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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Football => Topic started by: Fuktard on December 20, 2011, 04:46:51 PM
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Not really surprising. Lemmings that assume that the best record for a team that recruits itself means the best coach.
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This is just ludacris to me. eff the SEC!! and Arkansas State!
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This is just ludacris to me. eff the SEC!! and Arkansas State University College of Arkansas (UCA)!!
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well at least they gave the heisman to someone that wasn't on "hurrrrr #1 team hurrrr"
sigh
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LSU may "recruit itself", but so does Bama, and Florida, and Auburn, and....
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good. he deserves it. grats Les :party:
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It was probably pretty difficult negotiating all those contracts with his players. Well deserved!
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Does anybody know if LSU stayed under the salary cap for this year? I heard the kicker renegotiated before season started to keep them under cap. I think he got screwed. He deserves more.
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Does anybody know if LSU stayed under the salary cap for this year? I heard the kicker renegotiated before season started to keep them under cap. I think he got screwed. He deserves more.
weird first post
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He assembled and coached a team that, if they beat Alabama again, is arguably the greatest team of all time. Look at the rankings of the teams they have beaten and where/how they beat them. You really can't vote against him here.
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Does anybody know if LSU stayed under the salary cap for this year? I heard the kicker renegotiated before season started to keep them under cap. I think he got screwed. He deserves more.
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He assembled and coached a team that, if they beat Alabama again, is arguably the greatest team of all time. Look at the rankings of the teams they have beaten and where/how they beat them. You really can't vote against him here.
Kinda like Mack, only better? :dunno:
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He assembled and coached a team that, if they beat Alabama again, is arguably the greatest team of all time. Look at the rankings of the teams they have beaten and where/how they beat them. You really can't vote against him here.
Kinda like Mack, only better? :dunno:
Kinda like everyone only better
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He assembled and coached a team that, if they beat Alabama again, is arguably the greatest team of all time. Look at the rankings of the teams they have beaten and where/how they beat them. You really can't vote against him here.
If K-State beats Arky then it really calls into question the legitimacy of the SEC this year and in turn the legitimacy of LSU. If the Cats win then I'd be pretty confident in saying that LSU isn't any better than OSU and we'll never know for sure. The Big 12 has the best OOC record this year for a reason.
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He assembled and coached a team that, if they beat Alabama again, is arguably the greatest team of all time. Look at the rankings of the teams they have beaten and where/how they beat them. You really can't vote against him here.
If K-State beats Arky then it really calls into question the legitimacy of the SEC this year and in turn the legitimacy of LSU. If the Cats win then I'd be pretty confident in saying that LSU isn't any better than OSU and we'll never know for sure. The Big 12 has the best OOC record this year for a reason.
LSU also destroyed the BE champs at their place, the P12 champs in Dallas and that Arkansas team 41-17. There is no questioning their legitimacy you dumbass.
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He assembled and coached a team that, if they beat Alabama again, is arguably the greatest team of all time. Look at the rankings of the teams they have beaten and where/how they beat them. You really can't vote against him here.
If K-State beats Arky then it really calls into question the legitimacy of the SEC this year and in turn the legitimacy of LSU. If the Cats win then I'd be pretty confident in saying that LSU isn't any better than OSU and we'll never know for sure. The Big 12 has the best OOC record this year for a reason.
LSU also destroyed the BE champs at their place, the P12 champs in Dallas and that Arkansas team 41-17. There is no questioning their legitimacy you dumbass.
ZING!
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He assembled and coached a team that, if they beat Alabama again, is arguably the greatest team of all time. Look at the rankings of the teams they have beaten and where/how they beat them. You really can't vote against him here.
If K-State beats Arky then it really calls into question the legitimacy of the SEC this year and in turn the legitimacy of LSU. If the Cats win then I'd be pretty confident in saying that LSU isn't any better than OSU and we'll never know for sure. The Big 12 has the best OOC record this year for a reason.
LSU also destroyed the BE champs at their place, the P12 champs in Dallas and that Arkansas team 41-17. There is no questioning their legitimacy you dumbass.
Looks like the Okie (Les Miles) created a monster... one that give ole Nickey nightmares. :thumbsup:
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He assembled and coached a team that, if they beat Alabama again, is arguably the greatest team of all time. Look at the rankings of the teams they have beaten and where/how they beat them. You really can't vote against him here.
If K-State beats Arky then it really calls into question the legitimacy of the SEC this year and in turn the legitimacy of LSU. If the Cats win then I'd be pretty confident in saying that LSU isn't any better than OSU and we'll never know for sure. The Big 12 has the best OOC record this year for a reason.
LSU also destroyed the BE champs at their place, the P12 champs in Dallas and that Arkansas team 41-17. There is no questioning their legitimacy you dumbass.
Disagree the SEC is hardly tested outside of their schedule. They don't play tough noncons. Oregon is the best win for any SEC team outside of their over inflated schedule. And that really doesn't say much because of how weak that conference is. I mean the best team isn't even their BCS bowl rep. Don't get started trying to make WVU into a good win. I wouldn't rest my laurels on a conference championship that is about to lose its AQ status.
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He assembled and coached a team that, if they beat Alabama again, is arguably the greatest team of all time. Look at the rankings of the teams they have beaten and where/how they beat them. You really can't vote against him here.
If K-State beats Arky then it really calls into question the legitimacy of the SEC this year and in turn the legitimacy of LSU. If the Cats win then I'd be pretty confident in saying that LSU isn't any better than OSU and we'll never know for sure. The Big 12 has the best OOC record this year for a reason.
LSU also destroyed the BE champs at their place, the P12 champs in Dallas and that Arkansas team 41-17. There is no questioning their legitimacy you dumbass.
They didn't destroy Oregon, quit being so Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) steve dave. Oregon had multiple idiotic turnovers inside their own 10 yard line. Going by your scale of greatness, you should have no problem admitting that '95 Nebraska is by far the best team ever?
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Disagree the SEC is hardly tested outside of their schedule. They don't play tough noncons. Oregon is the best win for any SEC team outside of their over inflated schedule. And that really doesn't say much because of how weak that conference is. I mean the best team isn't even their BCS bowl rep. Don't get started trying to make WVU into a good win. I wouldn't rest my laurels on a conference championship that is about to lose its AQ status.
Where would you rest your laurels?
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FWIW, I don't think Snyder could have managed the talent/personalities of LSU's roster to do what they did this year. We all know the survival rates of most blue chippers in our program.
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Snyder could have never put that kind of talent together at LSU or Alabama or any other program that people assume is automatic for recruiting. Your Les Miles and Nick Sabans of the world can. Snyder also got his ass whipped by a 3 loss OU team at home. LSU would beat that OU team by 95 points. Bill is great for KState, but he's no Les Miles or Nick Saban.
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Snyder could have never put that kind of talent together at LSU or Alabama or any other program that people assume is automatic for recruiting. Your Les Miles and Nick Sabans of the world can. Snyder also got his ass whipped by a 3 loss OU team at home. LSU would beat that OU team by 95 points. Bill is great for KState, but he's no Les Miles or Nick Saban.
Disagree with this because it is flawed logic. If Bill had been at LSU for the amount of time that he has been at KStatae it could be argued he would be the best coach in the history of coaches. To say a guy who recruits a state with little to no high level talents and relies on Jucos and farm kids couldn't coach at a school that has five star farm kids is rough ridin' Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!). The entire state of Louisianna is a hotbed of D1 talent...one where we get 2 stars and late qualifiers and are ecstatic about th em. To act like Bill can't deal with talented kids is dumb...its not like they all demand only green peanut m&ms in their locker before the game.
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Snyder could have never put that kind of talent together at LSU or Alabama or any other program that people assume is automatic for recruiting. Your Les Miles and Nick Sabans of the world can. Snyder also got his ass whipped by a 3 loss OU team at home. LSU would beat that OU team by 95 points. Bill is great for KState, but he's no Les Miles or Nick Saban.
Disagree with this because it is flawed logic. If Bill had been at LSU for the amount of time that he has been at KStatae it could be argued he would be the best coach in the history of coaches. To say a guy who recruits a state with little to no high level talents and relies on Jucos and farm kids couldn't coach at a school that has five star farm kids is rough ridin' Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!). The entire state of Louisianna is a hotbed of D1 talent...one where we get 2 stars and late qualifiers and are ecstatic about th em. To act like Bill can't deal with talented kids is dumb...its not like they all demand only green peanut m&ms in their locker before the game.
Bill could never get the talent that Les has. He could never attract assistants like Les has. Most importantly, he could never win like Les has.
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Ole Lester will get what he has coming next year alright
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LSU would be the Arkansas of the SEC.
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Disagree with this because it is flawed logic. If Bill had been at LSU for the amount of time that he has been at KStatae it could be argued he would be the best coach in the history of coaches. To say a guy who recruits a state with little to no high level talents and relies on Jucos and farm kids couldn't coach at a school that has five star farm kids is rough ridin' Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!). The entire state of Louisianna is a hotbed of D1 talent...one where we get 2 stars and late qualifiers and are ecstatic about th em. To act like Bill can't deal with talented kids is dumb...its not like they all demand only green peanut m&ms in their locker before the game.
Nice Van Halen reference. :gocho:
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Snyder could have never put that kind of talent together at LSU or Alabama or any other program that people assume is automatic for recruiting. Your Les Miles and Nick Sabans of the world can. Snyder also got his ass whipped by a 3 loss OU team at home. LSU would beat that OU team by 95 points. Bill is great for KState, but he's no Les Miles or Nick Saban.
Disagree with this because it is flawed logic. If Bill had been at LSU for the amount of time that he has been at KStatae it could be argued he would be the best coach in the history of coaches. To say a guy who recruits a state with little to no high level talents and relies on Jucos and farm kids couldn't coach at a school that has five star farm kids is rough ridin' Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!). The entire state of Louisianna is a hotbed of D1 talent...one where we get 2 stars and late qualifiers and are ecstatic about th em. To act like Bill can't deal with talented kids is dumb...its not like they all demand only green peanut m&ms in their locker before the game.
Bill could never get the talent that Les has. He could never attract assistants like Les has. Most importantly, he could never win like Les has.
Again how can you say that? First off Les was pretty meh at OkState, he used moderate successto propel him into a very good job...LSU fans were pretty meh about the whole hire. Also I'm guessing LSU has a whole lot more money they are willing to throw at assistants which would make Bills long hours more bearable. Also LSU has always been a destination type job where assistants can use success on their side of the ball into a big time HC job like Muschamp did at UT. So no I still think your whole line of thinking is Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)
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If it is so easy to go undefeated at LSU why have they never gone undefeated before ever? Like, with any coach?
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Also, if any of you dipshits downgrading LSU's path to an undefeated seasons could let me know who has had a more impressive undefeated run in the last 20 or so years, please let me know.
Thanks.
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Old Ballz apologists need to realize that just because he didn't win doesn't mean that people don't appreciate him. JFC, guys.
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Also, if any of you dipshits downgrading LSU's path to an undefeated seasons could let me know who has had a more impressive undefeated run in the last 20 or so years, please let me know.
Thanks.
Oklahoma 2003
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It's AP Coach of the Year. Not best coaching staff of all time. To me the award should be based on how your team did compared to the expectations\talent you have preseason. LSU has some of the best players in the country and they were expected to win, if not win every game. KSU was predicted 8th in the Big 12 preseason, and ended 8th in the country! This year, with all the coaches and all the players, Snyder did the best job of defying expectations and overcoming talent gaps. This is why he should be the Coach of the Year.
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It's AP Coach of the Year. Not best coaching staff of all time. To me the award should be based on how your team did compared to the expectations\talent you have preseason. LSU has some of the best players in the country and they were expected to win, if not win every game. KSU was predicted 8th in the Big 12 preseason, and ended 8th in the country! This year, with all the coaches and all the players, Snyder did the best job of defying expectations and overcoming talent gaps. This is why he should be the Coach of the Year.
Believe me, I can see how Snyder would deserve the award in many years, but Miles definitely deserves it this year. He legitimately had one of the most impressive undefeated runs in the last 20 years (or more). Disqualifying someone from coach of the year only because they started with high expectations seems pretty stupid to me.
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It's AP Coach of the Year. Not best coaching staff of all time. To me the award should be based on how your team did compared to the expectations\talent you have preseason. LSU has some of the best players in the country and they were expected to win, if not win every game. KSU was predicted 8th in the Big 12 preseason, and ended 8th in the country! This year, with all the coaches and all the players, Snyder did the best job of defying expectations and overcoming talent gaps. This is why he should be the Coach of the Year.
yes, let's let the fat slob journalists set the expectations of how well a team should do. that's how we should gauge it! :rolleyes:
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Old Ballz apologists need to realize that just because he didn't win doesn't mean that people don't appreciate him. JFC, guys.
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Les Miles beat 7 teams that are playing Dec. 31st or later bowl games :horrorsurprise:
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Les Miles beat 7 teams that are playing Dec. 31st or later bowl games :horrorsurprise:
But sadly not us. :bawl:
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let me explain how these things work. if you win, you brag about it like a total jackass. if you don't win, you don't give a flying eff about who does.
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let me explain how these things work. if you win, you brag about it like a total jackass. if you don't win, you don't give a flying eff about who does.
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He assembled and coached a team that, if they beat Alabama again, is arguably the greatest team of all time. Look at the rankings of the teams they have beaten and where/how they beat them. You really can't vote against him here.
If K-State beats Arky then it really calls into question the legitimacy of the SEC this year and in turn the legitimacy of LSU. If the Cats win then I'd be pretty confident in saying that LSU isn't any better than OSU and we'll never know for sure. The Big 12 has the best OOC record this year for a reason.
LSU also destroyed the BE champs at their place, the P12 champs in Dallas and that Arkansas team 41-17. There is no questioning their legitimacy you dumbass.
Hey now lets not resort to violent words that hurt feelings :nono: They should have lost to Oregon in what was pretty much a home game. Oregon screwed themselves. West Virginia couldnt hold TTUs jockstrap this year so that win is pretty much discredited. Really the only conferences worth a damn are the SEC and Big 12 and our 5th or 6th best team should have beat their 3rd best and would have handily if they weren't choke artists this year. So again I question the ability of LSU against OSU.
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It's AP Coach of the Year. Not best coaching staff of all time. To me the award should be based on how your team did compared to the expectations\talent you have preseason. LSU has some of the best players in the country and they were expected to win, if not win every game. KSU was predicted 8th in the Big 12 preseason, and ended 8th in the country! This year, with all the coaches and all the players, Snyder did the best job of defying expectations and overcoming talent gaps. This is why he should be the Coach of the Year.
Believe me, I can see how Snyder would deserve the award in many years, but Miles definitely deserves it this year. He legitimately had one of the most impressive undefeated runs in the last 20 years (or more). Disqualifying someone from coach of the year only because they started with high expectations seems pretty stupid to me.
even dumber to pick them over a team which was suppose to finish in the bottom 3rd of the best league and nearly won the Dr Pepper.
and the 2005 UT squad probably had a harder schedule and for sure had a hard op in the MNC.
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LHC Bill Snyder took a top 10 team and lost 2 games. It's hard to say he should get it over an undefeated Les Miles.
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LHC Bill Snyder took a top 10 team and lost 2 games. It's hard to say he should get it over an undefeated Les Miles.
OBz took the 8th best team in the big12 and turned them into a top 10 team. That deserves a COY trophy.
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LHC Bill Snyder took a top 10 team and lost 2 games. It's hard to say he should get it over an undefeated Les Miles.
OBz took the 8th best team in the big12 darkest horse of them all and turned them into a top 10 team. That deserves a COY trophy.
FYP
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Gundy has done better at OSU than Miles, think about what he could do at LSU.
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LHC Bill Snyder took a top 10 team and lost 2 games. It's hard to say he should get it over an undefeated Les Miles.
OBz took the 8th best team in the big12 and turned them into a top 10 team. That deserves a COY trophy.
Miles took the 6th best SEC team and turned them into the best team in the world. Advantage: Miles.
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LHC Bill Snyder took a top 10 team and lost 2 games. It's hard to say he should get it over an undefeated Les Miles.
OBz took the 8th best team in the big12 and turned them into a top 10 team. That deserves a COY trophy.
Miles took the 6th best SEC team preseason AP #4 team and turned them into the best team in the world. Advantage: Miles OBz.
FYP
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LHC Bill Snyder took a top 10 team and lost 2 games. It's hard to say he should get it over an undefeated Les Miles.
OBz took the 8th best team in the big12 and turned them into a top 10 team. That deserves a COY trophy.
Miles took the 6th best SEC team preseason AP #4 team and turned them into the best team in the world. Advantage: Miles OBz.
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LHC Bill Snyder took a top 10 team and lost 2 games. It's hard to say he should get it over an undefeated Les Miles.
OBz took the 8th best team in the big12 and turned them into a top 10 team. That deserves a COY trophy.
Miles took the 6th best SEC team preseason AP #4 team and turned them into the best team in the world. Advantage: Miles OBz.
FYP
Touche. I guess we can all agree that the AP writers would never get something like a preseason poll wrong.
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LHC Bill Snyder took a top 10 team and lost 2 games. It's hard to say he should get it over an undefeated Les Miles.
OBz took the 8th best team in the big12 and turned them into a top 10 team. That deserves a COY trophy.
Miles took the 6th best SEC team preseason AP #4 team and turned them into the best team in the world. Advantage: Miles OBz.
FYP
Touche. I guess we can all agree that the AP writers would never get something like a preseason poll wrong.
Well, the Coach's poll agreed, so there's that.
I think Miles did a great job this year, but it could be argued that he voted himself into the COY by putting KSU at #17 in his final poll, knocking OSU out of the MNC and keeping 'Bama at #2. :jeffy:
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My 2c:
If LSU played Oregon again, they would not win. Oregon had a true freshman READ: First college football game ever, fumble the ball twice to give LSU the 14 points they needed in their 13 point victory.
I doubt they could beat USC this year either.
WVU lost to Louisville and some other shitty BE teams yet LSU hang their hat on that victory. Their only true good victories were @ Alabama and Arkansas.
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Every dumbass using the talking point that LSU didn't beat Oregon as handily as they would like may want to review our wins.
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LHC Bill Snyder took a top 10 team and lost 2 games. It's hard to say he should get it over an undefeated Les Miles.
OBz took the 8th best team in the big12 and turned them into a top 10 team. That deserves a COY trophy.
Miles took the 6th best SEC team preseason AP #4 team and turned them into the best team in the world. Advantage: Miles OBz.
FYP
Touche. I guess we can all agree that the AP writers would never get something like a preseason poll wrong.
no the point is that you're a dumbass who makes up stats, ignores quotes and generally makes crap up to support your bullshit theories. Any rube knows that LSU isn't the 6th best team from a conference.
Every dumbass using the talking point that LSU didn't beat Oregon as handily as they would like may want to review our wins.
How so? Baylor had a health RG3, Mizzou's QB was exposed by better play, TTU was healthy and at their house, KU is KU, Texas had both their QBs and couldn't figure out the mighty Cosh defense, and Ass to Mouth had Tannehill and Swope. Don't be mad because they talking points you are inventing are falling by the wayside when logic and comparative analysis are used against them.
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Every dumbass using the talking point that LSU didn't beat Oregon as handily as they would like may want to review our wins.
How so? Baylor had a health RG3, Mizzou's QB was exposed by better play, TTU was healthy and at their house, KU is KU, Texas had both their QBs and couldn't figure out the mighty Cosh defense, and Ass to Mouth had Tannehill and Swope. Don't be mad because they talking points you are inventing are falling by the wayside when logic and comparative analysis are used against them.
this doesn't address the point at all. I actually have no idea what you are trying to address.
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Who gives an S about Snyder's awards?
We had a great season.
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Every dumbass using the talking point that LSU didn't beat Oregon as handily as they would like may want to review our wins.
How so? Baylor had a health RG3, Mizzou's QB was exposed by better play, TTU was healthy and at their house, KU is KU, Texas had both their QBs and couldn't figure out the mighty Cosh defense, and Ass to Mouth had Tannehill and Swope. Don't be mad because they talking points you are inventing are falling by the wayside when logic and comparative analysis are used against them.
this doesn't address the point at all. I actually have no idea what you are trying to address.
De'Anthony Thomas the true RB playing more than he should, Oregon w/o their best CB/Punt Return Harris. LSU had their best players arguably for that game.
Not only the bullshit on the field, how about the off the field antics where Les lost control of his best players allowing them to run wild on the streets.
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LHC Bill Snyder took a top 10 team and lost 2 games. It's hard to say he should get it over an undefeated Les Miles.
OBz took the 8th best team in the big12 and turned them into a top 10 team. That deserves a COY trophy.
Miles took the 6th best SEC team preseason AP #4 team and turned them into the best team in the world. Advantage: Miles OBz.
FYP
Touche. I guess we can all agree that the AP writers would never get something like a preseason poll wrong.
no the point is that you're a dumbass who makes up stats, ignores quotes and generally makes crap up to support your bullshit theories. Any rube knows that LSU isn't the 6th best team from a conference.
Did you really miss my point? I mean, I guess I shouldn't be surprised, but wow.
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Who gives an S about Snyder's awards?
We had a great season.
YES!
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Who gives an S about Snyder's awards?
We had a great season.
YES!
I don't give a crap about Snyder winning the award. I just don't think LSU is the best team ever. Hell I dont think they are the best team this year. I think Alabama gave the game away by missing three field goals and Oregon also screwed themselves. LSU should have probably lost both of those games. I also think OSU could take LSU. And finally I predict an Alabama win in the championship game. NOT sold at all on LSU being the best ever.
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Who gives an S about Snyder's awards?
We had a great season.
YES!
I don't give a crap about Snyder winning the award. I just don't think LSU is the best team ever. Hell I dont think they are the best team this year. I think Alabama gave the game away by missing three field goals and Oregon also screwed themselves. LSU should have probably lost both of those games. I also think OSU could take LSU. And finally I predict an Alabama win in the championship game. NOT sold at all on LSU being the best ever.
Alabama will lose by 30.
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Who gives an S about Snyder's awards?
We had a great season.
YES!
I don't give a crap about Snyder winning the award. I just don't think LSU is the best team ever. Hell I dont think they are the best team this year. I think Alabama gave the game away by missing three field goals and Oregon also screwed themselves. LSU should have probably lost both of those games. I also think OSU could take LSU. And finally I predict an Alabama win in the championship game. NOT sold at all on LSU being the best ever.
How on earth should Oregon have beat LSU?
It was a 20 point game until Oregon got a cheap score with like less than a minute left.
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They dont give the COY to the same person twice
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ask yourself this- If Miles coached the Wildcats this year how many games do we win. If snyder coached the tigers how many?
Theres your answer.
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ask yourself this- If Miles coached the Wildcats this year how many games do we win. If snyder coached the tigers how many?
Theres your answer.
What do you think about those questions you just asked, Gaoveintisiete?
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ask yourself this- If Miles coached the Wildcats this year how many games do we win. If snyder coached the tigers how many?
Theres your answer.
What do you think about those questions you just asked, Gaoveintisiete?
Keep your eyes on your own paper :nono:
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ask yourself this- If Miles coached the Wildcats this year how many games do we win. If snyder coached the tigers how many?
Theres your answer.
If Miles had three years at KSU to build his program we are Big 12 champs this year. Snyder at LSU the last 3 years and they are a mid tier SEC team. It's pretty clear.
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Who gives an S about Snyder's awards?
We had a great season.
Many people do, Dlew. Many people.
Think of all the folks that set up multiple e-mail accounts and voted twenty times a day for the Liberty Mutual Coach of the Year Award thinking this was the real thing.
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the OB apologists are going to be upset when they see who is awarded the 2011 goEMAW.com National Coach of the Year Award.
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ask yourself this- If Miles coached the Wildcats this year how many games do we win. If snyder coached the tigers how many?
Theres your answer.
If Miles had three years at KSU to build his program we are Big 12 champs this year. Snyder at LSU the last 3 years and they are a mid tier SEC team. It's pretty clear.
This is both comical and ignorant. Miles never even won the South at LSU so what would make you possibly think he could win the Big XII at KSU in 3 years? Even the year he won the MNC he lost 2 games with a team far more talented than the ones he lost to.
If Snyder had gone to LSU or Bama back in '89 instead of here the man would have rewritten all the records. Bama would've taken Bear Bryants name off the stadium and replaced it with Snyder's.
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ask yourself this- If Miles coached the Wildcats this year how many games do we win. If snyder coached the tigers how many?
Theres your answer.
If Miles had three years at KSU to build his program we are Big 12 champs this year. Snyder at LSU the last 3 years and they are a mid tier SEC team. It's pretty clear.
This is both comical and ignorant. Miles never even won the South at LSU so what would make you possibly think he could win the Big XII at KSU in 3 years? Even the year he won the MNC he lost 2 games with a team far more talented than the ones he lost to.
If Snyder had gone to LSU or Bama back in '89 instead of here the man would have rewritten all the records. Bama would've taken Bear Bryants name off the stadium and replaced it with Snyder's.
oh eff off :powerespect:
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Snyder would do poorly at a legitimate big time program. He is pefect for us and we are perfect for him.
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Snyder would do poorly at a legitimate big time program. He is pefect for us and we are perfect for him.
Yep . . . given his personality, I doubt if he could handle the level of questions and demand for access at a program like LSU.
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I'm sure Bama fan would be absolutely delighted if he announced he would no longer try to compete with Auburn or Tennessee for recruits.
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ask yourself this- If Miles coached the Wildcats this year how many games do we win. If snyder coached the tigers how many?
Theres your answer.
If Miles had three years at KSU to build his program we are Big 12 champs this year. Snyder at LSU the last 3 years and they are a mid tier SEC team. It's pretty clear.
SD, you're usually pretty clear headed, but if Gatoveintisiete is saying the players/team are the same... then that is about the stupidest rough ridin' statement I ever seen you make. Now if you're saying that Miles had 3 yrs to build his team and Synder had the same opportunity at LSU then you may be pointing to the fact OB may round up a bunch of DITR's and never see the type of recruits the Miles could assesmble. Under those circumstances, yea you got a point. I'm just not sure that was the question. :dunno:
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ask yourself this- If Miles coached the Wildcats this year how many games do we win. If snyder coached the tigers how many?
Theres your answer.
If Miles had three years at KSU to build his program we are Big 12 champs this year. Snyder at LSU the last 3 years and they are a mid tier SEC team. It's pretty clear.
SD, you're usually pretty clear headed, but if Gatoveintisiete is saying the players/team are the same... then that is about the stupidest rough ridin' statement I ever seen you make. Now if you're saying that Miles had 3 yrs to build his team and Synder had the same opportunity at LSU then you may be pointing to the fact OB may round up a bunch of DITR's and never see the type of recruits the Miles could assesmble. Under those circumstances, yea you got a point. I'm just not sure that was the question. :dunno:
no, I'm always clear headed.
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Does anyone remember when Les took a bunch of DITR's and kicked the ever loving crap out of Bill's most talented team of all time?
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Does anyone remember when Les took a bunch of DITR's and kicked the ever loving crap out of Bill's most talented team of all time?
You mean the game where Ell came back too early from injury and looked like he was on 5 times the recommended dose of oxy so he didn't feel the pain from his torn rotator cuff? Yeah, I remember that game.
Miles's best year at OSU was that 9-4 season, and his overall conference record at OSU was 16-16. Even LSU's best years prior to this one, Miles never lost less than 2 games. With the kind of talent he had the year they won the title, he should have mowed the road with every team on his schedule, but he somehow managed to lose to an unranked Arkansas team and a middle tier Kentucky team.
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LMAO at tards that think Miles is a better football coach than Snyder. :jerk:
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Snyder would do poorly at a legitimate big time program. He is pefect for us and we are perfect for him.
Yep . . . given his personality, I doubt if he could handle the level of questions and demand for access at a program like LSU.
Dax this is honestly one of your top 10 worst posts. Its like you've never watched a Saban press conference. The only difference in access is that Nick will tell the press to eff off where as Bill will just resort to a chopping wood comment.
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we are kstate fans. it's a tragedy miles won it over synder.
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we are kstate fans. it's a tragedy miles won it over synder.
agreed
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I don't understand why people make absolute statements about hypotheticals :dunno:
Miles couldn't win 10 with KSU this year....Snyder would suck balls at LSU?
Moving Snyder to a place that has a lot of in state talent would make him a do worse?
If Miles was our coach for the end of the OSU game, we win, but maybe we'd be like ISU. Who the eff knows?
Miles took a team that was supposed to be good and made sure they were good. Snyder took a team that was supposed to suck and made them good. If you trust the media and the coaches projections, Snyder did the better coaching. If you think every team starts out even and the award is based on the teams performance throughout the year, then Miles gets it. IMO!
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Snyder has taken multiple teams that were supposed to be good to the failure bowl
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Does anyone remember when Les took a bunch of DITR's and kicked the ever loving crap out of Bill's most talented team of all time?
You mean the game where Ell came back too early from injury and looked like he was on 5 times the recommended dose of oxy so he didn't feel the pain from his torn rotator cuff? Yeah, I remember that game.
Thank heavens Les didn't have any injuries or suspensions to deal with this year.
Miles took a team that was supposed to be good and made sure they were good. Snyder took a team that was supposed to suck and made them good. If you trust the media and the coaches projections, Snyder did the better coaching. If you think every team starts out even and the award is based on the teams performance throughout the year, then Miles gets it. IMO!
Les didn't just make a team that was supposed to be good and made them good. He took a team that was supposed to be good and made them one of the greatest teams in the last 20 years. Bill took a team that was supposed to suck and made them top 10. Both are great, but I think you are underestimating how good LSU's run was this year.
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7 teams. Les beat 7 teams that are playing bowl games 12/31 or later. he beat 3 bcs teams. he has done everything you could ask of him. bill hasn't. this isn't hard if you aren't a dumbass.
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Maybe bill can get the consolation prize of doing the most with the least.
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we are kstate fans. it's a tragedy miles won it over synder.
If you can step back, for a moment, you can understand that it's not as big of a travesty as everyone is making it out to be.
Snyder's great. We know that. America knows that. Just because he had an unexpectedly good season doesn't merit him an AP COY honor.
We had a great season. Let's enjoy that.
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It wasn't a great season, as much as you tards are into recruiting and high level talent you would think you could appreciate that Snyder took his band of "Corkys" and did the best coaching job in the history of sport. This
team has no talent whatsoever outside of Arthur. eff Les Miles, that wasn't any masterful coaching job, they got lucky to beat Alabama and I wouldn't be surprised to see them lose the rematch. This season alone
should be put on a pedestal right next to the turnaround. rough ridin' Les Miles, give me a break.
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It wasn't a great season, as much as you tards are into recruiting and high level talent you would think you could appreciate that Snyder took his band of "Corkys" and did the best coaching job in the history of sport. This
team has no talent whatsoever outside of Arthur. eff Les Miles, that wasn't any masterful coaching job, they got lucky to beat Alabama and I wouldn't be surprised to see them lose the rematch. This season alone
should be put on a pedestal right next to the turnaround. rough ridin' Les Miles, give me a break.
Don't take it so personally.
It's been so much fun. Enjoy it.
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Does anyone remember when Les took a bunch of DITR's and kicked the ever loving crap out of Bill's most talented team of all time?
You mean the game where Ell came back too early from injury and looked like he was on 5 times the recommended dose of oxy so he didn't feel the pain from his torn rotator cuff? Yeah, I remember that game.
Thank heavens Les didn't have any injuries or suspensions to deal with this year.
Miles took a team that was supposed to be good and made sure they were good. Snyder took a team that was supposed to suck and made them good. If you trust the media and the coaches projections, Snyder did the better coaching. If you think every team starts out even and the award is based on the teams performance throughout the year, then Miles gets it. IMO!
Les didn't just make a team that was supposed to be good and made them good. He took a team that was supposed to be good and made them one of the greatest teams in the last 20 years. Bill took a team that was supposed to suck and made them top 10. Both are great, but I think you are underestimating how good LSU's run was this year.
what do you not understand about their projections? Preseason they were suppose to be BCS bowl bound, some picked NC bound. The team was suppose to be great. Next they are not in the greatest of the past 20 years. That is just plain absurd. Oregon game them 14 points for the hell of it. West Virginia is crap, from a crap conference. The rest of their noncon is pud teams of no consequence. The bottom half of the SEC are auto wins. ISU would be an 7 or 8 win team in the SEC. The only good win is against Bama where Bama gave the game away with a field goal kicker who sucks.
To bring injuries and suspension in on the favor of LSU shows just how absurd your point of view is. Les lost control of his team and his star players, yet another reason he shouldn't be considered. Sure Snyder has had issues with players stepping out, never with gang beatings like LSU this year.
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Getting that talent is Bill's job. Not doing so is Bill's failure. It's the primary reason he doesn't deserve the award. any talking point about injuries, etc. is just hilarious homerism.
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what do you not understand about their projections? Preseason they were suppose to be BCS bowl bound, some picked NC bound. The team was suppose to be great. Next they are not in the greatest of the past 20 years. That is just plain absurd. Oregon game them 14 points for the hell of it. West Virginia is crap, from a crap conference. The rest of their noncon is pud teams of no consequence. The bottom half of the SEC are auto wins. ISU would be an 7 or 8 win team in the SEC. The only good win is against Bama where Bama gave the game away with a field goal kicker who sucks.
What are some better runs over the last 20 years?
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what do you not understand about their projections? Preseason they were suppose to be BCS bowl bound, some picked NC bound. The team was suppose to be great. Next they are not in the greatest of the past 20 years. That is just plain absurd. Oregon game them 14 points for the hell of it. West Virginia is crap, from a crap conference. The rest of their noncon is pud teams of no consequence. The bottom half of the SEC are auto wins. ISU would be an 7 or 8 win team in the SEC. The only good win is against Bama where Bama gave the game away with a field goal kicker who sucks.
To bring injuries and suspension in on the favor of LSU shows just how absurd your point of view is. Les lost control of his team and his star players, yet another reason he shouldn't be considered. Sure Snyder has had issues with players stepping out, never with gang beatings like LSU this year.
There's a lot of dumb crap here, but the dumbest is probably the premise that coaches are dealt teams like poker hands and that the measure of their skill is how they do with the hands they're dealt.
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what do you not understand about their projections? Preseason they were suppose to be BCS bowl bound, some picked NC bound. The team was suppose to be great. Next they are not in the greatest of the past 20 years. That is just plain absurd. Oregon game them 14 points for the hell of it. West Virginia is crap, from a crap conference. The rest of their noncon is pud teams of no consequence. The bottom half of the SEC are auto wins. ISU would be an 7 or 8 win team in the SEC. The only good win is against Bama where Bama gave the game away with a field goal kicker who sucks.
To bring injuries and suspension in on the favor of LSU shows just how absurd your point of view is. Les lost control of his team and his star players, yet another reason he shouldn't be considered. Sure Snyder has had issues with players stepping out, never with gang beatings like LSU this year.
There's a lot of dumb crap here, but the dumbest is probably the premise that coaches are dealt teams like poker hands and that the measure of their skill is how they do with the hands they're dealt.
where the hell did you get that. I've intentionally steered away from recruiting because I know that is the biggest weakness to Snyder right now. Try and keep up with the conversation. We've all worked around this point. Is this an award based on projections and completions, or based on accomplishments for the stuff outside of the year. These players were all before the 2011 year. So at the start of the season we had one coach who was picked nearly dead last in the best league versus a coach who was picked to win in all from an over hyped league.
Part of my issue with you people comes from the beef I have with the SEC load swallowing, which many like Rusty, are doing a fine job of. The SEC is not as good as the Big 12. Half of their league are auto wins for any decent program. Les did what he was suppose to do in an overvalued league. He won with superior talent against some good teams, which he struggled against, and some (the majority) decent to mediocre teams.
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Is COY the guy who can bring in the best talent and win with it? That would seem to be a reward for recruiting 2-3 years prior, not coY. I think having elite talent allows for coaching error. :dunno:
Snyder didn't get it, who rough ridin' cares.
I just don't get any assertion that Snyder didn't deserve it, that he would suck at LSU, etc. I know a lot of folks hate Snyders recruiting, but that's not what this debate is about.
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I don't want to reward coaches for exceeding the crap expectations that they've earned for themselves.
Everyone can keep saying "of the year" to stand for the premise that this is an award based on an isolated window of time from September through December, but the rest of the world seems to understand it isn't.
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I don't want to reward coaches for exceeding the crap expectations that they've earned for themselves.
Everyone can keep saying "of the year" to stand for the premise that this is an award based on an isolated window of time from September through December, but the rest of the world seems to understand it isn't.
Point 1 is excellent retort to the recruiting issue. But in the case of the Big 12 does that speak to the strength of the league as well? OU and OSU were suppose to be league/ national title contenders, UT was suppose to be back, RG3 was on some Heisman boards, the north tards were suppose to be down because that is where we are always picked. But once again year for the window of examination or a 5 year window or program where do we stop and start this debate.
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My question is why doesn't it just go to the coach who has the best team in college football?
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But once again year for the window of examination or a 5 year window or program where do we stop and start this debate.
Not that hard. It's an award given out at the conclusion of the season that honors the coach who's done the best work to produce the result for that season. The work includes his "coaching" that season, and the recruitment of players and the building of a program that contributed to the results for that season.
If Charlie Weiss has a great year with the crap ku team next year, he'll certainly be in the running but he'll also be measured against coaches who have put in the work over multiple years to have amazing seasons next year. OBz might be a stronger candidate next year even with higher expectations if we see that his recruits and player development since his return lead to a 'ship or something wonderful.
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Les Miles' season is pretty similar to when Bill won NCOY in 1998. Only Bill lost a game that year.
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LHC Bill Snyder would definitely win the KState Fan Vote for Best Coach Not Taking Talent Into Consideration But Emphasizing Pre-Season Expectations And Also Throwing Out Teams From Some Other Conferences That We Don't Like Of The Year Award
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I don't want to reward coaches for exceeding the crap expectations that they've earned for themselves.
Everyone can keep saying "of the year" to stand for the premise that this is an award based on an isolated window of time from September through December, but the rest of the world seems to understand it isn't.
Mark Mangino 2007 AP Coach of the year :dunno:
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I don't want to reward coaches for exceeding the crap expectations that they've earned for themselves.
Everyone can keep saying "of the year" to stand for the premise that this is an award based on an isolated window of time from September through December, but the rest of the world seems to understand it isn't.
Mark Mangino 2007 AP Coach of the year :dunno:
Here's the difference between 2007 and this season:
1) Mangino and Snyder had very similar expectations: Mangino went 11-1 and went to a BCS Bowl, which is more impressive than what Snyder accomplished.
2) The national champion had 2 losses. There wasn't someone putting on the greatest season in 20+ years at the same time. If someone goes undefeated in ridiculous fashion that year, Mangino probably wouldn't have won.
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LHC Bill Snyder would definitely win the KState Fan Vote for Best Coach Not Taking Talent Into Consideration But Emphasizing Pre-Season Expectations And Also Throwing Out Teams From Some Other Conferences That We Don't Like Of The Year Award
I would vote for this.
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My question is why doesn't it just go to the coach who has the best team in college football?
They already have that award, the national title.
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I don't want to reward coaches for exceeding the crap expectations that they've earned for themselves.
Well played sir.
I just hope Snyder wins Coach of the Cotton Bowl. That's really all I care about.
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I don't want to reward coaches for exceeding the crap expectations that they've earned for themselves.
Well played sir.
I just hope Snyder wins Coach of the Cotton Bowl. That's really all I care about.
Well, he'll win ednksu's coach of the cotton bowl award so long as the Cats cover the spread.
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My question is why doesn't it just go to the coach who has the best team in college football?
IT DID, didn't it? :curse:
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LHC Bill Snyder would definitely win the KState Fan Vote for Best Coach Not Taking Talent Into Consideration But Emphasizing Pre-Season Expectations And Also Throwing Out Teams From Some Other Conferences That We Don't Like Of The Year Award
:excited:
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ask yourself this- If Miles coached the Wildcats this year how many games do we win. If snyder coached the tigers how many?
Theres your answer.
If Miles had three years at KSU to build his program we are Big 12 champs this year. Snyder at LSU the last 3 years and they are a mid tier SEC team. It's pretty clear.
God damn. I mean, I know you are joking, but that is just so dumb. Like for real. You are so dumb. Les did less with more at OKST(more money, better facilities, more money) than Snyder did in his first term...not to mention the fact that OBZ took us to the Cotton Bowl in his third year... did OKState ever make a bowl as prestigious as the Cotton Bowl? Or win the Big XII?
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ask yourself this- If Miles coached the Wildcats this year how many games do we win. If snyder coached the tigers how many?
Theres your answer.
If Miles had three years at KSU to build his program we are Big 12 champs this year. Snyder at LSU the last 3 years and they are a mid tier SEC team. It's pretty clear.
God damn. I mean, I know you are joking, but that is just so dumb. Like for real. You are so dumb. Les did less with more at OKST(more money, better facilities, more money) than Snyder did in his first term...not to mention the fact that OBZ took us to the Cotton Bowl in his third year... did OKState ever make a bowl as prestigious as the Cotton Bowl? Or win the Big XII?
not joking at all. and I'm right.
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ask yourself this- If Miles coached the Wildcats this year how many games do we win. If snyder coached the tigers how many?
Theres your answer.
If Miles had three years at KSU to build his program we are Big 12 champs this year. Snyder at LSU the last 3 years and they are a mid tier SEC team. It's pretty clear.
God damn. I mean, I know you are joking, but that is just so dumb. Like for real. You are so dumb. Les did less with more at OKST(more money, better facilities, more money) than Snyder did in his first term...not to mention the fact that OBZ took us to the Cotton Bowl in his third year... did OKState ever make a bowl as prestigious as the Cotton Bowl? Or win the Big XII?
not joking at all. and I'm right.
No, you are not. Les never had the type of success that Snyder had while at a comparable school with better recruiting abilities and nicer facilities and higher paid assistants. So to say flip positionsx and Les wins the confy is a bit of a big step to make. Following your base of logic here and Snyder would've won every game on the schedule by 330 or more
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ask yourself this- If Miles coached the Wildcats this year how many games do we win. If snyder coached the tigers how many?
Theres your answer.
If Miles had three years at KSU to build his program we are Big 12 champs this year. Snyder at LSU the last 3 years and they are a mid tier SEC team. It's pretty clear.
God damn. I mean, I know you are joking, but that is just so dumb. Like for real. You are so dumb. Les did less with more at OKST(more money, better facilities, more money) than Snyder did in his first term...not to mention the fact that OBZ took us to the Cotton Bowl in his third year... did OKState ever make a bowl as prestigious as the Cotton Bowl? Or win the Big XII?
not joking at all. and I'm right.
No, you are not. Les never had the type of success that Snyder had while at a comparable school with better recruiting abilities and nicer facilities and higher paid assistants. So to say flip positionsx and Les wins the confy is a bit of a big step to make. Following your base of logic here and Snyder would've won every game on the schedule by 330 or more
In Bill's first 4 years at KSU he won 18 games and never went to a bowl game. In Les's 4 years at OSU he won 28 games and went to three bowl games. And don't give me that crap about Les being at a better program. In the 12 years before Les got there they had 1 winning season. They were the KState of Oklahoma. He turned them around significantly faster than Bill turned around Kansas State. Being a huge homer is fun/easy but it does't help your argument.
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ask yourself this- If Miles coached the Wildcats this year how many games do we win. If snyder coached the tigers how many?
Theres your answer.
If Miles had three years at KSU to build his program we are Big 12 champs this year. Snyder at LSU the last 3 years and they are a mid tier SEC team. It's pretty clear.
God damn. I mean, I know you are joking, but that is just so dumb. Like for real. You are so dumb. Les did less with more at OKST(more money, better facilities, more money) than Snyder did in his first term...not to mention the fact that OBZ took us to the Cotton Bowl in his third year... did OKState ever make a bowl as prestigious as the Cotton Bowl? Or win the Big XII?
not joking at all. and I'm right.
No, you are not. Les never had the type of success that Snyder had while at a comparable school with better recruiting abilities and nicer facilities and higher paid assistants. So to say flip positionsx and Les wins the confy is a bit of a big step to make. Following your base of logic here and Snyder would've won every game on the schedule by 330 or more
In Bill's first 4 years at KSU he won 18 games and never went to a bowl game. In Les's 4 years at OSU he won 28 games and went to three bowl games. And don't give me that crap about Les being at a better program. In the 12 years before Les got there they had 1 winning season. They were the KState of Oklahoma. He turned them around significantly faster than Bill turned around Kansas State. Being a huge homer is fun/easy but it does't help your argument.
Without doing any homework (because it's easier to just read other people's arguments and poke holes than present my own), wouldn't Bill's second stint at KSU be more comparable to Les' time at OSU as opposed to the early 90's? The climate of sports, and football mostly, is/was different in those different times.
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ask yourself this- If Miles coached the Wildcats this year how many games do we win. If snyder coached the tigers how many?
Theres your answer.
If Miles had three years at KSU to build his program we are Big 12 champs this year. Snyder at LSU the last 3 years and they are a mid tier SEC team. It's pretty clear.
God damn. I mean, I know you are joking, but that is just so dumb. Like for real. You are so dumb. Les did less with more at OKST(more money, better facilities, more money) than Snyder did in his first term...not to mention the fact that OBZ took us to the Cotton Bowl in his third year... did OKState ever make a bowl as prestigious as the Cotton Bowl? Or win the Big XII?
not joking at all. and I'm right.
No, you are not. Les never had the type of success that Snyder had while at a comparable school with better recruiting abilities and nicer facilities and higher paid assistants. So to say flip positionsx and Les wins the confy is a bit of a big step to make. Following your base of logic here and Snyder would've won every game on the schedule by 330 or more
In Bill's first 4 years at KSU he won 18 games and never went to a bowl game. In Les's 4 years at OSU he won 28 games and went to three bowl games. And don't give me that crap about Les being at a better program. In the 12 years before Les got there they had 1 winning season. They were the KState of Oklahoma. He turned them around significantly faster than Bill turned around Kansas State. Being a huge homer is fun/easy but it does't help your argument.
Without doing any homework (because it's easier to just read other people's arguments and poke holes than present my own), wouldn't Bill's second stint at KSU be more comparable to Les' time at OSU as opposed to the early 90's? The climate of sports, and football mostly, is/was different in those different times.
OK, compare current Les to current Bill then. In either case, Bill comes out the loser.
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ask yourself this- If Miles coached the Wildcats this year how many games do we win. If snyder coached the tigers how many?
Theres your answer.
If Miles had three years at KSU to build his program we are Big 12 champs this year. Snyder at LSU the last 3 years and they are a mid tier SEC team. It's pretty clear.
God damn. I mean, I know you are joking, but that is just so dumb. Like for real. You are so dumb. Les did less with more at OKST(more money, better facilities, more money) than Snyder did in his first term...not to mention the fact that OBZ took us to the Cotton Bowl in his third year... did OKState ever make a bowl as prestigious as the Cotton Bowl? Or win the Big XII?
not joking at all. and I'm right.
No, you are not. Les never had the type of success that Snyder had while at a comparable school with better recruiting abilities and nicer facilities and higher paid assistants. So to say flip positionsx and Les wins the confy is a bit of a big step to make. Following your base of logic here and Snyder would've won every game on the schedule by 330 or more
In Bill's first 4 years at KSU he won 18 games and never went to a bowl game. In Les's 4 years at OSU he won 28 games and went to three bowl games. And don't give me that crap about Les being at a better program. In the 12 years before Les got there they had 1 winning season. They were the KState of Oklahoma. He turned them around significantly faster than Bill turned around Kansas State. Being a huge homer is fun/easy but it does't help your argument.
Without doing any homework (because it's easier to just read other people's arguments and poke holes than present my own), wouldn't Bill's second stint at KSU be more comparable to Les' time at OSU as opposed to the early 90's? The climate of sports, and football mostly, is/was different in those different times.
OK, compare current Les to current Bill then. In either case, Bill comes out the loser.
I'm saying comparing Les at OSU vs Bill now.
Since we are having hypotheticals. IF KSU wins a CC next year and is in the talk for a Natty. And LSU has a similar season (CC, in talk for Natty) next year. And the COY was between those two, would you still give Les the nod?
I'll listen off air.
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I don't want to reward coaches for exceeding the crap expectations that they've earned for themselves.
Well played sir.
I just hope Snyder wins Coach of the Cotton Bowl. That's really all I care about.
Well, he'll win ednksu's coach of the cotton bowl award so long as the Cats cover the spread.
good to see you people expose your own inability to read. Please note where I'm more against Les getting this than Bill getting it. Keep swallowing that SEC load.
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ask yourself this- If Miles coached the Wildcats this year how many games do we win. If snyder coached the tigers how many?
Theres your answer.
If Miles had three years at KSU to build his program we are Big 12 champs this year. Snyder at LSU the last 3 years and they are a mid tier SEC team. It's pretty clear.
God damn. I mean, I know you are joking, but that is just so dumb. Like for real. You are so dumb. Les did less with more at OKST(more money, better facilities, more money) than Snyder did in his first term...not to mention the fact that OBZ took us to the Cotton Bowl in his third year... did OKState ever make a bowl as prestigious as the Cotton Bowl? Or win the Big XII?
not joking at all. and I'm right.
No, you are not. Les never had the type of success that Snyder had while at a comparable school with better recruiting abilities and nicer facilities and higher paid assistants. So to say flip positionsx and Les wins the confy is a bit of a big step to make. Following your base of logic here and Snyder would've won every game on the schedule by 330 or more
In Bill's first 4 years at KSU he won 18 games and never went to a bowl game. In Les's 4 years at OSU he won 28 games and went to three bowl games. And don't give me that crap about Les being at a better program. In the 12 years before Les got there they had 1 winning season. They were the KState of Oklahoma. He turned them around significantly faster than Bill turned around Kansas State. Being a huge homer is fun/easy but it does't help your argument.
Without doing any homework (because it's easier to just read other people's arguments and poke holes than present my own), wouldn't Bill's second stint at KSU be more comparable to Les' time at OSU as opposed to the early 90's? The climate of sports, and football mostly, is/was different in those different times.
OK, compare current Les to current Bill then. In either case, Bill comes out the loser.
I'm saying comparing Les at OSU vs Bill now.
Since we are having hypotheticals. IF KSU wins a CC next year and is in the talk for a Natty. And LSU has a similar season (CC, in talk for Natty) next year. And the COY was between those two, would you still give Les the nod?
I'll listen off air.
what if Bill had won out in any of his seasons coaching? I think you could make a good argument that he deserved the award. but he didn't. you are arguing against yourself at this point.
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ask yourself this- If Miles coached the Wildcats this year how many games do we win. If snyder coached the tigers how many?
Theres your answer.
If Miles had three years at KSU to build his program we are Big 12 champs this year. Snyder at LSU the last 3 years and they are a mid tier SEC team. It's pretty clear.
God damn. I mean, I know you are joking, but that is just so dumb. Like for real. You are so dumb. Les did less with more at OKST(more money, better facilities, more money) than Snyder did in his first term...not to mention the fact that OBZ took us to the Cotton Bowl in his third year... did OKState ever make a bowl as prestigious as the Cotton Bowl? Or win the Big XII?
not joking at all. and I'm right.
No, you are not. Les never had the type of success that Snyder had while at a comparable school with better recruiting abilities and nicer facilities and higher paid assistants. So to say flip positionsx and Les wins the confy is a bit of a big step to make. Following your base of logic here and Snyder would've won every game on the schedule by 330 or more
In Bill's first 4 years at KSU he won 18 games and never went to a bowl game. In Les's 4 years at OSU he won 28 games and went to three bowl games. And don't give me that crap about Les being at a better program. In the 12 years before Les got there they had 1 winning season. They were the KState of Oklahoma. He turned them around significantly faster than Bill turned around Kansas State. Being a huge homer is fun/easy but it does't help your argument.
Without doing any homework (because it's easier to just read other people's arguments and poke holes than present my own), wouldn't Bill's second stint at KSU be more comparable to Les' time at OSU as opposed to the early 90's? The climate of sports, and football mostly, is/was different in those different times.
OK, compare current Les to current Bill then. In either case, Bill comes out the loser.
I'm saying comparing Les at OSU vs Bill now.
Since we are having hypotheticals. IF KSU wins a CC next year and is in the talk for a Natty. And LSU has a similar season (CC, in talk for Natty) next year. And the COY was between those two, would you still give Les the nod?
I'll listen off air.
what if Bill had won out in any of his seasons coaching? I think you could make a good argument that he deserved the award. but he didn't. you are arguing against yourself at this point.
I'm not arguing for anything. Just trying to understand the thoughts going into the arguments being made.
12 days til Top 5 BCS!
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sorry, thought you were the frank you guy. yes, I would think that Bill would have just as good a shot at COY as Les if they were both in the NC title next year.
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I don't want to reward coaches for exceeding the crap expectations that they've earned for themselves.
Well played sir.
I just hope Snyder wins Coach of the Cotton Bowl. That's really all I care about.
Well, he'll win ednksu's coach of the cotton bowl award so long as the Cats cover the spread.
good to see you people expose your own inability to read. Please note where I'm more against Les getting this than Bill getting it. Keep swallowing that SEC load.
Oh, I thought I read that you put a lot of stock in outdoing expectations, thus my comment about beating the spread.
what do you not understand about their projections? Preseason they were suppose to be BCS bowl bound, some picked NC bound. The team was suppose to be great.
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I don't want to reward coaches for exceeding the crap expectations that they've earned for themselves.
Well played sir.
I just hope Snyder wins Coach of the Cotton Bowl. That's really all I care about.
Well, he'll win ednksu's coach of the cotton bowl award so long as the Cats cover the spread.
good to see you people expose your own inability to read. Please note where I'm more against Les getting this than Bill getting it. Keep swallowing that SEC load.
Oh, I thought I read that you put a lot of stock in outdoing expectations, thus my comment about beating the spread.
what do you not understand about their projections? Preseason they were suppose to be BCS bowl bound, some picked NC bound. The team was suppose to be great.
the tired diatribe on here gets old. No one can make a point without someone coming up with a bullshit response.
Would you give your award of salesperson of the year to someone in a bigger market who met their expectations or would you give it to someone in a smaller market who beat projections that would rival the numbers from a larger market?
Simple logic, Les has met expectations. The best argument for him and not Bill is that the prior work (recruiting, program building, etc) was done much better at LSU. But in that same token we need to examine the other factors. The SEC is pushed as the best conference, Saban built LSU which all have ignored here, into a power and Les just had to keep the ship right. If we are going to include things off the field like recruiting than we should examine Les losing control of his teams, his starters/ stars.
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I don't want to reward coaches for exceeding the crap expectations that they've earned for themselves.
Well played sir.
I just hope Snyder wins Coach of the Cotton Bowl. That's really all I care about.
Well, he'll win ednksu's coach of the cotton bowl award so long as the Cats cover the spread.
good to see you people expose your own inability to read. Please note where I'm more against Les getting this than Bill getting it. Keep swallowing that SEC load.
Oh, I thought I read that you put a lot of stock in outdoing expectations, thus my comment about beating the spread.
what do you not understand about their projections? Preseason they were suppose to be BCS bowl bound, some picked NC bound. The team was suppose to be great.
the tired diatribe on here gets old. No one can make a point without someone coming up with a bullshit response.
Would you give your award of salesperson of the year to someone in a bigger market who met their expectations or would you give it to someone in a smaller market who beat projections that would rival the numbers from a larger market?
Simple logic, Les has met expectations. The best argument for him and not Bill is that the prior work (recruiting, program building, etc) was done much better at LSU. But in that same token we need to examine the other factors. The SEC is pushed as the best conference, Saban built LSU which all have ignored here, into a power and Les just had to keep the ship right. If we are going to include things off the field like recruiting than we should examine Les losing control of his teams, his starters/ stars.
Man, you've got a lot of work to do to convince all the voters you're right. Good luck. If you deal with any who do basketball too, tell them how much Pullen sucked.
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I don't want to reward coaches for exceeding the crap expectations that they've earned for themselves.
Well played sir.
I just hope Snyder wins Coach of the Cotton Bowl. That's really all I care about.
Well, he'll win ednksu's coach of the cotton bowl award so long as the Cats cover the spread.
good to see you people expose your own inability to read. Please note where I'm more against Les getting this than Bill getting it. Keep swallowing that SEC load.
Oh, I thought I read that you put a lot of stock in outdoing expectations, thus my comment about beating the spread.
what do you not understand about their projections? Preseason they were suppose to be BCS bowl bound, some picked NC bound. The team was suppose to be great.
the tired diatribe on here gets old. No one can make a point without someone coming up with a bullshit response.
Would you give your award of salesperson of the year to someone in a bigger market who met their expectations or would you give it to someone in a smaller market who beat projections that would rival the numbers from a larger market?
Simple logic, Les has met expectations. The best argument for him and not Bill is that the prior work (recruiting, program building, etc) was done much better at LSU. But in that same token we need to examine the other factors. The SEC is pushed as the best conference, Saban built LSU which all have ignored here, into a power and Les just had to keep the ship right. If we are going to include things off the field like recruiting than we should examine Les losing control of his teams, his starters/ stars.
Man, you've got a lot of work to do to convince all the voters you're right. Good luck. If you deal with any who do basketball too, tell them how much Pullen sucked.
easy to do when you use logic and quotes from players saying the exact same thing! :driving: :thumbsup:
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as Bum Philips would say Bill will beat your'n with his'n, then beat his'n with your'n.
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as Bum Philips would say Bill will beat your'n with his'n, then beat his'n with your'n.
Can't wait for the excuses when Bama whips the greatest team EVER.
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All qualifiers for greatest team ever were contingent on them winning the NC dumbass
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All qualifiers for greatest team ever were contingent on them winning the NC dumbass
They won't
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All qualifiers for greatest team ever were contingent on them winning the NC dumbass
"Miles took the 6th best SEC team and turned them into the best team in the world. Advantage: Miles." Michigan Cat
Ergo to be the alleged best team in the world the NC is merely a formality.
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:lol: :grin:
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Yeah, they should go ahead and take back Les' trophy.
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lol. Snyder, the offensive master planner, had a great bowl season too dipshits. if only he had another 5 weeks to prepare he might have come up with a game plan to score 20 points and/or gain 250 yards against the worst defense in a shitty SEC.
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lol. Snyder, the offensive master planner, had a great bowl season too dipshits. if only he had another 5 weeks to prepare he might have come up with a game plan to score 20 points and/or gain 250 yards against the worst defense in a shitty SEC.
They should give it to Saban, not Snyder. He played in the only bowl game that anybody actually cares about and won it.
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lol. Snyder, the offensive master planner, had a great bowl season too dipshits. if only he had another 5 weeks to prepare he might have come up with a game plan to score 20 points and/or gain 250 yards against the worst defense in a shitty SEC.
They should give it to Saban, not Snyder. He played in the only bowl game that anybody actually cares about and won it.
Would be awkward, but the right call. Make Miles come up on stage after the NC and hand over the COTY trophy to Saban.
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Miles body of work during the season was better but what have you done for me lately Les? Saban looks like king now. Both did fantastic jobs. LHC Bill Snyder no longer in the conversation after his bed shitting in the bowl game.
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Agreed on Bill.
Les was horrible in a horrible game.
I think it would help if he would actually watch the game. Every time the cam went to him, he was staring off into space.
Also, if you are going to give out a coaching troph in the SEC, it should always go to either Cam Newton or the Defensive Coord. I mean, 0pts, JFC Les.
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Miles body of work during the season was better but what have you done for me lately Les? Saban looks like king now. Both did fantastic jobs. LHC LHC Bill Snyder no longer in the conversation after his bed shitting in the bowl game.
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Miles body of work during the season was better but what have you done for me lately Les? Saban looks like king now. Both did fantastic jobs. LHC Bill Snyder no longer in the conversation after his bed shitting in the bowl game.
Seems like he should have spent less time playing billiards and more time scheming.
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Miles beat the winners of the Rose, Cotton, Sugar and Orange
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Miles beat the winners of the Rose, Cotton, Sugar and Orange
yeah, holy crap.
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Miles beat the winners of the Rose, Cotton, Sugar and Orange
not the sugar
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oops. i meant BCS Title. i'm not even sure who won the Sugar Bowl.
so better:
Miles beat the winners of the Rose ,Cotton, Orange and BCS Title Game. 2 of those were on the road and one was at a neutral site.
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oops. i meant BCS Title. i'm not even sure who won the Sugar Bowl.
so better:
Miles beat the winners of the Rose ,Cotton, Orange and BCS Title Game. 2 of those were on the road and one was at a neutral site.
Snyder lost to the winner of the insight bowl by 67 points at home. So that has to count for something.