Les Miles AP COY....

[OK_Cat]

ask yourself this- If Miles coached the Wildcats this year how many games do we win.  If snyder coached the tigers how many?

 Theres your answer.

If Miles had three years at KSU to build his program we are Big 12 champs this year.  Snyder at LSU the last 3 years and they are a mid tier SEC team.  It's pretty clear. 

This is both comical and ignorant. Miles never even won the South at LSU so what would make you possibly think he could win the Big XII at KSU in 3 years? Even the year he won the MNC he lost 2 games with a team far more talented than the ones he lost to.

If Snyder had gone to LSU or Bama back in '89 instead of here the man would have rewritten all the records. Bama would've taken Bear Bryants name off the stadium and replaced it with Snyder's.

oh eff off  :powerespect:

[steve dave]

Snyder would do poorly at a legitimate big time program. He is pefect for us and we are perfect for him.

[sonofdaxjones]

Snyder would do poorly at a legitimate big time program. He is pefect for us and we are perfect for him.

Yep . . . given his personality, I doubt if he could handle the level of questions and demand for access at a program like LSU.

   

[michigancat]

I'm sure Bama fan would be absolutely delighted if he announced he would no longer try to compete with Auburn or Tennessee for recruits.

[Katpappy]

ask yourself this- If Miles coached the Wildcats this year how many games do we win.  If snyder coached the tigers how many?

 Theres your answer.

If Miles had three years at KSU to build his program we are Big 12 champs this year.  Snyder at LSU the last 3 years and they are a mid tier SEC team.  It's pretty clear. 

SD, you're usually pretty clear headed, but if Gatoveintisiete is saying the players/team are the same... then that is about the stupidest rough ridin' statement I ever seen you make.  Now if you're saying that Miles had 3 yrs to build his team and Synder had the same opportunity at LSU then you may be pointing to the fact OB may round up a bunch of DITR's and never see the type of recruits the Miles could assesmble.  Under those circumstances, yea you got a point.  I'm just not sure that was the question.

[steve dave]

ask yourself this- If Miles coached the Wildcats this year how many games do we win.  If snyder coached the tigers how many?

 Theres your answer.

If Miles had three years at KSU to build his program we are Big 12 champs this year.  Snyder at LSU the last 3 years and they are a mid tier SEC team.  It's pretty clear. 

SD, you're usually pretty clear headed, but if Gatoveintisiete is saying the players/team are the same... then that is about the stupidest rough ridin' statement I ever seen you make.  Now if you're saying that Miles had 3 yrs to build his team and Synder had the same opportunity at LSU then you may be pointing to the fact OB may round up a bunch of DITR's and never see the type of recruits the Miles could assesmble.  Under those circumstances, yea you got a point.  I'm just not sure that was the question.

no, I'm always clear headed.

[michigancat]

Does anyone remember when Les took a bunch of DITR's and kicked the ever loving crap out of Bill's most talented team of all time?

[Special_k]

Does anyone remember when Les took a bunch of DITR's and kicked the ever loving crap out of Bill's most talented team of all time?

You mean the game where Ell came back too early from injury and looked like he was on 5 times the recommended dose of oxy so he didn't feel the pain from his torn rotator cuff? Yeah, I remember that game.

Miles's best year at OSU was that 9-4 season, and his overall conference record at OSU was 16-16. Even LSU's best years prior to this one, Miles never lost less than 2 games. With the kind of talent he had the year they won the title, he should have mowed the road with every team on his schedule, but he somehow managed to lose to an unranked Arkansas team and a middle tier Kentucky team.

[gatoveintisiete]

LMAO at tards that think Miles is a better football coach than Snyder. 

[ednksu]

Snyder would do poorly at a legitimate big time program. He is pefect for us and we are perfect for him.

Yep . . . given his personality, I doubt if he could handle the level of questions and demand for access at a program like LSU.

   

Dax this is honestly one of your top 10 worst posts.  Its like you've never watched a Saban press conference.  The only difference in access is that Nick will tell the press to eff off where as Bill will just resort to a chopping wood comment.

[fatty fat fat]

we are kstate fans. it's a tragedy miles won it over synder.

[steve dave]

we are kstate fans. it's a tragedy miles won it over synder.

agreed

[SdK]

I don't understand why people make absolute statements about hypotheticals 

Miles couldn't win 10 with KSU this year....Snyder would suck balls at LSU?

Moving Snyder to a place that has a lot of in state talent would make him a do worse?

If Miles was our coach for the end of the OSU game, we win, but maybe we'd be like ISU. Who the eff knows?

Miles took a team that was supposed to be good and made sure they were good. Snyder took a team that was supposed to suck and made them good. If you trust the media and the coaches projections, Snyder did the better coaching. If you think every team starts out even and the award is based on the teams performance throughout the year, then Miles gets it. IMO!

[steve dave]

Snyder has taken multiple teams that were supposed to be good to the failure bowl

[michigancat]

Does anyone remember when Les took a bunch of DITR's and kicked the ever loving crap out of Bill's most talented team of all time?

You mean the game where Ell came back too early from injury and looked like he was on 5 times the recommended dose of oxy so he didn't feel the pain from his torn rotator cuff? Yeah, I remember that game.

Thank heavens Les didn't have any injuries or suspensions to deal with this year.

Miles took a team that was supposed to be good and made sure they were good. Snyder took a team that was supposed to suck and made them good. If you trust the media and the coaches projections, Snyder did the better coaching. If you think every team starts out even and the award is based on the teams performance throughout the year, then Miles gets it. IMO!

Les didn't just make a team that was supposed to be good and made them good. He took a team that was supposed to be good and made them one of the greatest teams in the last 20 years. Bill took a team that was supposed to suck and made them top 10. Both are great, but I think you are underestimating how good LSU's run was this year.

[steve dave]

7 teams.  Les beat 7 teams that are playing bowl games 12/31 or later.  he beat 3 bcs teams. he has done everything you could ask of him.  bill hasn't.  this isn't hard if you aren't a dumbass. 

[wetwillie]

Maybe bill can get the consolation prize of doing the most with the least.

[DQ12]

we are kstate fans. it's a tragedy miles won it over synder.

If you can step back, for a moment, you can understand that it's not as big of a travesty as everyone is making it out to be.

Snyder's great.  We know that.  America knows that.  Just because he had an unexpectedly good season doesn't merit him an AP COY honor.

We had a great season.  Let's enjoy that.

[gatoveintisiete]

It wasn't a great season, as much as you tards are into recruiting and high level talent you would think you could appreciate that Snyder took his band of "Corkys" and did the best coaching job in the history of sport.  This
team has no talent whatsoever outside of Arthur.  eff Les Miles, that wasn't any masterful coaching job, they got lucky to beat Alabama and I wouldn't be surprised to see them lose the rematch.  This season alone
should be put on a pedestal right next to the turnaround.  rough ridin' Les Miles, give me a break. 

[DQ12]

It wasn't a great season, as much as you tards are into recruiting and high level talent you would think you could appreciate that Snyder took his band of "Corkys" and did the best coaching job in the history of sport.  This
team has no talent whatsoever outside of Arthur.  eff Les Miles, that wasn't any masterful coaching job, they got lucky to beat Alabama and I wouldn't be surprised to see them lose the rematch.  This season alone
should be put on a pedestal right next to the turnaround.  rough ridin' Les Miles, give me a break. 

Don't take it so personally.

It's been so much fun.  Enjoy it.

[ednksu]

Does anyone remember when Les took a bunch of DITR's and kicked the ever loving crap out of Bill's most talented team of all time?

You mean the game where Ell came back too early from injury and looked like he was on 5 times the recommended dose of oxy so he didn't feel the pain from his torn rotator cuff? Yeah, I remember that game.

Thank heavens Les didn't have any injuries or suspensions to deal with this year.

Miles took a team that was supposed to be good and made sure they were good. Snyder took a team that was supposed to suck and made them good. If you trust the media and the coaches projections, Snyder did the better coaching. If you think every team starts out even and the award is based on the teams performance throughout the year, then Miles gets it. IMO!

Les didn't just make a team that was supposed to be good and made them good. He took a team that was supposed to be good and made them one of the greatest teams in the last 20 years. Bill took a team that was supposed to suck and made them top 10. Both are great, but I think you are underestimating how good LSU's run was this year.

what do you not understand about their projections? Preseason they were suppose to be BCS bowl bound, some picked NC bound.  The team was suppose to be great.  Next they are not in the greatest of the past 20 years.  That is just plain absurd.  Oregon game them 14 points for the hell of it.  West Virginia is crap, from a crap conference.  The rest of their noncon is pud teams of no consequence.  The bottom half of the SEC are auto wins.  ISU would be an 7 or 8 win team in the SEC.  The only good win is against Bama where Bama gave the game away with a field goal kicker who sucks.

To bring injuries and suspension in on the favor of LSU shows just how absurd your point of view is.  Les lost control of his team and his star players, yet another reason he shouldn't be considered.  Sure Snyder has had issues with players stepping out, never with gang beatings like LSU this year.

[steve dave]

Getting that talent is Bill's job. Not doing so is Bill's failure. It's the primary reason he doesn't deserve the award.  any talking point about injuries, etc. is just hilarious homerism. 

[michigancat]

what do you not understand about their projections? Preseason they were suppose to be BCS bowl bound, some picked NC bound.  The team was suppose to be great.  Next they are not in the greatest of the past 20 years.  That is just plain absurd.  Oregon game them 14 points for the hell of it.  West Virginia is crap, from a crap conference.  The rest of their noncon is pud teams of no consequence.  The bottom half of the SEC are auto wins.  ISU would be an 7 or 8 win team in the SEC.  The only good win is against Bama where Bama gave the game away with a field goal kicker who sucks.

What are some better runs over the last 20 years?

[Trim]

what do you not understand about their projections? Preseason they were suppose to be BCS bowl bound, some picked NC bound.  The team was suppose to be great.  Next they are not in the greatest of the past 20 years.  That is just plain absurd.  Oregon game them 14 points for the hell of it.  West Virginia is crap, from a crap conference.  The rest of their noncon is pud teams of no consequence.  The bottom half of the SEC are auto wins.  ISU would be an 7 or 8 win team in the SEC.  The only good win is against Bama where Bama gave the game away with a field goal kicker who sucks.

To bring injuries and suspension in on the favor of LSU shows just how absurd your point of view is.  Les lost control of his team and his star players, yet another reason he shouldn't be considered.  Sure Snyder has had issues with players stepping out, never with gang beatings like LSU this year.

There's a lot of dumb crap here, but the dumbest is probably the premise that coaches are dealt teams like poker hands and that the measure of their skill is how they do with the hands they're dealt.

[ednksu]

what do you not understand about their projections? Preseason they were suppose to be BCS bowl bound, some picked NC bound.  The team was suppose to be great.  Next they are not in the greatest of the past 20 years.  That is just plain absurd.  Oregon game them 14 points for the hell of it.  West Virginia is crap, from a crap conference.  The rest of their noncon is pud teams of no consequence.  The bottom half of the SEC are auto wins.  ISU would be an 7 or 8 win team in the SEC.  The only good win is against Bama where Bama gave the game away with a field goal kicker who sucks.

To bring injuries and suspension in on the favor of LSU shows just how absurd your point of view is.  Les lost control of his team and his star players, yet another reason he shouldn't be considered.  Sure Snyder has had issues with players stepping out, never with gang beatings like LSU this year.

There's a lot of dumb crap here, but the dumbest is probably the premise that coaches are dealt teams like poker hands and that the measure of their skill is how they do with the hands they're dealt.

where the hell did you get that.  I've intentionally steered away from recruiting because I know that is the biggest weakness to Snyder right now.  Try and keep up with the conversation.  We've all worked around this point.  Is this an award based on projections and completions, or based on accomplishments for the stuff outside of the year.  These players were all before the 2011 year.  So at the start of the season we had one coach who was picked nearly dead last in the best league versus a coach who was picked to win in all from an over hyped league.

Part of my issue with you people comes from the beef I have with the SEC load swallowing, which many like Rusty, are doing a fine job of.  The SEC is not as good as the Big 12.  Half of their league are auto wins for any decent program. Les did what he was suppose to do in an overvalued league.  He won with superior talent against some good teams, which he struggled against, and some (the majority) decent to mediocre teams.