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Peggy Po's
#TeamAngel makes a come back! A lot was asked for Angel/ar-t tonight as Sprads fouled out in the first OT and Angel handled the ball exclusively in 2OT. His defense was significant. 2 steals, forced a 5 second call. Threw a nice assist for a finish on a 2-on-1. Another 0-fer when one would've been critical. The 4th one doesn't really count. But that still puts him 3-19 on the season and 0-10 in his last 3. He is the engine of the team and gives us an energy we otherwise lack. He is not ready to put the team on his back, but it wasn't fair for the team to ask. Sprads and Jamar? We'll get to those Nancy's later. I want to take this moment to issue a formal apology to sys: the on-ball defense showed.
McGruder lead the team in minutes, points. He still feels like a role player punching above his weight. The shot seems to be coming on a little, but he was still only 2 for 8 on the night and 7-31 on the year. His 3 pointer to bring it back to 20 all was big, his leaner to take it to a 2OT was huge, but at no point was he in danger of creating a shot or taking over the game. That is the problem with this team. He is clearly our best player, but he is Cartier Martin. He cannot carry the team. Gipson may be able to someday (and may that day come soon) but he isn't ready yet and his size/position will always put some limits on when he can carry the load and the kinds of shots he will be able to get. It is not all McGruder's fault, but he just has not taken the next step. Maybe this is just who he is. Every team in the nation would take him, but very few tournament teams would take him as their best scorer. Until he develops something more off a pump fake, the bounce, or starts hitting 3's at a .400ish clip we are in deep, deep trouble.
Gipson came up huge again and again. Double-Double, 15-10. He plays tough, he has hands, he passes out of the block, he came up absolutely huge with the bucket to make it 3 towards the end of regulation. I love him really hard. However, it is becoming worrisome that he is still out of shape enough that he is only playing 28 minutes in a 2OT game. Granted he struggled with fouls (a couple were questionable), but he cannot cede his minutes to Adrian Diaz. He has to realize the importance of his being on the court. He looked less gassed in the OT's, but he only played 28 minutes and had more time to rest.
Tay with a decent day. 34 minutes, 5 assists, 3 steals, 6 points. He is what he is. He probably should've taken a couple looks from 3. He is not taking many more minutes from Angel. Sad story. I hope tay doesn't start sulking on the bench with Omari. It would be sad. My guess is Shane and he start splitting minutes more equitably as Shane continues to do Shane things and drive Frank crazy.
Nancy Neg's
Jamar being Jamar. Yup. Really nothing to say except the corner has not been turned. I mean even I had to laugh when he got the double foul. Just a tremendous Jamar meltdown all around. More than enough there to get you legitimately pissed off that he was taking himself off the court. Did not handle the physicality inside at all. Reverted to wild arms when he encountered any contact on bunnies or boards.
JO is completely unable to handle physicality. Just so it is out there. Want a scouting report on dunksonbitches? Push him off the block and make him defend someone outside the paint. Both are disasters. Anytime he gets tangled up inside the playground ball of the paint, he just completely folds, He also can't rebound in traffic so that's a nice follow up. He will still provide a serious presence defensively, but intermittantly. I may have been too high on his offensive game or this may be the exception to the rule. I expect a bounce back against n. florida, but what do we see against bama?
Shane being Shane I don't trust him at all. He is a terrible decision maker, offensively inept and mistake prone. I am starting to wonder if he is worth the incredibly average defense.
13 minutes of Adrian Diaz.
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Posted in a separate thread, moved here:
I'd post in a Peggy Po's/Nancy Neg's if it existed yet, but it doesn't, so I'll do this, instead.
First off, Frank shoulda called timeout with 7 or 8 seconds left in reg. Great work, Frank. :flush: Guess he was still mesmerized by JO's defense on that 3-pointer to tie.
Second, has any Frank team been able to consistently make layups/convert in transition/hold onto the ball under the basket on either end? Pulls and Dennis made layups during some of our runs, and Russell and Dom were able to score in transition during our hot stretches, but shazbot!...for a team that's supposed to be strong, we have not been consistently strong finishers around the hoop or been able to hang onto the ball down there, either. Cost us the game tonight.
Encouraged by Gipson's 2nd half play. Angel's obviously in a shooting slump, but I expect it to come around in time for him to be a valuable contributor this year. Irving still isn't very good offensively, but he played some really good defense tonight. Needs to be able to make his FTs.
JO did not have a good game. Sprads had a Sprads game, but it hurt having him foul out and not having him for the end. Gruds got two dece shots at end of the game for the lead and the tie and couldn't convert, but made other key shots throughout the game. Seems like a poor man's Cartier right now on offense, but his defense and boarding make him pretty valuable.
Jamar is Jamar.
Southwell is barely better than Ojeleye on offense. It stagnates when he's out there. It seems like it's just too fast for him on offense...he holds onto the ball, or dribbles around a bit, giving the defense time to set back up. Remarkable difference in offensive movement when he's in there and the ball is going through him. He was decent on defense, but gave up some plays on that end, too. Would be nice if we could avoid fouls so we could limit his minutes.
Lots of potential there for this team. Angel has the most potential to create shots, Rodney the most potential for set shots, and Spradling falls in between the two, but none of the three were able to convert down the stretch tonight. If one of them gets in a comfort zone, we'll have a go-to guy.
Now, just need to work on layups and holding onto the ball, and we'll be a much-improved team.
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Tay had a hell of a game tonight imo :dunno:
JO :flush:
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I want to take this moment to issue a formal apology to sys: the on-ball defense showed.
:love:
i think yall are being a little hard on southwell and a little high on irving, but i'll leave those fights for another day.
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I want to take this moment to issue a formal apology to sys: the on-ball defense showed.
:love:
i think yall are being a little hard on southwell and a little high on irving, but i'll leave those fights for another day.
I thought I was being a little soft on Southwell, actually. It was interesting watching the divergence of opinion on Twitter on his performance during the game.
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I don't think people here completely understand Southwell's role.
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I don't think people here completely understand Southwell's role.
I don't think he does, either.
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I don't think people here completely understand Southwell's role.
I don't think he does, either.
How do you explain his minutes?
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I don't think people here completely understand Southwell's role.
I don't think he does, either.
How do you explain his minutes?
Better players who get into foul trouble or have lousy practices.
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We are who we thought we were :dunno:
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I was fine with Shane tonight. It's gonna be like that for him every game. Make passes to keep the offense flowing, perhaps create some easy looks down low off a slashing drive against a smaller guard, and create mismatches with his defense. His goaltending play tonight though :flush:
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kinda Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) to put Diaz in the neg nancy category
really disappointed in Rodney not hitting a few clutch shots. Cliche, but that was the quietest 20pt game all season.
Ta needs to hit his rough ridin' FTs.
I really put this loss on Frank. Under 10 seconds, young team, call the damn timeout and settle the team down to get a play.
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I don't think people here completely understand Southwell's role.
I don't think he does, either.
How do you explain his minutes?
I know there is probably a reason why he plays. I just don't like him.
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Peggy Po's
#TeamAngel makes a come back! A lot was asked for Angel/ar-t tonight as Sprads fouled out in the first OT and Angel handled the ball exclusively in 2OT. His defense was significant. 2 steals, forced a 5 second call. Threw a nice assist for a finish on a 2-on-1. Another 0-fer when one would've been critical. The 4th one doesn't really count. But that still puts him 3-19 on the season and 0-10 in his last 3. He is the engine of the team and gives us an energy we otherwise lack. He is not ready to put the team on his back, but it wasn't fair for the team to ask. Sprads and Jamar? We'll get to those Nancy's later. I want to take this moment to issue a formal apology to sys: the on-ball defense showed.
McGruder lead the team in minutes, points. He still feels like a role player punching above his weight. The shot seems to be coming on a little, but he was still only 2 for 8 on the night and 7-31 on the year. His 3 pointer to bring it back to 20 all was big, his leaner to take it to a 2OT was huge, but at no point was he in danger of creating a shot or taking over the game. That is the problem with this team. He is clearly our best player, but he is Cartier Martin. He cannot carry the team. Gipson may be able to someday (and may that day come soon) but he isn't ready yet and his size/position will always put some limits on when he can carry the load and the kinds of shots he will be able to get. It is not all McGruder's fault, but he just has not taken the next step. Maybe this is just who he is. Every team in the nation would take him, but very few tournament teams would take him as their best scorer. Until he develops something more off a pump fake, the bounce, or starts hitting 3's at a .400ish clip we are in deep, deep trouble.
Gipson came up huge again and again. Double-Double, 15-10. He plays tough, he has hands, he passes out of the block, he came up absolutely huge with the bucket to make it 3 towards the end of regulation. I love him really hard. However, it is becoming worrisome that he is still out of shape enough that he is only playing 28 minutes in a 2OT game. Granted he struggled with fouls (a couple were questionable), but he cannot cede his minutes to Adrian Diaz. He has to realize the importance of his being on the court. He looked less gassed in the OT's, but he only played 28 minutes and had more time to rest.
Tay with a decent day. 34 minutes, 5 assists, 3 steals, 6 points. He is what he is. He probably should've taken a couple looks from 3. He is not taking many more minutes from Angel. Sad story. I hope tay doesn't start sulking on the bench with Omari. It would be sad. My guess is Shane and he start splitting minutes more equitably as Shane continues to do Shane things and drive Frank crazy.
Nancy Neg's
Jamar being Jamar. Yup. Really nothing to say except the corner has not been turned. I mean even I had to laugh when he got the double foul. Just a tremendous Jamar meltdown all around. More than enough there to get you legitimately pissed off that he was taking himself off the court. Did not handle the physicality inside at all. Reverted to wild arms when he encountered any contact on bunnies or boards.
JO is completely unable to handle physicality. Just so it is out there. Want a scouting report on dunksonbitches? Push him off the block and make him defend someone outside the paint. Both are disasters. Anytime he gets tangled up inside the playground ball of the paint, he just completely folds, He also can't rebound in traffic so that's a nice follow up. He will still provide a serious presence defensively, but intermittantly. I may have been too high on his offensive game or this may be the exception to the rule. I expect a bounce back against n. florida, but what do we see against bama?
Shane being Shane I don't trust him at all. He is a terrible decision maker, offensively inept and mistake prone. I am starting to wonder if he is worth the incredibly average defense.
13 minutes of Adrian Diaz.
Can't wait for Upshaw.. :love: :pray: :cheers:
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Peggy Po's
#TeamAngel makes a come back! A lot was asked for Angel/ar-t tonight as Sprads fouled out in the first OT and Angel handled the ball exclusively in 2OT. His defense was significant. 2 steals, forced a 5 second call. Threw a nice assist for a finish on a 2-on-1. Another 0-fer when one would've been critical. The 4th one doesn't really count. But that still puts him 3-19 on the season and 0-10 in his last 3. He is the engine of the team and gives us an energy we otherwise lack. He is not ready to put the team on his back, but it wasn't fair for the team to ask. Sprads and Jamar? We'll get to those Nancy's later. I want to take this moment to issue a formal apology to sys: the on-ball defense showed.
McGruder lead the team in minutes, points. He still feels like a role player punching above his weight. The shot seems to be coming on a little, but he was still only 2 for 8 on the night and 7-31 on the year. His 3 pointer to bring it back to 20 all was big, his leaner to take it to a 2OT was huge, but at no point was he in danger of creating a shot or taking over the game. That is the problem with this team. He is clearly our best player, but he is Cartier Martin. He cannot carry the team. Gipson may be able to someday (and may that day come soon) but he isn't ready yet and his size/position will always put some limits on when he can carry the load and the kinds of shots he will be able to get. It is not all McGruder's fault, but he just has not taken the next step. Maybe this is just who he is. Every team in the nation would take him, but very few tournament teams would take him as their best scorer. Until he develops something more off a pump fake, the bounce, or starts hitting 3's at a .400ish clip we are in deep, deep trouble.
Gipson came up huge again and again. Double-Double, 15-10. He plays tough, he has hands, he passes out of the block, he came up absolutely huge with the bucket to make it 3 towards the end of regulation. I love him really hard. However, it is becoming worrisome that he is still out of shape enough that he is only playing 28 minutes in a 2OT game. Granted he struggled with fouls (a couple were questionable), but he cannot cede his minutes to Adrian Diaz. He has to realize the importance of his being on the court. He looked less gassed in the OT's, but he only played 28 minutes and had more time to rest.
Tay with a decent day. 34 minutes, 5 assists, 3 steals, 6 points. He is what he is. He probably should've taken a couple looks from 3. He is not taking many more minutes from Angel. Sad story. I hope tay doesn't start sulking on the bench with Omari. It would be sad. My guess is Shane and he start splitting minutes more equitably as Shane continues to do Shane things and drive Frank crazy.
Nancy Neg's
Jamar being Jamar. Yup. Really nothing to say except the corner has not been turned. I mean even I had to laugh when he got the double foul. Just a tremendous Jamar meltdown all around. More than enough there to get you legitimately pissed off that he was taking himself off the court. Did not handle the physicality inside at all. Reverted to wild arms when he encountered any contact on bunnies or boards.
JO is completely unable to handle physicality. Just so it is out there. Want a scouting report on dunksonbitches? Push him off the block and make him defend someone outside the paint. Both are disasters. Anytime he gets tangled up inside the playground ball of the paint, he just completely folds, He also can't rebound in traffic so that's a nice follow up. He will still provide a serious presence defensively, but intermittantly. I may have been too high on his offensive game or this may be the exception to the rule. I expect a bounce back against n. florida, but what do we see against bama?
Shane being Shane I don't trust him at all. He is a terrible decision maker, offensively inept and mistake prone. I am starting to wonder if he is worth the incredibly average defense.
13 minutes of Adrian Diaz.
Diaz looks better than Jo as a freshman. imo.
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Peggy Po
-We look hell of a lot better than last year at this point.
-Our freshman stepped up and kept us in the game when Jamar and Sprads fouled out. Gipson & Angel are going to be real good. Diaz is going to be another JO with dreads. (which isn't bad)
-Rodney hit two 3 pointers! it's a step up!!! :excited:
-defense was good for the most part. If only we can get that offense rolling.
-Tay! I love him!
-Vic only played 1 min!
-Diaz had as many boards as JO and outplayed JO tonight.
-Angels/Shanes passing!
-Gipson's hands/freethrow shooting!
-Sprads walking the ball up the court while dribbling between his legs. I loved it!
-JYC!!!
Nancy Negs
-JO
-JO had as many boards as Diaz and was outplayed by Diaz tonight.
-JO dribbling down the court and throwing the ball as hard as he can at the backboard. :facepalm:
-JO goal tending
-Freethrows
-shooting down the stretch. We started off 6-13 from 3 and finished 6-21.
-Depth at post. After Gipson and Samuels it goes way down hill.
-We had nobody step up down the stretch. Pullen would have won that game single handed.
-Refs ruining the game in the 2nd half.
-Jamar. Not good Jamar. Not good.
-defense during overtime. Idk if we just got tired or what, but WV was scoring at will. Wish frank would have put Nino or Watson in. but whatevs.
This team is going to be good when conference play comes rolling around. We played 3 freshman down the stretch of a close game. The last time we played that many freshman during a close game early in the season was with Beasley/Walker/Pullen. I am already pumped for march!!! :bball:
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Peggy:
I got to give J-Mart a hug before the game. It felt good.
Gip - i was hesitant to buy into him until he faced a truly physical team, but i'm all in
Defense - agreed on the on ball defense.
Nancy:
angel - I simply refuse to look past his offense. It's awful. So much so it outweighs his defense (which really hasn't been good until last night - I mean, if you count fouling as being good then he's been excellent all season).
jamar - nobody gets a double foul like jamar. NOBODY.
mcgruds - he needs a slump buster, badly. his head is just not right. I mean, jfc, wide open f'ing 3balls.
jhr - i never bought in to him and never will.
definitely a NIT team.
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I want to take this moment to issue a formal apology to sys: the on-ball defense showed.
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i think yall are being a little hard on southwell and a little high on irving, but i'll leave those fights for another day.
Agree with Sys. I didn't mind Shane at all. Minus a couple drives to the basket where he probably should have went up with the ball instead of throwing it at someone's feet, I thought he was fine.
Hate Jamar
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Very entertaining game.
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Kevin Jones is what we all wish Jamar could be, and what I thought he could be after his first couple years :cry:
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How the eff does sprads foul out?
Gruds 0-2 in crunch time :eek:
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How the eff does sprads foul out?
Gruds 0-2 in crunch time :eek:
Good question since most of the game he was getting his ankles broken and giving up layups.
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How the eff does sprads foul out?
Gruds 0-2 in crunch time :eek:
uh, end of the first OT??
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This team doesn't have a guy who can take the big shot. That's gonna hurt us in a lot of close games. We've been spoiled by Jake being that guy.
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Peggy Po:
Bee Beard Guy and his Super Serious Hoodie Friend. Enjoyed these two all night. Almost as much as Court-Side High-Fiving Old Guys (and only a few notches more than Waving-My-Arms-So-Let's-Make-Some-Noise-Guy (who looked like he was probably a rock climber or something. Very lean and muscly looking).
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So many times in the second half, Sprads and McOrebs would have the ball at the top of the arc, and you'd think "Here's where they're going to pull back and hit a three, just like Pullen would" :frown:
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Peggy Po:
Bee Beard Guy and his Super Serious Hoodie Friend. Enjoyed these two all night. Almost as much as Court-Side High-Fiving Old Guys (and only a few notches more than Waving-My-Arms-So-Let's-Make-Some-Noise-Guy (who looked like he was probably a rock climber or something. Very lean and muscly looking).
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great points, fr. I thought Bee Beard Guy was the lead singer from Band of Horses :horrorsurprise:
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Kevin Jones is a top 50 recruit and a senior.
I generally like not calling timeouts at end of games. Coaches generally outhink themselves. And IIRC, we got a bad shot and a slightly above average shot from the not calling a TO possession. I think,
Of course, Frank got a great look for Rod out of a TO at the end of the game, but still.
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Kevin Jones is a top 50 recruit and a senior.
I generally like not calling timeouts at end of games. Coaches generally outhink themselves. And IIRC, we got a bad shot and a slightly above average shot from the not calling a TO possession. I think,
Of course, Frank got a great look for Rod out of a TO at the end of the game, but still.
McGrud's last two shots were excellent shots. I didn't really have a problem with not calling TO, Huggs made a great move by going to the 1-3-1 in that situation.
There have been plenty of legit complaints about Samuels, but losing him on the questionable charge with 2 minutes left really hurt us. And having him only play 20 minutes all night didn't help either. Granted, at least of his 3 fouls were probably good calls. It would've been nice to have him to guard Jones on the last possession and as another offensive rebounding threat in both OTs.
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Anybody else have a meltdown when Shane stole WV's inbound pass and drove coast-to-coast? But then he made the layup; no meltdown necessary :gocho: (until later)
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PPs:
We had great effort for 40 minutes (no wait, 50 minutes). Could definitely tell the team was amped and ready to go. Granted, we didn't have a good offensive performance, but the involvement and effort was present, esp. in the first half, where it's been lacking.
Gip, while showing signs of being inexperienced and making some mistakes, held it together, played good minutes for a long time w/o picking up the 5th foul, and was great in the final minutes of reg. and OTs. Continue to be very impressed and excited about him.
Sprads... totally surprised when he fouled out -- guess I was not paying attention to how many fouls he committed, but he's a PP because he was the only consistent (mostly) offensive threat from our guards, and having him out hurt even more than Samuel's IMO. Didn't score much late, but also WV was playing some pretty good D as well -- didn't make a lot of mistakes.
Team defense. This goes along w/ the effort point, but it's worth noting that we played quite well defensively for most of the game. Good sign.
Martin's coaching. Thought he did overall a good job (did want him to call a TO at the end of regulation, but oh well), finding ways to exploit the zone in the OTs, with layups underneath, etc. Well coached on both sides.
NNs
Gruds' inconsistency. His inability to hit the available shots at the end cost us the game. Granted he was aggressive and kept us in it with a great lay-in in OT, but the key word is inconsistent. His shot may very well come around, but it was disappointing to see him miss the great shot Martin got him out of the TO especially. Hard to bag on him too much... just hope for his game to get ironed out more as the season goes on.
Samuels' lack of improvement. Yeah, same ol' Samuels. Good to have on the team, no doubt, but leaving a lot of untapped potential out there, and disappointing not to see more maturity and leadership as a senior.
JO. Had a few really good plays defensively, but we obviously needed more from him.
Seriously, guys. Make layups. Please.
Jury still out
Angel. Potential, and flashes of greatness. Still early.
Diaz. Could develop into a good role player. Prolly take some time.
Summary
Really enjoyed this game, actually. I mean, very entertaining, hard-fought, JYC intensity, double OT, good coaching, etc. Was disappointed that we couldn't pull it off at the end, but thought the game really came down to WV making a number of clutch baskets, while we couldn't quite match that offensively. Tough loss, but valuable experience at this point in the season.
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I noticed earlier in the season that Diaz has creepily small hands. He is tall and has long arms but his hands are smaller than Angel's. It's all I can think about when he is on the court.
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I know we lost, but my happiness over Gipson is overshadowing it. I just love that big guy.
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I noticed earlier in the season that Diaz has creepily small hands. He is tall and has long arms but his hands are smaller than Angel's. It's all I can think about when he is on the court.
You know what they say about small hands? :peek:
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http://twitpic.com/7qvm1u
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Peggy Po: Huggy Bear's Daughter
Nancy Neg: Frank destroying guys at critical points of the game. I'm not sure he takes non-con games seriously.
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I bet they are all very limber.
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PPs:
We had great effort for 40 minutes (no wait, 50 minutes). Could definitely tell the team was amped and ready to go. Granted, we didn't have a good offensive performance, but the involvement and effort was present, esp. in the first half, where it's been lacking.
Gip, while showing signs of being inexperienced and making some mistakes, held it together, played good minutes for a long time w/o picking up the 5th foul, and was great in the final minutes of reg. and OTs. Continue to be very impressed and excited about him.
Sprads... totally surprised when he fouled out -- guess I was not paying attention to how many fouls he committed, but he's a PP because he was the only consistent (mostly) offensive threat from our guards, and having him out hurt even more than Samuel's IMO. Didn't score much late, but also WV was playing some pretty good D as well -- didn't make a lot of mistakes.
Team defense. This goes along w/ the effort point, but it's worth noting that we played quite well defensively for most of the game. Good sign.
Martin's coaching. Thought he did overall a good job (did want him to call a TO at the end of regulation, but oh well), finding ways to exploit the zone in the OTs, with layups underneath, etc. Well coached on both sides.
NNs
Gruds' inconsistency. His inability to hit the available shots at the end cost us the game. Granted he was aggressive and kept us in it with a great lay-in in OT, but the key word is inconsistent. His shot may very well come around, but it was disappointing to see him miss the great shot Martin got him out of the TO especially. Hard to bag on him too much... just hope for his game to get ironed out more as the season goes on.
Samuels' lack of improvement. Yeah, same ol' Samuels. Good to have on the team, no doubt, but leaving a lot of untapped potential out there, and disappointing not to see more maturity and leadership as a senior.
JO. Had a few really good plays defensively, but we obviously needed more from him.
Seriously, guys. Make layups. Please.
Jury still out
Angel. Potential, and flashes of greatness. Still early.
Diaz. Could develop into a good role player. Prolly take some time.
Summary
Really enjoyed this game, actually. I mean, very entertaining, hard-fought, JYC intensity, double OT, good coaching, etc. Was disappointed that we couldn't pull it off at the end, but thought the game really came down to WV making a number of clutch baskets, while we couldn't quite match that offensively. Tough loss, but valuable experience at this point in the season.
Maybe he just sucks. I mean, it seems more often than not people make up excuses for why he had a bad game. Maybe he just kind of sucks and gets lucky a few games a year. :dunno:
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I want to be done with Jamar, I really do. But....the Okie St. Sprint game....I can't!
Also, this is probably where _FAN steps in with all his JYC stats, but I was begging us to take quicker shots in the latter part of the 2nd half. There was a stretch where we constantly turned it over either via moving screens, charges, or whatever, and I was like, "Please, Sprads or McOrebs, just pull up for a damn jumper early in the shot clock! Get a freaking shot up!"
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I want to be done with Jamar, I really do. But....the Okie St. Sprint game....I can't!
Also, this is probably where _FAN steps in with all his JYC stats, but I was begging us to take quicker shots in the latter part of the 2nd half. There was a stretch where we constantly turned it over either via moving screens, charges, or whatever, and I was like, "Please, Sprads or McOrebs, just pull up for a damn jumper early in the shot clock! Get a freaking shot up!"
I can't/won't give up on Jamar. Again, it really hurt that he had so much foul trouble and only played 20 minutes. And even if he struggled at times, we really need him the last 2 minutes of regulation and both OTs.
I don't necessarily disagree with those two getting some more shots up. You can't get an offensive rebound if no one shots it, and we o-boarded really well the entire 2nd half.
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Kevin Jones is a top 50 recruit and a senior.
I generally like not calling timeouts at end of games. Coaches generally outhink themselves. And IIRC, we got a bad shot and a slightly above average shot from the not calling a TO possession. I think,
Of course, Frank got a great look for Rod out of a TO at the end of the game, but still.
Think this was actually a broken play. Angel was supposed set a pick on Rodney's man so he could run through a double pick towards the camera. Instead, Rodney waits for Angel...Angel doesn't come so Rodney kinda shrugs his shoulders and runs the other way around Gipson for the three attempt. This was followed by Frank screaming "where you rough ridin' going, Angel". Anywho...carry on.
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Samuels is a fine player. You're all just dumb for expecting him to be All Big 12 or something.
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Think this was actually a broken play.
I believe he was talking about the 3 just before that.
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Overall the Cats destroyed the 1-3-1 zone.
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Samuels is a fine player. You're all just dumb for expecting him to be All Big 12 or something.
I love the Rustys of the world pretending they never expected him to be All Big 12. So, so transparent.
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Samuels is a fine player. You're all just dumb for expecting him to be All Big 12 or something.
I love the Rustys of the world pretending they never expected him to be All Big 12. So, so transparent.
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Samuels is a fine player. You're all just dumb for expecting him to be All Big 12 or something.
I love the Rustys of the world pretending they never expected him to be All Big 12. So, so transparent.
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i think he's meaning deep down inside, where there would be no link. just a cold soul.
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Samuels is a fine player. You're all just dumb for expecting him to be All Big 12 or something.
I love the Rustys of the world pretending they never expected him to be All Big 12. So, so transparent.
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i think he's meaning deep down inside, where there would be no link. just a cold soul.
I'm very happy w/ Jamar. I mean he's a 6-7 skinny power forward. He ain't Kevin Jones.
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Last night is what you're going to get a lot based on what's going on out on the recruiting trail.
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Samuels is a fine player. You're all just dumb for expecting him to be All Big 12 or something.
I love the Rustys of the world pretending they never expected him to be All Big 12. So, so transparent.
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i think he's meaning deep down inside, where there would be no link. just a cold soul.
I'm very happy w/ Jamar. I mean he's a 6-7 skinny power forward. He ain't Kevin Jones.
I have a hard time with what reasonable expectations should be. This is the difficulty with recruiting a bunch of 3*’s. The varying end results are mind boggling. One ends up being your all time leading scorer and another ends up playing for LaMonroe.
I suppose it’s too much to (now) expect jamar to be an all big 12 caliber player…but was it ever too much? Cause, like, if we can’t expect all big 12’ers out of the collection of 3*’s frank runs out there, then how do we expect to ever win…anything?
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As a sophomore Jamar averaged 11 points, 5 boards, shot 54% overall, 37% from 3, and was the Big 12's 6th MOTY. Let's not act like it was some outlandish thought that he could turn into an All Big 12 player.
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As a sophomore Jamar averaged 11 points, 5 boards, shot 54% overall, 37% from 3, and was the Big 12's 6th MOTY. Let's not act like it was some outlandish thought that he could turn into an All Big 12 player.
OK. I guess I just don't think he's playing that poorly. Mostly because I am happy to be around all the time and am a blast at parties. I'm just a jolly guy, ya know?
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I have a hard time with what reasonable expectations should be. This is the difficulty with recruiting a bunch of 3*’s. The varying end results are mind boggling. One ends up being your all time leading scorer and another ends up playing for LaMonroe.
I suppose it’s too much to (now) expect jamar to be an all big 12 caliber player…but was it ever too much? Cause, like, if we can’t expect all big 12’ers out of the collection of 3*’s frank runs out there, then how do we expect to ever win…anything?
Great points. With Frank, some will end up elite and some won't. You have to expect some to work out, but not everyone with a flash of brilliance. I've bitched plenty about the recruiting, so I see what you're seeing. But really, I think Jamar is fine when he stays out of foul trouble.
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The Southwell hate is maddening. May be enough to get me posting regularly again. I mean...WTF are you people watching? :dunno:
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As a sophomore Jamar averaged 11 points, 5 boards, shot 54% overall, 37% from 3, and was the Big 12's 6th MOTY. Let's not act like it was some outlandish thought that he could turn into an All Big 12 player.
OK. I guess I just don't think he's playing that poorly. Mostly because I am happy to be around all the time and am a blast at parties. I'm just a jolly guy, ya know?
I know, I know.
I just want Jamar to be that All-Big 12 player. VT 2nd half got my hopes up, ya know?
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The Southwell hate is maddening. May be enough to get me posting regularly again. I mean...WTF are you people watching? :dunno:
Yeah, he does a lot of good things. I think people get too frustrated with those times he starts to dribble and you KNOW he's going to force something and 90% of the time it ends badly.
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I have a hard time with what reasonable expectations should be. This is the difficulty with recruiting a bunch of 3*’s. The varying end results are mind boggling. One ends up being your all time leading scorer and another ends up playing for LaMonroe.
I suppose it’s too much to (now) expect jamar to be an all big 12 caliber player…but was it ever too much? Cause, like, if we can’t expect all big 12’ers out of the collection of 3*’s frank runs out there, then how do we expect to ever win…anything?
Great points. With Frank, some will end up elite and some won't. You have to expect some to work out, but not everyone with a flash of brilliance. I've bitched plenty about the recruiting, so I see what you're seeing. But really, I think Jamar is fine when he stays out of foul trouble.
mostly I just miss devon. especially with the shot clock winding down. :cry:
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The Southwell hate is maddening. May be enough to get me posting regularly again. I mean...WTF are you people watching? :dunno:
I love the Southwell floaters. I get why he frustrates people, but I think he does more good than bad.
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Peggy:
Louis Colon and Raph Guidry in attendance, chatting it up, having a good time
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As a sophomore Jamar averaged 11 points, 5 boards, shot 54% overall, 37% from 3, and was the Big 12's 6th MOTY. Let's not act like it was some outlandish thought that he could turn into an All Big 12 player.
OK. I guess I just don't think he's playing that poorly. Mostly because I am happy to be around all the time and am a blast at parties. I'm just a jolly guy, ya know?
I know, I know.
I just want Jamar to be that All-Big 12 player. VT 2nd half got my hopes up, ya know?
Am I just being unfair when I think he can never finish strong on a post move/put back? That drives me crazier than Southwell's random passes/shots and JO's regular forgetting of the fact that he's 7-ft tall.
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The Southwell hate is maddening. May be enough to get me posting regularly again. I mean...WTF are you people watching? :dunno:
I love the Southwell floaters. I get why he frustrates people, but I think he does more good than bad.
Southwell is most of the frustrations of Jamar with fewer of the rewards. It is a very tough player to enjoy. I mean maybe you guys like to read Finegan's Wake in your downtime, but jesus this is basketball.
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The Southwell hate is maddening. May be enough to get me posting regularly again. I mean...WTF are you people watching? :dunno:
I love the Southwell floaters. I get why he frustrates people, but I think he does more good than bad.
Southwell is most of the frustrations of Jamar with fewer of the rewards. It is a very tough player to enjoy. I mean maybe you guys like to read Finegan's Wake in your downtime, but jesus this is basketball.
It's probably more that I'm just a terrible LBBIQ basketball fan who didn't watch more than 2-3 games between Henson and Huggins.
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Any discussion of Nancy Neg's without speciic mention of JHR's inability to defend the 3 in a game winning situation is not complete. The game was OVER if he simply doesn't bite on the jab step.
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Any discussion of Nancy Neg's without speciic mention of JHR's inability to defend the 3 in a game winning situation is not complete. The game was OVER if he simply doesn't bite on the jab step.
You are a stupid sonofabitch. A seven foot center can't guard a volume scoring forward on the wing, well no fuckinggoddamnshit bad person. Guess what? AR-T can't guard Thomas Robinson on the low block, let's list that as a NN for the KU game right now.
Also the only person that mentioned Will was acceleration man, and I won't kill him for his take since its obvious by the sig & avi he's one of those combo people. I'm so sick & tired of Will playing one half of offensive basketball, what the hell is he scared of? It wouldn't be so frustrating if he wasn't so brilliant in the halves he does decide to show up for. Combo'rs trash Jamar because they don't know what they're looking at but continually give scared Will a pass. I'll say it every game until he decides to show up, the forwards need Will and Rodney to relieve pressure. At this point it seems obvious that Will is our best scoring guard, any time he wants to stop playing like he is playing for Milan High circa 1953 is good with me.
Another NN cuts me to the core: JO :cry:
PPs for me are Diaz getting minutes and completely blending in, Rodney being unafraid even though he was shooting as if he was blind in one eye and had a broken hand, Big Gip being Big Gip, and I was happy with Jamar last night. I like aggressive basketball players, he had a couple of bad breaks but the fouls he did commit were good aggressive but not dumb basketball plays.
Also a huge PP to the promoter of the game, K-State Athletics, and Intrust Bank Arena for presenting a nice package for all to see. I was worried but it seems most of my worry was born out of Wichita State hosting previous events at IBA and just being cheap. The floor looked good, the scoreboard and graphics were nice, the light show was tight, everything was nice.
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Any discussion of Nancy Neg's without speciic mention of JHR's inability to defend the 3 in a game winning situation is not complete. The game was OVER if he simply doesn't bite on the jab step.
i haven't watched the replay to know if i'm being a complete Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) here, but i can't imagine much good to come out of your lanky, relatively uncoordinated 7 footer ending up in a situation where he has to guard the 3 ball in the corner against a player like jones.
just playing devil's advocate - i fully realize he had a pretty terrible game.
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Any discussion of Nancy Neg's without speciic mention of JHR's inability to defend the 3 in a game winning situation is not complete. The game was OVER if he simply doesn't bite on the jab step.
You are a stupid sonofabitch. A seven foot center can't guard a volume scoring forward on the wing, well no fuckinggoddamnshit bad person. Guess what? AR-T can't guard Thomas Robinson on the low block, let's list that as a NN for the KU game right now.
Also the only person that mentioned Will was acceleration man, and I won't kill him for his take since its obvious by the sig & ago he's one of those combo people. I'm so sick & tired of Will playing one half of offensive basketball, what the hell is he scared of? It wouldn't be so frustrating if he wasn't so brilliant in the halves he does decide to show up for. Combo'rs trash Jamar because they don't know what they're looking at but continually give scared Will a pass. I'll say it every game until he decides to show up, the forwards need Will and Rodney to relieve pressure. At this point it seems obvious that Will is our best scoring guard, any time he wants to stop playing like he is playing for Milan High circa 1953 is good with me.
Another NN cuts me to the core: JO :cry:
PPs for me are Diaz getting minutes and completely blending in, Rodney being unafraid even though he was shooting as if he was blind in one eye and had a broken hand, Big Gip being Big Gip, and I was happy with Jamar last night. I like aggressive basketball players, he had a couple of bad breaks but the fouls he did commit were good aggressive but not dumb basketball plays.
Also a huge PP to the promoter of the game, K-State Athletics, and Intrust Bank Arena for presenting a nice package for all to see. I was worried but it seems most of my worry was born out of Wichita State hosting previous events at IBA and just being cheap. The floor looked good, the scoreboard and graphics were nice, the light show was tight, everything was nice.
Easy now towel rack. I know you're still pissed about me bringing up your high school days but that's no reason to be nasty.
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frank said it was his fault for not having someone else on Jones.
Expecting JHR to just "not bite on the jab step" is one of the dumbest things I've ever read on this board. What a negative piece of crap.
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there are frequently end of game situations in which a team with a three point lead concedes dribble penetration in favor of just standing on the three point line, thwarting any three point shot attempts. it's a good strategy. jesus. it's like some of you never watch basketball.
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The Southwell hate is maddening. May be enough to get me posting regularly again. I mean...WTF are you people watching? :dunno:
I love the Southwell floaters. I get why he frustrates people, but I think he does more good than bad.
Southwell is most of the frustrations of Jamar with fewer of the rewards. It is a very tough player to enjoy. I mean maybe you guys like to read Finegan's Wake in your downtime, but jesus this is basketball.
Don't see it. I enjoy Southie. He has been better than McGruder this year. True story. I've actually been with you on Angel this year. Dude has potential, but he has absolutley been killing us more often than not. Don't understand the outpouring of defense for ART, but people are content to let Southwell roll around under the bus, if not stepping on him when he is down. Seems wrong bro. :shakesfist:
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there are frequently end of game situations in which a team with a three point lead concedes dribble penetration in favor of just standing on the three point line, thwarting any three point shot attempts. it's a good strategy. jesus. it's like some of you never watch basketball.
Seems like you are asking an awful lot to have the players guard the 3 (especially tall ones)...rusty and Mir have spoken
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there are frequently end of game situations in which a team with a three point lead concedes dribble penetration in favor of just standing on the three point line, thwarting any three point shot attempts. it's a good strategy. jesus. it's like some of you never watch basketball.
Seems like you are asking an awful lot to have the players guard the 3 (especially tall ones)...rusty and Mir have spoken
I didn't get that chum was agreeing with your stupid assessment. If he was you can side with him, the rest of us will side with common sense and Frank Martin saying he should have taken JO out because he knew Huggins was going to isolate Jones and JO.
You may not understand this but I'm going to try to help you. Even if JO stood 6 inches from the three point line with his arms straight up, Jones could have just moved laterally to get his shot, you know because he's twice as quick than JO and the court is 50' wide. Ideally Southwell or Jamar would have been guarding Jones there. It's batshit crazy to blame JO for that. You should just blame Gipson for not stepping out and hitting a three at the end of the second OT. We've all seen a center hit a three, they should all be able to do it.
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i thought diaz looked not that bad and moved fairly well up and down the court for an almost 7ft tall freshman. i mean, he didn't looked ridiculous at all. most of the time those guys just look ridiculous like baby giraffes that could fall over at any moment. thought that diaz moved well and looked coordinated. i guess that's a potential pp.
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agree with rusty about samuels, yosh about southwell and mir about spradling and jhr's perimeter d. agree with me about ar-t.
spradling should have shot it at the end of regulation. he also try to score at the rim at least once or twice in his life.
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NN- is it too much to ask of the basketball gods to let us finish a lob with a dunk, I get my hopes up every time before we somehow eff it up.
Jamar - sophmore Jamar came in played hard got some stickbacks and rebounds and helped the team, he has never had all-league type offensive skills, with that said if he could stay on the court
for 35 minutes a game he would pile up alot of stickbacks and rebounds.
we are going to have alot of close games like this, to win our share or more somebody with a little slashing ability will have to step up.
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there are frequently end of game situations in which a team with a three point lead concedes dribble penetration in favor of just standing on the three point line, thwarting any three point shot attempts. it's a good strategy. jesus. it's like some of you never watch basketball.
Seems like you are asking an awful lot to have the players guard the 3 (especially tall ones)...rusty and Mir have spoken
I didn't get that chum was agreeing with your stupid assessment. If he was you can side with him, the rest of us will side with common sense and Frank Martin saying he should have taken JO out because he knew Huggins was going to isolate Jones and JO.
You may not understand this but I'm going to try to help you. Even if JO stood 6 inches from the three point line with his arms straight up, Jones could have just moved laterally to get his shot, you know because he's twice as quick than JO and the court is 50' wide. Ideally Southwell or Jamar would have been guarding Jones there. It's batshit crazy to blame JO for that. You should just blame Gipson for not stepping out and hitting a three at the end of the second OT. We've all seen a center hit a three, they should all be able to do it.
You act like he was expected to guard rough ridin' Chris Paul. Kevin Jones is 6'8" 260 lbs. Clearly it would have been preferable to have SS out there but JHR could have done a much better job than he did defending that 3. Look, I know you have to be an bad person to me towel rack, what with the things I know about you, so keep blasting away.
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there are frequently end of game situations in which a team with a three point lead concedes dribble penetration in favor of just standing on the three point line, thwarting any three point shot attempts. it's a good strategy. jesus. it's like some of you never watch basketball.
Seems like you are asking an awful lot to have the players guard the 3 (especially tall ones)...rusty and Mir have spoken
I didn't get that chum was agreeing with your stupid assessment. If he was you can side with him, the rest of us will side with common sense and Frank Martin saying he should have taken JO out because he knew Huggins was going to isolate Jones and JO.
You may not understand this but I'm going to try to help you. Even if JO stood 6 inches from the three point line with his arms straight up, Jones could have just moved laterally to get his shot, you know because he's twice as quick than JO and the court is 50' wide. Ideally Southwell or Jamar would have been guarding Jones there. It's batshit crazy to blame JO for that. You should just blame Gipson for not stepping out and hitting a three at the end of the second OT. We've all seen a center hit a three, they should all be able to do it.
You act like he was expected to guard rough ridin' Chris Paul. Kevin Jones is 6'8" 260 lbs. Clearly it would have been preferable to have SS out there but JHR could have done a much better job than he did defending that 3. Look, I know you have to be an bad person to me towel rack, what with the things I know about you, so keep blasting away.
This is a good post.
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there are frequently end of game situations in which a team with a three point lead concedes dribble penetration in favor of just standing on the three point line, thwarting any three point shot attempts. it's a good strategy. jesus. it's like some of you never watch basketball.
Seems like you are asking an awful lot to have the players guard the 3 (especially tall ones)...rusty and Mir have spoken
I didn't get that chum was agreeing with your stupid assessment. If he was you can side with him, the rest of us will side with common sense and Frank Martin saying he should have taken JO out because he knew Huggins was going to isolate Jones and JO.
You may not understand this but I'm going to try to help you. Even if JO stood 6 inches from the three point line with his arms straight up, Jones could have just moved laterally to get his shot, you know because he's twice as quick than JO and the court is 50' wide. Ideally Southwell or Jamar would have been guarding Jones there. It's batshit crazy to blame JO for that. You should just blame Gipson for not stepping out and hitting a three at the end of the second OT. We've all seen a center hit a three, they should all be able to do it.
You act like he was expected to guard rough ridin' Chris Paul. Kevin Jones is 6'8" 260 lbs. Clearly it would have been preferable to have SS out there but JHR could have done a much better job than he did defending that 3. Look, I know you have to be an bad person to me towel rack, what with the things I know about you, so keep blasting away.
I'm an bad person to you because you're hopelessly stupid. I have no idea what you said to me, if I did know I wouldn't take it to heart, I mean you're an anonymous message board poster named fuktard.
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there are frequently end of game situations in which a team with a three point lead concedes dribble penetration in favor of just standing on the three point line, thwarting any three point shot attempts. it's a good strategy. jesus. it's like some of you never watch basketball.
Seems like you are asking an awful lot to have the players guard the 3 (especially tall ones)...rusty and Mir have spoken
I didn't get that chum was agreeing with your stupid assessment. If he was you can side with him, the rest of us will side with common sense and Frank Martin saying he should have taken JO out because he knew Huggins was going to isolate Jones and JO.
You may not understand this but I'm going to try to help you. Even if JO stood 6 inches from the three point line with his arms straight up, Jones could have just moved laterally to get his shot, you know because he's twice as quick than JO and the court is 50' wide. Ideally Southwell or Jamar would have been guarding Jones there. It's batshit crazy to blame JO for that. You should just blame Gipson for not stepping out and hitting a three at the end of the second OT. We've all seen a center hit a three, they should all be able to do it.
You act like he was expected to guard rough ridin' Chris Paul. Kevin Jones is 6'8" 260 lbs. Clearly it would have been preferable to have SS out there but JHR could have done a much better job than he did defending that 3. Look, I know you have to be an bad person to me towel rack, what with the things I know about you, so keep blasting away.
I'm an bad person to you because you're hopelessly stupid. I have no idea what you said to me, if I did know I wouldn't take it to heart, I mean you're an anonymous message board poster named fuktard.
anyone that thinks frank made the right decision by having JO on that Jones guy from wvu is clearly an idiot. southwell should have been in the game and either he or mcgruder should have been guarding Jones at the time considering a 3 pointer was required. frank screwed that up and cost his team the game.
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there are frequently end of game situations in which a team with a three point lead concedes dribble penetration in favor of just standing on the three point line, thwarting any three point shot attempts. it's a good strategy. jesus. it's like some of you never watch basketball.
Seems like you are asking an awful lot to have the players guard the 3 (especially tall ones)...rusty and Mir have spoken
I didn't get that chum was agreeing with your stupid assessment. If he was you can side with him, the rest of us will side with common sense and Frank Martin saying he should have taken JO out because he knew Huggins was going to isolate Jones and JO.
You may not understand this but I'm going to try to help you. Even if JO stood 6 inches from the three point line with his arms straight up, Jones could have just moved laterally to get his shot, you know because he's twice as quick than JO and the court is 50' wide. Ideally Southwell or Jamar would have been guarding Jones there. It's batshit crazy to blame JO for that. You should just blame Gipson for not stepping out and hitting a three at the end of the second OT. We've all seen a center hit a three, they should all be able to do it.
You act like he was expected to guard rough ridin' Chris Paul. Kevin Jones is 6'8" 260 lbs. Clearly it would have been preferable to have SS out there but JHR could have done a much better job than he did defending that 3. Look, I know you have to be an bad person to me towel rack, what with the things I know about you, so keep blasting away.
This is a good post.
It's good because he pointed out that Kevin Jones is 6'8"? Its a great post if you're ok with ignoring that Jones is a decent ball handler just because he's tall. Otherwise it was a fuktard post.
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complaining about will's lack of assertion is actually kind of a spradling pp for me. also, i don't think he's any less agressive than jake was five games into the season last year. not comparing the two.
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complaining about will's lack of assertion is actually kind of a spradling pp for me. also, i don't think he's any less agressive than jake was five games into the season last year. not comparing the two.
Jake fearlessly took the ball to the rim 3 games into his freshman year and never turned back. Will has the ability to get to the rim, he does it frequently, but he's so afraid of getting his shot blocked that he never attempts a lay up, he drives to the rim and then kicks it out to the three point line. He is even too afraid to make a somewhat risky pass to the semi open big after the help rotation. I guess there's something for ALWAYS making the safe play, but I think this team needs more from him.
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i'd guess the reason dob was in instead of southie was because martin thought (before he 2nd guessed himself) that there was more than enough time for them to go inside for 2 on southwell's supple, slender ass and foul to get the ball back.
if wvu's only option had been to shoot a 3, martin would have called for the preventive foul before the shot and not worried about guarding anyone's 3.
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Will has the ability to get to the rim, he does it frequently, but he's so afraid of getting his shot blocked that he never attempts a lay up, he drives to the rim and then kicks it out to the three point line.
yes! they play his stepback because he has no counter. they are more afraid of him shooting an 18 ft stepback j than a layup.
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i'd guess the reason dob was in instead of southie was because martin thought (before he 2nd guessed himself) that there was more than enough time for them to go inside for 2 on southwell's supple, slender ass and foul to get the ball back.
if wvu's only option had been to shoot a 3, martin would have called for the preventive foul before the shot and not worried about guarding anyone's 3.
Which he was right about, there was enough time for WVU to get a quick 2. That's another point that fuktard seems to be forgetting, just letting them have a layup with 14 seconds left might have lost the game in regulation with the way we were shooting FTs last night. In retrospect I think Frank is beating himself up a little bit, Jones was unguardable last night. He made the two biggest shots of the game and they couldn't be any different. First he hits a step back 3 while guarded by a seven footer, and JO did get a hand up BTW to tie the game. Then that ISO post play they ran for him for the game winner in the second OT was sick.
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complaining about will's lack of assertion is actually kind of a spradling pp for me. also, i don't think he's any less agressive than jake was five games into the season last year. not comparing the two.
Jake fearlessly took the ball to the rim 3 games into his freshman year and never turned back. Will has the ability to get to the rim, he does it frequently, but he's so afraid of getting his shot blocked that he never attempts a lay up, he drives to the rim and then kicks it out to the three point line. He is even too afraid to make a somewhat risky pass to the semi open big after the help rotation. I guess there's something for ALWAYS making the safe play, but I think this team needs more from him.
ok. get the complaint now and don't disagree with any of it. i still think/hope that as the year goes on he will start to assert a little more offensively. doubt it will be in the ways above, but more in doing more of what he already does well.
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#teambemoreaggressivesprads
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complaining about will's lack of assertion is actually kind of a spradling pp for me. also, i don't think he's any less agressive than jake was five games into the season last year. not comparing the two.
Jake fearlessly took the ball to the rim 3 games into his freshman year and never turned back. Will has the ability to get to the rim, he does it frequently, but he's so afraid of getting his shot blocked that he never attempts a lay up, he drives to the rim and then kicks it out to the three point line. He is even too afraid to make a somewhat risky pass to the semi open big after the help rotation. I guess there's something for ALWAYS making the safe play, but I think this team needs more from him.
This will be a PP if we ever start hitting 3s, but yes, Sprads needs to be more assertive from the tip. I don't really give a crap if it's through taking more jumpers or getting to the rim. If he's just not comfortable getting to the rim (which he's clearly not, yet) then bomb away, Sprads, bomb away. Get a little Jimmer on us. We need it right now.
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Don't worry guys, Frank's going to ensure that we always have a solid 4th-6th place conference team with an occasional foray into 3rd place territory.
No need to get all mad and argue amongst yourselves, just enjoy the fact that it's better than it was under Wooly and Asbury.
The thing that will likely lead to a lot of angst is a perpetual life on the NCAA tourney bubble. My advice . . . :drink:
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lots of ifwt in this thread
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Don't worry guys, Frank's going to ensure that we always have a solid 4th-6th place conference team with an occasional foray into 3rd place territory.
No need to get all mad and argue amongst yourselves, just enjoy the fact that it's better than it was under Wooly and Asbury.
The thing that will likely lead to a lot of angst is a perpetual life on the NCAA tourney bubble. My advice . . . :drink:
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i'd guess the reason dob was in instead of southie was because martin thought (before he 2nd guessed himself) that there was more than enough time for them to go inside for 2 on southwell's supple, slender ass and foul to get the ball back.
if wvu's only option had been to shoot a 3, martin would have called for the preventive foul before the shot and not worried about guarding anyone's 3.
Which he was right about, there was enough time for WVU to get a quick 2. That's another point that fuktard seems to be forgetting, just letting them have a layup with 14 seconds left might have lost the game in regulation with the way we were shooting FTs last night. In retrospect I think Frank is beating himself up a little bit, Jones was unguardable last night. He made the two biggest shots of the game and they couldn't be any different. First he hits a step back 3 while guarded by a seven footer, and JO did get a hand up BTW to tie the game. Then that ISO post play they ran for him for the game winner in the second OT was sick.
I was pretty frustrated after the game, but over the last couple of days, I've just accepted the fact that Jones just did some really great things that game, and we didn't have the kind of performance to counter that.
This season, it looks like it's just going to be a team effort every game where we try to play the hot hand. We don't have a Kevin Jones to take over a game for us. We knew that coming in, obviously, but it's always a letdown the first time you really see it impact the outcome of a game.
I appreciate Frank taking accountability, but with the way Jones was playing, you had to play percentages. I think the odds were they'd go for two and foul. Frank made the safe play, and Huggins gambled. Huggins won.
We made the same call when we were down two and had Rodney take the three. Didn't work for us. It's just how it goes sometimes.
It did make me feel good, in retrospect, to see this team go toe to toe with a pretty decent basketball team that had a standout performance by a great player. They played excellent defense, again, and when WVU brought out the 1-3-1, they did a great job of patiently attacking it. That was very redeeming for me.
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LOL at you rough ridin' idiots that think JO should ever leave the paint to guard ANYONE. He bites on a jab step? A ball fake? A shot fake? No crap idiots, he's 7 feet tall! You don't see other teams big guys guarding the perimeter do you? I mean you do, but that's only because most coaches are stupid. I rewatched the first half and JO is defending Jones for big stretches....why? He's 7 feet tall for Christsakes, Jones is 6'8"!!. Gipson's shorter and yet HE'S the one guarding their big Kilicli, WHY????? Why the eff is JO guarding Jones????..... JO needs to be guarding other 7' tall players IN THE LANE....DUH FRANK! He should have one foot in the lane at all times on defense. Frank lost this game because he asked one of our bigs to defend the perimeter, inexcusable....and he didn't recruit better players.
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Don't worry guys, Frank's going to ensure that we always have a solid 4th-6th place conference team with an occasional foray into 3rd place territory.
No need to get all mad and argue amongst yourselves, just enjoy the fact that it's better than it was under Wooly and Asbury.
The thing that will likely lead to a lot of angst is a perpetual life on the NCAA tourney bubble. My advice . . . :drink:
:flush: :flush:
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LOL at you rough ridin' idiots that think JO should ever leave the paint to guard ANYONE. He bites on a jab step? A ball fake? A shot fake? No crap idiots, he's 7 feet tall! You don't see other teams big guys guarding the perimeter do you? I mean you do, but that's only because most coaches are stupid. I rewatched the first half and JO is defending Jones for big stretches....why? He's 7 feet tall for Christsakes, Jones is 6'8"!!. Gipson's shorter and yet HE'S the one guarding their big Kilicli, WHY????? Why the eff is JO guarding Jones????..... JO needs to be guarding other 7' tall players IN THE LANE....DUH FRANK! He should have one foot in the lane at all times on defense. Frank lost this game because he asked one of our bigs to defend the perimeter, inexcusable....and he didn't recruit better players.
sysdax can hurt you so many ways :excited:
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Don't worry guys, Frank's going to ensure that we always have a solid 4th-6th place conference team with an occasional foray into 3rd place territory.
No need to get all mad and argue amongst yourselves, just enjoy the fact that it's better than it was under Wooly and Asbury.
The thing that will likely lead to a lot of angst is a perpetual life on the NCAA tourney bubble. My advice . . . :drink:
celexa. seriously, dood.
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LOL at you rough ridin' idiots that think JO should ever leave the paint to guard ANYONE. He bites on a jab step? A ball fake? A shot fake? No crap idiots, he's 7 feet tall! You don't see other teams big guys guarding the perimeter do you? I mean you do, but that's only because most coaches are stupid. I rewatched the first half and JO is defending Jones for big stretches....why? He's 7 feet tall for Christsakes, Jones is 6'8"!!. Gipson's shorter and yet HE'S the one guarding their big Kilicli, WHY????? Why the eff is JO guarding Jones????..... JO needs to be guarding other 7' tall players IN THE LANE....DUH FRANK! He should have one foot in the lane at all times on defense. Frank lost this game because he asked one of our bigs to defend the perimeter, inexcusable....and he didn't recruit better players.
What a horrible rough ridin' sock.
Neither sys nor dax would post a big block of text or use excessive punctuation.
Sad, really......
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Don't worry guys, Frank's going to ensure that we always have a solid 4th-6th place conference team with an occasional foray into 3rd place territory.
No need to get all mad and argue amongst yourselves, just enjoy the fact that it's better than it was under Wooly and Asbury.
The thing that will likely lead to a lot of angst is a perpetual life on the NCAA tourney bubble. My advice . . . :drink:
:flush: :flush: :flush:
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LOL at Frank making the same mistakes against UNF. JHR defending a guy that's even SHORTER than Jones. Idiot.
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PP: The feeling I had during Sandstorm. Too bad to have all those good feelings crushed.
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