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Quote from: Cartierfor3 on August 27, 2014, 03:29:24 PMThe problem EMO is the the Swat teams are used now to conduct search warrants for drugsThat's risk mitigation, so what?
The problem EMO is the the Swat teams are used now to conduct search warrants for drugs
I am fine with them having said sniper rifle. not ok with it being pointed at a non violent demonstration. I mean, if a cop walked up to my car with his pistol out and aimed at me to initiate a traffic stop, it would it matter even if I didn't end up getting shot.
Quote from: Emo EMAW on August 27, 2014, 03:33:01 PMQuote from: Cartierfor3 on August 27, 2014, 03:29:24 PMThe problem EMO is the the Swat teams are used now to conduct search warrants for drugsThat's risk mitigation, so what? http://www.wsvn.com/story/26228053/swat-raid-that-left-2-children-hurt-investigated
http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/toddler-critically-burned-during-swat-raid/nf9SJ/How's this example. Swat/No Knock Raids have no reason to be used in drug searches.
Here's an interesting read on the SLC Police chief, (who I googled after seeing his officer that shot a white kid was wearing a body camera):http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/30/chris-burbank-salt-lake-city_n_4170154.htmlhttp://perspectivesonthenews.blogs.deseretnews.com/2013/07/10/militarization-of-local-police-nationwide-worries-salt-lake-city-chief-chris-burbank/
"I just don't like the riot gear," Burbank says. "Some say not using it exposes my officers to a little bit more risk. That could be, but risk is part of the job. I'm just convinced that when we don riot gear, it says 'throw rocks and bottles at us.' It invites confrontation. Two-way communication and cooperation are what's important. If one side overreacts, then it all falls apart."
"Let's say you have neighbors complaining about a drug house on the corner," he says. "They don't feel safe. It's a menace. Now, you could do a long investigation, culminating in a big raid. But in the meantime, the neighbors still have to live with the menace. Why not just send two uniformed cops to the house that same afternoon? They knock. They say, 'Hey. Knock it off.' The drug dealers pick up and leave. No guns drawn, no raid. Which approach will have a more immediate effect on the neighborhood?"He adds that the latter approach is also less likely to get someone killed -- whether a cop, a drug suspect or a bystander.Burbank worries that police today get too much training in how to use different types of force, but too little training in conflict resolution.
Quote from: michigancat on August 27, 2014, 03:50:58 PMHere's an interesting read on the SLC Police chief, (who I googled after seeing his officer that shot a white kid was wearing a body camera):http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/30/chris-burbank-salt-lake-city_n_4170154.htmlhttp://perspectivesonthenews.blogs.deseretnews.com/2013/07/10/militarization-of-local-police-nationwide-worries-salt-lake-city-chief-chris-burbank/That is refreshing MC. I like this quote:Quote"I just don't like the riot gear," Burbank says. "Some say not using it exposes my officers to a little bit more risk. That could be, but risk is part of the job. I'm just convinced that when we don riot gear, it says 'throw rocks and bottles at us.' It invites confrontation. Two-way communication and cooperation are what's important. If one side overreacts, then it all falls apart."
Quote from: MakeItRain on August 27, 2014, 02:03:53 AMDo you idiots have any idea just how many times cops shoot unarmed citizens of any race and it doesn't become national news? I put a link in this thread like 10 days ago of LAPD shooting and killing an unarmed black man who was mentally handicapped, no one batted an eye. I really don't understand the stupid strawman that the libtard media will only talk about this when it happens to a black person and every time it happens it is national news, cut the crap. This Michael Brown story didn't become news when it happened, it became news when the citizens started to protest, some started to riot, the media got wind of the history of Ferguson PD and its citizens, and the FPD and STL Sheriff's started arresting media members. Cops shooting people has absolutely become "Dog Bites Man." The Brown/Ferguson story has several elements that are "Man Bites Dog."This is a great point. I've mentioned a couple times how there is no one officially tracking cops killing people. There's this unofficial site that started last May that has found almost 1500 (which averages to about 1100/year).https://www.facebook.com/KilledByPolicehttp://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/another-much-higher-count-of-police-homicides/good for the people of Ferguson for drawing attention to this.
Do you idiots have any idea just how many times cops shoot unarmed citizens of any race and it doesn't become national news? I put a link in this thread like 10 days ago of LAPD shooting and killing an unarmed black man who was mentally handicapped, no one batted an eye. I really don't understand the stupid strawman that the libtard media will only talk about this when it happens to a black person and every time it happens it is national news, cut the crap. This Michael Brown story didn't become news when it happened, it became news when the citizens started to protest, some started to riot, the media got wind of the history of Ferguson PD and its citizens, and the FPD and STL Sheriff's started arresting media members. Cops shooting people has absolutely become "Dog Bites Man." The Brown/Ferguson story has several elements that are "Man Bites Dog."
Quote from: Cartierfor3 on August 27, 2014, 04:14:03 PMQuote from: michigancat on August 27, 2014, 03:50:58 PMHere's an interesting read on the SLC Police chief, (who I googled after seeing his officer that shot a white kid was wearing a body camera):http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/30/chris-burbank-salt-lake-city_n_4170154.htmlhttp://perspectivesonthenews.blogs.deseretnews.com/2013/07/10/militarization-of-local-police-nationwide-worries-salt-lake-city-chief-chris-burbank/That is refreshing MC. I like this quote:Quote"I just don't like the riot gear," Burbank says. "Some say not using it exposes my officers to a little bit more risk. That could be, but risk is part of the job. I'm just convinced that when we don riot gear, it says 'throw rocks and bottles at us.' It invites confrontation. Two-way communication and cooperation are what's important. If one side overreacts, then it all falls apart."Wait wait wait, so the cops show up in riot gear, the citizens throw rocks at them, and it's the polices' fault?
I mean if cops show up in my neighborhood with riot gear on, I don't rock/bottle their asses, I call mayor and complain. I might even move and pay property taxes elsewhere.
A couple weeks ago, Chicago had snipers set up on downtown buildings because an Israel-Palestine related protest was scheduled... What the eff is that all about?
Quote from: Emo EMAW on August 27, 2014, 04:27:02 PMI mean if cops show up in my neighborhood with riot gear on, I don't rock/bottle their asses, I call mayor and complain. I might even move and pay property taxes elsewhere.What if they shot your neighbor and then told you to deal with it?