"Obamacare"

[MakeItRain]

They're stupidly rolling the dice, spending their money on one thing when it should be an epipen, is my point. 

I just don't believe that the line between life and death is so razor thin that even $600 or whatever it is separates it.  It's not the lack of $600 that will kill these people, it's their stupidity or ignorance to not do everything it takes to come up with the $600 to get something they need, while at the same time consuming things they don't truly need.  It's an extreme example but being homeless and with epipen would logically be better than being with roof and without epipen.  I assume we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.

You really don't know the rather large and sweeping false assumption you're making just to be right?

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

All of Hillary's secret service detail have epipens on the ready at all times.

[Emo EMAW]

no one thinks it's illegal, emo.  it's a symptom of a flawed system when a syringe filled with epinephrine that costs maybe a buck fifty to manufacture is sold for $600.


i don't get what your thing about "people can afford them" and they're a want not a need is about.  do you not know what epinephrine does?  some % of people that don't have them, but should, will die.  they're just rolling the dice.

I mean I would have thought my story about my ex-girlfriend having her life saved by epinephrine when she didn't even know she had a life threatening allergy would have illustrated that for him, but it's apparently more important to be right about an incorrect preconceived notion than to actually acquire knowledge. Oh well.

It's a stupid rough ridin' story unless you're advocating that everyone carry an epipen because they might have a life threatening allergy, in which case that's a rough ridin' stupid idea.

[Emo EMAW]

They're stupidly rolling the dice, spending their money on one thing when it should be an epipen, is my point. 

I just don't believe that the line between life and death is so razor thin that even $600 or whatever it is separates it.  It's not the lack of $600 that will kill these people, it's their stupidity or ignorance to not do everything it takes to come up with the $600 to get something they need, while at the same time consuming things they don't truly need.  It's an extreme example but being homeless and with epipen would logically be better than being with roof and without epipen.  I assume we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.

You really don't know the rather large and sweeping false assumption you're making just to be right?

Maybe I don't.

If these people are so cheap why don't they just buy the generic?  It's muuuuuuuch cheaper and is even a 2-pack. 

[MakeItRain]

no one thinks it's illegal, emo.  it's a symptom of a flawed system when a syringe filled with epinephrine that costs maybe a buck fifty to manufacture is sold for $600.


i don't get what your thing about "people can afford them" and they're a want not a need is about.  do you not know what epinephrine does?  some % of people that don't have them, but should, will die.  they're just rolling the dice.

I mean I would have thought my story about my ex-girlfriend having her life saved by epinephrine when she didn't even know she had a life threatening allergy would have illustrated that for him, but it's apparently more important to be right about an incorrect preconceived notion than to actually acquire knowledge. Oh well.

It's a stupid rough ridin' story unless you're advocating that everyone carry an epipen because they might have a life threatening allergy, in which case that's a rough ridin' stupid idea.

That was preceded by a story about how businesses used to carry epipens but now they don't. It's significantly cheaper for us to have an aed than epipens, that's rough ridin' tragic.

Stop trying to be so contrary, you're terrible at it.

[Emo EMAW]

I missed the business part. 

Why don't they just buy the cheaper generic? 

[Emo EMAW]

Maybe it's part of their branding/marketing strategy?  "Only genuine save your life type crap here."

[MakeItRain]

They're stupidly rolling the dice, spending their money on one thing when it should be an epipen, is my point. 

I just don't believe that the line between life and death is so razor thin that even $600 or whatever it is separates it.  It's not the lack of $600 that will kill these people, it's their stupidity or ignorance to not do everything it takes to come up with the $600 to get something they need, while at the same time consuming things they don't truly need.  It's an extreme example but being homeless and with epipen would logically be better than being with roof and without epipen.  I assume we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.

You really don't know the rather large and sweeping false assumption you're making just to be right?

Maybe I don't.

If these people are so cheap why don't they just buy the generic?  It's muuuuuuuch cheaper and is even a 2-pack.

If you're speaking of adrenaclick, firstly it isn't a generic, more importantly it isn't easy to acquire although I'm guessing the last week has been a boon for them. You have to have a prescription, in the United States only, for adrenaclick or the epipen, and because of the amount of money Mylan flooded the market with, it is rarely asked for, prescribed by doctors, or carried by pharmacists. I wouldn't be shocked to hear that Mylan pays doctors to prescribe epipen, that isn't rare by any means. I'm sure this will and has changed somewhat but its worth noting that adrenaclick isn't "cheap."

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

Hey guys, let's just all agree our national policy concerning the development of medical technology should be based upon some kid MIR knows who wants to keep an epipen in his fanny pack just-in-case, but can't swing the $300 for a two-pack.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Do you have to buy these things by the 2 pack? That's ridiculous, if so.

[Emo EMAW]

They're stupidly rolling the dice, spending their money on one thing when it should be an epipen, is my point. 

I just don't believe that the line between life and death is so razor thin that even $600 or whatever it is separates it.  It's not the lack of $600 that will kill these people, it's their stupidity or ignorance to not do everything it takes to come up with the $600 to get something they need, while at the same time consuming things they don't truly need.  It's an extreme example but being homeless and with epipen would logically be better than being with roof and without epipen.  I assume we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.

You really don't know the rather large and sweeping false assumption you're making just to be right?

Maybe I don't.

If these people are so cheap why don't they just buy the generic?  It's muuuuuuuch cheaper and is even a 2-pack.

If you're speaking of adrenaclick, firstly it isn't a generic, more importantly it isn't easy to acquire although I'm guessing the last week has been a boon for them. You have to have a prescription, in the United States only, for adrenaclick or the epipen, and because of the amount of money Mylan flooded the market with, it is rarely asked for, prescribed by doctors, or carried by pharmacists. I wouldn't be shocked to hear that Mylan pays doctors to prescribe epipen, that isn't rare by any means. I'm sure this will and has changed somewhat but its worth noting that adrenaclick isn't "cheap."

I'm not sure the name of it.  Small town pharmacy talk ya know. 

How does a business stock something that requires a prescription? 

[MakeItRain]

They're stupidly rolling the dice, spending their money on one thing when it should be an epipen, is my point. 

I just don't believe that the line between life and death is so razor thin that even $600 or whatever it is separates it.  It's not the lack of $600 that will kill these people, it's their stupidity or ignorance to not do everything it takes to come up with the $600 to get something they need, while at the same time consuming things they don't truly need.  It's an extreme example but being homeless and with epipen would logically be better than being with roof and without epipen.  I assume we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.

You really don't know the rather large and sweeping false assumption you're making just to be right?

Maybe I don't.

If these people are so cheap why don't they just buy the generic?  It's muuuuuuuch cheaper and is even a 2-pack.

If you're speaking of adrenaclick, firstly it isn't a generic, more importantly it isn't easy to acquire although I'm guessing the last week has been a boon for them. You have to have a prescription, in the United States only, for adrenaclick or the epipen, and because of the amount of money Mylan flooded the market with, it is rarely asked for, prescribed by doctors, or carried by pharmacists. I wouldn't be shocked to hear that Mylan pays doctors to prescribe epipen, that isn't rare by any means. I'm sure this will and has changed somewhat but its worth noting that adrenaclick isn't "cheap."

I'm not sure the name of it.  Small town pharmacy talk ya know. 

How does a business stock something that requires a prescription?

I'd guess it would be much easier for a daycare or a nature center to get a Rx than a tattoo parlor or a plumbing supply company but who knows my common sense radar may be completely off.

I'm not sure what your point was in asking such a stupid question, but if the point is that it is asinine that you need a prescription for an epipen or adrenaclick, I wholeheartedly agree.

[Emo EMAW]

They're stupidly rolling the dice, spending their money on one thing when it should be an epipen, is my point. 

I just don't believe that the line between life and death is so razor thin that even $600 or whatever it is separates it.  It's not the lack of $600 that will kill these people, it's their stupidity or ignorance to not do everything it takes to come up with the $600 to get something they need, while at the same time consuming things they don't truly need.  It's an extreme example but being homeless and with epipen would logically be better than being with roof and without epipen.  I assume we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.

You really don't know the rather large and sweeping false assumption you're making just to be right?

Maybe I don't.

If these people are so cheap why don't they just buy the generic?  It's muuuuuuuch cheaper and is even a 2-pack.

If you're speaking of adrenaclick, firstly it isn't a generic, more importantly it isn't easy to acquire although I'm guessing the last week has been a boon for them. You have to have a prescription, in the United States only, for adrenaclick or the epipen, and because of the amount of money Mylan flooded the market with, it is rarely asked for, prescribed by doctors, or carried by pharmacists. I wouldn't be shocked to hear that Mylan pays doctors to prescribe epipen, that isn't rare by any means. I'm sure this will and has changed somewhat but its worth noting that adrenaclick isn't "cheap."

I'm not sure the name of it.  Small town pharmacy talk ya know. 

How does a business stock something that requires a prescription?

I'd guess it would be much easier for a daycare or a nature center to get a Rx than a tattoo parlor or a plumbing supply company but who knows my common sense radar may be completely off.

I'm not sure what your point was in asking such a stupid question, but if the point is that it is asinine that you need a prescription for an epipen or adrenaclick, I wholeheartedly agree.

I didn't have a point, just asking a question.  I do however wonder how many businesses stock epipens, and how many of those will no longer do so purely due to this increase in price.

[MakeItRain]

I haven't surveyed by any means but in my industry there are a lot fewer camps that keep them on site. We still have trainer pens and trainon how to use them but don't carry the actual pens.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Can you just get a pre-filled syringe of epinephrine? You could use one of these to administer it.

https://www.amazon.com/AUTOJECT-SELF-MUMFORD-Choice-One/dp/B004N10F7U

[sys]

you can get a vial of epinephrine and fill your own syringe if you ever need to, but you have to specifically ask a doctor to prescribe that for you.  you can't substitute a vial of epinephrine for an epipen script even though it's the exact same thing.

and because our medical system likes to pretend that cost is completely irrelevant to medical decisions, basically no american doctor ever asks their patient - hey, would you prefer a script for a $10 vial of epinephrine or for two $600 epipens?

[Emo EMAW]

It's because all those hot pharma sales reps are blowing the doctors.

[sys]

don't even get me started on why you need a doctor's permission to purchase the medical treatment you know you need in the first place.

[420seriouscat69]

With Mrs. Wacky's situation, we thought about adding her to my insurance plan here at work. I currently pay $38 a paycheck for my medical insurance and my work covers most of the remainder. Guess how much it would be a paycheck if I added Mrs. Wacky right now? $277 a paycheck!

[Tobias]

rough ridin' breeders

[wetwillie]

That's a rounding error for someone making as much as you are

[420seriouscat69]

rough ridin' breeders marriage

[Cartierfor3]

WC you have no idea my friend.

[420seriouscat69]

I'm terrified moving forward, friend.

[star seed 7]

With Mrs. Wacky's situation, we thought about adding her to my insurance plan here at work. I currently pay $38 a paycheck for my medical insurance and my work covers most of the remainder. Guess how much it would be a paycheck if I added Mrs. Wacky right now? $277 a paycheck!

Who pays the rest of the remainder?