Game 6: WV Wichita Peggy Po's / Nancy Neg's

[FranklyFrankYou]

there are frequently end of game situations in which a team with a three point lead concedes dribble penetration in favor of just standing on the three point line, thwarting any three point shot attempts.  it's a good strategy.  jesus.  it's like some of you never watch basketball.

Seems like you are asking an awful lot to have the players guard the 3 (especially tall ones)...rusty and Mir have spoken

I didn't get that chum was agreeing with your stupid assessment.  If he was you can side with him, the rest of us will side with common sense and Frank Martin saying he should have taken JO out because he knew Huggins was going to isolate Jones and JO.

You may not understand this but I'm going to try to help you.  Even if JO stood 6 inches from the three point line with his arms straight up, Jones could have just moved laterally to get his shot, you know because he's twice as quick than JO and the court is 50' wide.  Ideally Southwell or Jamar would have been guarding Jones there.  It's batshit crazy to blame JO for that.  You should just blame Gipson for not stepping out and hitting a three at the end of the second OT.  We've all seen a center hit a three, they should all be able to do it.

You act like he was expected to guard rough ridin' Chris Paul.  Kevin Jones is 6'8" 260 lbs. Clearly it would have been preferable to have SS out there but JHR could have done a much better job than he did defending that 3.   Look, I know you have to be an bad person to me towel rack, what with the things I know about you, so keep blasting away.

This is a good post.

[MakeItRain]

there are frequently end of game situations in which a team with a three point lead concedes dribble penetration in favor of just standing on the three point line, thwarting any three point shot attempts.  it's a good strategy.  jesus.  it's like some of you never watch basketball.

Seems like you are asking an awful lot to have the players guard the 3 (especially tall ones)...rusty and Mir have spoken

I didn't get that chum was agreeing with your stupid assessment.  If he was you can side with him, the rest of us will side with common sense and Frank Martin saying he should have taken JO out because he knew Huggins was going to isolate Jones and JO.

You may not understand this but I'm going to try to help you.  Even if JO stood 6 inches from the three point line with his arms straight up, Jones could have just moved laterally to get his shot, you know because he's twice as quick than JO and the court is 50' wide.  Ideally Southwell or Jamar would have been guarding Jones there.  It's batshit crazy to blame JO for that.  You should just blame Gipson for not stepping out and hitting a three at the end of the second OT.  We've all seen a center hit a three, they should all be able to do it.

You act like he was expected to guard rough ridin' Chris Paul.  Kevin Jones is 6'8" 260 lbs. Clearly it would have been preferable to have SS out there but JHR could have done a much better job than he did defending that 3.   Look, I know you have to be an bad person to me towel rack, what with the things I know about you, so keep blasting away.

I'm an bad person to you because you're hopelessly stupid.  I have no idea what you said to me, if I did know I wouldn't take it to heart, I mean you're an anonymous message board poster named fuktard.

[swish1]

there are frequently end of game situations in which a team with a three point lead concedes dribble penetration in favor of just standing on the three point line, thwarting any three point shot attempts.  it's a good strategy.  jesus.  it's like some of you never watch basketball.

Seems like you are asking an awful lot to have the players guard the 3 (especially tall ones)...rusty and Mir have spoken

I didn't get that chum was agreeing with your stupid assessment.  If he was you can side with him, the rest of us will side with common sense and Frank Martin saying he should have taken JO out because he knew Huggins was going to isolate Jones and JO.

You may not understand this but I'm going to try to help you.  Even if JO stood 6 inches from the three point line with his arms straight up, Jones could have just moved laterally to get his shot, you know because he's twice as quick than JO and the court is 50' wide.  Ideally Southwell or Jamar would have been guarding Jones there.  It's batshit crazy to blame JO for that.  You should just blame Gipson for not stepping out and hitting a three at the end of the second OT.  We've all seen a center hit a three, they should all be able to do it.

You act like he was expected to guard rough ridin' Chris Paul.  Kevin Jones is 6'8" 260 lbs. Clearly it would have been preferable to have SS out there but JHR could have done a much better job than he did defending that 3.   Look, I know you have to be an bad person to me towel rack, what with the things I know about you, so keep blasting away.

I'm an bad person to you because you're hopelessly stupid.  I have no idea what you said to me, if I did know I wouldn't take it to heart, I mean you're an anonymous message board poster named fuktard.

anyone that thinks frank made the right decision by having JO on that Jones guy from wvu is clearly an idiot.  southwell should have been in the game and either he or mcgruder should have been guarding Jones at the time considering a 3 pointer was required.  frank screwed that up and cost his team the game. 

[MakeItRain]

there are frequently end of game situations in which a team with a three point lead concedes dribble penetration in favor of just standing on the three point line, thwarting any three point shot attempts.  it's a good strategy.  jesus.  it's like some of you never watch basketball.

Seems like you are asking an awful lot to have the players guard the 3 (especially tall ones)...rusty and Mir have spoken

I didn't get that chum was agreeing with your stupid assessment.  If he was you can side with him, the rest of us will side with common sense and Frank Martin saying he should have taken JO out because he knew Huggins was going to isolate Jones and JO.

You may not understand this but I'm going to try to help you.  Even if JO stood 6 inches from the three point line with his arms straight up, Jones could have just moved laterally to get his shot, you know because he's twice as quick than JO and the court is 50' wide.  Ideally Southwell or Jamar would have been guarding Jones there.  It's batshit crazy to blame JO for that.  You should just blame Gipson for not stepping out and hitting a three at the end of the second OT.  We've all seen a center hit a three, they should all be able to do it.

You act like he was expected to guard rough ridin' Chris Paul.  Kevin Jones is 6'8" 260 lbs. Clearly it would have been preferable to have SS out there but JHR could have done a much better job than he did defending that 3.   Look, I know you have to be an bad person to me towel rack, what with the things I know about you, so keep blasting away.

This is a good post.

It's good because he pointed out that Kevin Jones is 6'8"?   Its a great post if you're ok with ignoring that Jones is a decent ball handler just because he's tall.  Otherwise it was a fuktard post.

[Dr Rick Daris]

complaining about will's lack of assertion is actually kind of a spradling pp for me. also, i don't think he's any less agressive than jake was five games into the season last year. not comparing the two.

[MakeItRain]

complaining about will's lack of assertion is actually kind of a spradling pp for me. also, i don't think he's any less agressive than jake was five games into the season last year. not comparing the two.

Jake fearlessly took the ball to the rim 3 games into his freshman year and never turned back.  Will has the ability to get to the rim, he does it frequently, but he's so afraid of getting his shot blocked that he never attempts a lay up, he drives to the rim and then kicks it out to the three point line.  He is even too afraid to make a somewhat risky pass to the semi open big after the help rotation.  I guess there's something for ALWAYS making the safe play, but I think this team needs more from him.

[sys]

i'd guess the reason dob was in instead of southie was because martin thought (before he 2nd guessed himself) that there was more than enough time for them to go inside for 2 on southwell's supple, slender ass and foul to get the ball back.

if wvu's only option had been to shoot a 3, martin would have called for the preventive foul before the shot and not worried about guarding anyone's 3.

[sys]

Will has the ability to get to the rim, he does it frequently, but he's so afraid of getting his shot blocked that he never attempts a lay up, he drives to the rim and then kicks it out to the three point line.

yes!  they play his stepback because he has no counter.  they are more afraid of him shooting an 18 ft stepback j than a layup.

[MakeItRain]

i'd guess the reason dob was in instead of southie was because martin thought (before he 2nd guessed himself) that there was more than enough time for them to go inside for 2 on southwell's supple, slender ass and foul to get the ball back.

if wvu's only option had been to shoot a 3, martin would have called for the preventive foul before the shot and not worried about guarding anyone's 3.

Which he was right about, there was enough time for WVU to get a quick 2.  That's another point that fuktard seems to be forgetting, just letting them have a layup with 14 seconds left might have lost the game in regulation with the way we were shooting FTs last night.  In retrospect I think Frank is beating himself up a little bit, Jones was unguardable last night.  He made the two biggest shots of the game and they couldn't be any different.  First he hits a step back 3 while guarded by a seven footer, and JO did get a hand up BTW to tie the game.  Then that ISO post play they ran for him for the game winner in the second OT was sick.   

[Dr Rick Daris]

complaining about will's lack of assertion is actually kind of a spradling pp for me. also, i don't think he's any less agressive than jake was five games into the season last year. not comparing the two.

Jake fearlessly took the ball to the rim 3 games into his freshman year and never turned back.  Will has the ability to get to the rim, he does it frequently, but he's so afraid of getting his shot blocked that he never attempts a lay up, he drives to the rim and then kicks it out to the three point line.  He is even too afraid to make a somewhat risky pass to the semi open big after the help rotation.  I guess there's something for ALWAYS making the safe play, but I think this team needs more from him.

ok. get the complaint now and don't disagree with any of it. i still think/hope that as the year goes on he will start to assert a little more offensively. doubt it will be in the ways above, but more in doing more of what he already does well.

[michigancat]

#teambemoreaggressivesprads

[kougar24]

complaining about will's lack of assertion is actually kind of a spradling pp for me. also, i don't think he's any less agressive than jake was five games into the season last year. not comparing the two.

Jake fearlessly took the ball to the rim 3 games into his freshman year and never turned back.  Will has the ability to get to the rim, he does it frequently, but he's so afraid of getting his shot blocked that he never attempts a lay up, he drives to the rim and then kicks it out to the three point line.  He is even too afraid to make a somewhat risky pass to the semi open big after the help rotation.  I guess there's something for ALWAYS making the safe play, but I think this team needs more from him.

This will be a PP if we ever start hitting 3s, but yes, Sprads needs to be more assertive from the tip. I don't really give a crap if it's through taking more jumpers or getting to the rim. If he's just not comfortable getting to the rim (which he's clearly not, yet) then bomb away, Sprads, bomb away. Get a little Jimmer on us. We need it right now.

[sonofdaxjones]

Don't worry guys, Frank's going to ensure that we always have a solid 4th-6th place conference team with an occasional foray into 3rd place territory.

No need to get all mad and argue amongst yourselves, just enjoy the fact that it's better than it was under Wooly and Asbury.

The thing that will likely lead to a lot of angst is a perpetual life on the NCAA tourney bubble.   My advice .  . . 

[chum1]

lots of ifwt in this thread

[Stupid Fitz]

Don't worry guys, Frank's going to ensure that we always have a solid 4th-6th place conference team with an occasional foray into 3rd place territory.

No need to get all mad and argue amongst yourselves, just enjoy the fact that it's better than it was under Wooly and Asbury.

The thing that will likely lead to a lot of angst is a perpetual life on the NCAA tourney bubble.   My advice .  . . 

 

[Panjandrum]

i'd guess the reason dob was in instead of southie was because martin thought (before he 2nd guessed himself) that there was more than enough time for them to go inside for 2 on southwell's supple, slender ass and foul to get the ball back.

if wvu's only option had been to shoot a 3, martin would have called for the preventive foul before the shot and not worried about guarding anyone's 3.

Which he was right about, there was enough time for WVU to get a quick 2.  That's another point that fuktard seems to be forgetting, just letting them have a layup with 14 seconds left might have lost the game in regulation with the way we were shooting FTs last night.  In retrospect I think Frank is beating himself up a little bit, Jones was unguardable last night.  He made the two biggest shots of the game and they couldn't be any different.  First he hits a step back 3 while guarded by a seven footer, and JO did get a hand up BTW to tie the game.  Then that ISO post play they ran for him for the game winner in the second OT was sick.   

I was pretty frustrated after the game, but over the last couple of days, I've just accepted the fact that Jones just did some really great things that game, and we didn't have the kind of performance to counter that.

This season, it looks like it's just going to be a team effort every game where we try to play the hot hand.  We don't have a Kevin Jones to take over a game for us.  We knew that coming in, obviously, but it's always a letdown the first time you really see it impact the outcome of a game.

I appreciate Frank taking accountability, but with the way Jones was playing, you had to play percentages.  I think the odds were they'd go for two and foul.  Frank made the safe play, and Huggins gambled.  Huggins won.

We made the same call when we were down two and had Rodney take the three.  Didn't work for us.  It's just how it goes sometimes.

It did make me feel good, in retrospect, to see this team go toe to toe with a pretty decent basketball team that had a standout performance by a great player.  They played excellent defense, again, and when WVU brought out the 1-3-1, they did a great job of patiently attacking it.  That was very redeeming for me.

[sysdax]

LOL at you rough ridin' idiots that think JO should ever leave the paint to guard ANYONE.  He bites on a jab step?  A ball fake?  A shot fake?  No crap idiots, he's 7 feet tall!  You don't see other teams big guys guarding the perimeter do you?  I mean you do, but that's only because most coaches are stupid.  I rewatched the first half and JO is defending Jones for big stretches....why?  He's 7 feet tall for Christsakes, Jones is 6'8"!!.  Gipson's shorter and yet HE'S the one guarding their big Kilicli, WHY?????  Why the eff is JO guarding Jones????..... JO needs to be guarding other 7' tall players IN THE LANE....DUH FRANK!   He should have one foot in the lane at all times on defense.  Frank lost this game because he asked one of our bigs to defend the perimeter, inexcusable....and he didn't recruit better players.  

[kougar24]

Don't worry guys, Frank's going to ensure that we always have a solid 4th-6th place conference team with an occasional foray into 3rd place territory.

No need to get all mad and argue amongst yourselves, just enjoy the fact that it's better than it was under Wooly and Asbury.

The thing that will likely lead to a lot of angst is a perpetual life on the NCAA tourney bubble.   My advice .  . . 

[gatoveintisiete]

LOL at you rough ridin' idiots that think JO should ever leave the paint to guard ANYONE.  He bites on a jab step?  A ball fake?  A shot fake?  No crap idiots, he's 7 feet tall!  You don't see other teams big guys guarding the perimeter do you?  I mean you do, but that's only because most coaches are stupid.  I rewatched the first half and JO is defending Jones for big stretches....why?  He's 7 feet tall for Christsakes, Jones is 6'8"!!.  Gipson's shorter and yet HE'S the one guarding their big Kilicli, WHY?????  Why the eff is JO guarding Jones????..... JO needs to be guarding other 7' tall players IN THE LANE....DUH FRANK!   He should have one foot in the lane at all times on defense.  Frank lost this game because he asked one of our bigs to defend the perimeter, inexcusable....and he didn't recruit better players.  

sysdax can hurt you so many ways 

[fatty fat fat]

Don't worry guys, Frank's going to ensure that we always have a solid 4th-6th place conference team with an occasional foray into 3rd place territory.

No need to get all mad and argue amongst yourselves, just enjoy the fact that it's better than it was under Wooly and Asbury.

The thing that will likely lead to a lot of angst is a perpetual life on the NCAA tourney bubble.   My advice .  . . 

celexa. seriously, dood.

[The Whale]

LOL at you rough ridin' idiots that think JO should ever leave the paint to guard ANYONE.  He bites on a jab step?  A ball fake?  A shot fake?  No crap idiots, he's 7 feet tall!  You don't see other teams big guys guarding the perimeter do you?  I mean you do, but that's only because most coaches are stupid.  I rewatched the first half and JO is defending Jones for big stretches....why?  He's 7 feet tall for Christsakes, Jones is 6'8"!!.  Gipson's shorter and yet HE'S the one guarding their big Kilicli, WHY?????  Why the eff is JO guarding Jones????..... JO needs to be guarding other 7' tall players IN THE LANE....DUH FRANK!   He should have one foot in the lane at all times on defense.  Frank lost this game because he asked one of our bigs to defend the perimeter, inexcusable....and he didn't recruit better players.  

What a horrible rough ridin' sock. 

Neither sys nor dax would post a big block of text or use excessive punctuation.

Sad, really......

[EuroCat]

Don't worry guys, Frank's going to ensure that we always have a solid 4th-6th place conference team with an occasional foray into 3rd place territory.

No need to get all mad and argue amongst yourselves, just enjoy the fact that it's better than it was under Wooly and Asbury.

The thing that will likely lead to a lot of angst is a perpetual life on the NCAA tourney bubble.   My advice .  . . 

[sysdax]

LOL at Frank making the same mistakes against UNF.  JHR defending a guy that's even SHORTER than Jones.  Idiot.

[Sandstone Outcropping]

PP: The feeling I had during Sandstorm. Too bad to have all those good feelings crushed.