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Team Needs: A bat and middle infielder

Names being thrown around: Rafael Furcal of the Dodgers and formally of the Atlanta Braves when GMDM was there and Raul Ibañez (former Royal)

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July 18, 2008, 09:49:08 AM
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Possible Trade Bait:

David DeJesus

Except for his disappointing 2007 season, DeJesus has been a remarkably consistent big-league player. There are only two differences between his borderline All-Star performance this season and his 2004 to 2006 seasons. First, he’s hitting more home runs. Second, he’s hitting an incredible .460 with runners in scoring position.

Is this the best season DeJesus is ever going to have? That’s the core question about DeJesus. He’s going to be a big-league ballplayer for a long time to come, but his value is never going to be higher than it is right now. At the same time, the fundamental paradox about DeJesus still exists. He’s not the dynamic defensive center fielder the Royals need at Kauffman Stadium, and he’s not the kind of power bat a contending team needs at a corner outfield position.

Moving DeJesus, packaged with a pitcher (or two), is the Royals’ best chance at bringing in an impact young talent.

Mark Grudzielanek

Grudzielanek is still an ever-so-slightly-above-average offensive performer for his position. His performance has remained steady well past the age when most middle infielders falter. But at 38, Grudzielanek is about as out of place on a noncontending team as Johnny Rotten at a quilting bee.

What market is there for Grudzielanek, who is in the final season of his contract? Probably not much. Among contenders, the Yankees have gotten a dismal season from Robinson Cano but certainly aren’t likely to give up on him. The Brewers may be ready to upgrade from the disappointing Rickie Weeks.

Nevertheless, anything you can get for Grudzielanek would be better than what you’ll have after his contract expires: nothing.

Gil Meche

I get the feeling that the Royals are invested in Meche and not just in terms of dollars. His contract, which seemed outlandish when it was signed, doesn’t seem too bad considering the current going rate for starting pitchers. Meche is a solid league-average or above pitcher but is not an ace. As such, if you could move him in a DeJesus package for a true impact prospect, you’d have to do it. Besides the talent influx, you’d be freeing up a lot of dollars to boot.

Ron Mahay

Mahay’s been terrific, no doubt about that. Middle relievers are the most fungible of assets and, generally speaking, you can get more for them from a desperate contender at the in-season deadline than you can over the winter. He’s another asset that could be part of an attractive trade package.

Zack Greinke

What?! Nooo … we don’t want to really trade Greinke, do we? Certainly not — he’s emerged as one of the league’s best starters, and his prime seasons are still ahead of him. Here’s the question that only Moore can answer: Is there any hope of locking Greinke into a long-term contract? If the answer is a clear and emphatic no, then the time to start offering him is now. You don’t have to do it now, but it pays to be proactive in these matters.
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DeJesus is an untouchable in my book.  The guy is unreal.  If KC had a decent leadoff hitter, I'd be all for making DDJ the number 3 hitter with Gordon sucking ass.

At some point, a team that wants to be good has to quit trading good talent for possible prospects and keep the good ones on the current roster.

Mahay is cheap and signed for a few years.  I don't think it is likely he will be traded unless a great offer comes in.

Grudz may be 50/50.  Teams may shy away due to his back problems. 

Gload may be a potential for a solid backup, but unless KC gets a 1b that can play (since Shealy sucks), then it may not happen.

I'd be all for trading Guillen.

July 19, 2008, 04:59:38 PM
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Team Needs: A bat and middle infielder

Names being thrown around: Rafael Furcal of the Dodgers and formally of the Atlanta Braves when GMDM was there and Raul Ibañez (former Royal)

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furcal would be an awesome get for the royals, especially if he gets healthy. Ibanez would also be another great bat if we didnt have to give up much for him since he is @ the end of his career. they need to add another decent starter also if they want to contend.
I cant believe they would be buyers this year though what are they 13 games out of first or so.
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July 21, 2008, 07:43:39 PM
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i will rip someones head off if they trade dejesus. the guy is freaking money.

July 21, 2008, 10:01:13 PM
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keep dejesus, find someone dumb enough to take guillen.  i want to like guillen but god only knows when his shelf life expires.

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i will rip someones head off if they trade dejesus. the guy is freaking money.

I'm guessing you said the same thing about Sweeney.





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July 22, 2008, 02:14:16 PM
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Do you guys listen to yourselves?

The Royals should be stockpiling draft picks and attempting to re-sign every player with the slightest potential before he realizes he is too good for this crap franchise and hits the open market (whereupon the Royals with their obscenely rich owner will whine about being too poor to re-sign them, spend $5 million on some crap off-season "veteran" who will "turn things around" and will be a piece of crap/not nearly enough just like Santiago, Limatime v1, v2, the fmr Cardinals, Guillen, ad nauseum).

The problem is the Royals home-grown has been pretty terrible thus far (Butler, Gordon) outside of Greinke who was a complete disaster until some signs of life this year.
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July 22, 2008, 02:24:10 PM
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Do you guys listen to yourselves?

The Royals should be stockpiling draft picks and attempting to re-sign every player with the slightest potential before he realizes he is too good for this crap franchise and hits the open market (whereupon the Royals with their obscenely rich owner will whine about being too poor to re-sign them, spend $5 million on some crap off-season "veteran" who will "turn things around" and will be a piece of crap/not nearly enough just like Santiago, Limatime v1, v2, the fmr Cardinals, Guillen, ad nauseum).

The problem is the Royals home-grown has been pretty terrible thus far (Butler, Gordon) outside of Greinke who was a complete disaster until some signs of life this year.

where do we get off not drafting pujols or matt holiday?

July 22, 2008, 02:57:36 PM
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Do you guys listen to yourselves?

The Royals should be stockpiling draft picks and attempting to re-sign every player with the slightest potential before he realizes he is too good for this crap franchise and hits the open market (whereupon the Royals with their obscenely rich owner will whine about being too poor to re-sign them, spend $5 million on some crap off-season "veteran" who will "turn things around" and will be a piece of crap/not nearly enough just like Santiago, Limatime v1, v2, the fmr Cardinals, Guillen, ad nauseum).

The problem is the Royals home-grown has been pretty terrible thus far (Butler, Gordon) outside of Greinke who was a complete disaster until some signs of life this year.

where do we get off not drafting pujols or matt holiday?

Or Ryan Braun.
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July 22, 2008, 06:15:19 PM
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Do you guys listen to yourselves?

The Royals should be stockpiling draft picks and attempting to re-sign every player with the slightest potential before he realizes he is too good for this crap franchise and hits the open market (whereupon the Royals with their obscenely rich owner will whine about being too poor to re-sign them, spend $5 million on some crap off-season "veteran" who will "turn things around" and will be a piece of crap/not nearly enough just like Santiago, Limatime v1, v2, the fmr Cardinals, Guillen, ad nauseum).

The problem is the Royals home-grown has been pretty terrible thus far (Butler, Gordon) outside of Greinke who was a complete disaster until some signs of life this year.

where do we get off not drafting pujols or matt holiday?

Or Ryan Braun.

we should have picked up a-rod in the offseason.

July 22, 2008, 06:59:15 PM
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Players we should have selected over Alex Gordon:

Zimmerman
Braun
Tulowitzki
Bruce
Ellsbury

The Royals have nobody to blame put themselves for the situation they are in. Their drafting has been awful for the last 5 years.

EDIT: Taking Hochevar number 1 seems to be a bad pick so far.
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July 22, 2008, 09:03:59 PM
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this hosmer dude better not be another gordon.

July 31, 2008, 09:51:36 PM
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I think you guys are going to be impressed with Moutsakas or however you spell his last name. I saw him play. The kid can really hit! His average may not be the good but that's because of his slow start. In his last 15 games he is hitting over .415 with over 20 RBI's!

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Players we should have selected over Alex Gordon:

Zimmerman
Braun
Tulowitzki
Bruce
Ellsbury

The Royals have nobody to blame put themselves for the situation they are in. Their drafting has been awful for the last 5 years.

EDIT: Taking Hochevar number 1 seems to be a bad pick so far.

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I think you guys are going to be impressed with Moutsakas or however you spell his last name. I saw him play. The kid can really hit! His average may not be the good but that's because of his slow start. In his last 15 games he is hitting over .415 with over 20 RBI's!


He's also been converted to a 3rd baseman because he couldn't field the ball at short.

In circles, we refer to him as Moose Tacos.

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I said he was a good hitter  :thumbsup: I didn't say anything about his fielding  :yuck:

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I actually work for the royals in their minor league system and you'd be surprised with how much young talent is hopefully on the way.  Couple young pitchers to watch out for are Sam Runion, Kelvin Herrera, and Daniel Duffy.  Hitters are coming, Kila Kaaiahue is the real deal I believe.  I was in NWA (double A) before I was moved to Burlington, NC and things are looking up, everyone must be patient though.
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I actually work for the royals in their minor league system and you'd be surprised with how much young talent is hopefully on the way.  Couple young pitchers to watch out for are Sam Runion, Kelvin Herrera, and Daniel Duffy.  Hitters are coming, Kila Kaaiahue is the real deal I believe.  I was in NWA (double A) before I was moved to Burlington, NC and things are looking up, everyone must be patient though.


how long?  i'm running out of sluggers kool-aid...

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I actually work for the royals in their minor league system and you'd be surprised with how much young talent is hopefully on the way.  Couple young pitchers to watch out for are Sam Runion, Kelvin Herrera, and Daniel Duffy.  Hitters are coming, Kila Kaaiahue is the real deal I believe.  I was in NWA (double A) before I was moved to Burlington, NC and things are looking up, everyone must be patient though.


how long?  i'm running out of sluggers kool-aid...

At least 2009-2010.  Some of these kids are very young. Baseball is a very difficult sport to draft because there is so much potential with kids and there may be attitude problems or effort problems.  By the way Hosmer isnt a royal yet but he is the real deal, unbelievable power.
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I actually work for the royals in their minor league system and you'd be surprised with how much young talent is hopefully on the way.  Couple young pitchers to watch out for are Sam Runion, Kelvin Herrera, and Daniel Duffy.  Hitters are coming, Kila Kaaiahue is the real deal I believe.  I was in NWA (double A) before I was moved to Burlington, NC and things are looking up, everyone must be patient though.

Do you think he'll be in KC in September? He's putting up some nice numbers in limited time in Omaha.

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I actually work for the royals in their minor league system and you'd be surprised with how much young talent is hopefully on the way.  Couple young pitchers to watch out for are Sam Runion, Kelvin Herrera, and Daniel Duffy.  Hitters are coming, Kila Kaaiahue is the real deal I believe.  I was in NWA (double A) before I was moved to Burlington, NC and things are looking up, everyone must be patient though.

Do you think he'll be in KC in September? He's putting up some nice numbers in limited time in Omaha.

He has a great shot to be a september call up, you cant ignore his power and his numbers.  It just depends on what they do with the outfielders right now.  I gotta believe he will be though, also watch out for a guy named Carlos Rosa he is a great young pitcher.  He was up there earlier this year and will be for quite sometime.  Great kid and lots of upside.
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I actually work for the royals in their minor league system and you'd be surprised with how much young talent is hopefully on the way.  Couple young pitchers to watch out for are Sam Runion, Kelvin Herrera, and Daniel Duffy.  Hitters are coming, Kila Kaaiahue is the real deal I believe.  I was in NWA (double A) before I was moved to Burlington, NC and things are looking up, everyone must be patient though.

Do you think he'll be in KC in September? He's putting up some nice numbers in limited time in Omaha.

He has a great shot to be a september call up, you cant ignore his power and his numbers.  It just depends on what they do with the outfielders right now.  I gotta believe he will be though, also watch out for a guy named Carlos Rosa he is a great young pitcher.  He was up there earlier this year and will be for quite sometime.  Great kid and lots of upside.

doesnt he play first?

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We go to some Omaha Royals games.  Why don't the good players come here!?  They suck and always have sucked.  When Ryan Shealy is your best player you suck the big one imo fwiw iirc.
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We go to some Omaha Royals games.  Why don't the good players come here!?  They suck and always have sucked.  When Ryan Shealy is your best player you suck the big one imo fwiw iirc.
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I hope we give up on him soon, along with TPJ, Steve German, Ross Gload, Jason Smith, and Joey Gathright. We need to get another bat(Dunn or Burrell  :hope:) this off-season.

He has a great shot to be a september call up, you cant ignore his power and his numbers.  It just depends on what they do with the outfielders right now.  I gotta believe he will be though, also watch out for a guy named Carlos Rosa he is a great young pitcher.  He was up there earlier this year and will be for quite sometime.  Great kid and lots of upside.

I'm assuming Rosa will go back to the bullpen if he's called up in September?
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I actually work for the royals in their minor league system and you'd be surprised with how much young talent is hopefully on the way.  Couple young pitchers to watch out for are Sam Runion, Kelvin Herrera, and Daniel Duffy.  Hitters are coming, Kila Kaaiahue is the real deal I believe.  I was in NWA (double A) before I was moved to Burlington, NC and things are looking up, everyone must be patient though.

Do you think he'll be in KC in September? He's putting up some nice numbers in limited time in Omaha.

He has a great shot to be a september call up, you cant ignore his power and his numbers.  It just depends on what they do with the outfielders right now.  I gotta believe he will be though, also watch out for a guy named Carlos Rosa he is a great young pitcher.  He was up there earlier this year and will be for quite sometime.  Great kid and lots of upside.

doesnt he play first?

yeah but right now they are in a weird spot because dejesus cant get healthy and guillen is guillen (by the way let me say that i met guillen in spring training, hung with him a bit.  Super nice guy, dont know what makes him flip but nothing but nice to me.)  gathright is on the dl so they will keep meier and depending on when gath gets back if he does and what dejesus does they might call up another outfielder im guessing.  They also have problems with infield also so you really never know.
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We go to some Omaha Royals games.  Why don't the good players come here!?  They suck and always have sucked.  When Ryan Shealy is your best player you suck the big one imo fwiw iirc.
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I hope we give up on him soon, along with TPJ, Steve German, Ross Gload, Jason Smith, and Joey Gathright. We need to get another bat(Dunn or Burrell  :hope:) this off-season.

He has a great shot to be a september call up, you cant ignore his power and his numbers.  It just depends on what they do with the outfielders right now.  I gotta believe he will be though, also watch out for a guy named Carlos Rosa he is a great young pitcher.  He was up there earlier this year and will be for quite sometime.  Great kid and lots of upside.

I'm assuming Rosa will go back to the bullpen if he's called up in September?

yeah you gotta think thats what will happen, only other option is i could see them resting hoch and starting rosa.  Just depends on wear and tear, arms, and what they have left in the tank.  Hoch just cant seem to make the right pitch at the right time, he will get out of jams but then next inning give up 6 with 2 outs. 
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We go to some Omaha Royals games.  Why don't the good players come here!?  They suck and always have sucked.  When Ryan Shealy is your best player you suck the big one imo fwiw iirc.

I dont usually make excuses for teams but I really think some guys that get sent there have bad attitudes about being there.  Not that they have attitude problems towards the game, but that facility is a dump.  I delievered the equipment there before the season started and that place is not suited for a AAA team.  I have heard though that they are working on building a new stadium for them though, and I know for a fact that the KC front office is more than satisfied with the relationship there. 

By the way Kelvin Herrera was just moved up to low A burlington iowa.  Watch this kid in the next two or three years.  Overpowering fastball and filty offspeed.  He looks like his still in middle school but the kid can throw the ball.
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Kila hit his 7th bomb in 13 games in Omaha the other day. He's now hitting .386. I know it's early, but lets hope he can fill our need at 1b soon. He isn't on the 40man roster, so is Shealy more likely to be called up? If he is, lets hope it's the last time in KC, unless he finally produces.

I dont usually make excuses for teams but I really think some guys that get sent there have bad attitudes about being there.  Not that they have attitude problems towards the game, but that facility is a dump.  I delievered the equipment there before the season started and that place is not suited for a AAA team.  I have heard though that they are working on building a new stadium for them though, and I know for a fact that the KC front office is more than satisfied with the relationship there. 

By the way Kelvin Herrera was just moved up to low A burlington iowa.  Watch this kid in the next two or three years.  Overpowering fastball and filty offspeed.  He looks like his still in middle school but the kid can throw the ball.



Kelvin Herrera looks pretty legit. 45 k's in 50in. with a 1.42 era in Burlington.

Weren't they talking about moving the team out of Omaha for a while?

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Kila hit his 7th bomb in 13 games in Omaha the other day. He's now hitting .386. I know it's early, but lets hope he can fill our need at 1b soon. He isn't on the 40man roster, so is Shealy more likely to be called up? If he is, lets hope it's the last time in KC, unless he finally produces.

I dont usually make excuses for teams but I really think some guys that get sent there have bad attitudes about being there.  Not that they have attitude problems towards the game, but that facility is a dump.  I delievered the equipment there before the season started and that place is not suited for a AAA team.  I have heard though that they are working on building a new stadium for them though, and I know for a fact that the KC front office is more than satisfied with the relationship there. 

By the way Kelvin Herrera was just moved up to low A burlington iowa.  Watch this kid in the next two or three years.  Overpowering fastball and filty offspeed.  He looks like his still in middle school but the kid can throw the ball.



Kelvin Herrera looks pretty legit. 45 k's in 50in. with a 1.42 era in Burlington.

Weren't they talking about moving the team out of Omaha for a while?

Yeah, I forgot about Shealy but that guy should be put on waivers or released whatever.  He is absolutely terrible, I see no reason why that guy should be still on this team.  He brings nothing to the table, Kila I think would bring more.  Quality at bats plus he has the best strikezone disciplin in the system.  Kid is good.
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We go to some Omaha Royals games.  Why don't the good players come here!?  They suck and always have sucked.  When Ryan Shealy is your best player you suck the big one imo fwiw iirc.

I dont usually make excuses for teams but I really think some guys that get sent there have bad attitudes about being there.  Not that they have attitude problems towards the game, but that facility is a dump.  I delievered the equipment there before the season started and that place is not suited for a AAA team.  I have heard though that they are working on building a new stadium for them though, and I know for a fact that the KC front office is more than satisfied with the relationship there. 

By the way Kelvin Herrera was just moved up to low A burlington iowa.  Watch this kid in the next two or three years.  Overpowering fastball and filty offspeed.  He looks like his still in middle school but the kid can throw the ball.

Rosenblatt is kind of a dump but it's the home of the CWS so it has that going for it.  More the area it's in than the stadium.  They are building the new CWS park down by the Qwest Center where the NCAA tourney games were played (Also a crapty area).  The Omaha Royals don't want to play there because they don't need that much seating.  They are kinda getting dicked around by the city of Omaha on the building because they are bending over backward for the CWS and not listening to anything The O Royals have to say.  The O Royals are now looking at a site in Sarpy County, NE which is in SW Omaha and where we live.  I would love for them to build a new/smaller park there as we (mrs. dave and I) would go to many more games.  Sarpy County has stated publicly that they would like to assist in making that happen. 
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