Master KSU Butthurt About Being Passed Over Eventually Thread

[EllRobersonisInnocent]

We have damn near 100 point lead in the Coaches poll over ND, its safe to say ND is 4th in the majority of the voters polls

[scottwildcat]

man oh man....I'm going to melt down so hard when we get passed up for the natty. 

[EMAWesome]

What I wonder is if any program has ever had a "Vote for KSU" push, the way schools pimp Heisman hopefuls to the voters...if nobody has done it before, we should lead the pack by putting together a pamphlet highlighting all the reasons to vote KSU over Oregon on their ballots...besides the obvious SOS & other factors, I think voters could be swayed by a vote for LHCBS to finally get his shot angle...

and Alabama.

Agreed, but 'Bama is entrenched as the consensus #1...no amount of advertising is going to sway the voters to move them off the #1 line...BUT if somehting like this was put together I agree, it should be worded as "Vote KSU #1" as opposed to "Vote KSU #2"

[Trim]

What I wonder is if any program has ever had a "Vote for KSU" push, the way schools pimp Heisman hopefuls to the voters...if nobody has done it before, we should lead the pack by putting together a pamphlet highlighting all the reasons to vote KSU over Oregon on their ballots...besides the obvious SOS & other factors, I think voters could be swayed by a vote for LHCBS to finally get his shot angle...

and Alabama.

Agreed, but 'Bama is entrenched as the consensus #1...no amount of advertising is going to sway the voters to move them off the #1 line...BUT if somehting like this was put together I agree, it should be worded as "Vote KSU #1" as opposed to "Vote KSU #2"

It seems like Alabama not being #1-worthy (regardless of what happened in 2011) is as strong of a point as anything.  I was actually talking about this with The Ed last night.  I'd like to think that before the final vote is turned in, voters think "wait, why do I presume Alabama is #1?"

[EMAWesome]

What I wonder is if any program has ever had a "Vote for KSU" push, the way schools pimp Heisman hopefuls to the voters...if nobody has done it before, we should lead the pack by putting together a pamphlet highlighting all the reasons to vote KSU over Oregon on their ballots...besides the obvious SOS & other factors, I think voters could be swayed by a vote for LHCBS to finally get his shot angle...

and Alabama.

Agreed, but 'Bama is entrenched as the consensus #1...no amount of advertising is going to sway the voters to move them off the #1 line...BUT if somehting like this was put together I agree, it should be worded as "Vote KSU #1" as opposed to "Vote KSU #2"

It seems like Alabama not being #1-worthy (regardless of what happened in 2011) is as strong of a point as anything.  I was actually talking about this with The Ed last night.  I'd like to think that before the final vote is turned in, voters think "wait, why do I presume Alabama is #1?"

I would like to think that, but mob mentality is a difficult thing to overcome. It's also nearly impossible for a sports writer/voter to admit their previous ballots were a mistake without the team they voted on receiving a L

[KITNfury]

What I wonder is if any program has ever had a "Vote for KSU" push, the way schools pimp Heisman hopefuls to the voters...if nobody has done it before, we should lead the pack by putting together a pamphlet highlighting all the reasons to vote KSU over Oregon on their ballots...besides the obvious SOS & other factors, I think voters could be swayed by a vote for LHCBS to finally get his shot angle...

and Alabama.

Agreed, but 'Bama is entrenched as the consensus #1...no amount of advertising is going to sway the voters to move them off the #1 line...BUT if somehting like this was put together I agree, it should be worded as "Vote KSU #1" as opposed to "Vote KSU #2"

It seems like Alabama not being #1-worthy (regardless of what happened in 2011) is as strong of a point as anything.  I was actually talking about this with The Ed last night.  I'd like to think that before the final vote is turned in, voters think "wait, why do I presume Alabama is #1?"

I don't think its a horibble idea but to do anything with games left won't happen. The athletic department won't risk looking like tards if we lose. Imo, they actually should put something together and figure out a way to have it in the hands of all the voters 5 minutes after we wax Texas. We have a lot of reasons to be voted higher. Our offense is respected but is outrageously under valued.

[EMAWesome]

What I wonder is if any program has ever had a "Vote for KSU" push, the way schools pimp Heisman hopefuls to the voters...if nobody has done it before, we should lead the pack by putting together a pamphlet highlighting all the reasons to vote KSU over Oregon on their ballots...besides the obvious SOS & other factors, I think voters could be swayed by a vote for LHCBS to finally get his shot angle...

and Alabama.

Agreed, but 'Bama is entrenched as the consensus #1...no amount of advertising is going to sway the voters to move them off the #1 line...BUT if somehting like this was put together I agree, it should be worded as "Vote KSU #1" as opposed to "Vote KSU #2"

It seems like Alabama not being #1-worthy (regardless of what happened in 2011) is as strong of a point as anything.  I was actually talking about this with The Ed last night.  I'd like to think that before the final vote is turned in, voters think "wait, why do I presume Alabama is #1?"

I don't think its a horibble idea but to do anything with games left won't happen. The athletic department won't risk looking like tards if we lose. Imo, they actually should put something together and figure out a way to have it in the hands of all the voters 5 minutes after we wax Texas. We have a lot of reasons to be voted higher. Our offense is respected but is outrageously under valued.

Wouldn't be hard to have a pdf all made up & ready to be email blasted to all Harris/Coaches poll voters.

Hell, WE could do that even?! It isn't like the voters identity is secret

[michigancat]

We have damn near 100 point lead in the Coaches poll over ND, its safe to say ND is 4th in the majority of the voters polls

the margin between us and ND doesn't matter - what matters is how many voters have us ranked UO-ND-KSU vs. KSU-ND-UO.

[EMAWesome]

We have damn near 100 point lead in the Coaches poll over ND, its safe to say ND is 4th in the majority of the voters polls

the margin between us and ND doesn't matter - what matters is how many voters have us ranked UO-ND-KSU vs. KSU-ND-UO.

I'd say very, very few votrs have the latter

MOST
OU-KSU-ND


KSU-OU-ND




OU-ND-KSU








KSU-ND-OU














ND-OU-KSU
LEAST

[EllRobersonisInnocent]

We have damn near 100 point lead in the Coaches poll over ND, its safe to say ND is 4th in the majority of the voters polls

the margin between us and ND doesn't matter - what matters is how many voters have us ranked UO-ND-KSU vs. KSU-ND-UO.

If ND is 4th in 90% of the ballots then you have a moot point. Maybe only 5 people have polls UO-ND-KSU and KSU-ND-UO

[EllRobersonisInnocent]

So basically ND losing does nothing in the human polls and only hurts us in the computer polls

[SleepFighter]

We need to start letting Klein make on-field heart-felt speeches after every game.

[EMAWesome]

So basically ND losing does nothing in the human polls and only hurts us in the computer polls

The computer hit by a ND loss is more instant, but Oregon is GOING to leap ND in the computers over the next 3 weeks, even if they both win out...ND's schedule is dogshit...The meat of Oregons schedule is still up ahead

[mocat]

I honestly think Oregon just had their "WVU vs Baylor" type game, and much like WV's defense was, UO's defense was exposed big-time. The problem is, the next 2 possible Oregon-beaters have zero offense (Stanford & OrSt). Oregon will not be tested defensively again this season. Cal actually has very comparable offense to Stanford & OrSt, but does not have the defense for the game to matter. Oregon will not be tested again this season by a team with a powerful offense + respectable defense. They passed their "Baylor test" 62-51, very similarly to WV 70-63. There just simply isn't a TTU or KSU or even TCU type team to challenge Oregon again the rest of the season.

[Rage Against the McKee]

So basically ND losing does nothing in the human polls and only hurts us in the computer polls

The computer hit by a ND loss is more instant, but Oregon is GOING to leap ND in the computers over the next 3 weeks, even if they both win out...ND's schedule is dogshit...The meat of Oregons schedule is still up ahead

I don't see this happening. ND is just too far ahead of Oregon in the computers for the Ducks to catch up without a ND loss. Oregon's schedule is nowhere near as tough as people are making it out to be.

[BIG APPLE CAT]

Guise, I've spent all morning trying to do science and I'd like to offer a few friendly reminders as it pertains to the 3 areas in which our rankings are influenced:
Currently, our lead over Oregon sits at 0.0152 points. 
First, lets look at a couple "worst case scenarios", based on the assumption that Bama, K State, and Oregon win out:
Bama continues to keep all 59 first place votes in the Coaches poll, Oregon gets all the 2nd place votes, and K State gets all the 3rd place votes.  Our margin has shrunk from 0.0152 to 0.0126.  In the Harris poll, Oregon improves to a unanimous 2nd, with K State a unanimous 3rd.  Our margin shrinks from 0.0126 to 0.0107.
If Notre Dame LOSES, Oregon automatically gains 4 spots in the computer polls.  Depending on which of our polls get thrown out for being the highest and the lowest, the Quatz either gain 2 or 4 spots in the computer polls.  Playing debil's advocate, this means Oregon gains a net 2 spots in the computers over us, cutting our margin from .0107 to .0041.

In summation, a change in a team's single computer ranking carries 10x the points as a voter deciding to vote State #2 Ore #3.  We do not have much more potential to improve in the computers...best case scenario we can only gain 6 points opposed to Oregon having the potential to gain 15.  Realistically, as long as Bama stays #1, (and if they dont then that means they lost so we have nothing to worry about anyway) there will be little fluxuation with us and Oregon in the human polls, and the change will be mostly negligible.  Inevitably, Oregon is going to gain ground in the computers provided they keep winning.  How much is impossible to say since most of the computers do not show their work for how they arrived as their answer, and it's very difficult to tell how close Oregon is to jumping the team above them in each of the respective computers. 
The ultimate conclusion here is that we seriously need the ND and FLA to continue to keep a wedge between us and Oregon.  Provided all 3 teams keep winning, the human polls will make little difference unless everyone decides to be dickholes and rank either us or Oregon completely unfairly.

[ksucrcoop]

Guise, I've spent all morning trying to do science and I'd like to offer a few friendly reminders as it pertains to the 3 areas in which our rankings are influenced:
Currently, our lead over Oregon sits at 0.0152 points. 
First, lets look at a couple "worst case scenarios", based on the assumption that Bama, K State, and Oregon win out:
Bama continues to keep all 59 first place votes in the Coaches poll, Oregon gets all the 2nd place votes, and K State gets all the 3rd place votes.  Our margin has shrunk from 0.0152 to 0.0126.  In the Harris poll, Oregon improves to a unanimous 2nd, with K State a unanimous 3rd.  Our margin shrinks from 0.0126 to 0.0107.
If Notre Dame LOSES, Oregon automatically gains 4 spots in the computer polls.  Depending on which of our polls get thrown out for being the highest and the lowest, the Quatz either gain 2 or 4 spots in the computer polls.  Playing debil's advocate, this means Oregon gains a net 2 spots in the computers over us, cutting our margin from .0107 to .0041.

In summation, a change in a team's single computer ranking carries 10x the points as a voter deciding to vote State #2 Ore #3.  We do not have much more potential to improve in the computers...best case scenario we can only gain 6 points opposed to Oregon having the potential to gain 15.  Realistically, as long as Bama stays #1, (and if they dont then that means they lost so we have nothing to worry about anyway) there will be little fluxuation with us and Oregon in the human polls, and the change will be mostly negligible.  Inevitably, Oregon is going to gain ground in the computers provided they keep winning.  How much is impossible to say since most of the computers do not show their work for how they arrived as their answer, and it's very difficult to tell how close Oregon is to jumping the team above them in each of the respective computers. 
The ultimate conclusion here is that we seriously need the ND and FLA to continue to keep a wedge between us and Oregon.  Provided all 3 teams keep winning, the human polls will make little difference unless everyone decides to be dickholes and rank either us or Oregon completely unfairly.

...so butthurt

[steve dave]

Guise, I've spent all morning trying to do science and I'd like to offer a few friendly reminders as it pertains to the 3 areas in which our rankings are influenced:
Currently, our lead over Oregon sits at 0.0152 points. 
First, lets look at a couple "worst case scenarios", based on the assumption that Bama, K State, and Oregon win out:
Bama continues to keep all 59 first place votes in the Coaches poll, Oregon gets all the 2nd place votes, and K State gets all the 3rd place votes.  Our margin has shrunk from 0.0152 to 0.0126.  In the Harris poll, Oregon improves to a unanimous 2nd, with K State a unanimous 3rd.  Our margin shrinks from 0.0126 to 0.0107.
If Notre Dame LOSES, Oregon automatically gains 4 spots in the computer polls.  Depending on which of our polls get thrown out for being the highest and the lowest, the Quatz either gain 2 or 4 spots in the computer polls.  Playing debil's advocate, this means Oregon gains a net 2 spots in the computers over us, cutting our margin from .0107 to .0041.

In summation, a change in a team's single computer ranking carries 10x the points as a voter deciding to vote State #2 Ore #3.  We do not have much more potential to improve in the computers...best case scenario we can only gain 6 points opposed to Oregon having the potential to gain 15.  Realistically, as long as Bama stays #1, (and if they dont then that means they lost so we have nothing to worry about anyway) there will be little fluxuation with us and Oregon in the human polls, and the change will be mostly negligible.  Inevitably, Oregon is going to gain ground in the computers provided they keep winning.  How much is impossible to say since most of the computers do not show their work for how they arrived as their answer, and it's very difficult to tell how close Oregon is to jumping the team above them in each of the respective computers. 
The ultimate conclusion here is that we seriously need the ND and FLA to continue to keep a wedge between us and Oregon.  Provided all 3 teams keep winning, the human polls will make little difference unless everyone decides to be dickholes and rank either us or Oregon completely unfairly.

great post, should post in the glorious rankings (slightly less butthurt) thread

[Emo EMAW]

Guise, I've spent all morning trying to do science and I'd like to offer a few friendly reminders as it pertains to the 3 areas in which our rankings are influenced:
Currently, our lead over Oregon sits at 0.0152 points. 
First, lets look at a couple "worst case scenarios", based on the assumption that Bama, K State, and Oregon win out:
Bama continues to keep all 59 first place votes in the Coaches poll, Oregon gets all the 2nd place votes, and K State gets all the 3rd place votes.  Our margin has shrunk from 0.0152 to 0.0126.  In the Harris poll, Oregon improves to a unanimous 2nd, with K State a unanimous 3rd.  Our margin shrinks from 0.0126 to 0.0107.
If Notre Dame LOSES, Oregon automatically gains 4 spots in the computer polls.  Depending on which of our polls get thrown out for being the highest and the lowest, the Quatz either gain 2 or 4 spots in the computer polls.  Playing debil's advocate, this means Oregon gains a net 2 spots in the computers over us, cutting our margin from .0107 to .0041.

In summation, a change in a team's single computer ranking carries 10x the points as a voter deciding to vote State #2 Ore #3.  We do not have much more potential to improve in the computers...best case scenario we can only gain 6 points opposed to Oregon having the potential to gain 15.  Realistically, as long as Bama stays #1, (and if they dont then that means they lost so we have nothing to worry about anyway) there will be little fluxuation with us and Oregon in the human polls, and the change will be mostly negligible.  Inevitably, Oregon is going to gain ground in the computers provided they keep winning.  How much is impossible to say since most of the computers do not show their work for how they arrived as their answer, and it's very difficult to tell how close Oregon is to jumping the team above them in each of the respective computers. 
The ultimate conclusion here is that we seriously need the ND and FLA to continue to keep a wedge between us and Oregon.  Provided all 3 teams keep winning, the human polls will make little difference unless everyone decides to be dickholes and rank either us or Oregon completely unfairly.

Can you explain this with charts and graphics?  Most people are visual learners.

[chum1]

How does pre jump Alabama SOS compare with Oregon's now?  How does LSU compare with Oregon's remaining opponents?  Gotta go.  I'll look for answers when I return.

[slobber]

Guise, I've spent all morning trying to do science and I'd like to offer a few friendly reminders as it pertains to the 3 areas in which our rankings are influenced:
Currently, our lead over Oregon sits at 0.0152 points. 
First, lets look at a couple "worst case scenarios", based on the assumption that Bama, K State, and Oregon win out:
Bama continues to keep all 59 first place votes in the Coaches poll, Oregon gets all the 2nd place votes, and K State gets all the 3rd place votes.  Our margin has shrunk from 0.0152 to 0.0126.  In the Harris poll, Oregon improves to a unanimous 2nd, with K State a unanimous 3rd.  Our margin shrinks from 0.0126 to 0.0107.
If Notre Dame LOSES, Oregon automatically gains 4 spots in the computer polls.  Depending on which of our polls get thrown out for being the highest and the lowest, the Quatz either gain 2 or 4 spots in the computer polls.  Playing debil's advocate, this means Oregon gains a net 2 spots in the computers over us, cutting our margin from .0107 to .0041.

In summation, a change in a team's single computer ranking carries 10x the points as a voter deciding to vote State #2 Ore #3.  We do not have much more potential to improve in the computers...best case scenario we can only gain 6 points opposed to Oregon having the potential to gain 15.  Realistically, as long as Bama stays #1, (and if they dont then that means they lost so we have nothing to worry about anyway) there will be little fluxuation with us and Oregon in the human polls, and the change will be mostly negligible.  Inevitably, Oregon is going to gain ground in the computers provided they keep winning.  How much is impossible to say since most of the computers do not show their work for how they arrived as their answer, and it's very difficult to tell how close Oregon is to jumping the team above them in each of the respective computers. 
The ultimate conclusion here is that we seriously need the ND and FLA to continue to keep a wedge between us and Oregon.  Provided all 3 teams keep winning, the human polls will make little difference unless everyone decides to be dickholes and rank either us or Oregon completely unfairly.

Hey bubba, that's some good stuff. Thank you for having such a productive morning!

[EllRobersonisInnocent]

So basically ND losing does nothing in the human polls and only hurts us in the computer polls

The computer hit by a ND loss is more instant, but Oregon is GOING to leap ND in the computers over the next 3 weeks, even if they both win out...ND's schedule is dogshit...The meat of Oregons schedule is still up ahead

I don't see this happening. ND is just too far ahead of Oregon in the computers for the Ducks to catch up without a ND loss. Oregon's schedule is nowhere near as tough as people are making it out to be.

Don't count out Oregon State quite yet. If they win their next 2, UO/OSU will be for the North title. Corvallis is a tough place to play and I've seen a lot worse Beaver teams beat quality Oregon teams before

[ksucrcoop]

Guise, I've spent all morning trying to do science and I'd like to offer a few friendly reminders as it pertains to the 3 areas in which our rankings are influenced:
Currently, our lead over Oregon sits at 0.0152 points. 
First, lets look at a couple "worst case scenarios", based on the assumption that Bama, K State, and Oregon win out:
Bama continues to keep all 59 first place votes in the Coaches poll, Oregon gets all the 2nd place votes, and K State gets all the 3rd place votes.  Our margin has shrunk from 0.0152 to 0.0126.  In the Harris poll, Oregon improves to a unanimous 2nd, with K State a unanimous 3rd.  Our margin shrinks from 0.0126 to 0.0107.
If Notre Dame LOSES, Oregon automatically gains 4 spots in the computer polls.  Depending on which of our polls get thrown out for being the highest and the lowest, the Quatz either gain 2 or 4 spots in the computer polls.  Playing debil's advocate, this means Oregon gains a net 2 spots in the computers over us, cutting our margin from .0107 to .0041.

In summation, a change in a team's single computer ranking carries 10x the points as a voter deciding to vote State #2 Ore #3.  We do not have much more potential to improve in the computers...best case scenario we can only gain 6 points opposed to Oregon having the potential to gain 15.  Realistically, as long as Bama stays #1, (and if they dont then that means they lost so we have nothing to worry about anyway) there will be little fluxuation with us and Oregon in the human polls, and the change will be mostly negligible.  Inevitably, Oregon is going to gain ground in the computers provided they keep winning.  How much is impossible to say since most of the computers do not show their work for how they arrived as their answer, and it's very difficult to tell how close Oregon is to jumping the team above them in each of the respective computers. 
The ultimate conclusion here is that we seriously need the ND and FLA to continue to keep a wedge between us and Oregon.  Provided all 3 teams keep winning, the human polls will make little difference unless everyone decides to be dickholes and rank either us or Oregon completely unfairly.

Worst case scenario (assuming we win out) is Ore does to the Pac 12 what any good team would do to the Pac 12 (win big, have def show up), Bama falters a bit with some really close games, and we just keep sawing wood - wining by 2-3 tds per game. Then we will begin to see Ore picking up some #1 votes, especially if there D plays better. In that scenario, I don't think we will jump Bama or Ore for any #1 votes, maybe a few #2s, but almost all #3s, and will be stuck playing Loserville in the nacho bowl.

Again, WORST case scenario for us winning out.

[WildcatNkilt]

It has been a great season so far huh guys?   

Go Cats!

[MadCat]

Do we (the public) really not know how the computers calculate their results?