Martin is Prince

[featurethefullback]

Can't coach, bad staff, can't recruit (without Hill), plays favorites, stubborn, poor judge of talent, doesn't fit K-State.   Oh for the days of Wooley

[fatty fat fat]

Martin can coach very well in my opinion. again, you people just expect too much and it's beyond hilarious

you should have melted down here

http://www.ksufans.com/forums/index.php?topic=26006.msg335340#msg335340

[steve dave]

Martin can coach very well in my opinion. again, you people just expect too much and it's beyond hilarious

you should have melted down here

http://www.ksufans.com/forums/index.php?topic=26006.msg335340#msg335340

+1 imo

[cireksu]

Can't coach, bad staff, can't recruit (without Hill), plays favorites, stubborn, poor judge of talent, doesn't fit K-State.   Oh for the days of Wooley

featurethefullback is powertard

[TAFNA Dude]

prince could never dream of recruiting as well as frank & co. do.

-dude

[steve dave]

Do f^cking retards (most of our fanbase) know what Ron Prince would have done with Elite talent? 

[wildcats92]

At this time, the recruiting appears to be the only difference.   But then again, Ron did recruit Raheem to coach for him and he seems to be doing pretty good right now.  

[catzacker]

Martin can coach very well in my opinion. again, you people just expect too much and it's beyond hilarious

you should have melted down here

http://www.ksufans.com/forums/index.php?topic=26006.msg335340#msg335340

I did.

I didn't expect a great class, especially after missing out on the HS kids, but this JUCO class really isn't even good.  It's well below average.  I wanted a "bridge" class to get us to '09, but this is more like that bridge that collapsed in Minnesota.  I guess I just expected Figgers and Underwood to do more/help more with this class, given their alleged JUCO connections. 

[steve dave]

At this time, the recruiting appears to be the only difference.  

That is the difference between the very best coach in any major sport and the very worst coach in any major sport.  But, yeah, prolly the only difference.

[wildcats92]

At this time, the recruiting appears to be the only difference.  

That is the difference between the very best coach in any major sport and the very worst coach in any major sport.  But, yeah, prolly the only difference.

So you are saying the ony difference between Coach K at Duke and the coach at Chicago St is the recruits?  Not sure how that works out...

[catzacker]

At this time, the recruiting appears to be the only difference.  

That is the difference between the very best coach in any major sport and the very worst coach in any major sport.  But, yeah, prolly the only difference.

So you are saying the ony difference between Coach K at Duke and the coach at Chicago St is the recruits?  Not sure how that works out...

explain Florida not making the Tourney (after winning back2back titles) without using the word recruiting or recruits.  TIA.

[steve dave]

At this time, the recruiting appears to be the only difference.  

That is the difference between the very best coach in any major sport and the very worst coach in any major sport.  But, yeah, prolly the only difference.

So you are saying the ony difference between Coach K at Duke and the coach at Chicago St is the recruits?  Not sure how that works out...

explain Florida not making the Tourney for two years in a row (after winning back2back titles) without using the word recruiting or recruits.  TIA.

Fantastic post

[wildcats92]

So if Coach K was in Lincoln today coaching the Cats, how would it have played out???

[steve dave]

So if Coach K was in Lincoln today coaching the Cats, how would it have played out???

Wildcat Loss 

[wildcats92]

So if Coach K was in Lincoln today coaching the Cats, how would it have played out???

Wildcat Loss 

[TAFNA Dude]

So if Coach K was in Lincoln today coaching the Cats, how would it have played out???

Wildcat Loss 

[sonofdaxjones]

Martinites . . . UNITE!!

[catzacker]

So if Coach K was in Lincoln today coaching the Cats, how would it have played out???

Wildcat Loss 

you're right, it is BS, Coack K and KSU win because Coach K would have ran out Singler instead of Samuels, Scheyer instead of Clemente, Henderson instead of Sutton, Smith instead of Pullen, and Zoubek instead of Colon.

...ya know, better f'ing recruits/players.

[sonofdaxjones]

But the funniest part is that the Martinites have now got KSU hoops dumbed down to KSU maybe finishing in the upper  half of the Big 12 and maybe making the NCAA no earlier than 2010-2011 and really more like 2011-2012. 

[steve dave]

But the funniest part is that the Martinites have now got KSU hoops dumbed down to KSU maybe finishing in the upper  half of the Big 12 and maybe making the NCAA no earlier than 2010-2011 and really more like 2011-2012. 

Who said that?

[TAFNA Dude]

So if Coach K was in Lincoln today coaching the Cats, how would it have played out???

Wildcat Loss 

you're right, it is BS, Coack K and KSU win because Coach K would have ran out Singler instead of Samuels, Scheyer instead of Clemente, Henderson instead of Sutton, Smith instead of Pullen, and Zoubek instead of Colon.

...ya know, better f'ing recruits/players.

maybe k is on to something with this snowcoat thing?

[sonofdaxjones]

Seems to be the general lean of Chekksucat's aka Fatty's posts.

[wildcats92]

So the coaching makes no difference at all??  How did Bobby Knight go to Texas Tech and turn that program around instantly and start making tournament appearances..it wasn't because he had the best recruits.  

[Chingon]

Martinites . . . UNITE!!

OK completely serious here. if the people NOT melting down tonight are Martinites, what are you?  Are you officially done with Martin?  If not, then what should be done?  I don't see how you have a position that is any more clear-headed than anyone else around here. Who or what are you valiantly raging against?  

[steve dave]

So the coaching makes no difference at all??  How did Bobby Knight go to Texas Tech and turn that program around instantly and start making tournament appearances..it wasn't because he had the best recruits.

Martin made the NCAA second round his first season taking over the reigns of a team that hadn't even been to the NCAAs in for f^cking ever.  By your flawed logic that was a god damned coaching miracle. 

[sonofdaxjones]

Martinites . . . UNITE!!

OK completely serious here. if the people NOT melting down tonight are Martinites, what are you?  Are you officially done with Martin?  If not, then what should be done?  I don't see how you have a position that is any more clear-headed than anyone else around here. Who or what are you valiantly raging against?  

Chin . . . yet another resident drama queen.

I just LOL at how some on here defend a very poor series of coaching efforts.  K-State does not have a great team, but there is more to work with there than what is being shown on the floor . . . an no amount of flailing around about how KSU didn't recruit well during a couple of periods in recent years, and how Beas and Walker aren't still around anymore, or trying to say I want the Triangle offense back is going to change that reality.  As of right now, this is not a well coached team . . . period.  

[Oklahoma_Cat]

LOL @ dax calling someone else a drama queen, when he's the only one even remotely melting down over this game. 

(his response to this will include something about Obama)

[sonofdaxjones]

Seems to be the general lean of Chekksucat's aka Fatty's posts.

Martin made the NCAA second round his first season taking over the reigns of a team that hadn't even been to the NCAAs in for f^cking ever.  By your flawed logic that was a god damned coaching miracle. 

I guess you will come absolutely unglued when I laugh a little at getting run out of the gym in the 2nd round of the NCAA tourney with a team with Bill Walker and Mike Beasley on it.

Your problem is that I've actually seen teams at K-State with good basketball players, but much less talent actually make it to the Sweet 16 and the Elite 8, and don't give me any crap about how the game has changed, because that wasn't that long ago, and the game hasn't changed that much.

OC . . . Christ you embellish everything.  Melting down is calling for Martin to be fired, or if you want to see a real meltdown, read some of BMW's posts, or Shuttleworth's after a Ron Prince coached football game.  I've seen meltdowns, and I am not melting down.  Geezus . . .   

[wildcats92]

You are right Dax...this is not a very well coached team right now and You do have every right to melt down if you want after the pathetic showing in Lincoln today...can't wait to see what happens against Baylor

[catzacker]

Martinites . . . UNITE!!

OK completely serious here. if the people NOT melting down tonight are Martinites, what are you?  Are you officially done with Martin?  If not, then what should be done?  I don't see how you have a position that is any more clear-headed than anyone else around here. Who or what are you valiantly raging against?  

Chin . . . yet another resident drama queen.

I just LOL at how some on here defend a very poor series of coaching efforts.  K-State does not have a great team, but there is more to work with there than what is being shown on the floor . . . an no amount of flailing around about how KSU didn't recruit well during a couple of periods in recent years, and how Beas and Walker aren't still around anymore, or trying to say I want the Triangle offense back is going to change that reality.  As of right now, this is not a well coached team . . . period.  

Was the Jack Hartman teams from basically 82/83 season through the 85/86 seasons poorly coached?  I mean, the dude was the greatest KSU basketball coach ever yet didn't make the NCAA and finished no higher than 5th out of 8 f'ing teams during that stretch.  Or was it because Ro wasn't there?  or Mike Evans, Curtis Redding, Lon Kruger, Chuckie Williams?