Phil Steele was on 610 this morning, 7-6, at 11am

[BMWJhawk]

Jayhawks, the first thing people do when they're losing an argument is to start making personal attacks.  I know, because I've done it myself.  You can question my football knowledge and my level of "fanhood" all day long.  The bottom line is that we disagree with each other when it comes to Clint Bowen.  Do I think Bowen made some mistakes in his first year as d-coordinator?  Yes, of course.  However, I'm of firm belief that the players on the field are the ones who have the most impact on a football game.  How can you blame a missed tackle on Clint Bowen?  Players have been learning how to tackle since pee wee football.  The coaches work on fundamentals during the off-season, but you're naive if you think ku practices tackling formation on a regular basis. 

At the D-1 level, the players are required to practice and play at 100% all of the time.  The game speed steps up a notch and the game preparation is much more demanding at the college level.  Bowen's job as d-coordinator is to put his players in a position to succeed.  The problem last season for ku was that our cornerbacks were completely inexperienced once Kendrick Harper went out with that injury.  Like I noted earlier in the thread, Chris Harris was Big 12 Newcomer of the Year in '07 playing opposite of Talib... but once he had to take on more responsibility, his weaknesses were exposed.  Bowen switched things up and put Patterson and Thornton at CB during the middle of the season, but Patterson was a true freshman and Thornton was switching positions.  It wasn't an instant cure... but they did make progress as the season drew to a close. 

The Bill Miller hire was centered more around Steve Tovar's resignation than anything else.  It just so happened that Miller was a very strong candidate with a ton of D-1 experience.  Miller is also more familiar with the 4-2-5, which ku is implimenting next season. 

[sonofdaxjones]

Can Tardville take their little debate off line . . . thanks.

Now, does anyone else have anything to discuss about Phil Steele's 610 and 810 appearances, besides Tardville trying to tell us how he's got it all wrong in regards to ku.

[BMWJhawk]

1.  When a team covers the spread, you can rule out the luck factor.  Find me an example of one game that ku won in '07 strictly because of luck.  (Here's a hint: you can't, because it didn't happen.) (no one here has claimed on any level that ku won a particular game in 2007 in some sort of "lucky" fashion, we are saying that a good ku team played an extremely weak schedule, in fact I believe it was the or close to the weakest schedule of any BCS conference school . . . and while Mangino may try his best, that will be a situation that will likely never happen again.   When the schedule got tougher the next year, ku was right back at .500 in conference play, pretty much where ku always is in conference play)

2.  If ku's offense drops 80 spots, it probably has a lot more to do with the replacements for Reesing, Briscoe, etc. than what play Warriner is calling from the sidelines. (my point has nothing to do with individual play calling at all . . . never has been the point, never will be the point)

3.  Calm down, 'Pad.  No need to throw around "dumbass" and "tard" like it's your job.  Tone down the   factor. (it is what it is, when you constantly deploy the logic you use, there are no other words that can describe it)

1.  Get over it already.  ku had a very good team that played the schedule it was handed.  The Big 12 creates ku's conference schedule.  Central Michigan was a bowl team and Toledo beat ku the year before.  And no, it wasn't the easiest schedule of any BCS school.  

2.  In that case, you are even more clueless than I thought.  

3.  You call anyone a "dumbass" who doesn't subscribe to your skewed view of reality.  It's not just a coincidence that you were disassociated from K-State for being an intolerant prick.  It's quite obvious that you get   whenever I own you like a cheap suit, but hey, that's pretty much an every day occurrence around these parts.  I traditionally save the term "dumbass" for people who constantly confuse simple words such as "to" and "too."  

[Perry]

Now, does anyone else have anything to discuss about Phil Steele's 610 and 810 appearances, besides Tardville trying to tell us how he's got it all wrong in regards to ku.

I like how he doesn't think we're gonna completely blow


Fwiw, the uk talk is newer and more interesting than dax vs bmw for the 84354th time

[ksufanatic7]

 

[sonofdaxjones]

1.  When a team covers the spread, you can rule out the luck factor.  Find me an example of one game that ku won in '07 strictly because of luck.  (Here's a hint: you can't, because it didn't happen.) (no one here has claimed on any level that ku won a particular game in 2007 in some sort of "lucky" fashion, we are saying that a good ku team played an extremely weak schedule, in fact I believe it was the or close to the weakest schedule of any BCS conference school . . . and while Mangino may try his best, that will be a situation that will likely never happen again.   When the schedule got tougher the next year, ku was right back at .500 in conference play, pretty much where ku always is in conference play)

2.  If ku's offense drops 80 spots, it probably has a lot more to do with the replacements for Reesing, Briscoe, etc. than what play Warriner is calling from the sidelines. (my point has nothing to do with individual play calling at all . . . never has been the point, never will be the point)

3.  Calm down, 'Pad.  No need to throw around "dumbass" and "tard" like it's your job.  Tone down the   factor. (it is what it is, when you constantly deploy the logic you use, there are no other words that can describe it)

1.  Get over it already.  ku had a very good team that played the schedule it was handed.  The Big 12 creates ku's conference schedule.  Central Michigan was a bowl team and Toledo beat ku the year before.  And no, it wasn't the easiest schedule of any BCS school.  (if anyone needs to get over it, it's you . . . someday you'll actually get it that we're not going to give ku's 2007 the due you demand, until ku steps up and does the same thing against a schedule that has a little backbone in it . . . until proven otherwise, 2007 was a statistical anomaly created by a good team playing a very weak schedule.  Oh, and I clearly said that it was either THE or one of THE weakest schedules, I really hate having to correct your inability to read and comprehend all the time).  

2.  In that case, you are even more clueless than I thought. (You can't discuss this with someone who attempts to drive home a point that a "unit" in the game of football going from one of the best, to one of the worst (out of about 116 teams) in the span of 1 year isn't worthy of a significant review of the coaches, systems, and methods at hand . . . just a piece of career advice, don't attempt to take that same logic into the business world unless you want to work for a company or own a company that isn't long for existence.   But please, if ku goes from having one of the Top 20 best offenses in the country this year, to the 90th-95th best offense at the end of the 2010 regular season, by all means implore Mark Mangino to just chalk it up as a loss of a couple of key personnel and roll with it.  Implore him to not even think about visiting this situation with his coaches and reviewing the systems they employ and recruiting methods they use.)

3.  You call anyone a "dumbass" who doesn't subscribe to your skewed view of reality.  It's not just a coincidence that you were disassociated from K-State for being an intolerant prick.  It's quite obvious that you get   whenever I own you like a cheap suit, but hey, that's pretty much an every day occurrence around these parts.  I traditionally save the term "dumbass" for people who constantly confuse simple words such as "to" and "too." (actually I've been fully re associated and enjoy the rights and privileges afforded to any and all K-State season ticket holders and Ahearn Club Donors in accordance to their respective level of giving of course.  In terms of your referencing the usage of "to" and "too" I fully admit I often get it wrong, and I've found that some of the smartest people in the world often get it wrong as well when they're just doing things like sending an email or "writing" in a very informal setting.   There's common grammatical errors and then there's idiocy/idiot logic . . . the two are about as near to being mutually exclusive as you can get.  There's nothing funnier than a ku fan on a K-State bulletin board who says they "own someone" when that ku fan repeatedly melts down, storms off, cancels their account, has multiple socks, actually gets mad because people make fun of their obsession with K-State and their post count on this board, and that ku fan gets all   at every conceivable slight of ku, even when 85% of the time it's nothing but  )

[j@yh@wks]

Bowen's job as d-coordinator is to put his players in a position to succeed.  Blah Blah Blah.

And he did an atrocious job at this last year.  
Wasnt attacking you, sorry if you feel that way, maybe grow a little thicker skin.  I don't question your a Jayhawk fan, just questioning how much of a football fan you are.  I know all about the speed of the game and blah blah blah.  Not being in position and no intensity is a reflection on the coach no matter how you want to spin it.  I agree that they made progress as the season went on but you are still not accounting for other things, the LB's had problems being in position, the DB's had problems being in position and the DL was lifeless at times.
the 4-2-5 is just the nickle, ku ran it a bunch of times last year and failed at it on passing downs and is going to run it MORE, not always, this year.  I'm sorry but returning 8 players from a #12 D and falling all the way to #89 is a reflection on coaching.  
Like i've said a hundred times here and elsewhere, ku will be improved on D this year mainly because of Talent and Depth and I pick them to finish 9-2 before the B12CG.  I think Miller is going to provide the intensity and the "take no prisoners" attitude that was missing last year.  5-0 in the North.

[krazykat]

 KSU's tailgates:  EMAW clothing, natty light keystone light, beef, and washers.  

[j@yh@wks]

1.  When a team covers the spread, you can rule out the luck factor.  Find me an example of one game that ku won in '07 strictly because of luck.  (Here's a hint: you can't, because it didn't happen.) (no one here has claimed on any level that ku won a particular game in 2007 in some sort of "lucky" fashion, we are saying that a good ku team played an extremely weak schedule, in fact I believe it was the or close to the weakest schedule of any BCS conference school . . . and while Mangino may try his best, that will be a situation that will likely never happen again.   When the schedule got tougher the next year, ku was right back at .500 in conference play, pretty much where ku always is in conference play)

2.  If ku's offense drops 80 spots, it probably has a lot more to do with the replacements for Reesing, Briscoe, etc. than what play Warriner is calling from the sidelines. (my point has nothing to do with individual play calling at all . . . never has been the point, never will be the point)

3.  Calm down, 'Pad.  No need to throw around "dumbass" and "tard" like it's your job.  Tone down the   factor. (it is what it is, when you constantly deploy the logic you use, there are no other words that can describe it)

1.  Get over it already.  ku had a very good team that played the schedule it was handed.  The Big 12 creates ku's conference schedule.  Central Michigan was a bowl team and Toledo beat ku the year before.  And no, it wasn't the easiest schedule of any BCS school.  (if anyone needs to get over it, it's you . . . someday you'll actually get it that we're not going to give ku's 2007 the due you demand, until ku steps up and does the same thing against a schedule that has a little backbone in it . . . until proven otherwise, 2007 was a statistical anomaly created by a good team playing a very weak schedule.  Oh, and I clearly said that it was either THE or one of THE weakest schedules, I really hate having to correct your inability to read and comprehend all the time).  

2.  In that case, you are even more clueless than I thought. (You can't discuss this with someone who attempts to drive home a point that a "unit" in the game of football going from one of the best, to one of the worst (out of about 116 teams) in the span of 1 year isn't worthy of a significant review of the coaches, systems, and methods at hand . . . just a piece of career advice, don't attempt to take that same logic into the business world unless you want to work for a company or own a company that isn't long for existence.   But please, if ku goes from having one of the Top 20 best offenses in the country this year, to the 90th-95th best offense at the end of the 2010 regular season, by all means implore Mark Mangino to just chalk it up as a loss of a couple of key personnel and roll with it.  Implore him to not even think about visiting this situation with his coaches and reviewing the systems they employ and recruiting methods they use.)

3.  You call anyone a "dumbass" who doesn't subscribe to your skewed view of reality.  It's not just a coincidence that you were disassociated from K-State for being an intolerant prick.  It's quite obvious that you get   whenever I own you like a cheap suit, but hey, that's pretty much an every day occurrence around these parts.  I traditionally save the term "dumbass" for people who constantly confuse simple words such as "to" and "too." (actually I've been fully re associated and enjoy the rights and privileges afforded to any and all K-State season ticket holders and Ahearn Club Donors in accordance to their respective level of giving of course.  In terms of your referencing the usage of "to" and "too" I fully admit I often get it wrong, and I've found that some of the smartest people in the world often get it wrong as well when they're just doing things like sending an email or "writing" in a very informal setting.   There's common grammatical errors and then there's idiocy/idiot logic . . . the two are about as near to being mutually exclusive as you can get.  There's nothing funnier than a ku fan on a K-State bulletin board who says they "own someone" when that ku fan repeatedly melts down, storms off, cancels their account, has multiple socks, actually gets mad because people make fun of their obsession with K-State and their post count on this board, and that ku fan gets all   at every conceivable slight of ku, even when 85% of the time it's nothing but  )

My only irritation is the fact that USC finished with an easier schedule than ku that year but got tons of love.  Where's my love.

[Jethopper]

So let me get this straight.

The Bentard demands that we believe him when he says that ku's defense is going to be a lot better, particularly because they got some Juco guy who had last minute offers from OU and Michigan. (hell they just might be, my whole point is that I don't think the coaching horsepower exists on the defensive side of the ball over in Tardville to really cause any significant improvement). 

But we can't for one second think (and I am not saying we really are thinking this, in fact I think most of us want to see it before we'll believe it) that the addition of a pretty solid transfer from a Big East School, and the addition of of a guy who by all accounts  has tremendous talent will not help K-State's QB depth??  

That's some significant shortdick syndrome there.

Classic Bentard.

1.  Brooks had offers to Oklahoma, Tennessee, and Auburn, among others.  The offers came last minute because Brooks didn't expect to qualify for D-1 until late in the recruiting process.  

2.  Woods, the 6'6 4-star d-end, committed to Michigan out of high school.  For some reason, I expect him to improve ku's depth at the d-end position.

3.  Gregory was a 2nd-stringer for South Florida.  Sorry if I'm not willing to say that he'll be an upgrade over a 1st round NFL Draft pick.  


 

If you think players are good mostly because they are recruited by big time programs, then you need to start looking into a Dungeons and Dragons club.

[JTKSU]

1.  When a team covers the spread, you can rule out the luck factor.  Find me an example of one game that ku won in '07 strictly because of luck.  (Here's a hint: you can't, because it didn't happen.) (no one here has claimed on any level that ku won a particular game in 2007 in some sort of "lucky" fashion, we are saying that a good ku team played an extremely weak schedule, in fact I believe it was the or close to the weakest schedule of any BCS conference school . . . and while Mangino may try his best, that will be a situation that will likely never happen again.   When the schedule got tougher the next year, ku was right back at .500 in conference play, pretty much where ku always is in conference play)

2.  If ku's offense drops 80 spots, it probably has a lot more to do with the replacements for Reesing, Briscoe, etc. than what play Warriner is calling from the sidelines. (my point has nothing to do with individual play calling at all . . . never has been the point, never will be the point)

3.  Calm down, 'Pad.  No need to throw around "dumbass" and "tard" like it's your job.  Tone down the   factor. (it is what it is, when you constantly deploy the logic you use, there are no other words that can describe it)

1.  Get over it already.  ku had a very good team that played the schedule it was handed.  The Big 12 creates ku's conference schedule.  Central Michigan was a bowl team and Toledo beat ku the year before.  And no, it wasn't the easiest schedule of any BCS school.  (if anyone needs to get over it, it's you . . . someday you'll actually get it that we're not going to give ku's 2007 the due you demand, until ku steps up and does the same thing against a schedule that has a little backbone in it . . . until proven otherwise, 2007 was a statistical anomaly created by a good team playing a very weak schedule.  Oh, and I clearly said that it was either THE or one of THE weakest schedules, I really hate having to correct your inability to read and comprehend all the time).  

2.  In that case, you are even more clueless than I thought. (You can't discuss this with someone who attempts to drive home a point that a "unit" in the game of football going from one of the best, to one of the worst (out of about 116 teams) in the span of 1 year isn't worthy of a significant review of the coaches, systems, and methods at hand . . . just a piece of career advice, don't attempt to take that same logic into the business world unless you want to work for a company or own a company that isn't long for existence.   But please, if ku goes from having one of the Top 20 best offenses in the country this year, to the 90th-95th best offense at the end of the 2010 regular season, by all means implore Mark Mangino to just chalk it up as a loss of a couple of key personnel and roll with it.  Implore him to not even think about visiting this situation with his coaches and reviewing the systems they employ and recruiting methods they use.)

3.  You call anyone a "dumbass" who doesn't subscribe to your skewed view of reality.  It's not just a coincidence that you were disassociated from K-State for being an intolerant prick.  It's quite obvious that you get   whenever I own you like a cheap suit, but hey, that's pretty much an every day occurrence around these parts.  I traditionally save the term "dumbass" for people who constantly confuse simple words such as "to" and "too." (actually I've been fully re associated and enjoy the rights and privileges afforded to any and all K-State season ticket holders and Ahearn Club Donors in accordance to their respective level of giving of course.  In terms of your referencing the usage of "to" and "too" I fully admit I often get it wrong, and I've found that some of the smartest people in the world often get it wrong as well when they're just doing things like sending an email or "writing" in a very informal setting.   There's common grammatical errors and then there's idiocy/idiot logic . . . the two are about as near to being mutually exclusive as you can get.  There's nothing funnier than a ku fan on a K-State bulletin board who says they "own someone" when that ku fan repeatedly melts down, storms off, cancels their account, has multiple socks, actually gets mad because people make fun of their obsession with K-State and their post count on this board, and that ku fan gets all   at every conceivable slight of ku, even when 85% of the time it's nothing but  )

My only irritation is the fact that USC finished with an easier schedule than ku that year but got tons of love.  Where's my love.

_________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
FINAL College Football 2007 through games of 2008 January 7 Monday    the BCS uses the ELO_CHESS from here
HOME ADVANTAGE=  2.58           RATING    W   L  SCHEDL(RANK) VS top 10 | VS top 30 |  ELO_CHESS   |  PREDICTOR 
   1  LSU                  A  =  93.39   12   2   76.26(  11)    2   0  |    5   2  |   94.21    1 |   92.43    4
   2 Kansas               A  =  92.78   12   1   67.68(  74)    1   1  |    2   1  |   93.67    2 |   91.76    7
   3  West Virginia        A  =  92.29   11   2   73.61(  40)    1   0  |    2   1  |   89.40    5 |   95.80    1
   4  Southern California  A  =  90.94   11   2   74.45(  29)    0   1  |    4   1  |   89.40    6 |   92.38    5
   5  Oklahoma             A  =  90.66   11   3   73.10(  44)    2   1  |    4   2  |   87.53    8 |   94.55    2
   6  Missouri             A  =  90.48   12   2   75.19(  25)    1   2  |    4   2  |   89.75    4 |   90.97    8
   7  Georgia              A  =  89.83   11   2   75.35(  23)    1   0  |    4   1  |   90.96    3 |   88.61    9
   8  Oregon               A  =  88.19    9   4   77.40(   5)    1   0  |    4   2  |   84.54   13 |   92.98    3
   9  Virginia Tech        A  =  87.84   11   3   73.90(  36)    0   2  |    2   3  |   87.67    7 |   87.75   11
  10  Florida              A  =  87.59    9   4   77.47(   3)    0   2  |    2   4  |   83.99   16 |   92.23    6

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbt07.htm

Um.  Maybe I'm reading this wrong ?

[sonofdaxjones]

2007 Regular Season:

USC vs Top 20 BCS: 1-0

ku vs Top 20 BCS: 0-1

USC vs Final AP Top 25:  2-1

ku vs Final AP Top 25:  0-1

[cireksu]

2007 Regular Season:

USC vs Top 20 BCS: 1-0

ku vs Top 20 BCS: 0-1

USC vs Final AP Top 25:  2-1

ku vs Final AP Top 25:  0-1

 

[DrJamesANaismith]

but golly, ku beat that pesky Virginia Tech team in '07 (AP #9,  and BCS #19).... conveniently left out of the "regular season" wet spot on the front of Pad's jorts.

[LimestoneOutcropping]

but golly, ku beat that pesky Virginia Tech team .... conveniently left out of the "regular season" wet spot on the front of Pad's jorts.

Didn't he say regular season?

He left off exhibition.

[j@yh@wks]

________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
FINAL College Football 2007 through games of 2008 January 7 Monday    the BCS uses the ELO_CHESS from here
HOME ADVANTAGE=  2.58           RATING    W   L  SCHEDL(RANK) VS top 10 | VS top 30 |  ELO_CHESS   |  PREDICTOR 
   1  LSU                  A  =  93.39   12   2   76.26(  11)    2   0  |    5   2  |   94.21    1 |   92.43    4
   2 Kansas               A  =  92.78   12   1   67.68(  74)    1   1  |    2   1  |   93.67    2 |   91.76    7
   3  West Virginia        A  =  92.29   11   2   73.61(  40)    1   0  |    2   1  |   89.40    5 |   95.80    1
   4  Southern California  A  =  90.94   11   2   74.45(  29)    0   1  |    4   1  |   89.40    6 |   92.38    5
   5  Oklahoma             A  =  90.66   11   3   73.10(  44)    2   1  |    4   2  |   87.53    8 |   94.55    2
   6  Missouri             A  =  90.48   12   2   75.19(  25)    1   2  |    4   2  |   89.75    4 |   90.97    8
   7  Georgia              A  =  89.83   11   2   75.35(  23)    1   0  |    4   1  |   90.96    3 |   88.61    9
   8  Oregon               A  =  88.19    9   4   77.40(   5)    1   0  |    4   2  |   84.54   13 |   92.98    3
   9  Virginia Tech        A  =  87.84   11   3   73.90(  36)    0   2  |    2   3  |   87.67    7 |   87.75   11
  10  Florida              A  =  87.59    9   4   77.47(   3)    0   2  |    2   4  |   83.99   16 |   92.23    6

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbt07.htm

Um.  Maybe I'm reading this wrong ?

Um.  67.68 is better than 74.45

here is the ncaa link Link

[cireksu]

but golly, ku beat that pesky Virginia Tech team .... conveniently left out of the "regular season" wet spot on the front of Pad's jorts.

Didn't he say regular season?

He left off exhibition.

lol, ku fans are so football stupid that they don't realize bowl games aren't a part of the reg season.

[sonofdaxjones]

LOL . . . when we were talking about ku having a 70 something SOS we were clearly talking about the "regular season".   On the AP side of the equation what the Stalksmith posted was VT's end of season AP ranking, as Bentard (who apparently has stormed out in a big huff as per usual . . . poor little fella) repeatedly points out, VT went into the Orange Bowl ranked #3 in the country.    Still don't know how a team that was crushed by #1 ends up in the Top 3 at the end of the regular season, and don't know how a 3 loss team ends up finishing in the Top 10 after the bowls .  .  . but it makes Tardville feel good, and VT gets plenty of that spooky, love you long time mojo from ESPN and others, so good for them.

Given the relative strangeness, high level of latency, and total inability to "get it" demonstrated early and often by DocStalkSmith . . . I am convinced the poor little guy/gal is either a heavy drug/alcohol user (hey can't blame him/her) or has some sort of mental disorder.

[j@yh@wks]

2007 Regular Season:

USC vs Top 20 BCS: 1-0

ku vs Top 20 BCS: 0-1

USC vs Final AP Top 25:  2-1

ku vs Final AP Top 25:  0-1

Way off with this one Dax. Use the top 25 for both for consistencies sake.
LOL.  They lost to Stanford that year.  ku stomped every team with stanford caliber talent.  
Also look at the numbers of those BCS top rankings.

USC  Vs.  #23 Oregon -  L
USC  Vs.  #16 ASU     -  W
USC  Vs.  #20 Ill         - W (Bowl)

ku    Vs.  #4 Moo    -   L
ku    Vs.  #9 VT      -   W (Bowl)

So ku finished 1-1 against top 10 teams and USC finished 2-1 against teams ranked out of the top 15.  I repeat, USC did NOT play a single top  15 team that year.  

[cireksu]

Oregon was ranked number 2 when dixon went down.

[PowercatPat]

VT had no business being ranked in the top 10 in the AP poll anyway. They played in the worst conference that season. The ACC was pathetic.

[sonofdaxjones]

2007 Regular Season:

USC vs Top 20 BCS: 1-0

ku vs Top 20 BCS: 0-1

USC vs Final AP Top 25:  2-1

ku vs Final AP Top 25:  0-1

Way off with this one Dax. Use the top 25 for both for consistencies sake.
LOL.  They lost to Stanford that year.  ku stomped every team with stanford caliber talent.  
Also look at the numbers of those BCS top rankings.

USC  Vs.  #23 Oregon -  L
USC  Vs.  #16 ASU     -  W
USC  Vs.  #20 Ill         - W (Bowl)

ku    Vs.  #4 Moo    -   L
ku    Vs.  #9 VT      -   W (Bowl)

So ku finished 1-1 against top 10 teams and USC finished 2-1 against teams ranked out of the top 15.  I repeat, USC did NOT play a single top  15 team that year.  

You do understand what "regular season" means right??  

You do understand that a Sagarin SOS Score of 74.45 is better than a Sagarin SOS score of 67.78 right??

You do understand that during the regular season USC played 3 Final Top 25 teams, and that ku played 1 Final Top 25 team right??

You do understand that during the regular season USC played 1 BCS Top 20 team and won, while ku played 1 Final BCS Top 20 and lost right??

You do understand that during the 2007 season USC played 5 Sagarin Top 30 teams, and ku played 3 Sagarin Top 30 teams right??

At the end of the entire season, you understand that USC was 2-0 against Final BCS Top 20 Opponents and ku was 1-1 against Final BCS Top 20 opponents right??

At the end of the entire football season, you do understand that USC was 3-1 vs teams in the AP Final Top 25, while ku was 1-1 vs teams in the AP Final Top 25 right??

[DrJamesANaismith]

VT had no business being ranked in the top 10 in the AP poll anyway. They played in the worst conference that season. The ACC was pathetic.

Yet, they finished in the #9 of the final AP poll.

weird huh?

[snauzages]

i wish i had a timemachine, 2007 asap please. Lots of investigating to do re this ku football team.

[Lurker]

 

[85catbacker]

1.  The ku coaching staff was looking for someone to replace Steve Tovar as LB's coach.

So they needed to open up a coaching position to bring in a new guy so Tovar was picked to "pursue other personal interests"

2.  The '07 defense was better when you consider that it had two All-Americans and finished with a 12-1 record.  

Lets see. 05 played a tougher schedule, ranked higher, and did it without 2 AAs. Looks to me that 05 would be considered the better D.

3.  So you admit that your dislike for Bowen is personal, and has nothing to do with his coaching ability.  Thanks for completely invalidating yourself.

Bill Young was the best D coach ku has had in years.  If you watched any ku FB prior to 07 you could see that the play of the D was the only reason the team improved.  Bill young seemed to be in the headsets of most opponents as they always seemed to be in the right formation & position. Hell, he even turned Nick Reid and 2 other scrubs into one of the best LB corps in the Big 12.  


 

[ERA7777]

And that '07 ku team was as good as '97, '02 and '03 K-State teams, right?   

And to even think they could stay within 3 touchdowns of the '98 team is beyond rediculous.  Oh well.

[Dick Knewheizel]

I caught Phil Steele on the radio after he had started talking about K-State so I didn't get everything.  I can't remember ever hearing him actually talk before, but was really impressed at his overall knowledge of the makeups of each team.  I always figured/assumed he was numbers geek, sabrematrician, but it seems like he uses a lot of subjective assumptions in his predictions and obviously puts a lot of weight in home games.  Considering how accurate he is, this really surprised me, because it seems like people who make predictions like these (i.e. Lee Corso) are never right.  

I also like how he much weight he put on line play and special teams.  I think skills positions are way overrated when it comes to winning games and that the game is still won in the trenches  .  I base this opinion on the fact that may two favorite football teams, Cats and Chiefs, both crumbled after they lost failed to rebuild offensive and defensive lines.

I don't know how the he!! we get to 8 wins this season (like he implied), but the dude is right more often than he's wrong.  Can't wait for football  

F&ck uk fans, go revise football history on your own board!  

[MadCat]

BTW, very thankful for this:

[j@yh@wks]

VT had no business being ranked in the top 10 in the AP poll anyway. They played in the worst conference that season. The ACC was pathetic.

Actually the Pac10 was worse.