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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Football => Topic started by: steve dave on October 10, 2012, 08:41:46 AM
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http://www.coacheshotseat.com/CoachesHotSeatRanking.htm
Bullshit list imo. Charlie needs significantly more time. Multiple years minimum, to right this ship.
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Are they still paying off the rest of Mangino's and Gill's contracts?
Is not Weis's a guaranteed one as well?
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He needs at least 5 years to get this thing headed in the right direction.
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GIVE HIM TIME YOU IDIOTS
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They wouldn't fire him after just one season, would they?
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They wouldn't fire him after just one season, would they?
With the progress he's making, I should hope not!!
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Weiss' contract is guaranteed money. But money aside, it's hard to build a program in 5 games, especially at a craphole like Memorial Stadium. Just stating facts tsc'ers.
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Unbelievable that KU fans are already calling for his head. Charlie is in this thing for the long haul, why aren't their fans? Agree with ElltoPay that he needs 5 years minimum before results can even be taken into account. Rome wasn't built in a day people.
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Don't they still owe Gill 3 years of his contract, counting this year? If they fired Weis after this season, they would be paying Gill, Weis, and whoever else they could actually afford. No wonder these guys can never get improvements to their stadium off the ground.
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Lol. Its like they don't even know how many times his staff has been in the superbowl and won. They need at least a yr per collective ring.
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Don't they still owe Gill 3 years of his contract, counting this year? If they fired Weis after this season, they would be paying Gill, Weis, and whoever else they could actually afford. No wonder these guys can never get improvements to their stadium off the ground.
Don't forget lew
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Gary Patterson is the 2nd safest in college football? I'd wager that he is at least more likely to get fired than :bill:
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Turner had this thing going the right way, and KU cut bait. Hopefully they don't do the same with Weis.
Fool me once...
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Have they even paid off Mangino yet?
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Things KU administration needs to do NOW to quiet their fanbase from their calling for Weis's head:
1. Long Term Guaranteed Contract. This will show the fanbase that there is no turning back. Burn the boats.
2. Move the stress of the KState game off the coaching staff. It was clear from day one that Charlie was giving ONE job, to beat KState. Who could succeed under that type of pressure? Make it clear that while it's still clearly their superbowl, they value other games to some extent.
3. Give Charlie Weis complete control over staffing, salaries and organization of the football program. The man has like 12 super bowl rings. Do you think you know more about building a program from the ground up than he does? I don't think so!
4. Make it clear that you back Charlie's stance when it comes to the local media. If he wants to call out the student newspaper and bully them into submission then that's his right. This goes for KC, Wichita and Topeka news outlets as well. Charlie calls the shots, you journos just be happy you get to cover the man (see super bowl ring comment in #3)
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After he brings in prototypical NFL QB, this is the thanks he gets?
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These guys really needed MU. They need to find a new MU and Chuck set the sights too high in thinking that KSU would be it. They need to hold a presser and have Chuck declare isu the new team to beat.
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Things KU administration needs to do NOW to quiet their fanbase from their calling for Weis's head:
1. Long Term Guaranteed Contract. This will show the fanbase that there is no turning back. Burn the boats.
2. Move the stress of the KState game off the coaching staff. It was clear from day one that Charlie was giving ONE job, to beat KState. Who could succeed under that type of pressure? Make it clear that while it's still clearly their superbowl, they value other games to some extent.
3. Give Charlie Weis complete control over staffing, salaries and organization of the football program. The man has like 12 super bowl rings. Do you think you know more about building a program from the ground up than he does? I don't think so!
4. Make it clear that you back Charlie's stance when it comes to the local media. If he wants to call out the student newspaper and bully them into submission then that's his right. This goes for KC, Wichita and Topeka news outlets as well. Charlie calls the shots, you journos just be happy you get to cover the man (see super bowl ring comment in #3)
Also need to bring back the Gridiron videos to show the fans the 'inside' and that Charlie does indeed know what he's doing.
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2 fake punts, jerkstore ku fans. 2 fake punts. The dude is putting it ALL out there for you, give him time and respect.
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These guys really needed MU. They need to find a new MU and Chuck set the sights too high in thinking that KSU would be it. They need to hold a presser and have Chuck declare isu the new team to beat.
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I Was going to suggest his, obsess over a team you can beat once in awhile.
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How many losses in how many weeks without firing Weiss until KU is officially racist?
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How many losses in how many weeks without firing Weiss until KU is officially racist?
this is a sad but valid question
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they're really between a rock and a racist place
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All those rings took time. Don't be a bunch of idiots, KU.
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Bo Pelini is much higher on this list in reality. New AD and miserable season. Bo is feelin' the heat.
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I'm having a tough time coming up with a Big 12 win for KU, Too bad that KU did not play TCU last week, they might have had a shot.
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Bo Pelini is much higher on this list in reality. New AD and miserable season. Bo is feelin' the heat.
I'd say the same for Pinky.
Also, Congrats to the 2011 Cats, who went 11-2.
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chances are you'll find K-State's next coach in that list
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http://www.coacheshotseat.com/CoachesHotSeatRanking.htm
Bullshit list imo. Charlie needs significantly more time. Multiple years minimum, to right this ship.
Guys guys!!!
:bill:
LHCLHCBS is the oldest coach in FBS by....more than 5 years!!! and is 22 years older than the average age of FBS coaches.
:bill:
Also, had no idea Lane Kiffin is only 36. Or for us mathematically inclined, less half the age of LHCLHCBS
:billdance:
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Pinkle is untouchable for this season unless he does more stupid stuff off field. MU can't and wont join a conference and fire an 8win/season coach in the same yr.
As for Bo, well, if he doesn't end up ranked and in a dece bowl at the end of the year he's mumped. New AD coming and all.
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I'd take Weiss on KSU staff. That is a lot of Super Bowl rings
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How many losses in how many weeks without firing Weiss until KU is officially racist?
this is a sad but valid question
i'd say that we'll have our answer in a year and a half if weis keeps performing so horribly. gill won 5 games in two years and was fired. if weiss has a similar record but is allowed to come back and coach a third year then even the biggest ku apologist would have to admit to it.
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http://www.lostlettermen.com/weis-disrespecintg-srs-classless-clueless/
pitcforks being handed out as I type, sad
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http://www.lostlettermen.com/weis-disrespecintg-srs-classless-clueless/
pitcforks being handed out as I type, sad
I'm a Weiss supporter but even I can admit his dress clothes fit worse than Currie's.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bloguin.com%2Fcrystalballrun%2Fimages%2Fstories%2Fweis-charlie.jpg&hash=f86cea64c833a470d19e9df59c6de39306896bdb)
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http://www.lostlettermen.com/weis-disrespecintg-srs-classless-clueless/
pitcforks being handed out as I type, sad
Sad. Makes it really hard to TSC this thing through when you have people who have no clue how to run an athletics program over there.
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WE BELIEVE IN YOU, SWEET CHUCK. DON'T LISTEN TO THE LAWRENCE HATERS.
:tsc:
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If the KU admin would just do the right thing and give Charlie Weis a long term (10-15 year) guaranteed money deal it would put this entire thing to rest.
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http://www.lostlettermen.com/weis-disrespecintg-srs-classless-clueless/
pitcforks being handed out as I type, sad
I'm a Weiss supporter but even I can admit his dress clothes fit worse than Currie's.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bloguin.com%2Fcrystalballrun%2Fimages%2Fstories%2Fweis-charlie.jpg&hash=f86cea64c833a470d19e9df59c6de39306896bdb)
He looks like a rough ridin' lesbian. Very Rosie O'Donnell-like. Also pretty Chaz Bono-esque.
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http://www.lostlettermen.com/weis-disrespecintg-srs-classless-clueless/
pitcforks being handed out as I type, sad
I'm a Weiss supporter but even I can admit his dress clothes fit worse than Currie's.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bloguin.com%2Fcrystalballrun%2Fimages%2Fstories%2Fweis-charlie.jpg&hash=f86cea64c833a470d19e9df59c6de39306896bdb)
He looks like a rough ridin' lesbian. Very Rosie O'Donnell-like. Also pretty Chaz Bono-esque.
have you voted in the pole? http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=21065.msg530908#msg530908
:confused:
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http://www.lostlettermen.com/weis-disrespecintg-srs-classless-clueless/
pitcforks being handed out as I type, sad
I'm a Weiss supporter but even I can admit his dress clothes fit worse than Currie's.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bloguin.com%2Fcrystalballrun%2Fimages%2Fstories%2Fweis-charlie.jpg&hash=f86cea64c833a470d19e9df59c6de39306896bdb)
He looks like a rough ridin' lesbian. Very Rosie O'Donnell-like. Also pretty Chaz Bono-esque.
That's just plain mean. Not cool. Not cool at all... :frown:
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http://www.lostlettermen.com/weis-disrespecintg-srs-classless-clueless/
pitcforks being handed out as I type, sad
I'm a Weiss supporter but even I can admit his dress clothes fit worse than Currie's.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bloguin.com%2Fcrystalballrun%2Fimages%2Fstories%2Fweis-charlie.jpg&hash=f86cea64c833a470d19e9df59c6de39306896bdb)
He looks like a rough ridin' lesbian. Very Rosie O'Donnell-like. Also pretty Chaz Bono-esque.
have you voted in the pole? http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=21065.msg530908#msg530908
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Whoa. I luked the hell out that idea. I vote yes.
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How many losses in how many weeks without firing Weiss until KU is officially racist?
this is a sad but valid question
i'd say that we'll have our answer in a year and a half if weis keeps performing so horribly. gill won 5 games in two years and was fired. if weiss has a similar record but is allowed to come back and coach a third year then even the biggest ku apologist would have to admit to it.
At that point the NCAA and NAACP will be involved.
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http://www.lostlettermen.com/weis-disrespecintg-srs-classless-clueless/
pitcforks being handed out as I type, sad
I'm a Weiss supporter but even I can admit his dress clothes fit worse than Currie's.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bloguin.com%2Fcrystalballrun%2Fimages%2Fstories%2Fweis-charlie.jpg&hash=f86cea64c833a470d19e9df59c6de39306896bdb)
He looks like a rough ridin' lesbian. Very Rosie O'Donnell-like. Also pretty Chaz Bono-esque.
That's just plain mean. Not cool. Not cool at all... :frown:
To lesbians. Also, nobody said the truth was cool, TBL. Sorry if I'm just a little too real for you. Sometimes the world is raw and gritty. Maybe take your head out of the sand once in a while and you'd know that. To be fair, probably pretty gritty down there where you're at though too, what with the sand and all. Also, might be a little raw on account of rashes from the sand on your skin. Still, the point stands.
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If the KU admin would just do the right thing and give Charlie Weis a long term (10-15 year) guaranteed money deal it would put this entire thing to rest.
Don't you see a pattern here? KU hires a new coach, that coach starts out by losing because previous coach left cupboard bare and it is very hard to win at ku, the fans get restless (especially if the coach is black), the admin won't act to secure the coaches long-term status thus making it worse and worse. This is a chick and egg scenario that only Sheehon can stop.
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Agree with everything said here. Sad that KU fans throw him under the bus simply because he isn't winning. Goliath loses every once in a while, people. Charles just happened to schedule a bunch of Davids, who use sneaky not nice tricky tactics to combat our beloved Jayhawks. Besides the loss against our Super-Goliath-Wild-Snydercats, those losses were never a sure thing until the very end. Just give him time, that's all I ask.
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Don't they still owe Gill 3 years of his contract, counting this year? If they fired Weis after this season, they would be paying Gill, Weis, and whoever else they could actually afford. No wonder these guys can never get improvements to their stadium off the ground.
IIRC Gill had to get paid the rest of his money within 60 days or 90 days or something. Greatest contract ever.
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Don't they still owe Gill 3 years of his contract, counting this year? If they fired Weis after this season, they would be paying Gill, Weis, and whoever else they could actually afford. No wonder these guys can never get improvements to their stadium off the ground.
IIRC Gill had to get paid the rest of his money within 60 days or 90 days or something. Greatest contract ever.
it was 120 days. the contract part of his wiki page is lolsville...
Termination and Contract Controversy This section's tone or style may not reflect the encyclopedic tone used on Wikipedia. See Wikipedia's guide to writing better articles for suggestions. (September 2012)
A review of nine other Big 12 coaches’ contracts — as a private institution Baylor is not required to release such information and the contract of Texas Tech coach Tommy Tuberville was not available — showed that most coaches would suffer a financial penalty for terminating the contract. Texas A&M coach Mike Sherman, for example, would owe the Aggies $1.8 million (his annual salary) for leaving before his contract expires, just as Gill did when he had to pay the University at Buffalo $200,000 for taking the job at Kansas. KU Athletics paid that. Gill’s current contract did not include such a penalty.
Of the nine contracts available, six were written with language more favorable to the university than Gill’s. Not surprisingly, the University of Texas and Oklahoma University stand to save the most via buyouts should they ever elect to dump football coaches Mack Brown or Bob Stoops before the end of their contracts. In addition, Oklahoma State would save 25 percent of its contract with coach Mike Gundy should OSU can Gundy without cause and Iowa State would save nearly 50 percent if the Cyclones hand Paul Rhoads his walking papers.
Why Gill’s contract was written in such a one-sided manner is puzzling, especially given he was making less than $500,000 a year at Buffalo. Optimists would say former KU Athletic Director Lew Perkins was so convinced Gill would upgrade the football program that he did not see the need to include language that is pretty standard in college coaching contracts. Perkins was terminated shortly after signing the contract amid a number of scandals.
Pessimists would question the competence of KU athletics, which just went through a messy divorce with Mangino. Because there was no buyout in place, Perkins had to launch an investigation into Mangino’s coaching tactics in order to scare the coach into thinking KU could fire him with cause. That put Mangino in the mood to negotiate and led to a $3 million settlement.[14]
University of Kansas head football coach Turner Gill's departure was a costly one. The university owed coach Gill nearly $6 million, money that was due in just 120 days. [15]
Despite calls to resign and forfeit the remaining funds given his dismal performance, and as a demonstration of integrity and personal responsibility, he refused and the university was forced to tap boosters to pay out the remainder of his contract.
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Such short memories down the road. Remember when Bill Self rolled into town, and was losing games left and right to Richmond and Oral Roberts and a Wooly coached K-State team? If I recall correctly they had like 3 or 4 losing seasons, but look at them now, the patience paid off with the basketball team. They need to support Weis with EXACTLY the same fervor they give to Self. Hell, I'd say extend him to 2022 just like Bill, then sit back and watch the rings pile up.
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Bo Pelini is much higher on this list in reality. New AD and miserable season. Bo is feelin' the heat.
Nebraska fans turning on Bo bad, told me they think Osborne quit to save the embarrassment of having to fire him.
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http://www.lostlettermen.com/weis-disrespecintg-srs-classless-clueless/
pitcforks being handed out as I type, sad
I'm a Weiss supporter but even I can admit his dress clothes fit worse than Currie's.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bloguin.com%2Fcrystalballrun%2Fimages%2Fstories%2Fweis-charlie.jpg&hash=f86cea64c833a470d19e9df59c6de39306896bdb)
Here is the problem. Little bro's memory has been damaged by the large amt of drug use that they and their athletes are known for and given that Chuck isn't wearing his rings, they simply don't remember how stellar, amazing, and dominant his resume is.
Chuck, help your fans out and put the rings on.
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Team. State. Charlie. :cheers:
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Anyway I can luck into one of those KU coaching positions in the football department? I hear they pay well and you don't have to do much. I've got college loans to feed.
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Anyway I can luck into one of those KU coaching positions in the football department? I hear they pay well and you don't have to do much. I've got college loans to feed.
Depends.
How many superbowl rings do you have?
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Anyway I can luck into one of those KU coaching positions in the football department? I hear they pay well and you don't have to do much. I've got college loans to feed.
Depends.
How many superbowl rings do you have?
Damn't. I have a Intramural Flag Football Championship T-Shirt. :dunno:
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Anyway I can luck into one of those KU coaching positions in the football department? I hear they pay well and you don't have to do much. I've got college loans to feed.
Depends.
How many superbowl rings do you have?
Damn't. I have a Intramural Flag Football Championship T-Shirt. :dunno:
Close enough. When can you start?
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Anyway I can luck into one of those KU coaching positions in the football department? I hear they pay well and you don't have to do much. I've got college loans to feed.
Depends.
How many superbowl rings do you have?
Damn't. I have a Intramural Flag Football Championship T-Shirt. :dunno:
Don't call us, we'll call you.
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chances are you'll find K-State's next coach in that list
Chizik would fit Currie's hiring style perfectly.
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There is ANOTHER all pro QB in Jake Head waiting in the wings now's not the time Hawks!
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chances are you'll find K-State's next coach in that list
Chizik would fit Currie's hiring style perfectly.
:cry: :cry: :bawl:
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These guys really needed MU. They need to find a new MU and Chuck set the sights too high in thinking that KSU would be it. They need to hold a presser and have Chuck declare isu the new team to beat.
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Superbowl II
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Did they really expect Weis to come in and win 2 games his first season? LOL, please. These things take time.
Then again, i wouldn't expect the basketball teetotalers on snob hill to have any idea what HARD WORK and PATIENCE is.
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This is really a perfect storm for Charlie. Royals suck, Chiefs suck, KU losing like crazy, K-State is awesome. Honestly if MU was succeeding in the Southern/Eastern Conference I'm sure Charlie would be gone already. The fans just couldn't take it.
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Anyway I can luck into one of those KU coaching positions in the football department? I hear they pay well and you don't have to do much. I've got college loans to feed.
Depends.
How many superbowl rings do you have?
Damn't. I have a Intramural Flag Football Championship T-Shirt. :dunno:
Welp, #fanningbrag
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According to that site, KSU went 11-2 last season.
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According to that site, KSU went 11-2 last season.
This is 100% correct. We won the cotton bowl before it kicked off. Remember?
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My goodness. The only way Jon Embree at our old friend CU isn't #1 on that "hot seat" list is they realize Colorado just doesn't care. Man, I miss those guys...
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Such short memories down the road. Remember when Bill Self rolled into town, and was losing games left and right to Richmond and Oral Roberts and a Wooly coached K-State team? If I recall correctly they had like 3 or 4 losing seasons, but look at them now, the patience paid off with the basketball team. They need to support Weis with EXACTLY the same fervor they give to Self. Hell, I'd say extend him to 2022 just like Bill, then sit back and watch the rings pile up.
Yeah its' pretty widely known coaches need at least three seasons before they can be held accountable for their win loss record. Unless of course they are black like Turner Gill and then two years is more then ample time.
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BITB is blowing the lid off this scoop!
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These guys really needed MU. They need to find a new MU and Chuck set the sights too high in thinking that KSU would be it. They need to hold a presser and have Chuck declare isu the new team to beat.
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They really need to play this up. They should create a trophy and call it the battle for the Cyhawk (Jayclone, maybe?) trophy or something.
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BITB is blowing the lid off this scoop!
deets plz
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welp.
http://www.firecharlieweis.com/ (http://www.firecharlieweis.com/)
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chances are you'll find K-State's next coach in that list
You mean on a list of all current D1 coaches, that chances are our next coach will be one of them? :horrorsurprise:
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weis is the best coach ku could have hired.
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weis is the best coach ku could have hired.
This is a great point. You fire Charlie and you are back to square one. You've already gotten shot down by current KState assitant coaches for your head job. You've shown you will fire someone who barely had time to unpack the moving van in Turner and now Charlie. Nobody will take this job. It's a god damn miracle you could pry Charlie away from Florida where he was probably kicking an unbelievable amount of ass.
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ku fired the best coach that they've ever had. he had an over .500 career record (which is just unheard of at ku) during his time there. just two years before his firing he finished in the top 10. he won a bcs bowl game. he won every coach of the year honor that someone could win. prior to becoming their head coach he spent 7 years working side by side with LHC LHC LHC LHC Bill Snyder in the big12 and then another 5 working with bob stoops in the big12. two of the best college football coaches ever and both within the same conference. he knew how to coach at the highest level possible. he knew the lay of the land and had in-roads with coaches all throughout the big12. he took ku to incredible heights... and then they fired him.
any coach with any aspiration whatsoever will see that and immediately run. they have no chance of ever hiring a good coach. weis is incredibly average but without a doubt a homerun for ku and zenger should be commended. if left alone and allowed to do what he wants, i could see weis getting ku to the point where they can challenge for bowl games more years than not. any ku fan that would want him gone is crazy. just crazy.
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weis is the best coach ku could have hired.
This is a great point. You fire Charlie and you are back to square one. You've already gotten shot down by current KState assitant coaches for your head job. You've shown you will fire someone who barely had time to unpack the moving van in Turner and now Charlie. Nobody will take this job. It's a god damn miracle you could pry Charlie away from Florida where he was probably kicking an unbelievable amount of ass.
Plus, Gainesville > Lawrence
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http://www.cbssports.com/general/blog/gregg-doyel/20539428/charlie-weis----same-mistake-he-ever-was
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I wish I could go back and re-live the whole Mangino firing. I pretty much forgot how it went down. He was mean to his players or something, basically?
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weis is the best coach ku could have hired.
This is a great point. You fire Charlie and you are back to square one. You've already gotten shot down by current KState assitant coaches for your head job. You've shown you will fire someone who barely had time to unpack the moving van in Turner and now Charlie. Nobody will take this job. It's a god damn miracle you could pry Charlie away from Florida where he was probably kicking an unbelievable amount of ass.
Plus, Gainesville > Lawrence
Wow. Biased much? Memorial Stadium may not be The Swamp, but you are kidding me if you think Gainesville has anything to rival Mass Ave.
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I wish I could go back and re-live the whole Mangino firing. I pretty much forgot how it went down. He was mean to his players or something, basically?
used a few cursewords at practice. that was basically it.
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I wish I could go back and re-live the whole Mangino firing. I pretty much forgot how it went down. He was mean to his players or something, basically?
used a few cursewords at practice. that was basically it.
Did the KU fans want him gone? Serious question.
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I wish I could go back and re-live the whole Mangino firing. I pretty much forgot how it went down. He was mean to his players or something, basically?
used a few cursewords at practice. that was basically it.
Did the KU fans want him gone? Serious question.
iirc they wanted him on the first plane out of kci.
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It's pretty crazy to see how much success Florida has had this year after Weis's departure. I was pretty sure they were doomed.
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They thought they would sustain the success from their no TX, no OU, no B12 north BCS year. That was obviously not going to last at KU even with Saban or LHC Bill Snyder at the helm.
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I wish I could go back and re-live the whole Mangino firing. I pretty much forgot how it went down. He was mean to his players or something, basically?
used a few cursewords at practice. that was basically it.
Did the KU fans want him gone? Serious question.
can't speak for all of them, but some relatives of my wife are pretty big donors, and they were glad he was canned because he was fat. not kidding
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Doyle.... ouch.
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These people are monsters (from the phog):
A bunch of the national media don't like Weis and want him to fail as well, that doesn't help.
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Doyle.... ouch.
I know. wow.
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I wish I could go back and re-live the whole Mangino firing. I pretty much forgot how it went down. He was mean to his players or something, basically?
used a few cursewords at practice. that was basically it.
Did the KU fans want him gone? Serious question.
iirc they wanted him on the first plane out of kci.
wouldn't he just fly directly out of Lawrence?
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I wish I could go back and re-live the whole Mangino firing. I pretty much forgot how it went down. He was mean to his players or something, basically?
used a few cursewords at practice. that was basically it.
Did the KU fans want him gone? Serious question.
iirc they wanted him on the first plane out of kci.
wouldn't he just fly directly out of Lawrence?
More like they wanted him on the first cargo plane out of Forbes Field.
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I wish I could go back and re-live the whole Mangino firing. I pretty much forgot how it went down. He was mean to his players or something, basically?
used a few cursewords at practice. that was basically it.
Did the KU fans want him gone? Serious question.
can't speak for all of them, but some relatives of my wife are pretty big donors, and they were glad he was canned because he was fat. not kidding
Now that's uncalled for. Mark is a big man with an even bigger heart, swell guy.
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the media just hates KU
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Weis can't be on a hot seat; he sits on a cooler for christ sakes. :confused: