Give Prince 4 more years, IMO.

[michigancat]

I like the guy.

[kstate16]

4th and 25 on the 50 yard line, 30 sec to go in half.  he f*cking goes for it.

[michigancat]

One rookie mistake.

[fatty fat fat]

4th and 25 on the 50 yard line, 30 sec to go in half.  he f*cking goes for it.

execution was bad, I had no qualms with that play call.

execution is prince's fault. his last 2 recruiting classes have pretty much sucked.

[michigancat]

4th and 25 on the 50 yard line, 30 sec to go in half.  he f*cking goes for it.

execution was bad, I had no qualms with that play call.

execution is prince's fault. his last 2 recruiting classes have pretty much sucked.

who's the best recruiting asst. in the country?

[kstate16]

4th and 25 on the 50 yard line, 30 sec to go in half.  he f*cking goes for it.

execution was bad, I had no qualms with that play call.

execution is prince's fault. his last 2 recruiting classes have pretty much sucked.

are you sh*tting me? dumb call, face it.  weren't you the one that was always blubbering about how amazing the 2006 class turned out to be?

[fatty fat fat]

4th and 25 on the 50 yard line, 30 sec to go in half.  he f*cking goes for it.

execution was bad, I had no qualms with that play call.

execution is prince's fault. his last 2 recruiting classes have pretty much sucked.

are you sh*tting me? dumb call, face it.  weren't you the one that was always blubbering about how amazing the 2006 class turned out to be?

Yes, it really isn't that great.

We were down 21 points at the time. I thought we could have converted it, there was only 30 seconds left.

[WavetheWheat]

Longhorn Killer.

[WildCatzPhreak]

4th and 25 on the 50 yard line, 30 sec to go in half.  he f*cking goes for it.

execution was bad, I had no qualms with that play call.

execution is prince's fault. his last 2 recruiting classes have pretty much sucked.

are you sh*tting me? dumb call, face it.  weren't you the one that was always blubbering about how amazing the 2006 class turned out to be?

Yes, it really isn't that great.

We were down 21 points at the time. I thought we could have converted it, there was only 30 seconds left.

I thought the same.  This was before we realized that our defense was absolutely and totally horrible.  Bad enough to let a backup quarterback lead a team on a 5 game losing streak to 70+ points.

It was a dumb playcall though.  One of those where as a fan, you want him to go for it, but as someone who knows football, you know it's a mistake.

Still, i figured the worst that could come out of it was a Nebraska field goal.  Good God our D is horrible.

[fatty fat fat]

4th and 25 on the 50 yard line, 30 sec to go in half.  he f*cking goes for it.

execution was bad, I had no qualms with that play call.

execution is prince's fault. his last 2 recruiting classes have pretty much sucked.

are you sh*tting me? dumb call, face it.  weren't you the one that was always blubbering about how amazing the 2006 class turned out to be?

Yes, it really isn't that great.

We were down 21 points at the time. I thought we could have converted it, there was only 30 seconds left.

I thought the same.  This was before we realized that our defense was absolutely and totally horrible.  Bad enough to let a backup quarterback lead a team on a 5 game losing streak to 70+ points.

It was a dumb playcall though.  One of those where as a fan, you want him to go for it, but as someone who knows football, you know it's a mistake.

Still, i figured the worst that could come out of it was a Nebraska field goal.  Good God our D is horrible.

Did it really matter though? It's dumb to even argue about.

[michigancat]

Longhorn Killer.

How can you fire that face?

And stop talking about the f*cking play call.

This is about Ron staying four more seasons (after this one).

[ksuno1stunner]

If we go into half 31-10 it's probably over.  Gotta take a shot.

[Pete]

I like the guy.

Jesus christ....wow.  

Ron Prince is a fraud.  Giving him more time will only reinforce this and further solidify KSU as the Baylor of the North.

[WildCatzPhreak]

stop talking about the f*cking play call.

This is about Ron staying four more seasons (after this one).

Ok.  (I agree with fwiw.)

He has at least one more year, almost positive he has two left.

He should get at least five years total unless it's blatantly obvious he's going nowhere but down(ala Terry Allen style.)  Fans of teams who are used to great success have no patience and usually have unfair expectations.

There are a lot of examples.  Nebraska with Solich.  Despite getting them to the national championship in 2001 and fielding a ten win team in 2003, he was fired.  Alabama with pretty much every coach after Bryant.  In basketball, Kentucky with Tubby, who never missed the NCAA tournament and won a title, but because he hadn't recently was forced out.

There were people that wanted Snyder fired after a loss to UNLV that cost us a bowl game. 

If this year has taught football fans in general anything, it's the continuity breeds success.  Mangino and Pinkel, two coaches who have mired in mediocrity their entire careers as HC's, coaches who were never expected to get over the hump, and have been considered mildly 'on the hot seat' for 1-2 years, are suddenly wielding top 6 teams.  On the flip side, programs who jumped on their kneejerk reaction like Alabama(lost to Miss St today) Nebraska(breaking a five game losing streak despite having arguably the 2nd most talent in the conference), and Kentucky in basketball (lost horribly at home to a directional school noone had ever heard of) are seeing why it's important to bite your lip and stick it out.  You almost always have to take a step backwards before you can take a step forwards when you have a new coach.

It's a matter of riding through the rough times and giving them time to learn and develop their own program, which takes years to do.  And in the meantime, teams around you continue to fire and hire coaches based on one or two bad years, constantly knocking them back even farther and farther.

I'm not suggesting that a school shouldn't fire coaches.  If it's blatantly obvious you're only getting worse and worse after 3-4 years, it's time.(Like Terry Allen with ku.)  If you've given a coach several years and no improvement is made, it's probably time to move on.  (Like Fran with A&M.)  But buttkickings happen, especially with new coaches.  Losing records happen, especially with new coaches.

We just have to stick it out, wait, and see what happens.  It's not now, or even next year, that we'll see if Prince is the right guy for the job.  It's later down the road.  We just have to sit back and enjoy the ride..Even if it means biting our lip a few times.

[Houstoncat93]

4th and 25 on the 50 yard line, 30 sec to go in half.  he f*cking goes for it.

execution was bad, I had no qualms with that play call.

execution is prince's fault. his last 2 recruiting classes have pretty much sucked.

are you sh*tting me? dumb call, face it.  weren't you the one that was always blubbering about how amazing the 2006 class turned out to be?

Yes, it really isn't that great.

We were down 21 points at the time. I thought we could have converted it, there was only 30 seconds left.

I thought the same.  This was before we realized that our defense was absolutely and totally horrible.  Bad enough to let a backup quarterback lead a team on a 5 game losing streak to 70+ points.

It was a dumb playcall though.  One of those where as a fan, you want him to go for it, but as someone who knows football, you know it's a mistake.

Still, i figured the worst that could come out of it was a Nebraska field goal.  Good God our D is horrible.

Did it really matter though? It's dumb to even argue about.

No it didn't matter in this game but his "bold and dumb" play calling is starting to become a pattern

[RegWalker53]

keep Prince get a new D coordinator 3-4 just does not work. Tibs=Great Special Teams Coach not so much a Defense Coach.  Possibly Bennett  Or maybe just a couple of big guys on the D-Line.

[michigancat]

No it didn't matter in this game but his "bold and dumb" play calling is starting to become a pattern

No it isn't.

He's usually very conservative.

You have to make bold/crazy calls down 3 scores right before half.

I'm sure you'd also be bitching if he made three straight runs to start the drive.

[kuilander]

KEEP SCARY SMART!!!

[WildCatzPhreak]

keep Prince get a new D coordinator 3-4 just does not work. Tibs=Great Special Teams Coach not so much a Defense Coach.  Possibly Bennett   Or maybe just a couple of big guys on the D-Line.

It's more our sucky defensive players than the scheme.

[Houstoncat93]

No it didn't matter in this game but his "bold and dumb" play calling is starting to become a pattern

He's usually very conservative.

Yeah....I forgot that was Prince's trademark...how many TD passes to non-QB's have this season?

[michigancat]

I like the guy.

Jesus christ....wow. 

Ron Prince is a fraud.  Giving him more time will only reinforce this and further solidify KSU as the Baylor of the North.

He is mediocre at worst, IMO.

No it didn't matter in this game but his "bold and dumb" play calling is starting to become a pattern

He's usually very conservative.

Yeah....I forgot that was Prince's trademark...how many TD passes to non-QB's have this season?

3?  Not a huge amount over the course of a season.  All in the red zone with little chance of a field position flip (unlike 4th and 23 from the 50).

[ksu_FAN]

Hey, we haven't had 70 scored on us since 1988.  We were due.  Its only one game.  

And Rusty is right, you just gotta like Prince.  

[catzacker]

It was a terrible call.  It didn't determine the game, but it was still a terrible call.  

It really doesn't matter if we like Prince or not.  When the GPC crowd is already calling for the guy's head, in reality, he's already fired, it's just a matter of when. 

[michigancat]

It really doesn't matter if we like Prince or not.  When the GPC crowd is already calling for the guy's head, in reality, he's already fired, it's just a matter of when. 

They've had it in for him from day one.  Because they're snydertards...they'll hate anything not associated with Snyder at the first sign of weakness.

[WildCatzPhreak]

It was a terrible call.  It didn't determine the game, but it was still a terrible call. 

It really doesn't matter if we like Prince or not.  When the GPC crowd is already calling for the guy's head, in reality, he's already fired, it's just a matter of when. 

Bad example.  In 2004 and 2005 there were people on GPC calling for Snyder's head.  It was very lollable.

[Pete]

It really doesn't matter if we like Prince or not.  When the GPC crowd is already calling for the guy's head, in reality, he's already fired, it's just a matter of when. 

They've had it in for him from day one.  Because they're snydertards...they'll hate anything not associated with Snyder at the first sign of weakness.

Ron Prince is not good at coaching football. 

[Houstoncat93]

It really doesn't matter if we like Prince or not.  When the GPC crowd is already calling for the guy's head, in reality, he's already fired, it's just a matter of when. 

They've had it in for him from day one.  Because they're snydertards...they'll hate anything not associated with Snyder at the first sign of weakness.

I really hope you are being sarcastic with all this.  This program is headed in the wrong direction.  Maybe Prince can pull his head out of his ass and turn things around but right now the results are not encouraging.  Other than 2 wins against Texas he hasn't done crap!

[ksu_FAN]

We did miss out on sorta the football version of Huggins.

[catzacker]

It really doesn't matter if we like Prince or not.  When the GPC crowd is already calling for the guy's head, in reality, he's already fired, it's just a matter of when. 

They've had it in for him from day one.  Because they're snydertards...they'll hate anything not associated with Snyder at the first sign of weakness.

Which is why it's only a matter of time.  I didn't really think it was a good hire at the time, but that was because of his previous resume (or lack thereof), but even then I think he still needs 4 years, irregardless.  Ron certainly hasn't helped himself out any with his scheduling.  Deep down, no one really cares if we play tough OOC's or not, they care about wins, inflated or otherwise.  He'll get that 4th year, possibly a 5th, but the 5th year will be a token year so we won't have to hear from the ACLU.  

[michigancat]

It really doesn't matter if we like Prince or not.  When the GPC crowd is already calling for the guy's head, in reality, he's already fired, it's just a matter of when. 

They've had it in for him from day one.  Because they're snydertards...they'll hate anything not associated with Snyder at the first sign of weakness.

Ron Prince is not good at coaching football. 

You are not a snydertard.

I really hope you are being sarcastic with all this.  This program is headed in the wrong direction.  Maybe Prince can pull his head out of his ass and turn things around but right now the results are not encouraging.  Other than 2 wins against Texas he hasn't done crap!

I seriously think there are a lot of advantages of giving him six seasons.  This isn't basketball, and comparing Prince to Wooldridge in arguing firing him is just as dumb as comparing Wooldridge to Snyder in arguing for an extra year.  There are tons of examples of teams having breakout fifth and sixth seasons in football.  Not so much in basketball.

And is it really fair to ignore two wins over top ten teams?  Really?