Game 6: WV Wichita Peggy Po's / Nancy Neg's

[Kat Kid]

Peggy Po's

#TeamAngel makes a come back!  A lot was asked for Angel/ar-t tonight as Sprads fouled out in the first OT and Angel handled the ball exclusively in 2OT.  His defense was significant.  2 steals, forced a 5 second call.  Threw a nice assist for a finish on a 2-on-1.  Another 0-fer when one would've been critical.  The 4th one doesn't really count.  But that still puts him 3-19 on the season and 0-10 in his last 3.  He is the engine of the team and gives us an energy we otherwise lack.  He is not ready to put the team on his back, but it wasn't fair for the team to ask.  Sprads and Jamar?  We'll get to those Nancy's later.  I want to take this moment to issue a formal apology to sys:  the on-ball defense showed.

McGruder lead the team in minutes, points.  He still feels like a role player punching above his weight.  The shot seems to be coming on a little, but he was still only 2 for 8 on the night and 7-31 on the year.  His 3 pointer to bring it back to 20 all was big, his leaner to take it to a 2OT was huge, but at no point was he in danger of creating a shot or taking over the game.  That is the problem with this team.  He is clearly our best player, but he is Cartier Martin.  He cannot carry the team.  Gipson may be able to someday (and may that day come soon) but he isn't ready yet and his size/position will always put some limits on when he can carry the load and the kinds of shots he will be able to get.  It is not all McGruder's fault, but he just has not taken the next step.  Maybe this is just who he is.  Every team in the nation would take him, but very few tournament teams would take him as their best scorer.  Until he develops something more off a pump fake, the bounce, or starts hitting 3's at a .400ish clip we are in deep, deep trouble.

Gipson came up huge again and again. Double-Double, 15-10.  He plays tough, he has hands, he passes out of the block, he came up absolutely huge with the bucket to make it 3 towards the end of regulation.  I love him really hard.  However, it is becoming worrisome that he is still out of shape enough that he is only playing 28 minutes in a 2OT game.  Granted he struggled with fouls (a couple were questionable), but he cannot cede his minutes to Adrian Diaz.  He has to realize the importance of his being on the court.  He looked less gassed in the OT's, but he only played 28 minutes and had more time to rest.

Tay with a decent day.  34 minutes, 5 assists, 3 steals, 6 points.  He is what he is.  He probably should've taken a couple looks from 3.  He is not taking many more minutes from Angel.  Sad story.  I hope tay doesn't start sulking on the bench with Omari.  It would be sad.  My guess is Shane and he start splitting minutes more equitably as Shane continues to do Shane things and drive Frank crazy.

Nancy Neg's

Jamar being Jamar.  Yup.  Really nothing to say except the corner has not been turned.  I mean even I had to laugh when he got the double foul.  Just a tremendous Jamar meltdown all around.  More than enough there to get you legitimately pissed off that he was taking himself off the court.  Did not handle the physicality inside at all.  Reverted to wild arms when he encountered any contact on bunnies or boards.

JO is completely unable to handle physicality.  Just so it is out there.  Want a scouting report on dunksonbitches?  Push him off the block and make him defend someone outside the paint.  Both are disasters.  Anytime he gets tangled up inside the playground ball of the paint, he just completely folds,  He also can't rebound in traffic so that's a nice follow up.  He will still provide a serious presence defensively, but intermittantly.  I may have been too high on his offensive game or this may be the exception to the rule.  I expect a bounce back against n. florida, but what do we see against bama?

Shane being Shane  I don't trust him at all.  He is a terrible decision maker, offensively inept and mistake prone.  I am starting to wonder if he is worth the incredibly average defense.

13 minutes of Adrian Diaz.

[slimz]

Posted in a separate thread, moved here:

I'd post in a Peggy Po's/Nancy Neg's if it existed yet, but it doesn't, so I'll do this, instead.

First off, Frank shoulda called timeout with 7 or 8 seconds left in reg. Great work, Frank.    Guess he was still mesmerized by JO's defense on that 3-pointer to tie.

Second, has any Frank team been able to consistently make layups/convert in transition/hold onto the ball under the basket on either end?  Pulls and Dennis made layups during some of our runs, and Russell and Dom were able to score in transition during our hot stretches, but shazbot!...for a team that's supposed to be strong, we have not been consistently strong finishers around the hoop or been able to hang onto the ball down there, either. Cost us the game tonight.

Encouraged by Gipson's 2nd half play. Angel's obviously in a shooting slump, but I expect it to come around in time for him to be a valuable contributor this year. Irving still isn't very good offensively, but he played some really good defense tonight. Needs to be able to make his FTs.

JO did not have a good game. Sprads had a Sprads game, but it hurt having him foul out and not having him for the end. Gruds got two dece shots at end of the game for the lead and the tie and couldn't convert, but made other key shots throughout the game. Seems like a poor man's Cartier right now on offense, but his defense and boarding make him pretty valuable.

Jamar is Jamar.

Southwell is barely better than Ojeleye on offense. It stagnates when he's out there. It seems like it's just too fast for him on offense...he holds onto the ball, or dribbles around a bit, giving the defense time to set back up. Remarkable difference in offensive movement when he's in there and the ball is going through him. He was decent on defense, but gave up some plays on that end, too. Would be nice if we could avoid fouls so we could limit his minutes.

Lots of potential there for this team. Angel has the most potential to create shots, Rodney the most potential for set shots, and Spradling falls in between the two, but none of the three were able to convert down the stretch tonight. If one of them gets in a comfort zone, we'll have a go-to guy.

Now, just need to work on layups and holding onto the ball, and we'll be a much-improved team.

[bigwillie20]

Tay had a hell of a game tonight imo 

JO 

[sys]

I want to take this moment to issue a formal apology to sys:  the on-ball defense showed.

 

i think yall are being a little hard on southwell and a little high on irving, but i'll leave those fights for another day.

[slimz]

I want to take this moment to issue a formal apology to sys:  the on-ball defense showed.

 

i think yall are being a little hard on southwell and a little high on irving, but i'll leave those fights for another day.

I thought  I was being a little soft on Southwell, actually. It was interesting watching the divergence of opinion on Twitter on his performance during the game.

[chum1]

I don't think people here completely understand Southwell's role.

[slimz]

I don't think people here completely understand Southwell's role.

I don't think he does, either.

[chum1]

I don't think people here completely understand Southwell's role.

I don't think he does, either.

How do you explain his minutes?

[slimz]

I don't think people here completely understand Southwell's role.

I don't think he does, either.

How do you explain his minutes?

Better players who get into foul trouble or have lousy practices.

[FP TC etc.]

We are who we thought we were 

[bigwillie20]

I was fine with Shane tonight.  It's gonna be like that for him every game.  Make passes to keep the offense flowing, perhaps create some easy looks down low off a slashing drive against a smaller guard, and create mismatches with his defense.  His goaltending play tonight though  

[ednksu]

kinda Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) to put Diaz in the neg nancy category

really disappointed in Rodney not hitting a few clutch shots.  Cliche, but that was the quietest 20pt game all season. 

Ta needs to hit his rough ridin' FTs. 


I really put this loss on Frank.  Under 10 seconds, young team, call the damn timeout and settle the team down to get a play.

[DQ12]

I don't think people here completely understand Southwell's role.

I don't think he does, either.

How do you explain his minutes?

I know there is probably a reason why he plays.  I just don't like him.

[That_Guy]

Peggy Po's

#TeamAngel makes a come back!  A lot was asked for Angel/ar-t tonight as Sprads fouled out in the first OT and Angel handled the ball exclusively in 2OT.  His defense was significant.  2 steals, forced a 5 second call.  Threw a nice assist for a finish on a 2-on-1.  Another 0-fer when one would've been critical.  The 4th one doesn't really count.  But that still puts him 3-19 on the season and 0-10 in his last 3.  He is the engine of the team and gives us an energy we otherwise lack.  He is not ready to put the team on his back, but it wasn't fair for the team to ask.  Sprads and Jamar?  We'll get to those Nancy's later.  I want to take this moment to issue a formal apology to sys:  the on-ball defense showed.

McGruder lead the team in minutes, points.  He still feels like a role player punching above his weight.  The shot seems to be coming on a little, but he was still only 2 for 8 on the night and 7-31 on the year.  His 3 pointer to bring it back to 20 all was big, his leaner to take it to a 2OT was huge, but at no point was he in danger of creating a shot or taking over the game.  That is the problem with this team.  He is clearly our best player, but he is Cartier Martin.  He cannot carry the team.  Gipson may be able to someday (and may that day come soon) but he isn't ready yet and his size/position will always put some limits on when he can carry the load and the kinds of shots he will be able to get.  It is not all McGruder's fault, but he just has not taken the next step.  Maybe this is just who he is.  Every team in the nation would take him, but very few tournament teams would take him as their best scorer.  Until he develops something more off a pump fake, the bounce, or starts hitting 3's at a .400ish clip we are in deep, deep trouble.

Gipson came up huge again and again. Double-Double, 15-10.  He plays tough, he has hands, he passes out of the block, he came up absolutely huge with the bucket to make it 3 towards the end of regulation.  I love him really hard.  However, it is becoming worrisome that he is still out of shape enough that he is only playing 28 minutes in a 2OT game.  Granted he struggled with fouls (a couple were questionable), but he cannot cede his minutes to Adrian Diaz.  He has to realize the importance of his being on the court.  He looked less gassed in the OT's, but he only played 28 minutes and had more time to rest.

Tay with a decent day.  34 minutes, 5 assists, 3 steals, 6 points.  He is what he is.  He probably should've taken a couple looks from 3.  He is not taking many more minutes from Angel.  Sad story.  I hope tay doesn't start sulking on the bench with Omari.  It would be sad.  My guess is Shane and he start splitting minutes more equitably as Shane continues to do Shane things and drive Frank crazy.

Nancy Neg's

Jamar being Jamar.  Yup.  Really nothing to say except the corner has not been turned.  I mean even I had to laugh when he got the double foul.  Just a tremendous Jamar meltdown all around.  More than enough there to get you legitimately pissed off that he was taking himself off the court.  Did not handle the physicality inside at all.  Reverted to wild arms when he encountered any contact on bunnies or boards.

JO is completely unable to handle physicality.  Just so it is out there.  Want a scouting report on dunksonbitches?  Push him off the block and make him defend someone outside the paint.  Both are disasters.  Anytime he gets tangled up inside the playground ball of the paint, he just completely folds,  He also can't rebound in traffic so that's a nice follow up.  He will still provide a serious presence defensively, but intermittantly.  I may have been too high on his offensive game or this may be the exception to the rule.  I expect a bounce back against n. florida, but what do we see against bama?

Shane being Shane  I don't trust him at all.  He is a terrible decision maker, offensively inept and mistake prone.  I am starting to wonder if he is worth the incredibly average defense.

13 minutes of Adrian Diaz.

Can't wait for Upshaw..

[ksu101]

Peggy Po's

#TeamAngel makes a come back!  A lot was asked for Angel/ar-t tonight as Sprads fouled out in the first OT and Angel handled the ball exclusively in 2OT.  His defense was significant.  2 steals, forced a 5 second call.  Threw a nice assist for a finish on a 2-on-1.  Another 0-fer when one would've been critical.  The 4th one doesn't really count.  But that still puts him 3-19 on the season and 0-10 in his last 3.  He is the engine of the team and gives us an energy we otherwise lack.  He is not ready to put the team on his back, but it wasn't fair for the team to ask.  Sprads and Jamar?  We'll get to those Nancy's later.  I want to take this moment to issue a formal apology to sys:  the on-ball defense showed.

McGruder lead the team in minutes, points.  He still feels like a role player punching above his weight.  The shot seems to be coming on a little, but he was still only 2 for 8 on the night and 7-31 on the year.  His 3 pointer to bring it back to 20 all was big, his leaner to take it to a 2OT was huge, but at no point was he in danger of creating a shot or taking over the game.  That is the problem with this team.  He is clearly our best player, but he is Cartier Martin.  He cannot carry the team.  Gipson may be able to someday (and may that day come soon) but he isn't ready yet and his size/position will always put some limits on when he can carry the load and the kinds of shots he will be able to get.  It is not all McGruder's fault, but he just has not taken the next step.  Maybe this is just who he is.  Every team in the nation would take him, but very few tournament teams would take him as their best scorer.  Until he develops something more off a pump fake, the bounce, or starts hitting 3's at a .400ish clip we are in deep, deep trouble.

Gipson came up huge again and again. Double-Double, 15-10.  He plays tough, he has hands, he passes out of the block, he came up absolutely huge with the bucket to make it 3 towards the end of regulation.  I love him really hard.  However, it is becoming worrisome that he is still out of shape enough that he is only playing 28 minutes in a 2OT game.  Granted he struggled with fouls (a couple were questionable), but he cannot cede his minutes to Adrian Diaz.  He has to realize the importance of his being on the court.  He looked less gassed in the OT's, but he only played 28 minutes and had more time to rest.

Tay with a decent day.  34 minutes, 5 assists, 3 steals, 6 points.  He is what he is.  He probably should've taken a couple looks from 3.  He is not taking many more minutes from Angel.  Sad story.  I hope tay doesn't start sulking on the bench with Omari.  It would be sad.  My guess is Shane and he start splitting minutes more equitably as Shane continues to do Shane things and drive Frank crazy.

Nancy Neg's

Jamar being Jamar.  Yup.  Really nothing to say except the corner has not been turned.  I mean even I had to laugh when he got the double foul.  Just a tremendous Jamar meltdown all around.  More than enough there to get you legitimately pissed off that he was taking himself off the court.  Did not handle the physicality inside at all.  Reverted to wild arms when he encountered any contact on bunnies or boards.

JO is completely unable to handle physicality.  Just so it is out there.  Want a scouting report on dunksonbitches?  Push him off the block and make him defend someone outside the paint.  Both are disasters.  Anytime he gets tangled up inside the playground ball of the paint, he just completely folds,  He also can't rebound in traffic so that's a nice follow up.  He will still provide a serious presence defensively, but intermittantly.  I may have been too high on his offensive game or this may be the exception to the rule.  I expect a bounce back against n. florida, but what do we see against bama?

Shane being Shane  I don't trust him at all.  He is a terrible decision maker, offensively inept and mistake prone.  I am starting to wonder if he is worth the incredibly average defense.

13 minutes of Adrian Diaz.

Diaz looks better than Jo as a freshman. imo. 

[ksu101]

Peggy Po

-We look hell of a lot better than last year at this point. 
-Our freshman stepped up and kept us in the game when Jamar and Sprads fouled out.   Gipson & Angel are going to be real good.  Diaz is going to be another JO with dreads. (which isn't bad)
-Rodney hit two 3 pointers!  it's a step up!!!   
-defense was good for the most part.  If only we can get that offense rolling. 
-Tay!  I love him! 
-Vic only played 1 min! 
-Diaz had as many boards as JO and outplayed JO tonight.
-Angels/Shanes passing!
-Gipson's hands/freethrow shooting!
-Sprads walking the ball up the court while dribbling between his legs.   I loved it!
-JYC!!!

Nancy Negs

-JO
-JO had as many boards as Diaz and was outplayed by Diaz tonight.
-JO dribbling down the court and throwing the ball as hard as he can at the backboard.   
-JO goal tending
-Freethrows
-shooting down the stretch.  We started off 6-13 from 3 and finished 6-21. 
-Depth at post.  After Gipson and Samuels it goes way down hill. 
-We had nobody step up down the stretch.  Pullen would have won that game single handed. 
-Refs ruining the game in the 2nd half. 
-Jamar.  Not good Jamar. Not good. 
-defense during overtime.  Idk if we just got tired or what, but WV was scoring at will.  Wish frank would have put Nino or Watson in.  but whatevs. 



This team is going to be good when conference play comes rolling around.  We played 3 freshman down the stretch of a close game.  The last time we played that many freshman during a close game early in the season was with Beasley/Walker/Pullen.  I am already pumped for march!!!   

[catzacker]

Peggy:
I got to give J-Mart a hug before the game.  It felt good.

Gip - i was hesitant to buy into him until he faced a truly physical team, but i'm all in

Defense - agreed on the on ball defense.  

Nancy:

angel - I simply refuse to look past his offense.  It's awful.  So much so it outweighs his defense (which really hasn't been good until last night - I mean, if you count fouling as being good then he's been excellent all season).

jamar - nobody gets a double foul like jamar.  NOBODY.  

mcgruds - he needs a slump buster, badly.  his head is just not right.  I mean, jfc, wide open f'ing 3balls.

jhr - i never bought in to him and never will.



definitely a NIT team.

[Stupid Fitz]

I want to take this moment to issue a formal apology to sys:  the on-ball defense showed.

 

i think yall are being a little hard on southwell and a little high on irving, but i'll leave those fights for another day.

Agree with Sys.  I didn't mind Shane at all.  Minus a couple drives to the basket where he probably should have went up with the ball instead of throwing it at someone's feet, I thought he was fine. 

Hate Jamar

[CNS]

Very entertaining game.

[raquetcat]

Kevin Jones is what we all wish Jamar could be,  and what I  thought he could be after his first couple years 

[Cire]

How the eff does sprads foul out?

Gruds 0-2 in crunch time

[Stupid Fitz]

How the eff does sprads foul out?

Gruds 0-2 in crunch time

Good question since most of the game he was getting his ankles broken and giving up layups.

[WillieWatanabe]

How the eff does sprads foul out?

Gruds 0-2 in crunch time

uh, end of the first OT??

[OK_Cat]

This team doesn't have a guy who can take the big shot.  That's gonna hurt us in a lot of close games.  We've been spoiled by Jake being that guy.

[felix rex]

Peggy Po:

Bee Beard Guy and his Super Serious Hoodie Friend. Enjoyed these two all night. Almost as much as Court-Side High-Fiving Old Guys (and only a few notches more than Waving-My-Arms-So-Let's-Make-Some-Noise-Guy (who looked like he was probably a rock climber or something. Very lean and muscly looking).