Phil Steele was on 610 this morning, 7-6, at 11am

[sonofdaxjones]

It's called a coach trying to CYA a clueless defensive staff.

Wow, look at what real defenses did to the Big 12.  OU held to 14 points, nearly 40 below their average by Florida, Texas held to 22 below their average by Ohio State, Tech held to 14 below their average by Mississippi,  Okie LIte held to 9 below their average by frankly . . . not a very good defensive team in Oregon, Missouri held to 12 below their average by an okay Northwestern Defense.  

I think the way the bowl season played out, we can reasonably conclude that the Big 12 was pretty much overrated.

But hey, the coaching masterminds of Bill Miller and Clint "Cheat and get a Promotion" Bowen are going to take the same crew plus a couple of newbies and propel them to incredible heights of defensive awesomeness at ku this year.

[JTKSU]

OT: Do ku homers drink red Kool-aid or blue Kool-aid, or does the decision just make them  ...or does the fact that you mix both and it makes   just makes them   ?

We drink that blue koolaid that tastes like cherry's.

Who is this Cherry girl, and why are you drinking her kool-aid?  Better make sure that Sparkles hasn't tasted it first...

[MadCat]

OT: Do ku homers drink red Kool-aid or blue Kool-aid, or does the decision just make them  ...or does the fact that you mix both and it makes   just makes them   ?

We drink that blue koolaid that tastes like cherry's.

Thank you, j@yh@wks.  I appreciate your cooperation.  I consider my question answered and am satisfied with the quality of your answer.  This issue is resolved.  

Who is this Cherry girl, and why are you drinking her kool-aid?  Better make sure that Sparkles hasn't tasted it first...

  This 'Tang tastes like blue Kool-aid.   

[cireksu]

bmw might be the biggest homer that ever homered.

[sonofdaxjones]

I am blaming 2004 on the loss of Ell Roberson and 2005 on the loss Nick Leckey.

[j@yh@wks]

It's called a coach trying to CYA a clueless defensive staff.

Wow, look at what real defenses did to the Big 12.  OU held to 14 points, nearly 40 below their average by Florida, Texas held to 22 below their average by Ohio State, Tech held to 14 below their average by Mississippi,  Okie LIte held to 9 below their average by frankly . . . not a very good defensive team in Oregon, Missouri held to 12 below their average by an okay Northwestern Defense.  

I think the way the bowl season played out, we can reasonably conclude that the Big 12 was pretty much overrated.

But hey, the coaching masterminds of Bill Miller and Clint "Cheat and get a Promotion" Bowen are going to take the same crew plus a couple of newbies and propel them to incredible heights of defensive awesomeness at ku this year.

I do not think the B12 was grossly overated.  We have bad D's so of course the teams with better D's are going to hold the B12 teams below their averages. 4-3 in bowls so that's not bad.  OU was an embarrassment though.  I do think the D will be better this year because of better talent and I think the fact the Clint is now a co- again, Mangino noticed the poor coaching and is trying to get it fixed.  I would say ku finishes between 30 and 50 in Overall D next year.  Good enough for at least 2-3 more wins.  

[j@yh@wks]

I am blaming 2004 on the loss of Ell Roberson and 2005 on the loss Nick Leckey.

Lol.

[sonofdaxjones]

Posted by: j@yh@wks

I do not think the B12 was grossly overated.  We have bad D's so of course the teams with better D's are going to hold the B12 teams below their averages. 4-3 in bowls so that's not bad.  OU was an embarrassment though.  I do think the D will be better this year because of better talent and I think the fact the Clint is now a co- again, Mangino noticed the poor coaching and is trying to get it fixed.  I would say ku finishes between 30 and 50 in Overall D next year.  Good enough for at least 2-3 more wins. 

Reasonable enough . . . but the Big 12 North winner has at least 2 losses, and the Big 12 North drought of losing the CCG continues . . . sorry kids.

[j@yh@wks]

Posted by: j@yh@wks

I do not think the B12 was grossly overated.  We have bad D's so of course the teams with better D's are going to hold the B12 teams below their averages. 4-3 in bowls so that's not bad.  OU was an embarrassment though.  I do think the D will be better this year because of better talent and I think the fact the Clint is now a co- again, Mangino noticed the poor coaching and is trying to get it fixed.  I would say ku finishes between 30 and 50 in Overall D next year.  Good enough for at least 2-3 more wins. 

Reasonable enough . . . but the Big 12 North winner has at least 2 losses, and the Big 12 North drought of losing the CCG continues . . . sorry kids.

hard to argue that.

[cireksu]

I am blaming 2004 on the loss of Ell Roberson and 2005 on the loss Nick Leckey.

I blame the 03 season for the loss of Terrance newman and tank reese and terry pierce.

[sonofdaxjones]

I am blaming 2004 on the loss of Ell Roberson and 2005 on the loss Nick Leckey.

I blame the 03 season for the loss of Terrance newman and tank reese and terry pierce.

I blame the 1995 loss to Colorado on Chad May.

[BMWJhawk]

jayhawks...


In addition to the loss of Talib, the coach pointed to a lack of an effective pass rush, which was aided last year by the presence of McClinton, another All-American.



 

That's fine,exactly what i've been saying, but i'm also saying that losing Bill was bigger than losing McClinton and Talib.  And it showed on the field last year.  The D wasn't horrible, but it was not very good either and it was the small things, ie. being out of position and poor tackling that shows a lack of coaching.  Hell the chiefs tackled better last year.  Don't flame on me with your big @ss bold words, i usually defend you, but here you are not making much sense to anyone that watched football prior to 2007. 

Then you disagree with Coach Mangino and the rest of the people who know what they're talking about when it comes to the game of football.  Bill Young had some sh*tty defenses at ku... the difference between his sh*tty defenses and the '07 defense was players such as Aqib Talib and James McClinton.  Next season, with added depth in the secondary and on the d-line, ku's defense will be much improved.  You can take it to the bank.

[sonofdaxjones]

You have to enjoy the simple  nature of the Bentard . . . always taking things so literal. 

What was Mangino going to say?: 

On Bowen:  I made a really $hitty choice on replacing Bill Young.

On losing Bill Young:  We're going to suck big time, Bill Young was everything to this program, in fact  he should be sitting here in my large chair.

[BMWJhawk]

Just give it up, 'Pad.  You are wrong once again.  Time to throw in the power towel. 



 

[BMWJhawk]

Posted by: j@yh@wks

I do not think the B12 was grossly overated.  We have bad D's so of course the teams with better D's are going to hold the B12 teams below their averages. 4-3 in bowls so that's not bad.  OU was an embarrassment though.  I do think the D will be better this year because of better talent and I think the fact the Clint is now a co- again, Mangino noticed the poor coaching and is trying to get it fixed.  I would say ku finishes between 30 and 50 in Overall D next year.  Good enough for at least 2-3 more wins. 

Reasonable enough . . . but the Big 12 North winner has at least 2 losses, and the Big 12 North drought of losing the CCG continues . . . sorry kids.

Wow, you're really going out on a limb there, 'Pad.  One thing's for sure... K-State won't be representing the North in the CCG. 


 

[j@yh@wks]

Then you disagree with Coach Mangino and the rest of the people who know what they're talking about when it comes to the game of football.

Actually this is how much coach Mangino and I agree.  Looks like the rest of us people do know what we're talking about when it comes to the game of football.  http://www.kwch.com/Global/story.asp?S=9651941

 Bill Young had some sh*tty defenses at ku... the difference between his sh*tty defenses and the '07 defense was players such as Aqib Talib and James McClinton.

The 07 D wasn't even as good as the 05 D and there were NO AA's on that D and McClinton was a SO.    

 Next season, with added depth in the secondary and on the d-line, ku's defense will be much improved.  You can take it to the bank.

we have agreed on this a few times now, don't forget to add

and a new D-cordinator, not realy co as he will probably have more say than clint.

[Winters]

Posted by: j@yh@wks

I do not think the B12 was grossly overated.  We have bad D's so of course the teams with better D's are going to hold the B12 teams below their averages. 4-3 in bowls so that's not bad.  OU was an embarrassment though.  I do think the D will be better this year because of better talent and I think the fact the Clint is now a co- again, Mangino noticed the poor coaching and is trying to get it fixed.  I would say ku finishes between 30 and 50 in Overall D next year.  Good enough for at least 2-3 more wins. 

Reasonable enough . . . but the Big 12 North winner has at least 2 losses, and the Big 12 North drought of losing the CCG continues . . . sorry kids.

Wow, you're really going out on a limb there, 'Pad.  One thing's for sure... K-State won't be representing the North in the CCG. 


 

"Win the north" 

[sonofdaxjones]

Why should I throw in the towel for a guy who blames a nearly 90 position drop in defensive rankings on the loss of 2 guys . . . how can anyone with a clue not just sit back and admire and stand in awe of the absolute dumbass logic behind that??

The same guy who thinks that coach talk to the media is reality . . . again, what else was he going to say Bentard??  That's the EXACT same thing every other coach would say about the exact same situation, "we lost a couple of guys who really helped us" . .  . "you know he did some great things, he stuck with it, but we'll be just fine".  

[j@yh@wks]

Posted by: j@yh@wks

I do not think the B12 was grossly overated.  We have bad D's so of course the teams with better D's are going to hold the B12 teams below their averages. 4-3 in bowls so that's not bad.  OU was an embarrassment though.  I do think the D will be better this year because of better talent and I think the fact the Clint is now a co- again, Mangino noticed the poor coaching and is trying to get it fixed.  I would say ku finishes between 30 and 50 in Overall D next year.  Good enough for at least 2-3 more wins.  

Reasonable enough . . . but the Big 12 North winner has at least 2 losses, and the Big 12 North drought of losing the CCG continues . . . sorry kids.

Wow, you're really going out on a limb there, 'Pad.  One thing's for sure... K-State won't be representing the North in the CCG.  


 

"Win the north"  

Nothing wrong with that Goal.  Should be the Main goal of every North school.  No B12C without it.  LFBBGTWACIQ displayed there.

[j@yh@wks]

Why should I throw in the towel for a guy who blames a nearly 90 position drop in defensive rankings on the loss of 2 guys . . . how can anyone with a clue not just sit back and admire and stand in awe of the absolute dumbass logic behind that??

The same guy who thinks that coach talk to the media is reality . . . again, what else was he going to say Bentard??  That's the EXACT same thing every other coach would say about the exact same situation, "we lost a couple of guys who really helped us" . .  . "you know he did some great things, he stuck with it, but we'll be just fine".  

Kinda like how osborne spoke about callahan.  Never called him the biggest douche in the world to the LJS.

[sonofdaxjones]

Why should I throw in the towel for a guy who blames a nearly 90 position drop in defensive rankings on the loss of 2 guys . . . how can anyone with a clue not just sit back and admire and stand in awe of the absolute dumbass logic behind that??

The same guy who thinks that coach talk to the media is reality . . . again, what else was he going to say Bentard??  That's the EXACT same thing every other coach would say about the exact same situation, "we lost a couple of guys who really helped us" . .  . "you know he did some great things, he stuck with it, but we'll be just fine".  

Kinda like how osborne spoke about callahan.  Never called him the biggest douche in the world to the LJS.

Exactly . . . . like OB saying RP was a fine man to media, when everyone NOW knows he was an insecure A-Hole who verbally and mentally abused people and everyone who worked inside Vanier hated the guy.

[BMWJhawk]

Why should I throw in the towel for a guy who blames a nearly 90 position drop in defensive rankings on the loss of 2 guys . . . how can anyone with a clue not just sit back and admire and stand in awe of the absolute dumbass logic behind that??

The same guy who thinks that coach talk to the media is reality . . . again, what else was he going to say Bentard??  That's the EXACT same thing every other coach would say about the exact same situation, "we lost a couple of guys who really helped us" . .  . "you know he did some great things, he stuck with it, but we'll be just fine".  

LOL... the full blown denial just keeps getting worse.  You are truly one of a kind, 'Pad.  Like they say, when the facts don't fit the theory, change the facts.  Mangino didn't have to say anything... he wasn't forced to say that Aqib Talib and James McClinton were the two main reasons for the defensive dropoff in '08.  Also, it's not like those two were just average football players... Talib was a 1st team AA, top 20 NFL Draft pick.  James McClinton was Big 12 Defensive POY.  Like Mangino said, it really helps when you have a guy who can shut down half of the football field, or a guy that can get in and disrupt the o-line right off the snap.  Case in point... Chris Harris was the '07 Big 12 Newcomer of the Year playing opposite of Talib.  In '08, Harris was relegated to backup free safety.  The difference?  Harris didn't benefit from playing opposite of Talib, and was exposed once he had to take on more responsiblity.  Aside from that, I acknowledged that the tougher schedule in '08 was a factor, which you convienently forget to mention.

You can continue the denial all you want, 'Pad.  It just makes you look even more insane than you already are.  I'm sure your cult following is impressed by your tenacity, though.  I'm sure when ku's offense drops off in '10, you'll blame Ed Warriner instead of the loss of Reesing, Meier, etc.



 

[BMWJhawk]

Then you disagree with Coach Mangino and the rest of the people who know what they're talking about when it comes to the game of football.

Actually this is how much coach Mangino and I agree.  Looks like the rest of us people do know what we're talking about when it comes to the game of football.  http://www.kwch.com/Global/story.asp?S=9651941

 Bill Young had some sh*tty defenses at ku... the difference between his sh*tty defenses and the '07 defense was players such as Aqib Talib and James McClinton.

The 07 D wasn't even as good as the 05 D and there were NO AA's on that D and McClinton was a SO.    

 Next season, with added depth in the secondary and on the d-line, ku's defense will be much improved.  You can take it to the bank.

we have agreed on this a few times now, don't forget to add

and a new D-cordinator, not realy co as he will probably have more say than clint.

1.  That article proved absolutely nothing.  Thanks for the waste of time. 

2.  The '05 defense was better against the run, but not as good overall.  Charlton Keith and Charles Gordon were very good players in their own right.  It would have been nice to have either one of them on the team last season.

3.  Clint Bowen was co-defensive coordinator in '07 and called a lot of the plays, especially on 3rd down situations.  You are simply wrong when it comes to your criticism of Bowen. 

[j@yh@wks]

 Mangino didn't have to say anything... he wasn't forced to say that Aqib Talib and James McClinton were the two main reasons for the defensive dropoff in '08.

He was forced to say that.  Mainly because of how obviously poor the D was at the basics, ie: being in position and tackling.  It was either say that or say "Clint just is not doing a good job of coaching the basics."

Obviously losing Talib and McClinton hurt the D but not by 77 spots in overall D.  I could see a drop to the 40's or 50's, but 89?  We only lost 3 guys from the 07 D didn't we?

Here is a newspaper clip from 2007 that makes me feel all warm inside and maybe it will help you out.

COPYRIGHT 2007 The Wichita Eagle

Byline: Rick Plumlee

Aug. 28--LAWRENCE -- Seventeen players on Kansas' two-deep depth chart have never taken a Division I-A snap.

ku will be fine and the D will be improved because of experience, better talent, and better coaching.  

[sonofdaxjones]

Yet the facts say that when ku played a good team that had a prolific "non traditional" offense they absolutely ate ku's lunch . . . 41 of 50 passing (82%) for 368 yards (no INT's, and just 2 sacks on 50 passing attempts), 29 1st downs, 519 yards of total offense and 39 points.  So much for "shut down" corner on that one.  In another thread, I discussed how Talib primarily shined against more traditional style passing attacks . . . against a "non traditional" style like mu . . . Talib and the rest of the ku defense got eaten alive.  

No where am I saying that losing 2 good players doesn't hurt, but that's doesn't account for a drop off of 80 positions on the defensive charts and no amount of Bentard logic is going to change that reality, ku's defensive woes went way beyond losing a couple of guys.

Plus, debating coach speak is absurd . . . Mangino said exactly what any coach is going to say, he's the one that has to defend his hiring decisions, and defend losing a coach of the quality of Bill Young, so he's going to put the best possible spin on it.  

Like cire said, (I can admit early and often when K-State sucks and when K-State screws the pooch) . . . you take homer to a whole new level, hell, you swallow coach speak hook-line-leader and sinker.   Then you get all   because the K-State BBS, and even one of your fellow squawktards disagrees with you.

[BMWJhawk]

Jesus Christ, 'Pad.  For the last time, I acknowledged that the tougher schedule was also a factor.  You just don't like it when reality differs from what you want to believe.  It's quite sad watching you get all  over something so trivial.  If you wanna talk homers, look no further than Terry Pierce.  The man insisted that ku and K-State were equal in talent, despite the 52-21 ass beating.  Now that's homerism.  Aside from that, several other preseason mags include ku in their top 25 and the favorite to win the North.  Lindy's ranks ku's WR group #4 in the country.  They rank ku's QB's #6 in the country.  Yes... I'm a huge homer for thinking that additional talent at d-end and in the secondary will help improve ku's defense.  I'm a huge homer for agreeing with Coach Mangino that Talib and McClinton were the two most important factors to the defense's drop-off in '08. 

The bottom line is that you can't stand the thought of ku football continuing its success at a high level.  You have been in all out PMS mode for the last several years now, 'Pad.  Get a grip, man.  You had to realize that at some point ku would start dominating K-State again, just like we did for the better part of a century.  Your cult following, along with other miscellaneous dumbasses will all agree with you, because they have no other choice... they're not smart enough to think for themselves.  However, 52-21 was a great indication of the direction that both programs are going.  Enjoy fighting for 5th place in the North with Iowa State.


 

[j@yh@wks]

1.  That article proved absolutely nothing.  Thanks for the waste of time. 

Actually it proves that Mangino needed someone to help Clint out because he needed help bad.  Otherwise Clint would be the only DC this year again. 

2.  The '05 defense was better against the run, but not as good overall.  Charlton Keith and Charles Gordon were very good players in their own right.  It would have been nice to have either one of them on the team last season.

The 05 team finished 11th in OVERALL D, the 07 team finished 12th in OVERALL D.  Seems better to me.

3.  Clint Bowen was co-defensive coordinator in '07 and called a lot of the plays, especially on 3rd down situations.  You are simply wrong when it comes to your criticism of Bowen. 

 
Wow, so when clint took over full time they fell all the way from 9th to 70th in 3rd down percentage D.  He sucks more than i thought.  And don't forget that Young had the hammer to overrule Clint on any call he made, and did so in important situations, according to my sources.  I'm not a fan of Clint's if you can't tell and I'm a little irritated that he is the DC after his involvement with the latest rounds of probation. 

"A letter of admonishment has been issued to assistant football coach Clint Bowen for his involvement with the correspondence courses."

[BMWJhawk]

1.  The ku coaching staff was looking for someone to replace Steve Tovar as LB's coach. 

2.  The '07 defense was better when you consider that it had two All-Americans and finished with a 12-1 record. 

3.  So you admit that your dislike for Bowen is personal, and has nothing to do with his coaching ability.  Thanks for completely invalidating yourself.


 

[j@yh@wks]

Jesus Christ, 'Pad.  For the last time, I acknowledged that the tougher schedule was also a factor.  You just don't like it when reality differs from what you want to believe.  It's quite sad watching you get all  over something so trivial.  If you wanna talk homers, look no further than Terry Pierce.  The man insisted that ku and K-State were equal in talent, despite the 52-21 ass beating.  Now that's homerism.  Aside from that, several other preseason mags include ku in their top 25 and the favorite to win the North.  Lindy's ranks ku's WR group #4 in the country.  They rank ku's QB's #6 in the country.  Yes... I'm a huge homer for thinking that additional talent at d-end and in the secondary will help improve ku's defense.  I'm a huge homer for agreeing with Coach Mangino that Talib and McClinton were the two most important factors to the defense's drop-off in '08. 

Everyone knows that.  Where are they putting the D on those lists.  I know stuckey is high on the lists but what about the rest of the side of the ball that wins the close games.  I bet you agreed with Mangino, and obviously never saw a game before 2007, I am sure of it now, when he shut down Sharp in the OU game.  Here is what you are missing, he said that because it ;
1. Provides some "STUD" points to Talib and McClinton for their future after ku
2. You CANNOT complain about the piss poor coaching by a current coach.
  
After Clint leaves and Mangino gets caught saying "I should have made a better decision about the DC job after Young left" what will you say.  Probably quote it and say "See I told you all a long that Young leaving was the biggest factor to the huge drop in D after the 07 season".  Probably put it all out there in 36pt bold font too.  
I love having Mangino as coach but he is not a D coach and neither is Clint.  Mangino agreed and hired a person with proven coaching ability and made him the Co-D.  Mangino kicked Clint in the crotch as nicely as can be done.  I wouldn't mind seeing Clint coaching the reserve DB's as his full time job. I wouldn't be surprised to see Clint leave after 09 for "other personal pursuits".

[sonofdaxjones]

LOL . . . I am not in PMS mode, I do what I do because I know it will have Tardville (particularly you) over here and all  .

But you're a classic tard . . . one minute you're getting all   because we don't kiss ku's a$$ 24/7/365, particularly the fluke 2007 ku teams a$$ . . . yet you pretty much admit when trying to defend your idiot 2008 ku defense logic, that it was the schedule that helped out that 2007 team tremendously.   jayhawks is spot on when he says that the loss of 2 players and the much tougher schedule should have only accounted for ku slipping back into the mid 50's on defense at worst . . . instead of one of the biggest year over year dropoffs I and frankly anyone who pays attention has ever seen.   Which points to much deeper problems.

As I said, I can't even discuss the coach speak deal with you anymore, because you've absolutely drunk all the kool-aid there is to be drunk, how can you discuss that with a dumbass who actually believes that a coaches comments on things of that nature are anything BUT of the most self serving kind??    

And LOL again, because as per usual you always start to backpedal and tell me I am PMS'ing whenever the cold hard reality of the facts finally permeates that thick Australopithecine skull of yours.

Oh, you're problem with Terry Pierce is your problem . . . I don't recall stating anything about agreeing with everything that Terry Pierce says . . . but it is funny seeing you get all  about it .  . . as per usual.