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August 15, 2007, 06:02:55 PM
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hmmm...he dogs Clemson and Arkansas' chances as great rushing attacks despite great RB's because, "Clemson only returns one starter on the OL and Arkansas only two."

I wonder if a team a few miles to the East lost a few OL?


August 15, 2007, 06:06:43 PM
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One thing? Mark May is the best in the business, imo.
It is a tragedy because now, we have at least an extra month without Cat football until next year. I hate wasting my life away but I can hardly wait until next year.

August 15, 2007, 06:12:40 PM
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August 15, 2007, 06:38:06 PM
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What does he say about KSU?



 :ohno:

Actually very good things. He loves Prince & Freeman and says that we have a good shot at winning the north.

August 15, 2007, 07:47:15 PM
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What does he say about KSU?



 :ohno:

Actually very good things. He loves Prince & Freeman and says that we have a good shot at winning the north.


idiot.

August 15, 2007, 08:02:46 PM
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hmmm...he dogs Clemson and Arkansas' chances as great rushing attacks despite great RB's because, "Clemson only returns one starter on the OL and Arkansas only two."

I wonder if a team a few miles to the East lost a few OL?



ku returns three starters on the OL. Collins is a stud, C Rod has the most starts and Cantrell is coming off an injury from '06. I'd feel a bit more comfortable knowing my team has proven talent then guys with "potential" (or absolutely sucked the year before).

I'm not saying the KSU line will be atrocious like last year, but I wouldn't be too excited just yet.

August 15, 2007, 08:05:17 PM
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One thing? Mark May is the best in the business, imo.

If that business was offensive tackle, you might be right. 
As a college football analyst, not so much.

August 15, 2007, 08:15:55 PM
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hmmm...he dogs Clemson and Arkansas' chances as great rushing attacks despite great RB's because, "Clemson only returns one starter on the OL and Arkansas only two."

I wonder if a team a few miles to the East lost a few OL?



ku returns three starters on the OL. Collins is a stud, C Rod has the most starts and Cantrell is coming off an injury from '06. I'd feel a bit more comfortable knowing my team has proven talent then guys with "potential" (or absolutely sucked the year before).

I'm not saying the KSU line will be atrocious like last year, but I wouldn't be too excited just yet.

basically what the dingbat is saying is that Cantrell is proven because he started 5 games in '05.

ku averaged 3.4 yards per carry rushing in '05 in Big 12.
ku surrendered 20 sacks in Big 12 '05

KSU averaged 4.0 yards per carry rushing in '06 in Big 12.
KSU surrendered 21 sacks in '06 Big 12

by dumbarse definition all of our returning players on the OL in '06 w/ a handful of starts are "proven talent".

freakin' beaks...hilarious.


August 15, 2007, 08:42:23 PM
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basically what the dingbat is saying is that Cantrell is proven because he started 5 games in '05.

ku averaged 3.4 yards per carry rushing in '05 in Big 12.
ku surrendered 20 sacks in Big 12 '05

KSU averaged 4.0 yards per carry rushing in '06 in Big 12.
KSU surrendered 21 sacks in '06 Big 12

by dumbarse definition all of our returning players on the OL in '06 w/ a handful of starts are "proven talent".

freakin' beaks...hilarious.

Cantrell was quite good at guard as a freshman before he got hurt. He was playing out of position (which has been resolved this year), but he was probably our second-best interior blocker behind Ochoa.

As for the ku '05 and KSU '06 comparisons, I'll have to throw out a Hatter "LOL". ku didn't have a healthy QB until the end of the year, so it wasn't too hard for defenses to stop them (stack the box and blitz). Adam Barmann and Brian Luke were more sack prone than any ku QB since the early TA days. Not surprising that our OL gave up too many sacks and fewer yards. They didn't have Collins around yet to slap around guys like Campbell.

But if you want to make the argument that the '05 OL wasn't good, then you're basically saying the '06 ku line wasn't any good (Whitaker, Cox, Ochoa, Cantrell and Dambach all played significant time both years). So what is it? Was the '06 OL bad, average or good? Collins, Cantrell and Rodriguez aren't talented? An unhealthy Whitaker (who could barely walk) graduating will devastate the ku OL? A RB like Cornish could only excel behind our '06 line?

It's not like KSU is the only team to sign new talent on the OL each year. ku has Hartley coming in, and several veterans (though not much PT between them) at guard.

August 15, 2007, 08:50:47 PM
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LOL @ ku football in general. 

August 15, 2007, 08:51:29 PM
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hmmm...he dogs Clemson and Arkansas' chances as great rushing attacks despite great RB's because, "Clemson only returns one starter on the OL and Arkansas only two."

I wonder if a team a few miles to the East lost a few OL?



ku returns three starters on the OL. Collins is a stud, C Rod has the most starts and Cantrell is coming off an injury from '06. I'd feel a bit more comfortable knowing my team has proven talent then guys with "potential" (or absolutely sucked the year before).

I'm not saying the KSU line will be atrocious like last year, but I wouldn't be too excited just yet.

\but  no Jon Cornish. Your running game will take a dump.
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August 15, 2007, 09:01:56 PM
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 ku didn't have a healthy QB until the end of the year, so it wasn't too hard for defenses to stop them (stack the box and blitz). 
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You still got a china doll and I wouldn't expect this tactic to stop being effective.

August 15, 2007, 09:05:21 PM
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One thing? Mark May is the best in the business, imo.

I hope you're joking. Mark May is a buffoon, and constant critic of Big 12 North teams.
I didn't attend college

August 15, 2007, 09:09:54 PM
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 ku didn't have a healthy QB until the end of the year, so it wasn't too hard for defenses to stop them (stack the box and blitz). 

You still got a china doll and I wouldn't expect this tactic to stop being effective.
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Reesing doesn't have a history of injuries. He could very well follow the same path as many other ku QB, but I'm hopeful he'll slide more than guys like Meier, Barmann, Whittemore and Luke.

I really doubt teams will stack the box considering ku lacks a veteran back (other than McAnderson at FB). They'd be wise to respect a former Texas HS Offensive POY with several veteran receiver options.

Can't wait to get bombarded by LOL's from Manhatter. Just keep in mind that Snyder liked Todd enough to be the first school to offer him a scholarship.   :)

August 15, 2007, 09:19:01 PM
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\but  no Jon Cornish. Your running game will take a dump.

No doubt that Cornish did big things at ku. But we finally had a QB who could really run, so teams had to respect two ball-carriers. He wouldn't have all those yards if Barmann was QB all year. But I don't think losing him will kill ku, because there will be more of an emphasis on the passing game this year (less option reads, which were Nicky Q's bread and butter). I think the pass will help set up the run this year (opposite from last season).

August 15, 2007, 09:34:27 PM
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but I'm hopeful he'll slide more than guys like Meier, Barmann, Whittemore and Luke.


Three step drop/slide?

Five step drop/slide?



August 16, 2007, 12:45:28 AM
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LOL at Bennett's excuses.  Blaming 3.4 ypc on QB's?  WTF?

Look, Cantrell is not proven just because you know of him and want him to be proven.  That is hilarious.

Collins...yes.  Rodriquez...mmm, well, he's very experienced.  Other than that ku has zero "proven" players up front.

LOL at your "if you call '05 OL then you are also saying '06 OL"...no, I didn't and won't because I, unlike you, realize experience and playing together is a key factor in building an OL.


August 16, 2007, 01:29:13 AM
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Anyone else catch Robert Smith's comment that was something to the effect of..."they have computers in Nebraska?"

It made me smile......

August 16, 2007, 04:19:53 AM
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Anyone else catch Robert Smith's comment that was something to the effect of..."they have computers in Nebraska?"

It made me smile......
You know everyone says the exact same thing about Kansas, right?

August 16, 2007, 04:40:40 AM
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Mark May is a buffoon, and constant critic of Big 12 North teams.

You're only one black head coach away from Marky Mark's approval!

August 16, 2007, 11:31:11 AM
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August 16, 2007, 11:33:33 AM
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LOL @ ku football in general. 

LOL @ 39-20.



Yeah, we know....that was embarrasing. But we went bowling in Prince's first year & with a true frosh. QB. :notworthy: :woohoo: :ksu:

August 16, 2007, 11:44:30 AM
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\but  no Jon Cornish. Your running game will take a dump.

No doubt that Cornish did big things at ku. But we finally had a QB who could really run, so teams had to respect two ball-carriers. He wouldn't have all those yards if Barmann was QB all year. But I don't think losing him will kill ku, because there will be more of an emphasis on the passing game this year (less option reads, which were Nicky Q's bread and butter). I think the pass will help set up the run this year (opposite from last season).

That is all fine and good but do you have the people to run that?  I mean you're going to start a 5'10" QB with very little experice and you don't have any big threats at WR.  Couple that with an inexperienced OL and no proven runner and I just don't see a rosey picture for the ku offense this season.

Maybe Reesing is going to surprise me and play beyond his experience and talent and have a good year and maybe the Henry kid is going to step up and finally give ku the go to receiver they've lacked since the days of Issac Byrd.  Maybe Jake Sharp is going to be the first good white running back ever to play in this league and maybe you're o-line won't have the growing pains most o-lines do when they break in 3 new starters on the interior all at once.  But that is a lot of freaking maybe's and pretty much all those things have to happen for you just to have an average offense.   

August 16, 2007, 12:15:22 PM
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Jon Cornish led the Big 12 in rushing yards and wasn't even taken in the NFL Draft.  That just shows you what can happen if you have a solid o-line and a system that emphasizes the running attack.  Whether it's McAnderson in there on 3rd and short, or Jake Sharp in there on 1st and 10, ku will have depth and talent at running back.  Angus Quigley is every bit of 6'2 215 and would have played a lot last season if it weren't for a season-ending injury.  He's a power back with speed and the ability to catch out of the backfield. 

At o-line, ku doesn't drop off as much as K-State fans would hope.  Travis Dambach was the weakest lineman we had in the starting rotation last year, and he'll be replaced by Chet Hartley, a 6'3 300 lb. guard out of Juco.  Bobby Bowden and Florida State had Hartley as their #1 target at guard, but ku was able to sell the playing close to home pitch.  Then you've got Ryan Cantrell moving back to center, where he started several games in '05.  Cantrell is physically stronger and bigger than Ochoa ever was.  Finally, at the other guard position, ku replaces Bob Whitaker, who might have been a step quicker than a dead man by the time he was done at ku.  Adrian Mayes, a 6'3 305 lb. guard out of Manhattan will likely fill in for Whitaker.  Mayes has been in the program now for 3 years and should already have the system down to a science as well as chemistry with his fellow lineman. 

As for Reesing, short QB's have done just fine in college football.  Heck, just look at Troy Smith.  Look at Chris Leak.  Reesing managed to throw for 3,343 yards and 41 TD's in his senior year of high school.  He also ran for 756 yards and 8 TD's.  If he can have that kind of success at the Texas 5A level, then he should have no problem being a solid QB in the Big 12. 
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August 16, 2007, 12:42:49 PM
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One thing? Mark May is the best in the business, imo.

I hope you're joking. Mark May is a buffoon, and constant critic of Big 12 North teams.

For good reason, the Big 12 North sucks dumbass.


August 16, 2007, 12:44:01 PM
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Hey BMW . . . call us when ku surrounds shorty with Ohio State like talent.


August 16, 2007, 12:49:29 PM
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Chase Daniel at Mizzou has done pretty well for a 5'11 pocket passer.

August 16, 2007, 01:01:16 PM
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Chase Daniel at Mizzou has done pretty well for a 5'11 pocket passer.

Even Reesing might do "well" at MU with Rucker/Coffman/Franklin.

Hell, any 5'11" QB would.....

August 16, 2007, 02:51:21 PM
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Mark May is a buffoon, and constant critic of Big 12 North teams.

You're only one black head coach away from Marky Mark's approval!

Christ, could you be any more racist?
It is a tragedy because now, we have at least an extra month without Cat football until next year. I hate wasting my life away but I can hardly wait until next year.

August 16, 2007, 02:55:13 PM
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" LOL at 39-20 "

LOL at 0 seasons finishing in the top half of the North (0 for 11) Prince 1 for 1

LOL at 0 seasons finishing .500 or better in the conf. (0 for 11) Prince 1 for 1

LOL at tearing down the goalposts after beating dismal Isu to become bowl eligible (beat a top 5 team on national TV... then tearing down goalposts is justified)

LOL at 12-3 two year ago.  Funny because ku once again manage to avoid the endzone in Manhattan (just like every year since 97')