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July 06, 2009, 02:00:28 PM
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Two players don't account for a plummet of nearly 80 positions in defensive rankings, it's not denial, it's cold hard reality.

ku finished the regular season ranked 94th in total defense, and only improved a couple of spots because of the bowl game against a bad Minnesota team . . . that's a plummet of nearly 90 spots from ku's end of regular season rankings from the previous year (and the one really good offense that ku played in 2007 tore ku to shreds). 

You are living in some sort of alternate reality if you want any of us to believe that 2 players made that kind of difference . . . Bowen, until further notice is not a good defensive coordinator.


Like I said... Aqib Talib, James McClinton, and a tougher schedule.  Deal with it.

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Well I do agree with Beemer that ku's 2007 success was all about their soft schedule.  Been saying this for a long time.   Two Cents
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July 06, 2009, 02:04:10 PM
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ku lost 6 solid starters from last year (3 OL, 3 LB), if the BMW equation from 07-08 (12 wins) to 08-09 (8 wins) is 2 wins per really good starter lost (loss of McClinton and Talib) , then ku should lose all 12 games this year.  

July 06, 2009, 02:05:48 PM
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Okay . . . well we're all supposed to believe that Clint "Cheat and get a promotion" Bowen has suddenly become a good defensive coordinator.

Check . . . got it.
 
ku will once again play prolific offenses in ou and Texas, until further notice Tech just reloads on offense, I doubt at the end of the season mu will suck on offense.

McClinton, Talib and Bill Young . . . still not walking through that door.







Bowen's the co-defensive coordinator.  ku brought in Bill Miller (who coached Ray Lewis at Miami) as the LB's coach and co-defensive coordinator.  Miller has also coached under Nick Saban at Michigan State.  Miller was also d-coordinator at Louisville, Oklahoma State, Arizona State, and Florida.



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July 06, 2009, 02:07:08 PM
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OT: Do ku homers drink red Kool-aid or blue Kool-aid, or does the decision just make them  :curse:...or does the fact that you mix both and it makes  :koolaid: just makes them  :angryMJ: ?

July 06, 2009, 02:09:59 PM
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In all fairness to my friends at ku, apparently Phil Steele really missed the boat on their 2007 season that ku fans are so proud of.  That being said, didn't ku fans get their underwear in a bind over him picking them to finish 3rd in the North last year?  And wasn't Steele dead-on in picking the North conference last year?

ku losing Bill Young was HUGE--OSU will really have an improved defense.

Go 'Cats!

July 06, 2009, 02:10:16 PM
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ku lost 6 solid starters from last year (3 OL, 3 LB), if the BMW equation from 07-08 (12 wins) to 08-09 (8 wins) is 2 wins per really good starter lost (loss of McClinton and Talib) , then ku should lose all 12 games this year.  



Aqib Talib was a 1st team All-American for ku and a top 20 NFL Draft pick.  James McClinton was Big 12 DPOY.  Those guys were both way more than "solid."  Aside from that, ku's LB's (specifically Rivera and Mortensen) battled injuries all of last season.  Also, ku lost its three interior o-lineman entering the '07 season and finished 12-1.  

July 06, 2009, 02:10:30 PM
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1.  ku's defense will be much better than Steele thinks.  ku just signed a Juco All-American at LB who had offers to Tennessee and Oklahoma, among others.  Along with that, I've heard that guys like Quinton Woods, Prinz Kande, and Kevin Young have been tearing it up in summer workouts.  D-end was a weakness on the team last season, but the ku coaches have done a great job addressing that position.  ku has a ton of talent at d-tackle with Johnson, Blakesley, Greene, Parish, Stevens, and Dorsey.   

2.  Another area that was a problem for ku's defense last year was the secondary.  ku's going with more of a 4-2-5 defense next year to fight the spread.  Darrell Stuckey's a 1st-team All Big 12 type of player, and then you've got guys like Justin Thornton, Daymond Patterson, Phillip Strozier, Lubbock Smith, etc, who have all been developing nicely.  Thornton will play in the NFL, and Patterson could be the next star cornerback at ku when all is said and done.  He's Charles Gordon with more speed and quickness. 

3.  As far as the schedule goes, the only other decent team in the North plays ku at home (Nebraska).  CU, KSU, ISU, and MU are all going to suck next year.  K-State and Iowa State will both be beyond pathetic.  Mizzou loses their entire team.  Colorado loses their best WR and DT from last year and brings in nothing to replace their crap talent at QB.  Hawkins is gone after next season.  

4.  ku's beatdown of K-State will be even worse than it was last season.  52-21 will look respectable compared to the absolute skull f*cking that ku will unleash on K-State.  Mangino would love nothing more than to make Old Balls regret coming out of retirement, and you can bet that he won't hold back like he did for Prince last season.  ku could have hung up 70+ on K-State last year, but Mangino had too much class to rub it in.  Next year, Old Balls won't be so lucky.  

Hey Loser.......one thing PS didn't factor in are injuries and that Little Midget of a QB  at GayU is due to get blowin up some time this year........he's been lucky...in fact....the whole Damn team has been lucky w/ injuries....better hope your luck doesn't run out........................ :dancin:

July 06, 2009, 02:11:04 PM
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So what . . . Miller was last at Louisville as the DC and was forced to resign, they sucked on defense.  70th in Total Defense, and 88th in scoring defense.

I guess that was better than ku.   :thumbsup:






July 06, 2009, 02:13:51 PM
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LOL @ blaming an entire defense on the coach.  That's our 'Pad.... always seeking invalidation.



PS.  '08 Rushing defense:


#28.  Kansas



















#112.  K-State





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July 06, 2009, 02:18:05 PM
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So the defensive genius of Clint Bowen and Bill Miller combined for an average total defensive rank of 79.5 and a scoring defense rank of 85 . . . no doubt Mike Leach, Bob Stoops and Mack Brown are scared to death looking at that coaching gauntlet.



July 06, 2009, 02:22:41 PM
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So the defensive genius of Clint Bowen and Bill Miller combined for an average total defensive rank of 79.5 and a scoring defense rank of 85 . . . no doubt Mike Leach, Bob Stoops and Mack Brown are scared to death looking at that coaching gauntlet.







Yes... those defenses had absolutely nothing to do with the players out on the field and everything to do with the coaches on the sidelines.  You're a special kind of moron, 'Pad, but you're our special moron.



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July 06, 2009, 02:22:56 PM
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July 06, 2009, 02:27:06 PM
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 I looked at Bowen trying to run their defense last year and he looked every bit as lost as Tim Tibesar at times.


agree with you here dax.  The D looked very poorly coached at times.  I hope the new guy brings some of that intensity that the 07 D had.
According to ku police reports, the fight involved as many as 100 people.
“We’re pretty sure an incident occurred,” said Capt. Schuyler Bailey, ku Public Safety Officer
“We will handle any discipline regarding this incident internally, and we will have no further comment about it.” Perkins

July 06, 2009, 02:28:27 PM
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So the defensive genius of Clint Bowen and Bill Miller combined for an average total defensive rank of 79.5 and a scoring defense rank of 85 . . . no doubt Mike Leach, Bob Stoops and Mack Brown are scared to death looking at that coaching gauntlet.







Yes... those defenses had absolutely nothing to do with the players out on the field and everything to do with the coaches on the sidelines.  You're a special kind of moron, 'Pad, but you're our special moron.



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No a special kind of dumbass tries to tell everyone that losing 2 players (in large part) causes a defense to plummet an average of 80 positions in the scoring and total defense, then tries to tell us a failed defensive coordinator from his previous job is going to make a huge difference in a defense that is going to rely on basically the same people (that plummeted 80 positions in the scoring and total defense ranks in the span of ONE Season) plus a transfer and thus propel that defense back to the sterling heights of years gone by.

It takes a special kind of dumbass to try and sell that . . . and sadly for that special kind of dumbass, the K-State BBS isn't buying it, and thus that special kind of dumbass is getting all  :mad: :mad: :mad:

  

July 06, 2009, 02:28:39 PM
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ku lost 6 solid starters from last year (3 OL, 3 LB), if the BMW equation from 07-08 (12 wins) to 08-09 (8 wins) is 2 wins per really good starter lost (loss of McClinton and Talib) , then ku should lose all 12 games this year.  



Aqib Talib was a 1st team All-American for ku and a top 20 NFL Draft pick.  James McClinton was Big 12 DPOY.  Those guys were both way more than "solid."  Aside from that, ku's LB's (specifically Rivera and Mortensen) battled injuries all of last season.  Also, ku lost its three interior o-lineman entering the '07 season and finished 12-1.  

Who will be the All American and Big 12 DPOY this year for ku and did you have the same schedule in 07 as you did last year and will have this year?  Also, in your equation, how do you account for injuries?  Do you multiply the losses by .5?  

July 06, 2009, 02:29:09 PM
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So the defensive genius of Clint Bowen and Bill Miller combined for an average total defensive rank of 79.5 and a scoring defense rank of 85 . . . no doubt Mike Leach, Bob Stoops and Mack Brown are scared to death looking at that coaching gauntlet.







Yes... those defenses had absolutely nothing to do with the players out on the field and everything to do with the coaches on the sidelines.  You're a special kind of moron, 'Pad, but you're our special moron.



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Stop, this is one of the hardest ownings I have seen.  Seriously, you are back pedaling hard...
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July 06, 2009, 02:32:48 PM
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Highest total defense ranking in the Big 12 last year.... Texas at #51.  But, but, but.... it has nothing to do with the fact that the Big 12 has a ton of talented offenses.


Let's see how the rest of the Big 12 stacked up:


55.  Nebraska
68.  Oklahoma
78.  Colorado
79.  Texas Tech
85.  Baylor
89.  Kansas
93.  Oklahoma St.
98.  Mizzou
112.  Iowa St.
114.  Texas A&M
117.  K-State



**Louisville's ranking of 70 would have been good for 4th-best in the Big 12 last season.  Oh, and that first year d-coordinator, Clint Bowen, was so awful that his defense finished higher than five other Big 12 programs.  Looks like the 'Pad will have to dig a little deeper for his invalidation.




July 06, 2009, 02:34:50 PM
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 Bill Young leaving was pretty much irrelevant.  

come on BMdubb, you really do not believe this do you?  I blame this on 85% of the D problems.  They played out of position, tackled poorly and had ZERO intensity when hitting.  Go to youtube and look at the hits from 2007 and 2008, most of those hits from 2007 were from guys on the 08 team.  They just seemed to have no fire, I thought this as early as game 2.
According to ku police reports, the fight involved as many as 100 people.
“We’re pretty sure an incident occurred,” said Capt. Schuyler Bailey, ku Public Safety Officer
“We will handle any discipline regarding this incident internally, and we will have no further comment about it.” Perkins

July 06, 2009, 02:35:56 PM
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OT: Do ku homers drink red Kool-aid or blue Kool-aid, or does the decision just make them  :curse:...or does the fact that you mix both and it makes  :koolaid: just makes them  :angryMJ: ?
We drink that blue koolaid that tastes like cherry's.
According to ku police reports, the fight involved as many as 100 people.
“We’re pretty sure an incident occurred,” said Capt. Schuyler Bailey, ku Public Safety Officer
“We will handle any discipline regarding this incident internally, and we will have no further comment about it.” Perkins

July 06, 2009, 02:37:08 PM
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Hey Loser.......one thing PS didn't factor in are injuries and that Little Midget of a QB  at GayU is due to get blowin up some time this year........he's been lucky...in fact....the whole Damn team has been lucky w/ injuries....better hope your luck doesn't run out........................ :dancin:
apparently you didn't watch many ku games last year.
According to ku police reports, the fight involved as many as 100 people.
“We’re pretty sure an incident occurred,” said Capt. Schuyler Bailey, ku Public Safety Officer
“We will handle any discipline regarding this incident internally, and we will have no further comment about it.” Perkins

July 06, 2009, 02:38:36 PM
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Who will be the All American and Big 12 DPOY this year for ku and did you have the same schedule in 07 as you did last year and will have this year?  Also, in your equation, how do you account for injuries?  Do you multiply the losses by .5?  

Stuckey.
According to ku police reports, the fight involved as many as 100 people.
“We’re pretty sure an incident occurred,” said Capt. Schuyler Bailey, ku Public Safety Officer
“We will handle any discipline regarding this incident internally, and we will have no further comment about it.” Perkins

July 06, 2009, 02:39:48 PM
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Or it may have to do with the fact that the Big 12 just didn't play very good defense.   ou lost their bowl game again, Texas barely survived their bowl game against a hardly prolific Ohio State offense, Tech gave up 47 points to Mississippi,  Oregon put up 42 against Okie Lite, MU didn't exactly shut down Northwestern . . . I am sensing a trend here Bentard, you see any trends there??


July 06, 2009, 02:40:36 PM
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Or it may have to do with the fact that the Big 12 just didn't play very good defense.   ou lost their bowl game again, Texas barely survived their bowl game against a hardly prolific Ohio State offense, Tech gave up 47 points to Mississippi,  Oregon put up 42 against Okie Lite, MU didn't exactly shut down Northwestern . . . I am sensing a trend here Bentard, you see any trends there??

LOL, but to hear the nubs say it they will finish with a top 5 D in the Nation this year.
According to ku police reports, the fight involved as many as 100 people.
“We’re pretty sure an incident occurred,” said Capt. Schuyler Bailey, ku Public Safety Officer
“We will handle any discipline regarding this incident internally, and we will have no further comment about it.” Perkins

July 06, 2009, 02:41:16 PM
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Who will be the All American and Big 12 DPOY this year for ku and did you have the same schedule in 07 as you did last year and will have this year?  Also, in your equation, how do you account for injuries?  Do you multiply the losses by .5?  

Stuckey.

Is Stuckey the All American or the DPOY?  Regardless, you need another player.  If he's both I think that only lessens the loss total by 2 (I think, IDK, you'll have to ask Beems).

July 06, 2009, 02:42:15 PM
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So the defensive genius of Clint Bowen and Bill Miller combined for an average total defensive rank of 79.5 and a scoring defense rank of 85 . . . no doubt Mike Leach, Bob Stoops and Mack Brown are scared to death looking at that coaching gauntlet.







Yes... those defenses had absolutely nothing to do with the players out on the field and everything to do with the coaches on the sidelines.  You're a special kind of moron, 'Pad, but you're our special moron.



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No a special kind of dumbass tries to tell everyone that losing 2 players (in large part) causes a defense to plummet an average of 80 positions in the scoring and total defense, then tries to tell us a failed defensive coordinator from his previous job is going to make a huge difference in a defense that is going to rely on basically the same people (that plummeted 80 positions in the scoring and total defense ranks in the span of ONE Season) plus a transfer and thus propel that defense back to the sterling heights of years gone by.

It takes a special kind of dumbass to try and sell that . . . and sadly for that special kind of dumbass, the K-State BBS isn't buying it, and thus that special kind of dumbass is getting all  :mad: :mad: :mad:

  




Oh, it's quite obvious who's getting   :curse: , and it's not me.  I've acknowledged that the tougher schedule, along with the fact that the Big 12 has a ton of talented offenses, was a big factor in ku's dropoff defensively in '08.  Mangino agrees with me when it comes to Talib and McClinton, though:


Mangino: Loss of Talib is No. 1 problem





Since it became apparent that this year’s version of the Kansas University football defense would be significantly less stout than it was a season ago, debates about who has been the most sorely missed member of last year’s unit — defensive coordinator Bill Young? Cornerback Aqib Talib? Defensive tackle James McClinton? — have been numerous.

Earlier this week, however, the man best suited to answer that question decided to offer his opinion on the matter.

“The biggest issue for us is that we were able to have a corner last year that we could put on an island and therefore help the other corner, which solidified our pass defense,” said Kansas coach Mark Mangino of former All-American Talib, who was taken 20th overall by the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in last spring’s NFL Draft. “And we’re not able to do that this year. And that’s the No. 1 problem.”

The shortcomings of a Kansas defense that returned nine starters this fall have been well documented — the Jayhawks are ranked 90th in total defense and 86th in scoring defense after finishing 12th and fourth, respectively, in those categories in 2007 — but on Monday, Mangino delved into specifics of what the team is lacking this year in comparison to last.

In addition to the loss of Talib, the coach pointed to a lack of an effective pass rush, which was aided last year by the presence of McClinton, another All-American.

“We’re not as disruptive on the defensive line as we were a year ago,” he said. “And that’s probably the next biggest issue that we face.”

The departure of Young, who took the same position with the University of Miami following the ’07 season and currently has the Hurricanes in the top 10 nationally in total defense, was also broached.

While Mangino praised the work of Young during his six years in Lawrence, he put little stock in the idea that the loss of Young — or the subsequent promotion of Clint Bowen to defensive coordinator — has been a substantial hindrance to the Jayhawks this season.

“I don’t think that that’s the key reason,” Mangino said. “Bill did a great job for us. There were times, don’t forget, where we struggled early on on defense, and Bill stayed with it and got it right. Sure, Bill’s a veteran coach, but I don’t see that as a major issue.”




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July 06, 2009, 02:44:20 PM
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Who will be the All American and Big 12 DPOY this year for ku and did you have the same schedule in 07 as you did last year and will have this year?  Also, in your equation, how do you account for injuries?  Do you multiply the losses by .5?  

Stuckey.

Is Stuckey the All American or the DPOY?  Regardless, you need another player.  If he's both I think that only lessens the loss total by 2 (I think, IDK, you'll have to ask Beems).
Sorry, figured he would be both.
According to ku police reports, the fight involved as many as 100 people.
“We’re pretty sure an incident occurred,” said Capt. Schuyler Bailey, ku Public Safety Officer
“We will handle any discipline regarding this incident internally, and we will have no further comment about it.” Perkins

July 06, 2009, 02:45:12 PM
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"I don’t think that that’s the key reason,” Mangino said. “Bill did a great job for us. There were times, don’t forget, where we struggled early on on defense, and Bill stayed with it and got it right. Sure, Bill’s a veteran coach, but I don’t see that as a major issue.”




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We also had a DL that could get to the QB.  Also making it easier on the LB's and DB's.
Also look at how many games the D won for us in 07.  How many did they win for us in 08?  Hell they couldn't even stop moo with 30 seconds left, thank goodness for that blocked FG or this would have been a miserable off season.
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According to ku police reports, the fight involved as many as 100 people.
“We’re pretty sure an incident occurred,” said Capt. Schuyler Bailey, ku Public Safety Officer
“We will handle any discipline regarding this incident internally, and we will have no further comment about it.” Perkins

July 06, 2009, 02:49:01 PM
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jayhawks...


In addition to the loss of Talib, the coach pointed to a lack of an effective pass rush, which was aided last year by the presence of McClinton, another All-American.



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July 06, 2009, 02:53:29 PM
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jayhawks...


In addition to the loss of Talib, the coach pointed to a lack of an effective pass rush, which was aided last year by the presence of McClinton, another All-American.



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That's fine,exactly what i've been saying, but i'm also saying that losing Bill was bigger than losing McClinton and Talib.  And it showed on the field last year.  The D wasn't horrible, but it was not very good either and it was the small things, ie. being out of position and poor tackling that shows a lack of coaching.  Hell the chiefs tackled better last year.  Don't flame on me with your big @ss bold words, i usually defend you, but here you are not making much sense to anyone that watched football prior to 2007. 
According to ku police reports, the fight involved as many as 100 people.
“We’re pretty sure an incident occurred,” said Capt. Schuyler Bailey, ku Public Safety Officer
“We will handle any discipline regarding this incident internally, and we will have no further comment about it.” Perkins

July 06, 2009, 02:54:18 PM
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