style points
I think he said that we can't look like crap while Oregon looks dominating without risking the loss of some votes. Sounds reasonable to me.
Man KC you have the most negative outlook on everything. He didn't even come close to saying we're screwed. He just said what we already know, which is we have to knock the crap out of all the pud teams left on our schedule. Which is also what Oregon will have to do to not lose votes to us.
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Why do people think ND will go to Sugar?
The 2013 Tostitos Fiesta Bowl is a postseason college football bowl game played on Thursday, January 3, 2013 at University of Phoenix Stadium in Glendale, Arizona. It will match the Big 12 Champion against the No. 1 BCS at-large selection.
If ND is 12-0 they are going to the Fiesta.
ESPN used that talking point when they matched us up with ND. A lot of dumb asses in this thread. :facepalm:
ND gets the Big-East automatic bid. Louisville gets the at-large bid.
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I can understand why the Sugar or Rose Bowl would take Notre Dame. What I can't understand is why you guys think the Fiesta would take Louisville over whatever SEC or Pac 12 team gets left out by the Irish.
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yeah, the rose bowl is going to pass on an undefeated notre dame team to take oregon st.
An undefeated Notre Dame would put us in the championship game, so we are talking about a 1 or 2 loss Notre Dame in this scenario.
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I wonder what is % both Alabama and Oregon finish undefeated. It's low for 4 teams but I'd guess it being a bit higher for 2.
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What percentage of the 2nd place votes does Oregon have? They won't ever pass us in the computers so we just need to basically split the second place votes. Just curious how much we need to steal.
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What percentage of the 2nd place votes does Oregon have? They won't ever pass us in the computers so we just need to basically split the second place votes. Just curious how much we need to steal.
We are 36 points behind Oregon in the AP. 29 points behind in the Coaches... Some perspective, we are 67 and 81 points up on ND in the respective polls. The gaps between Oregon and us are two of the smallest between consecutively ranked teams. I am starting to feel better about this, guys.
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Something else I was thinking about would be the computer rankings after a ND loss. They are ahead of us in all but 2 computer polls. An ND loss would surely boost us. I know the human polls count for more but a ND loss may not be all too bad, at least from that perspective. Thoughts?
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my thought is that you are very wrong
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Our computer ranking would be boosted... My point was it would not be quite as bad as some on here think.
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Our computer ranking would be boosted... My point was it would not be quite as bad as some on here think.
I think what you are missing is that if it is just a little bad, then it is really bad. If ND loses, it would be a little bad (which means we'd be screwed).
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What percentage of the 2nd place votes does Oregon have? They won't ever pass us in the computers so we just need to basically split the second place votes. Just curious how much we need to steal.
We are 36 points behind Oregon in the AP. 29 points behind in the Coaches... Some perspective, we are 67 and 81 points up on ND in the respective polls. The gaps between Oregon and us are two of the smallest between consecutively ranked teams. I am starting to feel better about this, guys.
out of how many. For instance, if Oregon is getting 2/3 of the second place votes, all we need is to steal 16% (although probably less) and we will stay at #2 because they aren't passing us in the computers. One little faulted OB their part and we keep rolling might be enough. Definitely need UT to win out and we steam roll them. Seriously need to beat them by as many as possible.
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So, if we finish undefeated, and don't play in the NCG. who do we play in the Fiesta? we won't be playing notre dame, since the sugar bowl or rose bowl will be picking them after losing their selections to the NCG.
If two bowls lose host teams to the NCG, each bowl will get a replacement pick before any other selections are made. In such case, the bowl losing the No. 1 team gets the first replacement pick, and the bowl losing the No. 2 team gets the second replacement pick
IF we go to the fiesta bowl we will play louisville
IF
Louisville would be in the orange though, so not them
Oklahoma and FSU would be in the orange. Louisville would be in the fiesta. :dubious:
ok, thanks for the shitty news. we would play rough ridin' big east champion louisville.
If this happens I might explode.
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Something else I was thinking about would be the computer rankings after a ND loss. They are ahead of us in all but 2 computer polls. An ND loss would surely boost us. I know the human polls count for more but a ND loss may not be all too bad, at least from that perspective. Thoughts?
ND is ahead of KSU in 4 of the computer polls.
ND is ahead of Oregon in 6 of the computer polls.
So, while a ND loss would boost us in the computer polls, it would be an even greater boost for Oregon.
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Something else I was thinking about would be the computer rankings after a ND loss. They are ahead of us in all but 2 computer polls. An ND loss would surely boost us. I know the human polls count for more but a ND loss may not be all too bad, at least from that perspective. Thoughts?
ND is ahead of KSU in 4 of the computer polls.
ND is ahead of Oregon in 6 of the computer polls.
So, while a ND loss would boost us in the computer polls, it would be an even greater boost for Oregon.
And ND will drop behind us in at least a couple, if not all, of the computer polls even if they win out. But will most likely stay in front of Oregon.
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:pray:
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ND is ahead of KSU in 4 of the computer polls.
ND is ahead of Oregon in 6 of the computer polls.
So, while a ND loss would boost us in the computer polls, it would be an even greater boost for Oregon.
And ND will drop behind us in at least a couple, if not all, of the computer polls even if they win out. But will most likely stay in front of Oregon.
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Yep. We also need Georgia and Florida to keep winning, as they too are ranked ahead of Oregon in some of the computers (Georgia - 4 polls), (Florida - 1 poll).
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Something else I was thinking about would be the computer rankings after a ND loss. They are ahead of us in all but 2 computer polls. An ND loss would surely boost us. I know the human polls count for more but a ND loss may not be all too bad, at least from that perspective. Thoughts?
ND is ahead of KSU in 4 of the computer polls.
ND is ahead of Oregon in 6 of the computer polls.
So, while a ND loss would boost us in the computer polls, it would be an even greater boost for Oregon.
And ND will drop behind us in at least a couple, if not all, of the computer polls even if they win out. But will most likely stay in front of Oregon.
Don't forget that we will pick up quite a few human third place votes that were going to ND. I'm guessing our boost there would come close to whatever margin Oregon would gain from computers.
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ND is ahead of KSU in 4 of the computer polls.
ND is ahead of Oregon in 6 of the computer polls.
So, while a ND loss would boost us in the computer polls, it would be an even greater boost for Oregon.
And ND will drop behind us in at least a couple, if not all, of the computer polls even if they win out. But will most likely stay in front of Oregon.
Yep. We also need Georgia and Florida to keep winning, as they too are ranked ahead of Oregon in some of the computers (Georgia - 4 polls), (Florida - 1 poll).
Shouldn't be a problem, Georgia plays Auburn, some garbage school, then Ga Tech before the SEC title game
Florida also has two pud teams but then Florida State.
Although not sure how playing these shitty teams will impact their computer stats.
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We need to get back ahead of ND in the computers. That's where all of the ground was lost with respect to Oregon. It seems like at this point in the season, it has more to do with how your past opponents faired than the team you actually played. Hopefully, our past opponents will have a much better week.
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What percentage of the 2nd place votes does Oregon have? They won't ever pass us in the computers so we just need to basically split the second place votes. Just curious how much we need to steal.
We are 36 points behind Oregon in the AP. 29 points behind in the Coaches... Some perspective, we are 67 and 81 points up on ND in the respective polls. The gaps between Oregon and us are two of the smallest between consecutively ranked teams. I am starting to feel better about this, guys.
Not that it matters a whole lot but we are only 26 points behind Oregon in the AP, ESPN has us at 1885 but we actually have 1895. We've been steadily gaining ground on them, which suggests that more and more people think we are as good or better than them.
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Also, I don't know if this will have any bearing on the voting but from what I've been seeing more and more analysts are saying that we would be the tougher match up with Alabama.
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Yeah but that changes week to week and no matter what happens with us they are going to look good to humans when they beat a hapless Cal this week by 90. Cal blows. UO couldn't possibly look anything BUT impressive.
We're gonna get mumped. :flush:
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Yeah but that changes week to week and no matter what happens with us they are going to look good to humans when they beat a hapless Cal this week by 90. Cal blows. UO couldn't possibly look anything BUT impressive.
We're gonna get mumped. :flush:
Doesn't that hurt their computer ranking?
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Yeah but that changes week to week and no matter what happens with us they are going to look good to humans when they beat a hapless Cal this week by 90. Cal blows. UO couldn't possibly look anything BUT impressive.
We're gonna get mumped. :flush:
Doesn't that hurt their computer ranking?
not enough probably. I don't think all 6 computers use SOS
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Yeah but that changes week to week and no matter what happens with us they are going to look good to humans when they beat a hapless Cal this week by 90. Cal blows. UO couldn't possibly look anything BUT impressive.
We're gonna get mumped. :flush:
What makes your posts so awful is that they are completely devoid of any thought, logic, or even acknowledgement of events that have already taken place. It's fascinating to watch, really.
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Yeah but that changes week to week and no matter what happens with us they are going to look good to humans when they beat a hapless Cal this week by 90. Cal blows. UO couldn't possibly look anything BUT impressive.
We're gonna get mumped. :flush:
Doesn't that hurt their computer ranking?
not enough probably. I don't think all 6 computers use SOS
SOS is basically the ONLY thing they use. They just all calculate it in different ways.
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Yeah but that changes week to week and no matter what happens with us they are going to look good to humans when they beat a hapless Cal this week by 90. Cal blows. UO couldn't possibly look anything BUT impressive.
We're gonna get mumped. :flush:
What makes your posts so awful is that they are completely devoid of any thought, logic, or even acknowledgement of events that have already taken place. It's fascinating to watch, really.
I'm guessing he's trolling and has been for a while. :dunno:
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Yeah but that changes week to week and no matter what happens with us they are going to look good to humans when they beat a hapless Cal this week by 90. Cal blows. UO couldn't possibly look anything BUT impressive.
We're gonna get mumped. :flush:
What makes your posts so awful is that they are completely devoid of any thought, logic, or even acknowledgement of events that have already taken place. It's fascinating to watch, really.
I'm guessing he's trolling and has been for a while. :dunno:
I'm guessing you're giving him a bit too much credit. I've been wrong before, though.
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Yeah but that changes week to week and no matter what happens with us they are going to look good to humans when they beat a hapless Cal this week by 90. Cal blows. UO couldn't possibly look anything BUT impressive.
We're gonna get mumped. :flush:
What makes your posts so awful is that they are completely devoid of any thought, logic, or even acknowledgement of events that have already taken place. It's fascinating to watch, really.
I'm guessing he's trolling and has been for a while. :dunno:
I'm guessing you're giving him a bit too much credit. I've been wrong before, though.
skinnybenny is absolutely not trolling*
*source-I'm very good at message boarding
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Yeah but that changes week to week and no matter what happens with us they are going to look good to humans when they beat a hapless Cal this week by 90. Cal blows. UO couldn't possibly look anything BUT impressive.
We're gonna get mumped. :flush:
What makes your posts so awful is that they are completely devoid of any thought, logic, or even acknowledgement of events that have already taken place. It's fascinating to watch, really.
I'm guessing he's trolling and has been for a while. :dunno:
I'm guessing you're giving him a bit too much credit. I've been wrong before, though.
skinnybenny is absolutely not trolling*
*source-I'm very good at message boarding
nice
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Too much whiney emotional posters. Its not healthy to worry so much about hypothetical future scenarios. Stay in the present and enjoy this glorious season.
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ND losing is bad. Stop thinking it's good.
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Too much whiney emotional posters. Its not healthy to worry so much about hypothetical future scenarios. Stay in the present and enjoy this glorious season.
Isn't that what this thread is here for? :dunno:
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Too much whiney emotional posters. Its not healthy to worry so much about hypothetical future scenarios. Stay in the present and enjoy this glorious season.
You think we don't enjoy posturing about who/what/when/where/why we will be playing the MNC!?!?! Thats the whole facking point of CFB.
WTF else are we supposed to enjoy/do? Act like we've been here before and we'll be here again soon? Grow-up.
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Yeah but that changes week to week and no matter what happens with us they are going to look good to humans when they beat a hapless Cal this week by 90. Cal blows. UO couldn't possibly look anything BUT impressive.
We're gonna get mumped. :flush:
Doesn't that hurt their computer ranking?
I don't know how any of this works, I'm just looking for reasons to be butthurt. :dunno:
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No matter what happens, I just want us to build our own trophy and then proudly display it.
We also need to have a parade for good measure.
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Too much whiney emotional posters. Its not healthy to worry so much about hypothetical future scenarios. Stay in the present and enjoy this glorious season.
You think we don't enjoy posturing about who/what/when/where/why we will be playing the MNC!?!?! Thats the whole facking point of CFB.
WTF else are we supposed to enjoy/do? Act like we've been here before and we'll be here again soon? Grow-up.
There's a difference between posturing about it and being butthurt and complaining about crap that hasn't happened.
The elite posters on this board have it down.
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Too much whiney emotional posters. Its not healthy to worry so much about hypothetical future scenarios. Stay in the present and enjoy this glorious season.
You think we don't enjoy posturing about who/what/when/where/why we will be playing the MNC!?!?! Thats the whole facking point of CFB.
WTF else are we supposed to enjoy/do? Act like we've been here before and we'll be here again soon? Grow-up.
There's a difference between posturing about it and being butthurt and complaining about crap that hasn't happened.
The elite posters on this board have it down.
Isn't that what you do to milk?
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The more I think about it, the more I think ND is completely irrelevant.
Yes, they are currently a buffer in the Computer polls b/c they are higher than Oregon. Even if ND wins out, their Computer numbers are going to drop because they play two hapless teams (BC & Wake) before playing a floundering USC (that may have one or two more losses on their resume since they play AZ St & UCLA between now & then).
Win or lose, ND is going to drop behind Oregon in the computers by Dec 1.
Rightly or wrongly, fairly or unfairly, this whole hot mess is going to come down to the voters my friends.
What I wonder is if any program has ever had a "Vote for KSU" push, the way schools pimp Heisman hopefuls to the voters...if nobody has done it before, we should lead the pack by putting together a pamphlet highlighting all the reasons to vote KSU over Oregon on their ballots...besides the obvious SOS & other factors, I think voters could be swayed by a vote for LHCBS to finally get his shot angle...
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What I wonder is if any program has ever had a "Vote for KSU" push, the way schools pimp Heisman hopefuls to the voters...if nobody has done it before, we should lead the pack by putting together a pamphlet highlighting all the reasons to vote KSU over Oregon on their ballots...besides the obvious SOS & other factors, I think voters could be swayed by a vote for LHCBS to finally get his shot angle...
and Alabama.
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Oklahoma State tried to influence votes.
And the computers are nice, but we will gain ground on Oregon in human polls if ND loses.
I'm guessing more voters have us ranked Oregon-ND-KSU than KSU-ND-Oregon. Therefore if ND loses, we gain in human polls.
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In the AP poll we have 16 2nd place votes, 42 3rd place, and 1 4th place
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Oklahoma State tried to influence votes.
And the computers are nice, but we will gain ground on Oregon in human polls if ND loses.
I'm guessing more voters have us ranked Oregon-ND-KSU than KSU-ND-Oregon. Therefore if ND loses, we gain in human polls.
No, you are bad at guessing.
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In the AP poll we have 16 2nd place votes, 42 3rd place, and 1 4th place
AP doesn't matter.
Oklahoma State tried to influence votes.
And the computers are nice, but we will gain ground on Oregon in human polls if ND loses.
I'm guessing more voters have us ranked Oregon-ND-KSU than KSU-ND-Oregon. Therefore if ND loses, we gain in human polls.
No, you are bad at guessing.
It's highly unlikely that I'm wrong.
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We have damn near 100 point lead in the Coaches poll over ND, its safe to say ND is 4th in the majority of the voters polls
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man oh man....I'm going to melt down so hard when we get passed up for the natty. :drink:
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What I wonder is if any program has ever had a "Vote for KSU" push, the way schools pimp Heisman hopefuls to the voters...if nobody has done it before, we should lead the pack by putting together a pamphlet highlighting all the reasons to vote KSU over Oregon on their ballots...besides the obvious SOS & other factors, I think voters could be swayed by a vote for LHCBS to finally get his shot angle...
and Alabama.
Agreed, but 'Bama is entrenched as the consensus #1...no amount of advertising is going to sway the voters to move them off the #1 line...BUT if somehting like this was put together I agree, it should be worded as "Vote KSU #1" as opposed to "Vote KSU #2"
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What I wonder is if any program has ever had a "Vote for KSU" push, the way schools pimp Heisman hopefuls to the voters...if nobody has done it before, we should lead the pack by putting together a pamphlet highlighting all the reasons to vote KSU over Oregon on their ballots...besides the obvious SOS & other factors, I think voters could be swayed by a vote for LHCBS to finally get his shot angle...
and Alabama.
Agreed, but 'Bama is entrenched as the consensus #1...no amount of advertising is going to sway the voters to move them off the #1 line...BUT if somehting like this was put together I agree, it should be worded as "Vote KSU #1" as opposed to "Vote KSU #2"
It seems like Alabama not being #1-worthy (regardless of what happened in 2011) is as strong of a point as anything. I was actually talking about this with The Ed last night. I'd like to think that before the final vote is turned in, voters think "wait, why do I presume Alabama is #1?"
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What I wonder is if any program has ever had a "Vote for KSU" push, the way schools pimp Heisman hopefuls to the voters...if nobody has done it before, we should lead the pack by putting together a pamphlet highlighting all the reasons to vote KSU over Oregon on their ballots...besides the obvious SOS & other factors, I think voters could be swayed by a vote for LHCBS to finally get his shot angle...
and Alabama.
Agreed, but 'Bama is entrenched as the consensus #1...no amount of advertising is going to sway the voters to move them off the #1 line...BUT if somehting like this was put together I agree, it should be worded as "Vote KSU #1" as opposed to "Vote KSU #2"
It seems like Alabama not being #1-worthy (regardless of what happened in 2011) is as strong of a point as anything. I was actually talking about this with The Ed last night. I'd like to think that before the final vote is turned in, voters think "wait, why do I presume Alabama is #1?"
I would like to think that, but mob mentality is a difficult thing to overcome. It's also nearly impossible for a sports writer/voter to admit their previous ballots were a mistake without the team they voted on receiving a L
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What I wonder is if any program has ever had a "Vote for KSU" push, the way schools pimp Heisman hopefuls to the voters...if nobody has done it before, we should lead the pack by putting together a pamphlet highlighting all the reasons to vote KSU over Oregon on their ballots...besides the obvious SOS & other factors, I think voters could be swayed by a vote for LHCBS to finally get his shot angle...
and Alabama.
Agreed, but 'Bama is entrenched as the consensus #1...no amount of advertising is going to sway the voters to move them off the #1 line...BUT if somehting like this was put together I agree, it should be worded as "Vote KSU #1" as opposed to "Vote KSU #2"
It seems like Alabama not being #1-worthy (regardless of what happened in 2011) is as strong of a point as anything. I was actually talking about this with The Ed last night. I'd like to think that before the final vote is turned in, voters think "wait, why do I presume Alabama is #1?"
I don't think its a horibble idea but to do anything with games left won't happen. The athletic department won't risk looking like tards if we lose. Imo, they actually should put something together and figure out a way to have it in the hands of all the voters 5 minutes after we wax Texas. We have a lot of reasons to be voted higher. Our offense is respected but is outrageously under valued.
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What I wonder is if any program has ever had a "Vote for KSU" push, the way schools pimp Heisman hopefuls to the voters...if nobody has done it before, we should lead the pack by putting together a pamphlet highlighting all the reasons to vote KSU over Oregon on their ballots...besides the obvious SOS & other factors, I think voters could be swayed by a vote for LHCBS to finally get his shot angle...
and Alabama.
Agreed, but 'Bama is entrenched as the consensus #1...no amount of advertising is going to sway the voters to move them off the #1 line...BUT if somehting like this was put together I agree, it should be worded as "Vote KSU #1" as opposed to "Vote KSU #2"
It seems like Alabama not being #1-worthy (regardless of what happened in 2011) is as strong of a point as anything. I was actually talking about this with The Ed last night. I'd like to think that before the final vote is turned in, voters think "wait, why do I presume Alabama is #1?"
I don't think its a horibble idea but to do anything with games left won't happen. The athletic department won't risk looking like tards if we lose. Imo, they actually should put something together and figure out a way to have it in the hands of all the voters 5 minutes after we wax Texas. We have a lot of reasons to be voted higher. Our offense is respected but is outrageously under valued.
Wouldn't be hard to have a pdf all made up & ready to be email blasted to all Harris/Coaches poll voters.
Hell, WE could do that even?! It isn't like the voters identity is secret
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We have damn near 100 point lead in the Coaches poll over ND, its safe to say ND is 4th in the majority of the voters polls
the margin between us and ND doesn't matter - what matters is how many voters have us ranked UO-ND-KSU vs. KSU-ND-UO.
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We have damn near 100 point lead in the Coaches poll over ND, its safe to say ND is 4th in the majority of the voters polls
the margin between us and ND doesn't matter - what matters is how many voters have us ranked UO-ND-KSU vs. KSU-ND-UO.
I'd say very, very few votrs have the latter
MOST
OU-KSU-ND
KSU-OU-ND
OU-ND-KSU
KSU-ND-OU
ND-OU-KSU
LEAST
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We have damn near 100 point lead in the Coaches poll over ND, its safe to say ND is 4th in the majority of the voters polls
the margin between us and ND doesn't matter - what matters is how many voters have us ranked UO-ND-KSU vs. KSU-ND-UO.
If ND is 4th in 90% of the ballots then you have a moot point. Maybe only 5 people have polls UO-ND-KSU and KSU-ND-UO
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So basically ND losing does nothing in the human polls and only hurts us in the computer polls
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We need to start letting Klein make on-field heart-felt speeches after every game.
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So basically ND losing does nothing in the human polls and only hurts us in the computer polls
The computer hit by a ND loss is more instant, but Oregon is GOING to leap ND in the computers over the next 3 weeks, even if they both win out...ND's schedule is dogshit...The meat of Oregons schedule is still up ahead
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I honestly think Oregon just had their "WVU vs Baylor" type game, and much like WV's defense was, UO's defense was exposed big-time. The problem is, the next 2 possible Oregon-beaters have zero offense (Stanford & OrSt). Oregon will not be tested defensively again this season. Cal actually has very comparable offense to Stanford & OrSt, but does not have the defense for the game to matter. Oregon will not be tested again this season by a team with a powerful offense + respectable defense. They passed their "Baylor test" 62-51, very similarly to WV 70-63. There just simply isn't a TTU or KSU or even TCU type team to challenge Oregon again the rest of the season.
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So basically ND losing does nothing in the human polls and only hurts us in the computer polls
The computer hit by a ND loss is more instant, but Oregon is GOING to leap ND in the computers over the next 3 weeks, even if they both win out...ND's schedule is dogshit...The meat of Oregons schedule is still up ahead
I don't see this happening. ND is just too far ahead of Oregon in the computers for the Ducks to catch up without a ND loss. Oregon's schedule is nowhere near as tough as people are making it out to be.
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Guise, I've spent all morning trying to do science and I'd like to offer a few friendly reminders as it pertains to the 3 areas in which our rankings are influenced:
Currently, our lead over Oregon sits at 0.0152 points.
First, lets look at a couple "worst case scenarios", based on the assumption that Bama, K State, and Oregon win out:
Bama continues to keep all 59 first place votes in the Coaches poll, Oregon gets all the 2nd place votes, and K State gets all the 3rd place votes. Our margin has shrunk from 0.0152 to 0.0126. In the Harris poll, Oregon improves to a unanimous 2nd, with K State a unanimous 3rd. Our margin shrinks from 0.0126 to 0.0107.
If Notre Dame LOSES, Oregon automatically gains 4 spots in the computer polls. Depending on which of our polls get thrown out for being the highest and the lowest, the Quatz either gain 2 or 4 spots in the computer polls. Playing debil's advocate, this means Oregon gains a net 2 spots in the computers over us, cutting our margin from .0107 to .0041.
In summation, a change in a team's single computer ranking carries 10x the points as a voter deciding to vote State #2 Ore #3. We do not have much more potential to improve in the computers...best case scenario we can only gain 6 points opposed to Oregon having the potential to gain 15. Realistically, as long as Bama stays #1, (and if they dont then that means they lost so we have nothing to worry about anyway) there will be little fluxuation with us and Oregon in the human polls, and the change will be mostly negligible. Inevitably, Oregon is going to gain ground in the computers provided they keep winning. How much is impossible to say since most of the computers do not show their work for how they arrived as their answer, and it's very difficult to tell how close Oregon is to jumping the team above them in each of the respective computers.
The ultimate conclusion here is that we seriously need the ND and FLA to continue to keep a wedge between us and Oregon. Provided all 3 teams keep winning, the human polls will make little difference unless everyone decides to be dickholes and rank either us or Oregon completely unfairly.
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Guise, I've spent all morning trying to do science and I'd like to offer a few friendly reminders as it pertains to the 3 areas in which our rankings are influenced:
Currently, our lead over Oregon sits at 0.0152 points.
First, lets look at a couple "worst case scenarios", based on the assumption that Bama, K State, and Oregon win out:
Bama continues to keep all 59 first place votes in the Coaches poll, Oregon gets all the 2nd place votes, and K State gets all the 3rd place votes. Our margin has shrunk from 0.0152 to 0.0126. In the Harris poll, Oregon improves to a unanimous 2nd, with K State a unanimous 3rd. Our margin shrinks from 0.0126 to 0.0107.
If Notre Dame LOSES, Oregon automatically gains 4 spots in the computer polls. Depending on which of our polls get thrown out for being the highest and the lowest, the Quatz either gain 2 or 4 spots in the computer polls. Playing debil's advocate, this means Oregon gains a net 2 spots in the computers over us, cutting our margin from .0107 to .0041.
In summation, a change in a team's single computer ranking carries 10x the points as a voter deciding to vote State #2 Ore #3. We do not have much more potential to improve in the computers...best case scenario we can only gain 6 points opposed to Oregon having the potential to gain 15. Realistically, as long as Bama stays #1, (and if they dont then that means they lost so we have nothing to worry about anyway) there will be little fluxuation with us and Oregon in the human polls, and the change will be mostly negligible. Inevitably, Oregon is going to gain ground in the computers provided they keep winning. How much is impossible to say since most of the computers do not show their work for how they arrived as their answer, and it's very difficult to tell how close Oregon is to jumping the team above them in each of the respective computers.
The ultimate conclusion here is that we seriously need the ND and FLA to continue to keep a wedge between us and Oregon. Provided all 3 teams keep winning, the human polls will make little difference unless everyone decides to be dickholes and rank either us or Oregon completely unfairly.
...so butthurt
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Guise, I've spent all morning trying to do science and I'd like to offer a few friendly reminders as it pertains to the 3 areas in which our rankings are influenced:
Currently, our lead over Oregon sits at 0.0152 points.
First, lets look at a couple "worst case scenarios", based on the assumption that Bama, K State, and Oregon win out:
Bama continues to keep all 59 first place votes in the Coaches poll, Oregon gets all the 2nd place votes, and K State gets all the 3rd place votes. Our margin has shrunk from 0.0152 to 0.0126. In the Harris poll, Oregon improves to a unanimous 2nd, with K State a unanimous 3rd. Our margin shrinks from 0.0126 to 0.0107.
If Notre Dame LOSES, Oregon automatically gains 4 spots in the computer polls. Depending on which of our polls get thrown out for being the highest and the lowest, the Quatz either gain 2 or 4 spots in the computer polls. Playing debil's advocate, this means Oregon gains a net 2 spots in the computers over us, cutting our margin from .0107 to .0041.
In summation, a change in a team's single computer ranking carries 10x the points as a voter deciding to vote State #2 Ore #3. We do not have much more potential to improve in the computers...best case scenario we can only gain 6 points opposed to Oregon having the potential to gain 15. Realistically, as long as Bama stays #1, (and if they dont then that means they lost so we have nothing to worry about anyway) there will be little fluxuation with us and Oregon in the human polls, and the change will be mostly negligible. Inevitably, Oregon is going to gain ground in the computers provided they keep winning. How much is impossible to say since most of the computers do not show their work for how they arrived as their answer, and it's very difficult to tell how close Oregon is to jumping the team above them in each of the respective computers.
The ultimate conclusion here is that we seriously need the ND and FLA to continue to keep a wedge between us and Oregon. Provided all 3 teams keep winning, the human polls will make little difference unless everyone decides to be dickholes and rank either us or Oregon completely unfairly.
great post, should post in the glorious rankings (slightly less butthurt) thread
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Guise, I've spent all morning trying to do science and I'd like to offer a few friendly reminders as it pertains to the 3 areas in which our rankings are influenced:
Currently, our lead over Oregon sits at 0.0152 points.
First, lets look at a couple "worst case scenarios", based on the assumption that Bama, K State, and Oregon win out:
Bama continues to keep all 59 first place votes in the Coaches poll, Oregon gets all the 2nd place votes, and K State gets all the 3rd place votes. Our margin has shrunk from 0.0152 to 0.0126. In the Harris poll, Oregon improves to a unanimous 2nd, with K State a unanimous 3rd. Our margin shrinks from 0.0126 to 0.0107.
If Notre Dame LOSES, Oregon automatically gains 4 spots in the computer polls. Depending on which of our polls get thrown out for being the highest and the lowest, the Quatz either gain 2 or 4 spots in the computer polls. Playing debil's advocate, this means Oregon gains a net 2 spots in the computers over us, cutting our margin from .0107 to .0041.
In summation, a change in a team's single computer ranking carries 10x the points as a voter deciding to vote State #2 Ore #3. We do not have much more potential to improve in the computers...best case scenario we can only gain 6 points opposed to Oregon having the potential to gain 15. Realistically, as long as Bama stays #1, (and if they dont then that means they lost so we have nothing to worry about anyway) there will be little fluxuation with us and Oregon in the human polls, and the change will be mostly negligible. Inevitably, Oregon is going to gain ground in the computers provided they keep winning. How much is impossible to say since most of the computers do not show their work for how they arrived as their answer, and it's very difficult to tell how close Oregon is to jumping the team above them in each of the respective computers.
The ultimate conclusion here is that we seriously need the ND and FLA to continue to keep a wedge between us and Oregon. Provided all 3 teams keep winning, the human polls will make little difference unless everyone decides to be dickholes and rank either us or Oregon completely unfairly.
Can you explain this with charts and graphics? Most people are visual learners.
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How does pre jump Alabama SOS compare with Oregon's now? How does LSU compare with Oregon's remaining opponents? Gotta go. I'll look for answers when I return.
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Guise, I've spent all morning trying to do science and I'd like to offer a few friendly reminders as it pertains to the 3 areas in which our rankings are influenced:
Currently, our lead over Oregon sits at 0.0152 points.
First, lets look at a couple "worst case scenarios", based on the assumption that Bama, K State, and Oregon win out:
Bama continues to keep all 59 first place votes in the Coaches poll, Oregon gets all the 2nd place votes, and K State gets all the 3rd place votes. Our margin has shrunk from 0.0152 to 0.0126. In the Harris poll, Oregon improves to a unanimous 2nd, with K State a unanimous 3rd. Our margin shrinks from 0.0126 to 0.0107.
If Notre Dame LOSES, Oregon automatically gains 4 spots in the computer polls. Depending on which of our polls get thrown out for being the highest and the lowest, the Quatz either gain 2 or 4 spots in the computer polls. Playing debil's advocate, this means Oregon gains a net 2 spots in the computers over us, cutting our margin from .0107 to .0041.
In summation, a change in a team's single computer ranking carries 10x the points as a voter deciding to vote State #2 Ore #3. We do not have much more potential to improve in the computers...best case scenario we can only gain 6 points opposed to Oregon having the potential to gain 15. Realistically, as long as Bama stays #1, (and if they dont then that means they lost so we have nothing to worry about anyway) there will be little fluxuation with us and Oregon in the human polls, and the change will be mostly negligible. Inevitably, Oregon is going to gain ground in the computers provided they keep winning. How much is impossible to say since most of the computers do not show their work for how they arrived as their answer, and it's very difficult to tell how close Oregon is to jumping the team above them in each of the respective computers.
The ultimate conclusion here is that we seriously need the ND and FLA to continue to keep a wedge between us and Oregon. Provided all 3 teams keep winning, the human polls will make little difference unless everyone decides to be dickholes and rank either us or Oregon completely unfairly.
Hey bubba, that's some good stuff. Thank you for having such a productive morning!
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So basically ND losing does nothing in the human polls and only hurts us in the computer polls
The computer hit by a ND loss is more instant, but Oregon is GOING to leap ND in the computers over the next 3 weeks, even if they both win out...ND's schedule is dogshit...The meat of Oregons schedule is still up ahead
I don't see this happening. ND is just too far ahead of Oregon in the computers for the Ducks to catch up without a ND loss. Oregon's schedule is nowhere near as tough as people are making it out to be.
Don't count out Oregon State quite yet. If they win their next 2, UO/OSU will be for the North title. Corvallis is a tough place to play and I've seen a lot worse Beaver teams beat quality Oregon teams before
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Guise, I've spent all morning trying to do science and I'd like to offer a few friendly reminders as it pertains to the 3 areas in which our rankings are influenced:
Currently, our lead over Oregon sits at 0.0152 points.
First, lets look at a couple "worst case scenarios", based on the assumption that Bama, K State, and Oregon win out:
Bama continues to keep all 59 first place votes in the Coaches poll, Oregon gets all the 2nd place votes, and K State gets all the 3rd place votes. Our margin has shrunk from 0.0152 to 0.0126. In the Harris poll, Oregon improves to a unanimous 2nd, with K State a unanimous 3rd. Our margin shrinks from 0.0126 to 0.0107.
If Notre Dame LOSES, Oregon automatically gains 4 spots in the computer polls. Depending on which of our polls get thrown out for being the highest and the lowest, the Quatz either gain 2 or 4 spots in the computer polls. Playing debil's advocate, this means Oregon gains a net 2 spots in the computers over us, cutting our margin from .0107 to .0041.
In summation, a change in a team's single computer ranking carries 10x the points as a voter deciding to vote State #2 Ore #3. We do not have much more potential to improve in the computers...best case scenario we can only gain 6 points opposed to Oregon having the potential to gain 15. Realistically, as long as Bama stays #1, (and if they dont then that means they lost so we have nothing to worry about anyway) there will be little fluxuation with us and Oregon in the human polls, and the change will be mostly negligible. Inevitably, Oregon is going to gain ground in the computers provided they keep winning. How much is impossible to say since most of the computers do not show their work for how they arrived as their answer, and it's very difficult to tell how close Oregon is to jumping the team above them in each of the respective computers.
The ultimate conclusion here is that we seriously need the ND and FLA to continue to keep a wedge between us and Oregon. Provided all 3 teams keep winning, the human polls will make little difference unless everyone decides to be dickholes and rank either us or Oregon completely unfairly.
Worst case scenario (assuming we win out) is Ore does to the Pac 12 what any good team would do to the Pac 12 (win big, have def show up), Bama falters a bit with some really close games, and we just keep sawing wood - wining by 2-3 tds per game. Then we will begin to see Ore picking up some #1 votes, especially if there D plays better. In that scenario, I don't think we will jump Bama or Ore for any #1 votes, maybe a few #2s, but almost all #3s, and will be stuck playing Loserville in the nacho bowl.
Again, WORST case scenario for us winning out.
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It has been a great season so far huh guys? :emawkid:
Go Cats!
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Do we (the public) really not know how the computers calculate their results?
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Do we (the public) really not know how the computers calculate their results?
No we don't know how they get their results. Most (all?) of them claim that their version of the RPI is proprietary.
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if their formulas were public then we could have the possible results of the computers laid out by who beats who in all the games.
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Do we (the public) really not know how the computers calculate their results?
No we don't know how they get their results. Most (all?) of them claim that their version of the RPI is proprietary.
One is public. I think its the Colley Matrix.
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Maybe we should be sending bags of money to all of these computer dudes to just make us #1 on all their computer models and Oregon #10.
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So basically ND losing does nothing in the human polls and only hurts us in the computer polls
The computer hit by a ND loss is more instant, but Oregon is GOING to leap ND in the computers over the next 3 weeks, even if they both win out...ND's schedule is dogshit...The meat of Oregons schedule is still up ahead
I don't see this happening. ND is just too far ahead of Oregon in the computers for the Ducks to catch up without a ND loss. Oregon's schedule is nowhere near as tough as people are making it out to be.
Don't count out Oregon State quite yet. If they win their next 2, UO/OSU will be for the North title. Corvallis is a tough place to play and I've seen a lot worse Beaver teams beat quality Oregon teams before
No it's not, at least in the last 10 years. I was just there, no hope. Most OSU students are duck fans.
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So basically ND losing does nothing in the human polls and only hurts us in the computer polls
The computer hit by a ND loss is more instant, but Oregon is GOING to leap ND in the computers over the next 3 weeks, even if they both win out...ND's schedule is dogshit...The meat of Oregons schedule is still up ahead
I don't see this happening. ND is just too far ahead of Oregon in the computers for the Ducks to catch up without a ND loss. Oregon's schedule is nowhere near as tough as people are making it out to be.
Don't count out Oregon State quite yet. If they win their next 2, UO/OSU will be for the North title. Corvallis is a tough place to play and I've seen a lot worse Beaver teams beat quality Oregon teams before
No it's not, at least in the last 10 years. I was just there, no hope. Most OSU students are duck fans.
Maybe they are just really good at tsc and will root for the beavers with the Pac 12 North and a shot at a Rose Bowl berth on the line. :dunno:
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So basically ND losing does nothing in the human polls and only hurts us in the computer polls
The computer hit by a ND loss is more instant, but Oregon is GOING to leap ND in the computers over the next 3 weeks, even if they both win out...ND's schedule is dogshit...The meat of Oregons schedule is still up ahead
I don't see this happening. ND is just too far ahead of Oregon in the computers for the Ducks to catch up without a ND loss. Oregon's schedule is nowhere near as tough as people are making it out to be.
Don't count out Oregon State quite yet. If they win their next 2, UO/OSU will be for the North title. Corvallis is a tough place to play and I've seen a lot worse Beaver teams beat quality Oregon teams before
No it's not, at least in the last 10 years. I was just there, no hope. Most OSU students are duck fans.
They're 4 points from being undefeated and a top 8 team. They give up 18 ppg and throw for over 300 ypg. No one thought ISU had a chance against the Pokes last year, anything can happen in college sports.
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if their formulas were public then we could have the possible results of the computers laid out by who beats who in all the games.
which would be amazing
how would you like a weekly excel chart of exactly who to root for
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This may be naive, or seen through Purple glasses, but I think Stanford has a shot against Oregon...they area toughnosed team, I think they can come out & punch Oregon in the mouth, and they are also playing for a bid in the P12CC game.
Of course, I also think Johnny Football is gonna do us a solid & beat 'Bama this week soooo.....
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This may be naive, or seen through Purple glasses, but I think Stanford has a shot against Oregon...they area toughnosed team, I think they can come out & punch Oregon in the mouth, and they are also playing for a bid in the P12CC game.
Of course, I also think Johnny Football is gonna do us a solid & beat 'Bama this week soooo.....
Would you give Iowa State's defense a chance vs Oregon?
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This may be naive, or seen through Purple glasses, but I think Stanford has a shot against Oregon...they area toughnosed team, I think they can come out & punch Oregon in the mouth, and they are also playing for a bid in the P12CC game.
Of course, I also think Johnny Football is gonna do us a solid & beat 'Bama this week soooo.....
Thinking that any upset will happen is less crazy than think that none will.
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if their formulas were public then we could have the possible results of the computers laid out by who beats who in all the games.
which would be amazing
how would you like a weekly excel chart of exactly who to root for
or an app that gave you real time updates as games are ongoing :excited: :ohno:
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This may be naive, or seen through Purple glasses, but I think Stanford has a shot against Oregon...they area toughnosed team, I think they can come out & punch Oregon in the mouth, and they are also playing for a bid in the P12CC game.
Of course, I also think Johnny Football is gonna do us a solid & beat 'Bama this week soooo.....
Would you give Iowa State's defense a chance vs Oregon?
I would have when all of their linebackers were healthy. ISU wouldn't be able to score enough points, though, and even if ISU were able to be in a position to win late, Rhodes would probably screw it up in the end with a fake field goal or something.
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Maybe we should be sending bags of money to all of these computer dudes to just make us #1 on all their computer models and Oregon #10.
Yes, this. Totally objective. :kstategrad:
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Isn't the Oregon/Oregon State game usually pretty close? The mere glimpses of it that I have caught in the past have always been close games.
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Guise, I've spent all morning trying to do science and I'd like to offer a few friendly reminders as it pertains to the 3 areas in which our rankings are influenced:
Currently, our lead over Oregon sits at 0.0152 points.
First, lets look at a couple "worst case scenarios", based on the assumption that Bama, K State, and Oregon win out:
Bama continues to keep all 59 first place votes in the Coaches poll, Oregon gets all the 2nd place votes, and K State gets all the 3rd place votes. Our margin has shrunk from 0.0152 to 0.0126. In the Harris poll, Oregon improves to a unanimous 2nd, with K State a unanimous 3rd. Our margin shrinks from 0.0126 to 0.0107.
If Notre Dame LOSES, Oregon automatically gains 4 spots in the computer polls. Depending on which of our polls get thrown out for being the highest and the lowest, the Quatz either gain 2 or 4 spots in the computer polls. Playing debil's advocate, this means Oregon gains a net 2 spots in the computers over us, cutting our margin from .0107 to .0041.
In summation, a change in a team's single computer ranking carries 10x the points as a voter deciding to vote State #2 Ore #3. We do not have much more potential to improve in the computers...best case scenario we can only gain 6 points opposed to Oregon having the potential to gain 15. Realistically, as long as Bama stays #1, (and if they dont then that means they lost so we have nothing to worry about anyway) there will be little fluxuation with us and Oregon in the human polls, and the change will be mostly negligible. Inevitably, Oregon is going to gain ground in the computers provided they keep winning. How much is impossible to say since most of the computers do not show their work for how they arrived as their answer, and it's very difficult to tell how close Oregon is to jumping the team above them in each of the respective computers.
The ultimate conclusion here is that we seriously need the ND and FLA to continue to keep a wedge between us and Oregon. Provided all 3 teams keep winning, the human polls will make little difference unless everyone decides to be dickholes and rank either us or Oregon completely unfairly.
Can you explain this with charts and graphics? Most people are visual learners.
Good call:
Harris Voter who changed their mind and put KSU 2 ORE 3: :thumbs:
Coach who changed their mind and put KSU 2 ORE 3: :thumbs: :thumbs:
Computer (pick one, Sagarin for example) who put us from 3 to 2: :thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs:
The only problem is not knowing how the computers will change, or how close they are to changing. For what it's worth, most of them have stayed pretty consistent over the last 3 weeks although it doesn't leave K State much room to improve. We know what the chances are of voters changing their minds...it happens all the time. Cats picked up 40 extra votes beating TT, but only 4 beating OSU. Colley Matrix is the only one that publishes and explains/defends its formulas, but it's a complicated set of formulae and matricies. CM is kind enough to let you see what would happen if you could add a win to your team's record, which helps somewhat. Since it's an iterative process you have to know what happened in ALL of college football to know what they new ranking will be, but as an example just looking at things in a vacuume, Cats beating TCU helps our CM rating more than ORE beatint CAL.
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Guise, I've spent all morning trying to do science and I'd like to offer a few friendly reminders as it pertains to the 3 areas in which our rankings are influenced:
Currently, our lead over Oregon sits at 0.0152 points.
First, lets look at a couple "worst case scenarios", based on the assumption that Bama, K State, and Oregon win out:
Bama continues to keep all 59 first place votes in the Coaches poll, Oregon gets all the 2nd place votes, and K State gets all the 3rd place votes. Our margin has shrunk from 0.0152 to 0.0126. In the Harris poll, Oregon improves to a unanimous 2nd, with K State a unanimous 3rd. Our margin shrinks from 0.0126 to 0.0107.
If Notre Dame LOSES, Oregon automatically gains 4 spots in the computer polls. Depending on which of our polls get thrown out for being the highest and the lowest, the Quatz either gain 2 or 4 spots in the computer polls. Playing debil's advocate, this means Oregon gains a net 2 spots in the computers over us, cutting our margin from .0107 to .0041.
In summation, a change in a team's single computer ranking carries 10x the points as a voter deciding to vote State #2 Ore #3. We do not have much more potential to improve in the computers...best case scenario we can only gain 6 points opposed to Oregon having the potential to gain 15. Realistically, as long as Bama stays #1, (and if they dont then that means they lost so we have nothing to worry about anyway) there will be little fluxuation with us and Oregon in the human polls, and the change will be mostly negligible. Inevitably, Oregon is going to gain ground in the computers provided they keep winning. How much is impossible to say since most of the computers do not show their work for how they arrived as their answer, and it's very difficult to tell how close Oregon is to jumping the team above them in each of the respective computers.
The ultimate conclusion here is that we seriously need the ND and FLA to continue to keep a wedge between us and Oregon. Provided all 3 teams keep winning, the human polls will make little difference unless everyone decides to be dickholes and rank either us or Oregon completely unfairly.
Can you explain this with charts and graphics? Most people are visual learners.
Good call:
Harris Voter who changed their mind and put KSU 2 ORE 3: :thumbs:
Coach who changed their mind and put KSU 2 ORE 3: :thumbs: :thumbs:
Computer (pick one, Sagarin for example) who put us from 3 to 2: :thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs:
The only problem is not knowing how the computers will change, or how close they are to changing. For what it's worth, most of them have stayed pretty consistent over the last 3 weeks although it doesn't leave K State much room to improve. We know what the chances are of voters changing their minds...it happens all the time. Cats picked up 40 extra votes beating TT, but only 4 beating OSU. Colley Matrix is the only one that publishes and explains/defends its formulas, but it's a complicated set of formulae and matricies. CM is kind enough to let you see what would happen if you could add a win to your team's record, which helps somewhat. Since it's an iterative process you have to know what happened in ALL of college football to know what they new ranking will be, but as an example just looking at things in a vacuume, Cats beating TCU helps our CM rating more than ORE beatint CAL.
So, I thought the Human polls were 2/3 of the vote...shouldn't they get more thumbs?
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Guise, I've spent all morning trying to do science and I'd like to offer a few friendly reminders as it pertains to the 3 areas in which our rankings are influenced:
Currently, our lead over Oregon sits at 0.0152 points.
First, lets look at a couple "worst case scenarios", based on the assumption that Bama, K State, and Oregon win out:
Bama continues to keep all 59 first place votes in the Coaches poll, Oregon gets all the 2nd place votes, and K State gets all the 3rd place votes. Our margin has shrunk from 0.0152 to 0.0126. In the Harris poll, Oregon improves to a unanimous 2nd, with K State a unanimous 3rd. Our margin shrinks from 0.0126 to 0.0107.
If Notre Dame LOSES, Oregon automatically gains 4 spots in the computer polls. Depending on which of our polls get thrown out for being the highest and the lowest, the Quatz either gain 2 or 4 spots in the computer polls. Playing debil's advocate, this means Oregon gains a net 2 spots in the computers over us, cutting our margin from .0107 to .0041.
In summation, a change in a team's single computer ranking carries 10x the points as a voter deciding to vote State #2 Ore #3. We do not have much more potential to improve in the computers...best case scenario we can only gain 6 points opposed to Oregon having the potential to gain 15. Realistically, as long as Bama stays #1, (and if they dont then that means they lost so we have nothing to worry about anyway) there will be little fluxuation with us and Oregon in the human polls, and the change will be mostly negligible. Inevitably, Oregon is going to gain ground in the computers provided they keep winning. How much is impossible to say since most of the computers do not show their work for how they arrived as their answer, and it's very difficult to tell how close Oregon is to jumping the team above them in each of the respective computers.
The ultimate conclusion here is that we seriously need the ND and FLA to continue to keep a wedge between us and Oregon. Provided all 3 teams keep winning, the human polls will make little difference unless everyone decides to be dickholes and rank either us or Oregon completely unfairly.
Can you explain this with charts and graphics? Most people are visual learners.
Good call:
Harris Voter who changed their mind and put KSU 2 ORE 3: :thumbs:
Coach who changed their mind and put KSU 2 ORE 3: :thumbs: :thumbs:
Computer (pick one, Sagarin for example) who put us from 3 to 2: :thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs:
The only problem is not knowing how the computers will change, or how close they are to changing. For what it's worth, most of them have stayed pretty consistent over the last 3 weeks although it doesn't leave K State much room to improve. We know what the chances are of voters changing their minds...it happens all the time. Cats picked up 40 extra votes beating TT, but only 4 beating OSU. Colley Matrix is the only one that publishes and explains/defends its formulas, but it's a complicated set of formulae and matricies. CM is kind enough to let you see what would happen if you could add a win to your team's record, which helps somewhat. Since it's an iterative process you have to know what happened in ALL of college football to know what they new ranking will be, but as an example just looking at things in a vacuume, Cats beating TCU helps our CM rating more than ORE beatint CAL.
So, I thought the Human polls were 2/3 of the vote...shouldn't they get more thumbs?
not on a person by person basis. Of the 59 and 115 voters in the Coaches/Harris polls, it would take 16 and 33 voters changing their vote as described to have the same impact of us improving 1 spot in a computer poll (provided that computer poll doesn't become the "high" or "low" and get thrown out).
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there are many more voters than computers
59 coaches
115 members of Harris poll
6 computers (only 4 count)
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what complicates it more is that improving in human vs computer polls is not counted equally. If we gain 40 points in the coaches poll, that automatically translates to 40x0.0002 = +0.0080 in our BCS ranking. Although lets say we go from 318.7 to 324.6 in the Billingsley Poll, well if last week 318.7 was good for 3rd place and this week 324.6 drops us to 4th, then even though we gained points in that poll, we still drop a spot in the computers and thus our BCS ranking loses 0.0033 pts.
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This may be naive, or seen through Purple glasses, but I think Stanford has a shot against Oregon...they area toughnosed team, I think they can come out & punch Oregon in the mouth, and they are also playing for a bid in the P12CC game.
Of course, I also think Johnny Football is gonna do us a solid & beat 'Bama this week soooo.....
Thinking that any upset will happen is less crazy than think that none will.
:thumbs:
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30-35% chance Bama and Oregon go undefeated. Since nobody can figure out the bcs its safe to assume it's a toss up whether or not Oregon passes us. Altogether if KSU goes undefeated, 80% chance we are in.
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I did a little math:
Assuming ND loses and falls behind Oregon, we gain in two polls, but Oregon gains in six. If both KSU and Oregon pass ND in all polls (and no other teams move), our computer ranking would go from .940 to .960, while Oregon's would go from .850 to .890. That would give Oregon a .0048 point lead over us, assuming the poll gap stays consistent. .0048 BCS points translates into approximately 7 coaches poll points OR 14 Harris Poll points that we would need to close the gap.
What happens to Florida is almost as important as ND, really.
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30-35% chance Bama and Oregon go undefeated. Since nobody can figure out the bcs its safe to assume it's a toss up whether or not Oregon passes us. Altogether if KSU goes undefeated, 80% chance we are in.
80%. Not good enough.
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probably ok_luke or luke_cat
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/20853257
hint: we're way ahead
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probably ok_luke or luke_cat
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/20853257
hint: we're way ahead
that's really interesting, and not so much because of KSU kicking unbelievable amounts of ass.
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probably ok_luke or luke_cat
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/20853257
hint: we're way ahead
that's really interesting, and not so much because of KSU kicking unbelievable amounts of ass.
Yeah, I may have to stop talking about how much ND is overrated after that. At least, I would expect people to stop saying we're overrated after they vote for us in that poll.
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probably ok_luke or luke_cat
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/20853257
hint: we're way ahead
that's really interesting, and not so much because of KSU kicking unbelievable amounts of ass.
Yeah, I may have to stop talking about how much ND is overrated after that. At least, I would expect people to stop saying we're overrated after they vote for us in that poll.
i have heard zero people say we are overrated. most say oregon will probably eventually overtake us, but the consensus is we belong at #2 now.
and you are right about ND :sdeek:
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Awesome. The world needs to see this.
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Awesome. The world needs to see this.
sorry for the luke (new topic) but,
The world needs to see this.
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I did a little math:
Assuming ND loses and falls behind Oregon, we gain in two polls, but Oregon gains in six. If both KSU and Oregon pass ND in all polls (and no other teams move), our computer ranking would go from .940 to .960, while Oregon's would go from .850 to .890. That would give Oregon a .0048 point lead over us, assuming the poll gap stays consistent. .0048 BCS points translates into approximately 7 coaches poll points OR 14 Harris Poll points that we would need to close the gap.
What happens to Florida is almost as important as ND, really.
if the human votes stay the same, your math is wrong....given what you stated (our computer at .96 Oregon at .89) we stay well ahead of Oregon
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I still just want everyone to lose. When we win the MNC I don't want any motherfuckers to ever be able to have a beef. At all.
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I did a little math:
Assuming ND loses and falls behind Oregon, we gain in two polls, but Oregon gains in six. If both KSU and Oregon pass ND in all polls (and no other teams move), our computer ranking would go from .940 to .960, while Oregon's would go from .850 to .890. That would give Oregon a .0048 point lead over us, assuming the poll gap stays consistent. .0048 BCS points translates into approximately 7 coaches poll points OR 14 Harris Poll points that we would need to close the gap.
What happens to Florida is almost as important as ND, really.
if the human votes stay the same, your math is wrong....given what you stated (our computer at .96 Oregon at .89) we stay well ahead of Oregon
oh crap, you're right:
Now:
KSU: .9318
UO: .9166
Computers only change:
KSU: .9385
UO: .9299
It takes a shitload of voters changing their mind for Oregon to make that up (100 Harris points ~= .0117 BCS points; 100 Coaches points ~= .0267 BCS points)
:cool:
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Oregon's computer ranking is going to go way up.
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Oregon's computer ranking is going to go way up.
How?
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Oregon's computer ranking is going to go way up.
How?
I don't think they can pass us in any poll and that's what is important. If the human polls stay the same, the only way Oregon catches us is to be ONE spot lower than us in every computer. That said, Bama jumped SEVEN spots by barely (yes i know MOV isn't counted) winning ONE game.
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Oregon's computer ranking is going to go way up.
How?
I don't think they can pass us in any poll and that's what is important. If the human polls stay the same, the only way Oregon catches us is to be ONE spot lower than us in every computer. That said, Bama jumped SEVEN spots by barely (yes i know MOV isn't counted) winning ONE game.
Alabama played a team pretty high in every poll. Oregon isn't playing anyone in the top ten in the computers. If Stanford beats Oregon State this weekend, it will almost guarantee that.
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. That said, Bama jumped SEVEN spots by barely (yes i know MOV isn't counted) winning ONE game.
They also played someone ranked in the top 10 in all computers. Oregon won't have that opportunity, and each game has less impact on computers from here on.
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Oregon not playing everyone in their conference makes it harder to figure what their computer rankings will do.They will go up but if conference teams they have beat lose to conference teams they don't play it shouldn't go up as much and nd beating usc is a must.Damn you OU and OSU for your OOC loses,and the squawks too.
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Oregon not playing everyone in their conference makes it harder to figure what their computer rankings will do.They will go up but if conference teams they have beat lose to conference teams they don't play it shouldn't go up as much and nd beating usc is a must.Damn you OU and OSU for your OOC loses,and the squawks too.
You can look at the computer rankings of who they still have to play and get a pretty good idea.
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Oregon not playing everyone in their conference makes it harder to figure what their computer rankings will do.They will go up but if conference teams they have beat lose to conference teams they don't play it shouldn't go up as much and nd beating usc is a must.Damn you OU and OSU for your OOC loses,and the squawks too.
You can look at the computer rankings of who they still have to play and get a pretty good idea.
Yes. Even with the extra game vs a top 20 (or so) ucla/usc, their SOS is only marginally better than ksu's
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Oregon not playing everyone in their conference makes it harder to figure what their computer rankings will do.They will go up but if conference teams they have beat lose to conference teams they don't play it shouldn't go up as much and nd beating usc is a must.Damn you OU and OSU for your OOC loses,and the squawks too.
You can look at the computer rankings of who they still have to play and get a pretty good idea.
Yes. Even with the extra game vs a top 20 (or so) ucla/usc, their SOS is only marginally better than ksu's
If that's true then they pass us in the computers. I don't think it's true.
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Oregon not playing everyone in their conference makes it harder to figure what their computer rankings will do.They will go up but if conference teams they have beat lose to conference teams they don't play it shouldn't go up as much and nd beating usc is a must.Damn you OU and OSU for your OOC loses,and the squawks too.
You can look at the computer rankings of who they still have to play and get a pretty good idea.
Yes. Even with the extra game vs a top 20 (or so) ucla/usc, their SOS is only marginally better than ksu's
who cares? we already know they aren't passing us in the computers, they just need to pass everyone but us (and alabama)
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Oregon not playing everyone in their conference makes it harder to figure what their computer rankings will do.They will go up but if conference teams they have beat lose to conference teams they don't play it shouldn't go up as much and nd beating usc is a must.Damn you OU and OSU for your OOC loses,and the squawks too.
You can look at the computer rankings of who they still have to play and get a pretty good idea.
Yes. Even with the extra game vs a top 20 (or so) ucla/usc, their SOS is only marginally better than ksu's
Do you mean on the remaining schedule or overall schedule?
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When Alabama played LSU, they were at .93 and LSU was at .79. Afterward, Alabama went to .99. When we played Tech, we were at .94 and they were at .66. As a result of that game, we moved up to .97. Currently, Oregon is at .85, Stanford is at .55, and Oregon State is at .69. How much Oregon's rankings will increase isn't a straightforward thing, of course, but it seems like they've got a lot of ground to make up and need like three big jumps to be able to do it.
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Oregon not playing everyone in their conference makes it harder to figure what their computer rankings will do.They will go up but if conference teams they have beat lose to conference teams they don't play it shouldn't go up as much and nd beating usc is a must.Damn you OU and OSU for your OOC loses,and the squawks too.
You can look at the computer rankings of who they still have to play and get a pretty good idea.
Yes. Even with the extra game vs a top 20 (or so) ucla/usc, their SOS is only marginally better than ksu's
If that's true then they pass us in the computers. I don't think it's true.
I think he just meant their remaining SOS. they don't have anything remotely equivalent to the schedule we have already played.
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Oregon not playing everyone in their conference makes it harder to figure what their computer rankings will do.They will go up but if conference teams they have beat lose to conference teams they don't play it shouldn't go up as much and nd beating usc is a must.Damn you OU and OSU for your OOC loses,and the squawks too.
You can look at the computer rankings of who they still have to play and get a pretty good idea.
Yes. Even with the extra game vs a top 20 (or so) ucla/usc, their SOS is only marginally better than ksu's
If that's true then they pass us in the computers. I don't think it's true.
Sorry, I meant their remaining schedule is only marginally better than our remaining schedule
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What is Tejas's computer SOS? They beat an SEC team. If we beat down a 9-2 bevo like a little bitch how big of an impact will that be?
Just thinking outloud. :blah:
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What is Tejas's computer SOS? They beat an SEC team. If we beat down a 9-2 bevo like a little bitch how big of an impact will that be?
Just thinking outloud. :blah:
It will be as good or better than whatever joke UO faces in their championship game. Would be great if UT wins out and we roll them. It may even be imperative.
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What is Tejas's computer SOS? They beat an SEC team. If we beat down a 9-2 bevo like a little bitch how big of an impact will that be?
Just thinking outloud. :blah:
It will be as good or better than whatever joke UO faces in their championship game. Would be great if UT wins out and we roll them. It may even be imperative.
If Texas wins their next two games, before we curb stomp'em. How highly could they be ranked come Dec. 1st?
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What is Tejas's computer SOS? They beat an SEC team. If we beat down a 9-2 bevo like a little bitch how big of an impact will that be?
Just thinking outloud. :blah:
It will be as good or better than whatever joke UO faces in their championship game. Would be great if UT wins out and we roll them. It may even be imperative.
If Texas wins their next two games, before we curb stomp'em. How highly could they be ranked come Dec. 1st?
I would think a team named Texas with 2 losses at the end of the season would be top 15.
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I would think a team named Texas with 2 losses at the end of the season would be top 15.
for sure considering texas is #17 in the BCS right now. above them is texas a&m (#15) who plays alabama this weekend. stanford (#14) who still have oregon st, oregon and ucla to play, clemson (#13) still has to play south carolina (#8), oregon st (#11) still has the game with stanford and oregon, louisville (#9) finishes off the season playing rutgers, and florida (#6) and florida state (#10) play each other. so if texas can put two impressive wins together (both games are in austin) maybe they can fool people into thinking they are good before we crush them.
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I would think a team named Texas with 2 losses at the end of the season would be top 15.
for sure considering texas is #17 in the BCS right now. above them is texas a&m (#15) who plays alabama this weekend. stanford (#14) who still have oregon st, oregon and ucla to play, clemson (#13) still has to play south carolina (#8), oregon st (#11) still has the game with stanford and oregon, louisville (#9) finishes off the season playing rutgers, and florida (#6) and florida state (#10) play each other. so if texas can put two impressive wins together (both games are in austin) maybe they can fool people into thinking they are good before we crush them.
Agree. It's unlikely, but it would be nice if they could somehow be #10. A big win over #10 seems so much better than even #11
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Yeah would be nice. Hopefully texas doesnt mess it up
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This would be Texas’ big revenge on us. They can't beat us on the field so they will bow the next two games to screw is in the BCS.
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If Texas isn't knocking on the top 10 when we play them, it's because either A&M beat Alabama or Stanford or Oregon State beat Oregon.
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I would think a team named Texas with 2 losses at the end of the season would be top 15.
for sure considering texas is #17 in the BCS right now. above them is texas a&m (#15) who plays alabama this weekend. stanford (#14) who still have oregon st, oregon and ucla to play, clemson (#13) still has to play south carolina (#8), oregon st (#11) still has the game with stanford and oregon, louisville (#9) finishes off the season playing rutgers, and florida (#6) and florida state (#10) play each other. so if texas can put two impressive wins together (both games are in austin) maybe they can fool people into thinking they are good before we crush them.
Are all of these games (and potential losses for teams higher than Texas) actually being played the week before? Because obvz, if some are the same weekend as the CTR they won't help vault Texas upward. I feel like some might be the same weekend. Tell me I'm wrong plz.
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Are all of these games (and potential losses for teams higher than Texas) actually being played the week before? Because obvz, if some are the same weekend as the CTR they won't help vault Texas upward. I feel like some might be the same weekend. Tell me I'm wrong plz.
I think you are wrong. We play Texas the same weekend as all the conference championships.
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:crossfingers:
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Are all of these games (and potential losses for teams higher than Texas) actually being played the week before? Because obvz, if some are the same weekend as the CTR they won't help vault Texas upward. I feel like some might be the same weekend. Tell me I'm wrong plz.
I think you are wrong. We play Texas the same weekend as all the conference championships.
There is a couple of WTF games that day due to Issac. The biggest WTF is Nichols State @ Oregon State scheduled for the Saturday after the Pac 12 champ game that the Beavers have a shot at playing in.
Maybe OregonHawk can shed some light on what the plan is for that game.
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Are all of these games (and potential losses for teams higher than Texas) actually being played the week before? Because obvz, if some are the same weekend as the CTR they won't help vault Texas upward. I feel like some might be the same weekend. Tell me I'm wrong plz.
I think you are wrong. We play Texas the same weekend as all the conference championships.
There is a couple of WTF games that day due to Issac. The biggest WTF is Nichols State @ Oregon State scheduled for the Saturday after the Pac 12 champ game that the Beavers have a shot at playing in.
Maybe OregonHawk can shed some light on what the plan is for that game.
They're going to skip the Nichols St game if they make the championship.
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:lol: at this thread
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yeah, lock this stupid ass thread up. we aren't getting passed over by any pud teams.
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:thumbs:
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We'll screw ourselves over and lose to a team we shouldn't. In the history of the BCS, there was only one year in which more than two BCS conference teams (including ND) went undefeated. It's way, way more likely that we're upset than that we're a third undefated team that was screwed by the BCS. The former happens to multiple teams in our position every year. The latter happened one time.
This post never should have been merged to the butthurt thread. The GOP neocon mods have again ignored the numbers and taken this site beyond kstatefansy and into GPC territory. Fitz just won.