Give Prince 4 more years, IMO.

[Legore]

It really doesn't matter if we like Prince or not.  When the GPC crowd is already calling for the guy's head, in reality, he's already fired, it's just a matter of when. 

They've had it in for him from day one.  Because they're snydertards...they'll hate anything not associated with Snyder at the first sign of weakness.

Which is why it's only a matter of time.  I didn't really think it was a good hire at the time, but that was because of his previous resume (or lack thereof), but even then I think he still needs 4 years, irregardless.  Ron certainly hasn't helped himself out any with his scheduling.  Deep down, no one really cares if we play tough OOC's or not, they care about wins, inflated or otherwise.  He'll get that 4th year, possibly a 5th, but the 5th year will be a token year so we won't have to hear from the ACLU.  

the schedule is just stupid and I don't know how anyone can argue otherwise.  Snyder showed everyone how to schedule for success and now MU and ku are both following his blue print.  At schools like ku, MU and KSU that is the way you have to do it.  Build confidence and come into conference play fresh, healthy and undefeated.  

Prince is going to get his ass canned and then no one is going to want the job because of the dumbass games they'll have to play.  He has us over scheduled for like the next 8 years or something.   Weiser is a fool for letting him do it too.  Terrible job by an AD letting a rookie coach schedule those games in his first year.  Puts the program in jepordy for the next 10 years.  

[ksu_FAN]

I seriously think there are a lot of advantages of giving him six seasons.  This isn't basketball, and comparing Prince to Wooldridge in arguing firing him is just as dumb as comparing Wooldridge to Snyder in arguing for an extra year.  There are tons of examples of teams having breakout fifth and sixth seasons in football.  Not so much in basketball.

Mangino?  McCarney?  Others?

I agree, you can't fire him yet.

[catzacker]

I seriously think there are a lot of advantages of giving him six seasons.  This isn't basketball, and comparing Prince to Wooldridge in arguing firing him is just as dumb as comparing Wooldridge to Snyder in arguing for an extra year.  There are tons of examples of teams having breakout fifth and sixth seasons in football.  Not so much in basketball.

And is it really fair to ignore two wins over top ten teams?  Really?


[/quote]

No, it's not fair.  Just like it's not fair to ignore losses to Baylor, ku in '06 and ISU and NU in '07.  I'd trade each UT win for those 4 wins over the past two years.  

[Houstoncat93]

It really doesn't matter if we like Prince or not.  When the GPC crowd is already calling for the guy's head, in reality, he's already fired, it's just a matter of when. 

They've had it in for him from day one.  Because they're snydertards...they'll hate anything not associated with Snyder at the first sign of weakness.

Ron Prince is not good at coaching football. 

You are not a snydertard.

I really hope you are being sarcastic with all this.  This program is headed in the wrong direction.  Maybe Prince can pull his head out of his ass and turn things around but right now the results are not encouraging.  Other than 2 wins against Texas he hasn't done crap!

I seriously think there are a lot of advantages of giving him six seasons.  This isn't basketball, and comparing Prince to Wooldridge in arguing firing him is just as dumb as comparing Wooldridge to Snyder in arguing for an extra year.  There are tons of examples of teams having breakout fifth and sixth seasons in football.  Not so much in basketball.

And is it really fair to ignore two wins over top ten teams?  Really?

The comparison to Wooly is more of a prediction than a statement of fact.  It is too soon to say for sure but so far I'm getting a very Wooly-esque vibe from Prince.  Just enough to give us hope that progress is being made and then a shot to the nuts.

I'm not ignoring the wins over Texas I just see those as the only signs of progress among a long list of negatives.  Teams rebuild programs around defense and special teams.  Neither is a particular strength of Prince.  Going into the game today Scoring Def was 7th in the conference (no change from last year), KO Returns was 10th, (2nd last year), KO coverage was 9th (10th last year).  The only improvements are in net punting (1st this year and 8th last year) and punt returns (3rd last year and 1st this year).

[michigancat]

I seriously think there are a lot of advantages of giving him six seasons.  This isn't basketball, and comparing Prince to Wooldridge in arguing firing him is just as dumb as comparing Wooldridge to Snyder in arguing for an extra year.  There are tons of examples of teams having breakout fifth and sixth seasons in football.  Not so much in basketball.

Mangino?  McCarney?  Others?

I agree, you can't fire him yet.

Um, Snyder and Pinkel come to mind.  We haven't even left the B12 North, either.

I'm not ignoring the wins over Texas I just see those as the only signs of progress among a long list of negatives.  Teams rebuild programs around defense and special teams.  Neither is a particular strength of Prince.  Going into the game today Scoring Def was 7th in the conference (no change from last year), KO Returns was 10th, (2nd last year), KO coverage was 9th (10th last year).  The only improvements are in net punting (1st this year and 8th last year) and punt returns (3rd last year and 1st this year).

New coordinators in both.

[ksu_FAN]

I seriously think there are a lot of advantages of giving him six seasons.  This isn't basketball, and comparing Prince to Wooldridge in arguing firing him is just as dumb as comparing Wooldridge to Snyder in arguing for an extra year.  There are tons of examples of teams having breakout fifth and sixth seasons in football.  Not so much in basketball.

Mangino?  McCarney?  Others?

I agree, you can't fire him yet.

Um, Snyder and Pinkel come to mind.  We haven't even left the B12 North, either.

I'm not ignoring the wins over Texas I just see those as the only signs of progress among a long list of negatives.  Teams rebuild programs around defense and special teams.  Neither is a particular strength of Prince.  Going into the game today Scoring Def was 7th in the conference (no change from last year), KO Returns was 10th, (2nd last year), KO coverage was 9th (10th last year).  The only improvements are in net punting (1st this year and 8th last year) and punt returns (3rd last year and 1st this year).

New coordinators in both.

I suppose I don't really count Snyder (different era, situation), but Pinkel makes some sense.

[michigancat]

Notre dame and and Nubb are good arguments against changing coaches every 4 years.

[WildCatzPhreak]

The impact of coordinators is underrated IMO.  I don't think he'd have a problem firing coordinators, but the question is if he could get some good ones to replace them.

[ksu_FAN]

Notre dame and and Nubb are good arguments against changing coaches every 4 years.

I don't necessarily disagree with you.  Its just hard to be "stay the course" after getting whipped by the worst Nebraska team since KSU was still regularly winning league titles.  In basketball.

[Pete]

And is it really fair to ignore two wins over top ten teams?  Really?

While it is certainly true that UT was "ranked" that high when we beat them, do you honestly believe that they were accurately ranked?

[michigancat]

And is it really fair to ignore two wins over top ten teams?  Really?

While it is certainly true that UT was "ranked" that high when we beat them, do you honestly believe that they were accurately ranked?

Um, UT is going to finish 10-2.

So, yeah.

[catzacker]

The impact of coordinators is underrated IMO.  I don't think he'd have a problem firing coordinators, but the question is if he could get some good ones to replace them.

At this point, he might as well stick with his coordinators.  I mean, year 3 and he'd be on his 3rd DC and 2nd OC?  If anything, let Lattimore go and get someone to coach the DL and be a co-DC.  

[fatty fat fat]

And is it really fair to ignore two wins over top ten teams?  Really?

While it is certainly true that UT was "ranked" that high when we beat them, do you honestly believe that they were accurately ranked?

Um, UT is going to finish 10-2.

So, yeah.

Jesus.

[Pete]

And is it really fair to ignore two wins over top ten teams?  Really?

While it is certainly true that UT was "ranked" that high when we beat them, do you honestly believe that they were accurately ranked?

Um, UT is going to finish 10-2.

So, yeah.

UT needed an act of God to beat OSU, and was never involved in a real game with OU.  Tech is clearly a shell of what they once were, and aTm is firing their coach.

What is it about this year's UT team makes them a quality win in your opinion?

[ksu_FAN]

"Princite" just doesn't have the ring of "Woolite". 

[michigancat]

And is it really fair to ignore two wins over top ten teams?  Really?

While it is certainly true that UT was "ranked" that high when we beat them, do you honestly believe that they were accurately ranked?

Um, UT is going to finish 10-2.

So, yeah.

UT needed an act of God to beat OSU, and was never involved in a real game with OU.  Tech is clearly a shell of what they once were, and aTm is firing their coach.

What is it about this year's UT team makes them a quality win in your opinion?

Are you f*cking serious?

I'm not even going to address this stupidity.

[Pete]

And is it really fair to ignore two wins over top ten teams?  Really?

While it is certainly true that UT was "ranked" that high when we beat them, do you honestly believe that they were accurately ranked?

Um, UT is going to finish 10-2.

So, yeah.

UT needed an act of God to beat OSU, and was never involved in a real game with OU.  Tech is clearly a shell of what they once were, and aTm is firing their coach.

What is it about this year's UT team makes them a quality win in your opinion?

Are you f*cking serious?

I'm not even going to address this stupidity.

Don't be so &@#%ing dramatic....

UT is not good.  They nearly lost to NU. 

Do you even watch football?

[The Whale]

stop talking about the f*cking play call.

This is about Ron staying four more seasons (after this one).

Ok.  (I agree with fwiw.)

He has at least one more year, almost positive he has two left.

He should get at least five years total unless it's blatantly obvious he's going nowhere but down(ala Terry Allen style.)  Fans of teams who are used to great success have no patience and usually have unfair expectations.

There are a lot of examples.  Nebraska with Solich.  Despite getting them to the national championship in 2001 and fielding a ten win team in 2003, he was fired.  Alabama with pretty much every coach after Bryant.  In basketball, Kentucky with Tubby, who never missed the NCAA tournament and won a title, but because he hadn't recently was forced out.

There were people that wanted Snyder fired after a loss to UNLV that cost us a bowl game. 

If this year has taught football fans in general anything, it's the continuity breeds success.  Mangino and Pinkel, two coaches who have mired in mediocrity their entire careers as HC's, coaches who were never expected to get over the hump, and have been considered mildly 'on the hot seat' for 1-2 years, are suddenly wielding top 6 teams.  On the flip side, programs who jumped on their kneejerk reaction like Alabama(lost to Miss St today) Nebraska(breaking a five game losing streak despite having arguably the 2nd most talent in the conference), and Kentucky in basketball (lost horribly at home to a directional school noone had ever heard of) are seeing why it's important to bite your lip and stick it out.  You almost always have to take a step backwards before you can take a step forwards when you have a new coach.

It's a matter of riding through the rough times and giving them time to learn and develop their own program, which takes years to do.  And in the meantime, teams around you continue to fire and hire coaches based on one or two bad years, constantly knocking them back even farther and farther.

I'm not suggesting that a school shouldn't fire coaches.  If it's blatantly obvious you're only getting worse and worse after 3-4 years, it's time.(Like Terry Allen with ku.)  If you've given a coach several years and no improvement is made, it's probably time to move on.  (Like Fran with A&M.)  But buttkickings happen, especially with new coaches.  Losing records happen, especially with new coaches.

We just have to stick it out, wait, and see what happens.  It's not now, or even next year, that we'll see if Prince is the right guy for the job.  It's later down the road.  We just have to sit back and enjoy the ride..Even if it means biting our lip a few times.

I agree with the Phreak -- you've got to give him at least 2, probably 3 more years (short of some 1 or 2 win season disaster).  A knee-jerk reaction to fire Prince after going 4-4 and likely 3-5 in the conference in his first two years would be ridiculous.

[steve dave]

Give Prince 4 more years, IMO.

I like the guy.

This post is prototypical Rusty.  I love it.   

[Skycat]

This is just Rusty trying to be like his hero Kietz.

[michigancat]

LOL, Keitz will unload on Mr. Ron.

You know who's kind of having a breakout year in year 7?

Al Groh, up 31-0 AT Miami.

[mjrod]

Miami is horrible.

[michigancat]

Miami is horrible.

[rjd27]

it's hard to like a coach after his team gets pasted 73-31, but I'm willing to give Prince 1-2 more years.
But that's not the point of this post. Should we be worried that Virginia is improving two years after Prince left the Off. Cord. position?
R.J.

[steve dave]

it's hard to like a coach after his team gets pasted 73-31, but I'm willing to give Prince 1-2 more years.
But that's not the point of this post. Should we be worried that Virginia is improving two years after Prince left the Off. Cord. position?
R.J.

Maybe, if he becomes our OC

[michigancat]

they got worse, initially after he left.

[Skycat]

I didn't so much mean what you said as much as how you said it.

[bws]

 

They've had it in for him from day one.  Because they're snydertards...they'll hate anything not associated with Snyder at the first sign of weakness.

Snydertards>>>Princetards

Snyder actually accomplished something. Nice fishing expedition though.

 

[cireksu]

Prince should get at least 2 more years dependin on how we do in those 2 years.

[Bullfn33]

I like the guy.

I agree with giving him four more years.  I think he is doing some learning about his philosophies and being a head coach in general.  Giving him time to adjust his mistakes and build the program is the right thing to do.  Firing a coach after two or even three seasons is the wrong thing to do, plain and simple.  I just have a gut feeling that he is mediocre at the very very worst. 

How many would have wanted to fire Pinkel before the 2006 season if Missouri was KSU from 2001 to 2005?  What about Mangino during that same time period?  My guess is a lot.