Obama, pull through

[Kat Kid]

there are tons of liberals that refuse to vote clinton.  the same w. huckabee and moderate repubs.


automatic win might be too strong, but there would be a huge opening there.  huge.

Did you see the breakdown in NH?  In Iowa?  Clinton is beating Obama in these areas:  older, women, poor, rank/file Dems.  Obama has the youth vote which may be more "liberal" but Clinton is beating him among democrats, he draws in all the independents.  I don't think there are "tons" of liberals that refuse to vote for Clinton, because they are voting for her now.  The key for Obama is to beat Edwards out of the race in South Carolina because I think a lot of Edwards voters will go to Obama, especially if he endorses/plays for the ticket.  He will need a golden parachute out of this thing though because he doesn't have a Senate seat to fall back on and so he might wait it out and play nice until someone has been decided the winner.  If he does that, the rest of my respect for him will vanish because it is such a spineless way to go.

[steve dave]

The key for Obama is to beat Edwards out of the race in South Carolina because I think a lot of Edwards voters will go to Obama

Ding, Ding, Ding!  We have a winner! 

[AzCat]

Hell, I would consider voting for Bloomberg depending on his Iraq timetable.  He pretty much is a mainstream Dem, but with better free trade positions.

fiscal conservative/social liberal (< steve dave) dream candidate? 

I think, philosophically, that candidate would be arguing with itself all day long.

Why?  Let people do whatever they want but make them pay for it on their own.  It is the platform that about half the libertarian candidates have run under.  It is also steve dave approved.

That bit is antithetical to the modern American left.  No one should: be responsible for their actions or be made to pay for their own needs and wants.  It's cruel to expect the sheeple to take care of themselves don't'cha know. 

[AzCat]

I also think the landscape would change greatly if Obama were white ....

Yes it would.  If Obama were white he'd be just another nameless Senator from the midwest with absolutely no shot at even a cabinet position much less the whole enchilada.  He's a wonderful public speaker but let's face reality: the whole cult of personality surrounding him sprung up almost entirely because he is black.  Or half-black.  Or something other than white.

Don't you have a cross burning to get to or something.

You guys are the epitome of the unthinking American voter.  Obama has *NOTHING* to offer at this point other than slick politically correct packaging.  Seems like a great guy but last time I checked that's pretty low on the list of qualifications for President.

[sys]

That bit is antithetical to the modern American.  No one should: be responsible for their actions or be made to pay for their own needs and wants.  It's cruel to expect the sheeple to take care of themselves don't'cha know. 

fixed your post.

tax and spend.  borrow and spend.  what a gaping chasm btwn dems and pubs.

[sys]

Did you see the breakdown in NH?  In Iowa?

obama pulls the same high education/high income/young/no dynasty types, be they dems or undecideds as bloomberg would.  there is no room for bloomberg as long as obama is around, but if he isn't...


clinton has a base of support, but also huge negatives.  those people will want an alternative if she's the candidate.

[Kat Kid]

Did you see the breakdown in NH?  In Iowa?

obama pulls the same high education/high income/young/no dynasty types, be they dems or undecideds as bloomberg would.  there is no room for bloomberg as long as obama is around, but if he isn't...


clinton has a base of support, but also huge negatives.  those people will want an alternative if she's the candidate.

Black people aren't voting for Bloomberg.  Just so you know.

[AzCat]

That bit is antithetical to the modern American.  No one should: be responsible for their actions or be made to pay for their own needs and wants.  It's cruel to expect the sheeple to take care of themselves don't'cha know. 

fixed your post.

tax and spend.  borrow and spend.  what a gaping chasm btwn dems and pubs.

The primary difference between the left and right is that the left would cut off their nose to spite their face in the form of setting forth punitive taxation and regulation against productive members of our society.  The right will just bury its collective head in the sand and ignore the problems.  I prefer willful ignorance to hostile destruction though it's not much of a choice.

[sys]

Black people aren't voting for Bloomberg.  Just so you know.

obama got what 38% and 36% in iowa and nh?  there aren't any black people in either state.


yeah, clinton will take the black vote if obama is gone, so what?  the black vote has been worthless in all but 2 of the last 7 pres. elections.

[cireksu]

the republicans did a great job of drawing the african american vote by making abortion and homosexuality national/federal issues.

I would love to like obama but as mentioned before he isn't clear about exactly what he plans to do to enact his changes.  That makes me fear that he is talking big and really won't be able to back it up and accomplish much and will probably waste a bunch of tax money in doing so.

[AzCat]

the republicans did a great job of drawing the african american vote by making abortion and homosexuality national/federal issues.

I would love to like obama but as mentioned before he isn't clear about exactly what he plans to do to enact his changes.  That makes me fear that he is talking big and really won't be able to back it up and accomplish much and will probably waste a bunch of tax money in doing so.

That's a feature, not a bug and wasting a bunch of tax money is a given no matter who we elect.

[catdude33]

Instead of trying to get the black vote, I think candidates should try to get the white vote.  That would include a lot more people.  JMO though, ok.

[ChicagoCat]

I also think the landscape would change greatly if Obama were white ....

Yes it would.  If Obama were white he'd be just another nameless Senator from the midwest with absolutely no shot at even a cabinet position much less the whole enchilada.  He's a wonderful public speaker but let's face reality: the whole cult of personality surrounding him sprung up almost entirely because he is black.  Or half-black.  Or something other than white.

Don't you have a cross burning to get to or something.

You guys are the epitome of the unthinking American voter.  Obama has *NOTHING* to offer at this point other than slick politically correct packaging.  Seems like a great guy but last time I checked that's pretty low on the list of qualifications for President.

If you ask me, that alone makes him more qualified than the jackass we had the past 8 years.

[AzCat]

I also think the landscape would change greatly if Obama were white ....

Yes it would.  If Obama were white he'd be just another nameless Senator from the midwest with absolutely no shot at even a cabinet position much less the whole enchilada.  He's a wonderful public speaker but let's face reality: the whole cult of personality surrounding him sprung up almost entirely because he is black.  Or half-black.  Or something other than white.

Don't you have a cross burning to get to or something.

You guys are the epitome of the unthinking American voter.  Obama has *NOTHING* to offer at this point other than slick politically correct packaging.  Seems like a great guy but last time I checked that's pretty low on the list of qualifications for President.

If you ask me, that alone makes him more qualified than the jackass we had the past 8 years.

This is the part where I point out that our current President's sole qualification is the fact that those of his political persuasion also consider him to be a great guy.  Obama = Bush Jr.   

[cireksu]

I think Rudi is more akin to be Bush Jr.

Obama should have waited to run.

[steve dave]

our current President's sole qualification is

He's a legacy

[ChicagoCat]

I also think the landscape would change greatly if Obama were white ....

Yes it would.  If Obama were white he'd be just another nameless Senator from the midwest with absolutely no shot at even a cabinet position much less the whole enchilada.  He's a wonderful public speaker but let's face reality: the whole cult of personality surrounding him sprung up almost entirely because he is black.  Or half-black.  Or something other than white.

Don't you have a cross burning to get to or something.

You guys are the epitome of the unthinking American voter.  Obama has *NOTHING* to offer at this point other than slick politically correct packaging.  Seems like a great guy but last time I checked that's pretty low on the list of qualifications for President.

If you ask me, that alone makes him more qualified than the jackass we had the past 8 years.

This is the part where I point out that our current President's sole qualification is the fact that those of his political persuasion also consider him to be a great guy.  Obama = Bush Jr.   

In your scenario, I could safely assume that Obama has better handlers.

[steve dave]

Obama smokes Marlboro Reds...REDS!   

[steve dave]

Obama got the Kerry endorsement.  How long does Edwards hold out? 

[AzCat]

Obama smokes Marlboro Reds...REDS!   

And Panama red too!   

[catINdallas]

clinton has a base of support, but also huge negatives.  those people will want an alternative if she's the candidate.

How's this for a negative?



 

[Shout it out loud]

I have no trust in obama, and i hate clinton, though she's been prez once (bill didnt do crap)(conspiricy theory) i'd take clinton because i agree w/ the fact that we cant pull out of iraq just yet. We truly shouldnt have gone after iraq, we had no buisness to, but to pull out now would be more  chaious (sp) in that country  that there  was prior to us being there. There is just to big of a culture gap for democracy to work in Iraq IMHO

[cas]

How long does Edwards hold out? 

Could be the determining factor. Maybe after South Carolina??

[cas]

At my school:

Being a democratic supporter (one of the extremely few) in a school/area/people that are diehard Conservative-Republicans. Mainly this is what I have to deal with when talking politics.

Them: "YOU CAN'T VOTE FOR OBAMA HE IS MUSLIM!!!!!???!! HE WILL RUIN AMERICA!!!!!!11"

Me: "So you're saying that just because he is Muslim that he's going to ruin our country??"

Them: "TERRORIST!!!!!!!11 HIS MIDDLE NAME HIS HUSSEIN!!!!!!11"

Me: "Saddam didn't rise to power until 1979, Obama was born 1961. Nobody cared about Saddam when Obama was born."

Them: "BUT HE IS BLACK!!!!!111"

Me: "Ok, wow."

Then there is the long e-mail, that I assume that they are basing their opinion of him.

 Probable Democrat presidential candidate, Barack Hussein Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawaii, to Barack Hussein Obama, Sr., a black MUSLIM from Nyangoma-Kogel, Kenya and Ann Dunham, a white ATHIEST from Wichita, Kansas.

Obama's parents met at the University of Hawaii. When Obama was two years old, his parents divorced. His father returned to Kenya. His mother then married Lolo Soetoro, a RADICAL Muslim from Indonesia. When Obama was 6 years old, the family relocated to Indonesia. Obama attended a MUSLIM school in Jakarta. He also spent two years in a Catholic school.

Obama takes great care to conceal the fact that he is a Muslim. He is quick to point out that, 'He was once a Muslim, but that he also attended Catholic school.'

Obama's political handlers are attempting to make it appear that Obama's introduction to Islam came via his father, and that this influence was temporary at best. In reality, the senior Obama returned to Kenya soon after the divorce, and never again had any direct influence over his son's education.

Lolo Soetoro, the second husband of Obama's mother, Ann Dunham, introduced his stepson to Islam. Obama was enrolled in a Wahabi school in Jakarta.

Wahabism is the RADICAL teaching that is followed by the Muslim terrorists who are now waging Jihad against the western world.

Since it is politically expedient to be a CHRISTIAN when seeking Major public office in the United States, Barack Hussein Obama has joined the United Church of Christ in an attempt to downplay his Muslim background.

Let us all remain alert concerning Obama's expected presidential candidacy.

The Muslims have said they plan on destroying the US from the inside out, what better way to start than at the highest level - through the President of the United States, one of their own!!!!

ALSO, keep in mind that when he was sworn into office - he DID NOT use the Holy Bible, but instead the kuran (Their equevelancy to our Bible, but very different beliefs)

Please forward to everyone you know. Would you want this man leading our country?...... NOT ME!!



Well if most of the people would take time to research any of this. CNN, Fox News and many other sources have let it be known that this whole thing is a hoax. I'm just glad that some of the students at our school aren't allowed to vote.

[steve dave]

LOL at bigots and mean people

[Shout it out loud]

ALSO, keep in mind that when he was sworn into office - he DID NOT use the Holy Bible, but instead the kuran (Their equevelancy to our Bible, but very different beliefs)

As a Christian, I'd almost prefer that he swears in on the Qu'ran instead of the Bible. It would be meaningless to swear in on a Bible as a Muslim, just as it would be meaningless to me swearing in on a Qu'ran as a Christian.

[Kat Kid]

ALSO, keep in mind that when he was sworn into office - he DID NOT use the Holy Bible, but instead the kuran (Their equevelancy to our Bible, but very different beliefs)

As a Christian, I'd almost prefer that he swears in on the Qu'ran instead of the Bible. It would be meaningless to swear in on a Bible as a Muslim, just as it would be meaningless to me swearing in on a Qu'ran as a Christian.

He's Christian.

[waks]

This whole thread makes me sad.



 

[ksudrew]

ALSO, keep in mind that when he was sworn into office - he DID NOT use the Holy Bible, but instead the kuran (Their equevelancy to our Bible, but very different beliefs)

As a Christian, I'd almost prefer that he swears in on the Qu'ran instead of the Bible. It would be meaningless to swear in on a Bible as a Muslim, just as it would be meaningless to me swearing in on a Qu'ran as a Christian.

He's Christian.

yes he is - see the link

http://www.tucc.org/about.htm

[AzCat]

This whole thread makes me sad.

 

Yeah after the election is over we should all get together with Barak, sing kum Ba Yah, and do a couple of celebratory lines off Fred Thompson's wife's ass.