Game 6: WV Wichita Peggy Po's / Nancy Neg's

[kso_FAN]

As a sophomore Jamar averaged 11 points, 5 boards, shot 54% overall, 37% from 3, and was the Big 12's 6th MOTY. Let's not act like it was some outlandish thought that he could turn into an All Big 12 player.

[michigancat]

As a sophomore Jamar averaged 11 points, 5 boards, shot 54% overall, 37% from 3, and was the Big 12's 6th MOTY. Let's not act like it was some outlandish thought that he could turn into an All Big 12 player.

OK. I guess I just don't think he's playing that poorly. Mostly because I am happy to be around all the time and am a blast at parties. I'm just a jolly guy, ya know?

[michigancat]

I have a  hard time with what reasonable expectations should be.  This is the difficulty with recruiting a bunch of 3*’s.  The varying end results are mind boggling.  One ends up being your all time leading scorer and another ends up playing for LaMonroe.   

I suppose it’s too much to (now) expect jamar to be an all big 12 caliber player…but was it ever too much?  Cause, like, if we can’t expect all big 12’ers out of the collection of 3*’s frank runs out there, then how do we expect to ever win…anything? 

Great points. With Frank, some will end up elite and some won't. You have to expect some to work out, but not everyone with a flash of brilliance. I've bitched plenty about the recruiting, so I see what you're seeing. But really, I think Jamar is fine when he stays out of foul trouble.

[yosh]

The Southwell hate is maddening.  May be enough to get me posting regularly again.  I mean...WTF are you people watching?  

[kso_FAN]

As a sophomore Jamar averaged 11 points, 5 boards, shot 54% overall, 37% from 3, and was the Big 12's 6th MOTY. Let's not act like it was some outlandish thought that he could turn into an All Big 12 player.

OK. I guess I just don't think he's playing that poorly. Mostly because I am happy to be around all the time and am a blast at parties. I'm just a jolly guy, ya know?

I know, I know.

I just want Jamar to be that All-Big 12 player. VT 2nd half got my hopes up, ya know?

[kso_FAN]

The Southwell hate is maddening.  May be enough to get me posting regularly again.  I mean...WTF are you people watching?   

Yeah, he does a lot of good things. I think people get too frustrated with those times he starts to dribble and you KNOW he's going to force something and 90% of the time it ends badly.

[catzacker]

I have a  hard time with what reasonable expectations should be.  This is the difficulty with recruiting a bunch of 3*’s.  The varying end results are mind boggling.  One ends up being your all time leading scorer and another ends up playing for LaMonroe.   

I suppose it’s too much to (now) expect jamar to be an all big 12 caliber player…but was it ever too much?  Cause, like, if we can’t expect all big 12’ers out of the collection of 3*’s frank runs out there, then how do we expect to ever win…anything? 

Great points. With Frank, some will end up elite and some won't. You have to expect some to work out, but not everyone with a flash of brilliance. I've bitched plenty about the recruiting, so I see what you're seeing. But really, I think Jamar is fine when he stays out of foul trouble.

mostly I just miss devon.  especially with the shot clock winding down. 

[felix rex]

The Southwell hate is maddening.  May be enough to get me posting regularly again.  I mean...WTF are you people watching?  

I love the Southwell floaters. I get why he frustrates people, but I think he does more good than bad.

[tdaver]

Peggy:

Louis Colon and Raph Guidry in attendance, chatting it up, having a good time

[felix rex]

As a sophomore Jamar averaged 11 points, 5 boards, shot 54% overall, 37% from 3, and was the Big 12's 6th MOTY. Let's not act like it was some outlandish thought that he could turn into an All Big 12 player.

OK. I guess I just don't think he's playing that poorly. Mostly because I am happy to be around all the time and am a blast at parties. I'm just a jolly guy, ya know?

I know, I know.

I just want Jamar to be that All-Big 12 player. VT 2nd half got my hopes up, ya know?

Am I just being unfair when I think he can never finish strong on a post move/put back? That drives me crazier than Southwell's random passes/shots and JO's regular forgetting of the fact that he's 7-ft tall.

[Kat Kid]

The Southwell hate is maddening.  May be enough to get me posting regularly again.  I mean...WTF are you people watching?  

I love the Southwell floaters. I get why he frustrates people, but I think he does more good than bad.

Southwell is most of the frustrations of Jamar with fewer of the rewards.  It is a very tough player to enjoy.  I mean maybe you guys like to read Finegan's Wake in your downtime, but jesus this is basketball.

[felix rex]

The Southwell hate is maddening.  May be enough to get me posting regularly again.  I mean...WTF are you people watching?  

I love the Southwell floaters. I get why he frustrates people, but I think he does more good than bad.

Southwell is most of the frustrations of Jamar with fewer of the rewards.  It is a very tough player to enjoy.  I mean maybe you guys like to read Finegan's Wake in your downtime, but jesus this is basketball.

It's probably more that I'm just a terrible LBBIQ basketball fan who didn't watch more than 2-3 games between Henson and Huggins.

[Fuktard]

Any discussion of Nancy Neg's without speciic mention of JHR's inability to defend the 3 in a game winning situation is not complete.   The game was OVER if he simply doesn't bite on the jab step.

[MakeItRain]

 

Any discussion of Nancy Neg's without speciic mention of JHR's inability to defend the 3 in a game winning situation is not complete.   The game was OVER if he simply doesn't bite on the jab step.

You are a stupid sonofabitch. A seven foot center can't guard a volume scoring forward on the wing, well no fuckinggoddamnshit bad person.  Guess what?  AR-T can't guard Thomas Robinson on the low block, let's list that as a NN for the KU game right now.

Also the only person that mentioned Will was acceleration man, and I won't kill him for his take since its obvious by the sig & avi he's one of those combo people.  I'm so sick & tired of Will playing one half of offensive basketball, what the hell is he scared of?  It wouldn't be so frustrating  if he wasn't so brilliant in the halves he does decide to show up for.  Combo'rs trash Jamar because they don't know what they're looking at but continually give scared Will a pass.  I'll say it every game until he decides to show up, the forwards need Will and Rodney to relieve pressure.  At this point it seems obvious that Will is our best scoring guard, any time he wants to stop playing like he is playing for Milan High circa 1953 is good with me.

Another NN cuts me to the core:  JO  

PPs for me are Diaz getting minutes and completely blending in, Rodney being unafraid even though he was shooting as if he was blind in one eye and had a broken hand, Big Gip being Big Gip, and I was happy with Jamar last night.  I like aggressive basketball players, he had a couple of bad breaks but the fouls he did commit were good aggressive but not dumb basketball plays.

Also a huge PP to the promoter of the game, K-State Athletics, and Intrust Bank Arena for presenting a nice package for all to see.  I was worried but it seems most of my worry was born out of Wichita State hosting previous events at IBA and just being cheap.  The floor looked good, the scoreboard and graphics were nice, the light show was tight, everything was nice.

[Tobias]

Any discussion of Nancy Neg's without speciic mention of JHR's inability to defend the 3 in a game winning situation is not complete.   The game was OVER if he simply doesn't bite on the jab step.

i haven't watched the replay to know if i'm being a complete Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) here, but i can't imagine much good to come out of your lanky, relatively uncoordinated 7 footer ending up in a situation where he has to guard the 3 ball in the corner against a player like jones.

just playing devil's advocate - i fully realize he had a pretty terrible game.

[Fuktard]

Any discussion of Nancy Neg's without speciic mention of JHR's inability to defend the 3 in a game winning situation is not complete.   The game was OVER if he simply doesn't bite on the jab step.

You are a stupid sonofabitch. A seven foot center can't guard a volume scoring forward on the wing, well no fuckinggoddamnshit bad person.  Guess what?  AR-T can't guard Thomas Robinson on the low block, let's list that as a NN for the KU game right now.

Also the only person that mentioned Will was acceleration man, and I won't kill him for his take since its obvious by the sig & ago he's one of those combo people.  I'm so sick & tired of Will playing one half of offensive basketball, what the hell is he scared of?  It wouldn't be so frustrating  if he wasn't so brilliant in the halves he does decide to show up for.  Combo'rs trash Jamar because they don't know what they're looking at but continually give scared Will a pass.  I'll say it every game until he decides to show up, the forwards need Will and Rodney to relieve pressure.  At this point it seems obvious that Will is our best scoring guard, any time he wants to stop playing like he is playing for Milan High circa 1953 is good with me.

Another NN cuts me to the core:  JO 

PPs for me are Diaz getting minutes and completely blending in, Rodney being unafraid even though he was shooting as if he was blind in one eye and had a broken hand, Big Gip being Big Gip, and I was happy with Jamar last night.  I like aggressive basketball players, he had a couple of bad breaks but the fouls he did commit were good aggressive but not dumb basketball plays.

Also a huge PP to the promoter of the game, K-State Athletics, and Intrust Bank Arena for presenting a nice package for all to see.  I was worried but it seems most of my worry was born out of Wichita State hosting previous events at IBA and just being cheap.  The floor looked good, the scoreboard and graphics were nice, the light show was tight, everything was nice.

Easy now towel rack.  I know you're still pissed about me bringing up your high school days but that's no reason to be nasty. 

[michigancat]

frank said it was his fault for not having someone else on Jones.

Expecting JHR to just "not bite on the jab step" is one of the dumbest things I've ever read on this board. What a negative piece of crap.

[chum1]

there are frequently end of game situations in which a team with a three point lead concedes dribble penetration in favor of just standing on the three point line, thwarting any three point shot attempts.  it's a good strategy.  jesus.  it's like some of you never watch basketball.

[yosh]

The Southwell hate is maddening.  May be enough to get me posting regularly again.  I mean...WTF are you people watching?  

I love the Southwell floaters. I get why he frustrates people, but I think he does more good than bad.

Southwell is most of the frustrations of Jamar with fewer of the rewards.  It is a very tough player to enjoy.  I mean maybe you guys like to read Finegan's Wake in your downtime, but jesus this is basketball.

Don't see it.  I enjoy Southie.  He has been better than McGruder this year.  True story.   I've actually been with you on Angel this year.  Dude has potential, but he has absolutley been killing us more often than not.  Don't understand the outpouring of defense for ART, but people are content to let Southwell roll around under the bus, if not stepping on him when he is down.  Seems wrong bro.    

[Fuktard]

there are frequently end of game situations in which a team with a three point lead concedes dribble penetration in favor of just standing on the three point line, thwarting any three point shot attempts.  it's a good strategy.  jesus.  it's like some of you never watch basketball.

Seems like you are asking an awful lot to have the players guard the 3 (especially tall ones)...rusty and Mir have spoken

[MakeItRain]

there are frequently end of game situations in which a team with a three point lead concedes dribble penetration in favor of just standing on the three point line, thwarting any three point shot attempts.  it's a good strategy.  jesus.  it's like some of you never watch basketball.

Seems like you are asking an awful lot to have the players guard the 3 (especially tall ones)...rusty and Mir have spoken

I didn't get that chum was agreeing with your stupid assessment.  If he was you can side with him, the rest of us will side with common sense and Frank Martin saying he should have taken JO out because he knew Huggins was going to isolate Jones and JO.

You may not understand this but I'm going to try to help you.  Even if JO stood 6 inches from the three point line with his arms straight up, Jones could have just moved laterally to get his shot, you know because he's twice as quick than JO and the court is 50' wide.  Ideally Southwell or Jamar would have been guarding Jones there.  It's batshit crazy to blame JO for that.  You should just blame Gipson for not stepping out and hitting a three at the end of the second OT.  We've all seen a center hit a three, they should all be able to do it.

[Dr Rick Daris]

i thought diaz looked not that bad and moved fairly well up and down the court for an almost 7ft tall freshman. i mean, he didn't looked ridiculous at all. most of the time those guys just look ridiculous like baby giraffes that could fall over at any moment. thought that diaz moved well and looked coordinated. i guess that's a potential pp.

[sys]

agree with rusty about samuels, yosh about southwell and mir about spradling and jhr's perimeter d.  agree with me about ar-t.


spradling should have shot it at the end of regulation.  he also try to score at the rim at least once or twice in his life.

[gatoveintisiete]

NN- is it too much to ask of the basketball gods to let us finish a lob with a dunk, I get my hopes up every time before we somehow eff it up.

Jamar -  sophmore Jamar came in played hard got some stickbacks and rebounds and helped the team, he has never had all-league type offensive skills, with that said if he could stay on the court
                 for 35 minutes a game he would pile up alot of stickbacks and rebounds.

              we are going to have alot of close games like this, to win our share or more somebody with a little slashing ability will have to step up.

[Fuktard]

there are frequently end of game situations in which a team with a three point lead concedes dribble penetration in favor of just standing on the three point line, thwarting any three point shot attempts.  it's a good strategy.  jesus.  it's like some of you never watch basketball.

Seems like you are asking an awful lot to have the players guard the 3 (especially tall ones)...rusty and Mir have spoken

I didn't get that chum was agreeing with your stupid assessment.  If he was you can side with him, the rest of us will side with common sense and Frank Martin saying he should have taken JO out because he knew Huggins was going to isolate Jones and JO.

You may not understand this but I'm going to try to help you.  Even if JO stood 6 inches from the three point line with his arms straight up, Jones could have just moved laterally to get his shot, you know because he's twice as quick than JO and the court is 50' wide.  Ideally Southwell or Jamar would have been guarding Jones there.  It's batshit crazy to blame JO for that.  You should just blame Gipson for not stepping out and hitting a three at the end of the second OT.  We've all seen a center hit a three, they should all be able to do it.

You act like he was expected to guard rough ridin' Chris Paul.  Kevin Jones is 6'8" 260 lbs. Clearly it would have been preferable to have SS out there but JHR could have done a much better job than he did defending that 3.   Look, I know you have to be an bad person to me towel rack, what with the things I know about you, so keep blasting away.