if there is one thing Mark May knows it's OL..

[PowercatPosse]

Chase Daniel and Reesing comparison .... 

Chase Daniel is being talked about as a possible heisman contender for next year.   

Daniel also stands about 8-9 yds deep when he is in the shotgun.   

[The1BigWillie]

One thing? Mark May is the best in the business, imo.

I hope you're joking. Mark May is a buffoon, and constant critic of Big 12 North teams.

You're just mad he bitchslapped Trev off of ESPN. 

[Bennettisgod]

LOL at Bennett's excuses.  Blaming 3.4 ypc on QB's?  WTF?

Look, Cantrell is not proven just because you know of him and want him to be proven.  That is hilarious.

Collins...yes.  Rodriquez...mmm, well, he's very experienced.  Other than that ku has zero "proven" players up front.

LOL at your "if you call '05 OL then you are also saying '06 OL"...no, I didn't and won't because I, unlike you, realize experience and playing together is a key factor in building an OL.

Excuses? You're the one trying to slam the ku Oline, while acting like everything is rosy at KSU.

Do you deny that having a decent, somewhat mobile QB will affect your RB YPC? The offense is a little more predictable when you have an immobile QB with a pretty poor arm and a fear of getting sacked(most of '05 for ku). Cornish would not have the same success under Luke/Barmann last year.

Cantrell was a starter before he got hurt. Not much more I need to say about that. I really don't know what has to make him "proven" in your eyes. Get some video from '05 if you don't think he was any good next to Ochoa.

As for the "experiece and playing together" being a key factor, no doubt. So won't you say that losing Wafford (22 starts) and Frieson (8 starts) will hurt KSU? How about starting a guy with no D1A experience (Alesana) and two others with only 4 career starts each (Robinson and Unruh). Or do key losses at OL only affect programs like ku and NU?

Not many KSU fans I know deny that the Oline is their biggest problem (other than Freeman) heading into the season, so reading your stuff has been fun.

[sonofdaxjones]

It's hard to determine if something is a problem before it's actually put to the test.   So we'll chalk KSU's offensive line up as a potential problem.

What I always find funny is that every year under Mangino, we hear about how this part of the ku team will be good, that part will be good, Bill Young is awesome . . . yet, 11-29 in conference play. 

But ku folks keep chirping about beating KSU, only re-affirming that ku football uses KSU football as its measuring stick.  Beat KSU, and most Squawks are happy.

[Bennettisgod]

That is all fine and good but do you have the people to run that?  I mean you're going to start a 5'10" QB with very little experice and you don't have any big threats at WR.  Couple that with an inexperienced OL and no proven runner and I just don't see a rosey picture for the ku offense this season.

Maybe Reesing is going to surprise me and play beyond his experience and talent and have a good year and maybe the Henry kid is going to step up and finally give ku the go to receiver they've lacked since the days of Issac Byrd.  Maybe Jake Sharp is going to be the first good white running back ever to play in this league and maybe you're o-line won't have the growing pains most o-lines do when they break in 3 new starters on the interior all at once.  But that is a lot of freaking maybe's and pretty much all those things have to happen for you just to have an average offense.   

A very talented 5'10 QB, but definitely inexperienced. I'm not sure how one can deny talent when the guy earns Texas HS POY. And he looked good in limited time last year as a true frosh (even won a game). I don't think there is any doubt that he has a better arm than Meier. ku has plenty of receiving threats, and several of them have lots of experience (Henry, Fields, Herford, Fine and Foster). ku has proven receivers, but no proven runners. But this is nothing new. Mangino has dealt with "running by committee" before, but he never had a trio of Sharp, Quigley and Boyd-Anderson, along with a veteran FB (one of the better blockers on the team). I don't think with the spread offense it will be too hard to generate around 1500+ yards on the ground. With faster, more athletic interior linemen (something Whitaker, Dambach and Cox were not), the running game should be pretty good. Couple that with an improved passing attack, and there's much to be optimistic about.

Do I think ku will win the North? No. But I think this will be a pretty good team (regardless of the bad schedule).

[The Manhatter]

bennett, not sure why you bring up Frieson.  Stringer started 9 games at tackle last season.  Yes, we do lose Wafford but he's the only "starter" we lost.  Frieson started 4 games at LT and 4 games at RT.  Stringer was the starter at RT while Wafford the starter at LT.  And Wafford was a guard who was forced to play tackle.

Bedore and Handy both have 16-17 career starts...but Handy is terrible.  Robinson, Spexarth, Rooker, and Unruh all have experience starting in the interior OL.

ku has one player w/ starting experience for 3 interior OL positions and you say that is not a problem?

I never said anything about Alesana so I'm not sure why you brought him up.  That is one position.  Another beak brought up Hartley so maybe you should discuss Alesana w/ him?

And most KSU fans talk about our OL in terms of comparing it to teams that won 11 games a season for the better part of a decade.  Gee, I wonder why we talk about the OL like that?

Bottom line...KSU ran for 4.0 ypc in Big 12 play and gave up fewer sacks per pass attempts than both ku and NU last year.  Does that mean we arrived as an OL?  Hell no but it was not as bad as ku fans are making it out to be.  It's not like KSU didn't pound Mizzou, Colorado, and Okie State rushing the ball and have a 100 yard rusher against the steel curtain ku defense.  That was an OL in the first year of a new system and w/ a lot of inexperienced players.  What I find to be comical is that ku fans believe they have more talent on their OL just because a bunch of vets in their 5th year under Mangino finally put together something.

[Bennettisgod]

But ku folks keep chirping about beating KSU, only re-affirming that ku football uses KSU football as its measuring stick. 

Forgive me, but aren't there quite a few threads here about ku? Countdowns and such?

Most of the people throwing out "39-20" are probably really young.

I'm only going to post on a rival board when ku is being talked about (which is often around here). I'm probably not as young as most on here, so I definitely wouldn't use KSU as a measuring stick. I watched some awful KSU teams in the '80s. I just think it gets boring talking to the same fans all the time.

[Bennettisgod]

bennett, not sure why you bring up Frieson.  Stringer started 9 games at tackle last season.  Yes, we do lose Wafford but he's the only "starter" we lost.  Frieson started 4 games at LT and 4 games at RT.  Stringer was the starter at RT while Wafford the starter at LT.  And Wafford was a guard who was forced to play tackle.

Bedore and Handy both have 16-17 career starts...but Handy is terrible.  Robinson, Spexarth, Rooker, and Unruh all have experience starting in the interior OL.

ku has one player w/ starting experience for 3 interior OL positions and you say that is not a problem?

I never said anything about Alesana so I'm not sure why you brought him up.  That is one position.  Another beak brought up Hartley so maybe you should discuss Alesana w/ him?

I'm basically pointing out your hypocrisy. ku will struggle because the interior line is doesn't have much on-field experience, but KSU won't even though their tackles are inexperienced? Unruh and Robinson only have four starts each, and Meyer has zero (projected starters according to your Rivals site). KSU has only two OL with more than 9 starts, just like ku. Are you willing to admit that A) things aren't that bad for the ku Oline or B) KSU will struggle trying to replace both other their starting veteran tackles?

[Joker]

Mark May is a buffoon, and constant critic of Big 12 North teams.

You're only one black head coach away from Marky Mark's approval!

Christ, could you be any more racist?

Easy there chief.  I  black people.

[KungFoooKitty]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyrlFGkOPbs

[Bennettisgod]

hmmm...he dogs Clemson and Arkansas' chances as great rushing attacks despite great RB's because, "Clemson only returns one starter on the OL and Arkansas only two."

I wonder if a team a few miles to the East lost a few OL?

ku returns three starters on the OL. Collins is a stud, C Rod has the most starts and Cantrell is coming off an injury from '06. I'd feel a bit more comfortable knowing my team has proven talent then guys with "potential" (or absolutely sucked the year before).

I'm not saying the KSU line will be atrocious like last year, but I wouldn't be too excited just yet.

\but  no Jon Cornish. Your running game will take a dump.

Brandon McAnderson 
Jake Sharp 

If only we had a proven OL...

[GoldbrickGangBoss]

BennettisGod, keep up the dumpster diving.

You're finding gems all over the place.

[waks]

BennettisGod, keep up the dumpster diving.

You're finding gems all over the place.

A little pathetic, isn't it?

[Hawkish]

BennettisGod, keep up the dumpster diving.

You're finding gems all over the place.

I really think you're the dumbest person ever given access to the internet. Congratulations on that feat.

[Hawkish]

By the way, how was Lincoln this weekend with all those excellent players permeating the K-State roster?

[waks]

By the way, how was Lincoln this weekend with all those excellent players permeating the K-State roster?

Goldy is a ku fan.. Don't eat your own young, you have no reason to.