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Re: "Obamacare"
« Reply #3050 on: May 09, 2017, 08:35:44 AM »
But it works in Sweden! And Norway! And Denmark! So of course it will work here!

No it doesn't, and no it won't.

You are saying it does not work in those countries?

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Re: "Obamacare"
« Reply #3051 on: May 09, 2017, 08:43:31 AM »
But it works in Sweden! And Norway! And Denmark! So of course it will work here!

No it doesn't, and no it won't.

You are saying it does not work in those countries?

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Re: "Obamacare"
« Reply #3052 on: May 09, 2017, 08:44:16 AM »
But it works in Sweden! And Norway! And Denmark! So of course it will work here!

No it doesn't, and no it won't.

You are saying it does not work in those countries?

It's a terrible arguement for doing it here, considering our demographics and population are not similar

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Re: "Obamacare"
« Reply #3053 on: May 09, 2017, 08:44:47 AM »
But it works in Sweden! And Norway! And Denmark! So of course it will work here!

No it doesn't, and no it won't.

You are saying it does not work in those countries?

I mean it's been tried in almost every major country not named the US, of course it won't work here, we're too stupid
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Re: "Obamacare"
« Reply #3054 on: May 09, 2017, 08:52:31 AM »
But it works in Sweden! And Norway! And Denmark! So of course it will work here!

No it doesn't, and no it won't.

You are saying it does not work in those countries?

I mean it's been tried in almost every major country not named the US, of course it won't work here, we're too stupid

Single payer is currently in place in the US, you dolt. It doesn't work here, at least not as well as the private insurance model. That really isn't arguable.

I think you guys are completely delusional as to how well other country's single payer models work. You've been spoon fed a load of anecdotal crap and swallowed it whole. Very gullible.
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Re: "Obamacare"
« Reply #3055 on: May 09, 2017, 09:21:20 AM »
Single payer is currently in place in the US, you dolt.

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Single-payer healthcare is a system in which the residents pay the state – via taxes in amounts determined by the state – to cover healthcare costs, rather than individuals buying from private insurers competing for their business.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-payer_healthcare
 
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Re: "Obamacare"
« Reply #3056 on: May 09, 2017, 09:28:12 AM »
1) neither Medicare or Medicaid are socialized medicine.

1. Yes it is.

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Socialized medicine is a term used to describe and discuss systems of universal health care: medical and hospital care for all at a nominal cost by means of government regulation of health care and subsidies derived from taxation.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialized_medicine

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Re: "Obamacare"
« Reply #3057 on: May 09, 2017, 09:52:26 AM »
1. Yes it is.
2. By its own calculations, it can't satisfy its future obligations/liabilities, the definition of insolvent.
3. It's certainly substandard when compared to the medical care you can obtain with private insurance. I suspect we're conflating medicare and medicaid a bit thos.
4. Real insurance indirectly subsidizes medicare/medicaid through higher reimbursement rates, ask any provider.

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1) they 100% are not socialized medicine and you continuing to argue that they are would be the equivalent to someone holding fast that 2+2=7.  the only socialized medical healthcare in the US is VA care. Army, Navy, etc are close. keep calling them socialized though, it's kind of funny now.
2) so they actually aren't insolvent and you are wrong again.
3) medicare is not substandard compared to private insurance. some times it's better, sometimes it's worse, but it's not substandard overall. Medicaid is substandard overall, but like medicare, in some ways it's actually better than private.
4) no. just no. lol though.


every single thing you are typing can be proven incorrect by a fifth grader who has a smart phone, five minutes of free time and the ability to type things like "is medicare insolvent" into google. you are clueless.
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Re: "Obamacare"
« Reply #3058 on: May 09, 2017, 10:35:08 AM »
Is a anyone else enjoying this as much as I am? I have no idea who is right or wrong. I'm just enjoying the discourse.

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Re: "Obamacare"
« Reply #3059 on: May 09, 2017, 10:53:34 AM »
1) neither Medicare or Medicaid are socialized medicine.

1. Yes it is.

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Socialized medicine is a term used to describe and discuss systems of universal health care: medical and hospital care for all at a nominal cost by means of government regulation of health care and subsidies derived from taxation.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialized_medicine

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They're government funded forms of healthcare, man.

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Re: "Obamacare"
« Reply #3060 on: May 09, 2017, 11:04:31 AM »
1) neither Medicare or Medicaid are socialized medicine.

1. Yes it is.

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Socialized medicine is a term used to describe and discuss systems of universal health care: medical and hospital care for all at a nominal cost by means of government regulation of health care and subsidies derived from taxation.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialized_medicine

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They're government funded forms of healthcare, man.

I enjoy the way FSD uses his own definitions for words in spite of their actual meanings. And especially when he also proclaims how smart he is and how confused others are.

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Re: "Obamacare"
« Reply #3061 on: May 09, 2017, 11:05:34 AM »
Socialist has become socialized and the insanity brought about by Daris has denigrated into semantical and stubborn "Nuh uh" arguments. So stupid.

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In the United States, Medicare is a single-payer, national social insurance program administered by the US federal government since 1976

From merriam:
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Insolvent adj.
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a :  unable to pay debts as they fall due in the usual course of business
b :  having liabilities in excess of a reasonable market value of assets held
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:  insufficient to pay all debts an insolvent estate
insolvent noun

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Re: "Obamacare"
« Reply #3062 on: May 09, 2017, 11:09:12 AM »

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Re: "Obamacare"
« Reply #3063 on: May 09, 2017, 11:13:34 AM »
Do you guys even remember what you're arguing about, because it seems like you don't?

You're enraged that I called single-payer health care "socialist" and somehow think that means the same thing as socialized medicine and somehow think medicare and medicaid don't meet your own definition of socialized medicine  (even though each program openly identifies as such) and therefore think you've proven the programs aren't socialist, therefore debunkimg may sarcastic quip about the resident socialists like socialist stuff.

That's a non sequiter, you dimwits. A+B=C therefore A=C
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Re: "Obamacare"
« Reply #3064 on: May 09, 2017, 11:14:57 AM »
If Medicare was national single-payer it would be both socialist and socialized and excellent.

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Re: "Obamacare"
« Reply #3065 on: May 09, 2017, 11:18:12 AM »
But still nowhere near as good as private insurance, as demonstrated ad nauseam
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Re: "Obamacare"
« Reply #3066 on: May 09, 2017, 11:20:25 AM »
But still nowhere near as good as private insurance, as demonstrated ad nauseam

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Re: "Obamacare"
« Reply #3067 on: May 09, 2017, 11:24:00 AM »
Socialist has become socialized and the insanity brought about by Daris has denigrated into semantical and stubborn "Nuh uh" arguments. So stupid.

From wiki:
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In the United States, Medicare is a single-payer, national social insurance program administered by the US federal government since 1976

From merriam:
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Insolvent adj.
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a :  unable to pay debts as they fall due in the usual course of business
b :  having liabilities in excess of a reasonable market value of assets held
2
:  insufficient to pay all debts an insolvent estate
insolvent noun

I think we're done here.
Did FSD just win?

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Re: "Obamacare"
« Reply #3068 on: May 09, 2017, 11:24:37 AM »
Goverment funded = government affiliated = socialist = socialized medicine = single payer = universal = medicare = medicaid

So many ways to say the exact same thing!

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Re: "Obamacare"
« Reply #3069 on: May 09, 2017, 11:27:45 AM »
Chart time








We pay more or less, the proof is in the facts.
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« Reply #3070 on: May 09, 2017, 11:29:01 AM »
Also, wonder what caused that line to flatten around 2008ish  :dunno:
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Re: "Obamacare"
« Reply #3071 on: May 09, 2017, 11:30:46 AM »
Socialist has become socialized and the insanity brought about by Daris has denigrated into semantical and stubborn "Nuh uh" arguments. So stupid.

From wiki:
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In the United States, Medicare is a single-payer, national social insurance program administered by the US federal government since 1976

From merriam:
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Insolvent adj.
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a :  unable to pay debts as they fall due in the usual course of business
b :  having liabilities in excess of a reasonable market value of assets held
2
:  insufficient to pay all debts an insolvent estate
insolvent noun

I think we're done here.
Did FSD just win?

Yep
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Re: "Obamacare"
« Reply #3072 on: May 09, 2017, 11:32:18 AM »
Who pays for the uninsured? Like when they they make babies? Who pays for that care?

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« Reply #3073 on: May 09, 2017, 11:36:34 AM »
Apparently the free market according to daris
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« Reply #3074 on: May 09, 2017, 11:44:40 AM »
Interesting. I was lead to believe it was tax payers