Martin is Prince

[catzacker]

If all you need is talent, than there should be at least 5-7 National Championship banners hanging in Hofheinz Pavilion at the University of Houston, and Lou Henson should've hung at least 2 or 3 in Assembly Hall.

Wooden had awesome players, a corrupt "friend of the program"  . . . but he also had a great system, and built teams that had great chemistry.  He last national title team was pretty good, but not really all that talented compared to some of the other ones he had.

no ones saying it's ALL you have to have, but some would help.  This team doesn't have anyone at an All Big 12 level.  Not one.  And probably no one at a 2nd team All Big 12 either.  Maybe when they're seniors they'll develop into that, but who knows. 

Okay, well if that's what you need to tell yourself. 

So let me get this straight . . . as of right now we don't have any all Big 12 players (in a league with lots of talent) so that translates into looking like a bunch of asshats, committing 21 turnovers, and losing by 20 at Nebraska.

Got ya.

If NU ends up going to the Tourney, then we should fire Frank.  Otherwise, let's all do some meth and relax.  I'm not saying that Frank doesn't have obvious flaws, I'm just saying that the focus should be on recruiting.....be pissed that Self landed Little instead of Frank....be pissed that Frank gave a f'ing scholarship to a kid that couldn't make it through a quarter of a basketball season...be pissed that the other JUCO recruit that Frank brought in this year sucks.....don't get pissed about losing @ NU.  Huggins did it too with a far better, more experienced team.  I thought we should win, but I'm not pissed that we didn't, or rather I'm not pissed because the team turned it over 21 times, I'm pissed about the players we currently have sucking. 

[PCR]

Unless your name is Bob Huggins, Bob Knight, Roy Williams or Mike K, then no coaching doesn't make a big difference.  All the other coaches are basically the same +/- a few wins a year.  The difference is the players.  ku goes back to the tourney 30 years straight because of the name on the front of the jersey.  And news flash this years team is full of terrible/underdeveloped players.  

[yoga-lika_abana]

That's clearly the place for you chief.

yes, because I'm not bitching and don't think the world is coming to an end.

[sonofdaxjones]

That's clearly the place for you chief.

yes, because I'm not bitching and don't think the world is coming to an end.

Pure Powertard.

[yoga-lika_abana]

That's clearly the place for you chief.

yes, because I'm not bitching and don't think the world is coming to an end.

Pure Powertard.

oh dax, I love you too.

[Panjandrum]

At this time, the recruiting appears to be the only difference.  

That is the difference between the very best coach in any major sport and the very worst coach in any major sport.  But, yeah, prolly the only difference.

So you are saying the ony difference between Coach K at Duke and the coach at Chicago St is the recruits?  Not sure how that works out...

The reason Billy Donovan totally backed out on his deal with the Magic to come back to Florida basically starts and ends with the thought of, "Holy frack; I may actually have to coach now."

It's not hard to win back to back titles with three lottery picks in your starting lineup.

explain Florida not making the Tourney (after winning back2back titles) without using the word recruiting or recruits.  TIA.

[jthutch]

I would have to agree the coaching sucks this year.  Or, the players just don't get it.  I haven't decided which it is.  But I would have to assume that 21 turnovers would be a split down the middle from not being prepaired (coaches fault) to just haveing sucktastic players (players fault) I've posted this before this team is in need of a player who can dribble with out losing the ball off of his foot or another players foot.  He needs to sit down in the off season and rethink his X's and O's.

[michigancat]

My only beef w/ Martin is it doesn't seem like they're playing hard.

Nothing else this season has been unexpected.

[Bullfn33]

My only beef w/ Martin is it doesn't seem like they're playing hard.

Nothing else this season has been unexpected.

Don't you think Frank is coaching them as hard as he can? 

That's the problem, imo. He's coaching too hard. Coaches who coach too much can get in the way and hold players back. For example, taking a good player out of the game on his first frack up is a great way to hold a player back and get him scared to do anything the next time he goes in. If he has athletic ability, the only way to get him to be a seasoned Big 12 player and over excessive mistakes is to give him experience to grow his confidence in what he's doing and perhaps actually enjoy playing. What kind of confidence do you think he is building in his players by yanking them after every mistake? That creates a never ending cycle of mistakes and tentative play when they do go in. When you're trying to correct simple turnovers and bad decisions, experience and confidence is everything. He just needs to let his "players" play. He needs to start his best athletes and let them work through it themselves instead of this carousel of substitutes with crappier players, which kills the fluidity of the offense. Building depth is overrated in basketball.

[MOKSUAZ]

My only beef w/ Martin is it doesn't seem like they're playing hard.

Nothing else this season has been unexpected.

Don't you think Frank is coaching them as hard as he can? 

That's the problem, imo. He's coaching too hard. Coaches who coach too much can get in the way and hold players back. For example, taking a good player out of the game on his first frack up is a great way to hold a player back and get him scared to do anything the next time he goes in. If he has athletic ability, the only way to get him to be a seasoned Big 12 player and over excessive mistakes is to give him experience to grow his confidence in what he's doing and perhaps actually enjoy playing. What kind of confidence do you think he is building in his players by yanking them after every mistake? That creates a never ending cycle of mistakes and tentative play when they do go in. When you're trying to correct simple turnovers and bad decisions, experience and confidence is everything. He just needs to let his "players" play. He needs to start his best athletes and let them work through it themselves instead of this carousel of substitutes with crappier players, which kills the fluidity of the offense. Building depth is overrated in basketball.

you have summed up my one collective beef with Martin to a T 

[The Nasti]

Can't coach, bad staff, can't recruit (without Hill), plays favorites, stubborn, poor judge of talent, doesn't fit K-State.   Oh for the days of Wooley

You people...

[BMWJhawk]

So the coaching makes no difference at all??  How did Bobby Knight go to Texas Tech and turn that program around instantly and start making tournament appearances..it wasn't because he had the best recruits.

Martin made the NCAA second round his first season taking over the reigns of a team that hadn't even been to the NCAAs in for f^cking ever.  By your flawed logic that was a god damned coaching miracle. 

If you don't think coaching makes any sort of difference, you don't know sh*t about basketball.  Martin inherited Michael F'ing Beasley and Bill Walker... that's the reason you guys barely snuck into the NCAA tourney last season.

[steve dave]

So the coaching makes no difference at all??  How did Bobby Knight go to Texas Tech and turn that program around instantly and start making tournament appearances..it wasn't because he had the best recruits.

Martin made the NCAA second round his first season taking over the reigns of a team that hadn't even been to the NCAAs in for f^cking ever.  By your flawed logic that was a god damned coaching miracle. 

If you don't think coaching makes any sort of difference, you don't know sh*t about basketball.  Martin inherited Michael F'ing Beasley and Bill Walker... that's the reason you guys barely snuck into the NCAA tourney last season.

You completely missed the reason for my post.  Completely.  Rare for BMW to make such an oversight.

[michigancat]

So the coaching makes no difference at all??  How did Bobby Knight go to Texas Tech and turn that program around instantly and start making tournament appearances..it wasn't because he had the best recruits.

Martin made the NCAA second round his first season taking over the reigns of a team that hadn't even been to the NCAAs in for f^cking ever.  By your flawed logic that was a god damned coaching miracle. 

If you don't think coaching makes any sort of difference, you don't know sh*t about basketball.  Martin inherited Michael F'ing Beasley and Bill Walker... that's the reason you guys barely snuck into the NCAA tourney last season.

You completely missed the reason for my post.  Completely.  Rare for BMW to make such an oversight.

In a way only someone w/ intelligence (michigancat, stevedave, etc.) can recognize, he actually agreed with you. 

[catsdo]

I agree that coaching has been a problem, but I think our young team is a huge part of it too.  Melting down, calling people "martinites," and posting "powertard approved" after every post that doesn't agree with you is just retarded though.

[sonofdaxjones]

I agree that coaching has been a problem, but I think our young team is a huge part of it too.  Melting down, calling people "martinites," and posting "powertard approved" after every post that doesn't agree with you is just retarded though.

No different than the people who get all defensive if anyone thinks that Frank is doing a $hitty job coaching.  Frank himself admitted after the game he did a $hit job of coaching the team.