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June 26, 2007, 10:35:51 AM
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My point is that you keep going on and on about the article when all you need to do is say, "I hate it because I'm a huge homer."  Beyond that, there's just nothing to discuss.

OK, stop discussing it.  I don't feel like it, so I think I'll keep on doing it.  Thanks for your help.

June 26, 2007, 10:37:45 AM
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We're actually not discussing the article now.  We're discussing discussion of it.

June 26, 2007, 11:01:12 AM
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I don't understand idiots like Rusty for example who think he's helping somehow by dogging on the guy constantly on message boards that recruits read.

Are you saying I can influence recruits by what I type on a message board, but Ron's idiocy at the Catbacker function in front of 500 people is no big deal?

Sweet. 

COME TO KSU, BROWN BROTHERS!  RON PRINCE IS AWESOME!

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June 26, 2007, 11:06:55 AM
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I mean, really.  I can influence recuits, but Brian Butler is a "lost cause"?

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June 26, 2007, 11:17:04 AM
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COME TO KSU, BROWN BROTHERS!  RON PRINCE IS AWESOME!

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That's a start.

June 26, 2007, 11:17:51 AM
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I mean, really.  I can influence recuits, but Brian Butler is a "lost cause"?

 :lol: :lol: :lol:

You totally miss the point, but then

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June 26, 2007, 11:21:12 AM
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You were trying to make a point?

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June 26, 2007, 11:37:39 AM
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Rusty, by criticizing Ron for making those statements you have, in fact, ruined any chances of KSU landing the Browns.  I hope you're proud of yourself. 

June 26, 2007, 11:40:15 AM
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Should I ban Rusty for hurting our chances with recruits?

June 26, 2007, 11:54:53 AM
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I'm not quite sure what you mean

Let me put it this way.  The reason you dislike the article is because you took it to be negative toward KSU.  It's not due to these peripheral concerns of one-sidedness or any of the other garbage that is being discussed.  You just don't like anything you think is anti-KSU.  Are we in agreement here?

Parts of if may be unfairly negative toward KSU.  But instead of acknowledging both this and also that some of the other criticisms may be fair, you condemn the whole article. 

These things make you come accross as nothing but a huge homer.  And that's why you're getting some of the reactions you are - especially when you pretend that you are not a huge homer by focusing on the peripheral issues.

If your point is that I'm a huge homer, then duh, I am.  I admit I'm a homer.  Are you dense?  I'm a KSU fan.  If this article was about ku, hell no I'm not going to bitch about it.  Let some ku fan bitch about it.  I think it was unfair to KSU and the football program so I bitched about it.  WTF?  By the way, I don't see any of the criticisms in this particular article to be fair.

By the way, I think that Ron Prince might do a very fine job.  That's my opinion.  Why is there something wrong with that?

Look, here's my deal.  If I felt like it was productive to bash a coach or an administrator I'll do it.  I was very outspoken about firing Wooldridge, a year before it happened.  I was outspoken about Wefald giving him a reprieve when he did.  What I don't understand is that some people constantly magnify and bring attention to every little mistake or shortcoming of Ron Prince.  There is NOTHING PRODUCTIVE at this point in time for a KSU fan to do that.  Let the guy go 3-9 this year and then bitch.  I might even be right there with you, but he is not going anywhere for a few years and to be honest I WANT TO WIN.  The guy went to a bowl game and beat #3 Texas in his first season, I truly don't know what you people are thinking.  All bitching about him, making fun of him in any public forum makes his job harder.  Is the guy perfect?  No, but he is young.  He can learn from his mistakes.  I don't understand idiots like Rusty for example who think he's helping somehow by dogging on the guy constantly on message boards that recruits read.  HOW IS THAT HELPING!!!  You can disagree with what he is doing, but send him an e-mail for Christ's sake.  Wait until there is a snowball's chance in hell that he could possibly be fired and then bitch in public.  Anyone that's bitching now, here is what I have to say to them.

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By the way.  I also think that Tim Weiser is doing a good job.  So sue me.

I'm also tired of Deb Patterson, but I really don't give a rat's about women's basketball, so you don't hear me complaing about it.

Christ.  Yes I'm a KSU homer.  Isn't that what a fan is?

pretty good.

you were doing excellent until you gave rusty a cop-out with the "recruits read these boards" crap.  :jerkoff:
It is a tragedy because now, we have at least an extra month without Cat football until next year. I hate wasting my life away but I can hardly wait until next year.

June 26, 2007, 12:02:21 PM
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I think Scub's more general point about not posting something on a message board unless it is productive results in much more self-inflicted damage.

June 26, 2007, 12:07:10 PM
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I think Scub's more general point about not posting something on a message board unless it is productive results in much more self-inflicted damage.

QFT

I want Ron to succeed, BTW.

June 26, 2007, 12:11:42 PM
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June 26, 2007, 12:12:22 PM
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June 26, 2007, 12:13:31 PM
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June 26, 2007, 12:13:56 PM
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Recruits hate kitten pictures.

June 26, 2007, 12:16:02 PM
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June 26, 2007, 12:18:15 PM
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June 26, 2007, 12:24:04 PM
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you were doing excellent until you gave rusty a cop-out with the "recruits read these boards" crap.  :jerkoff:

Michael Beasley's reading it, and his mother, but I'm sure the Brown brothers aren't.

June 26, 2007, 12:28:43 PM
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you were doing excellent until you gave rusty a cop-out with the "recruits read these boards" crap.  :jerkoff:

Michael Beasley's reading it, and his mother, but I'm sure the Brown brothers aren't.

I'm also sure they listen to "Rusty" more than they listen to Brian Butler.

F*CK YOU, BRIAN BUTLER!  DON'T LISTEN TO HIM, BRYCE!  Arthur, "ScubaSteve" cares more about you than Butler does!  Come to KSU!

June 26, 2007, 01:03:28 PM
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you were doing excellent until you gave rusty a cop-out with the "recruits read these boards" crap.  :jerkoff:

Michael Beasley's reading it, and his mother, but I'm sure the Brown brothers aren't.

I'm also sure they listen to "Rusty" more than they listen to Brian Butler.

F*CK YOU, BRIAN BUTLER!  DON'T LISTEN TO HIM, BRYCE!  Arthur, "ScubaSteve" cares more about you than Butler does!  Come to KSU!

I don't give you tha much credit Rusty.  Nearly every post on this board revolves around how Ron Prince is an idiot or has screwed up somehow or will fail miserably.  What did Huggins say about fan support?

There may be a time I turn on Ron Prince, but only an idiot would at this point.  I'm not a rah, rah, "Oh Arthur please come to KSU" guy.  I'm a "Don't listen to these idiots.  Prince is doing a fine job." guy.  By the way, I believe that to be the truth.
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June 26, 2007, 01:16:51 PM
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Then wtf is your point? Who the f said that a coach should go around and explain why he did or didn't choose a recruit?  Are you just making points up so you can retort?  If there's more to the story, then let me have it....what, exactly, is there?  When and where did you talk to Prince or Butler to get more of the scoop?  Otherwise, you have no point, you're just pissed about what Butler said and can't deal with it. 

Waks said Prince should explain why he didn't offer a KS HS kid.  It's back one page.  It is quite simply the dumbest comment in this thread.  If you had read the exchanges on this board, you would know this by now.

I'm not pissed about what Butler said at all.  I'm entertained by the tards on this board going stircrazy every time someone says something questioning the sacred cows (that's Butler and JMart).

Personally I think Butler is just using hyperbole to draw attention to himself and his efforts.  Happens all the time and isn't a big deal at all.  Prince's comments about JMart are even less of a deal.  His comments about Butler also aren't going to have a real impact.

And I'm the one pointing out that there is quite likely a ton of unknowns to all the folks that have entered suicide watch after Prince jabbed a Wichita handler at a Catbacker event.

Here's a question for Scuba and KSU4ME:

If Butler is irrelevant, why have you two combined for over thirty posts in a thread about a journalist not asking Butler the right questions?

I'm not posting about Butler/JMart as much as I am the tards on this board going ballistic whenever those two are questioned.  It's prime entertainment. 

Have you figured out why you're so worked up over the issue given that you don't even know what impact Prince's words have had on Butler (your own admission)?

BTW, this is some high-quality ass kissing:

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“Pete Carroll said he’s the best linebacker that he’s seen in seven years,” Butler said. “Bob Stoops said he’s going to win the Butkus Award two times.”

And the butt that got kissed was Brown's.....not Butlers. 


I missed your responses to the above, KSU4ME.

3. Do you attack anyone who dares question something a Wichita Reporter or Wichita "handler" does? <-- The criteria that puts Rusty, Waks and yourself firmly in the tard bucket.  Like I said, your behavior is exactly the same as a Powertard, it's just a different subject that sets you off.  Tard is as tard does, and you're all over it.

Here's your answers:

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A piece on a particular person's thoughts on a particular issue is not the same as a piece on that issue in general.

You questioned if it was an article about "the recruitment of Kansas grads by Kansas universities" and that's exactly what it was. 

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The value of regurgitating other's words without any analysis or additional relevant facts.  (Yes, that is a serious response.)

Well, that's stupid, and isn't what Martin does.  Even in the Butler article he included quite a few relevant facts that didn't come from quotes.  I can't believe you actually posted that.

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link?

http://www.kansas.com/248/story/95031.html 

Lots of sources, all sorts of peripheral facts, great article.

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Can you give some examples of other notebooks that were followed up on or included additional relevant facts/analysis?  Or else tell me why this one should be treated differently.

Never said a previous one did, as for a reason why there should be more on this story, I would say that the recruitment of Brown is something of major interest to KSU fans, and Martin is the KSU beat writer for Brown's hometown.  If Martin wrote another story on the subject, don't you think it would be widely read and extensively commented on here?

Have you read this message board and J-Marts blog?  It's a subject with quite a bit of interest.
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June 26, 2007, 01:19:10 PM
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you were doing excellent until you gave rusty a cop-out with the "recruits read these boards" crap.  :jerkoff:

Michael Beasley's reading it, and his mother, but I'm sure the Brown brothers aren't.

I'm also sure they listen to "Rusty" more than they listen to Brian Butler.

F*CK YOU, BRIAN BUTLER!  DON'T LISTEN TO HIM, BRYCE!  Arthur, "ScubaSteve" cares more about you than Butler does!  Come to KSU!

I don't give you tha much credit Rusty.  Nearly every post on this board revolves around how Ron Prince is an idiot or has screwed up somehow or will fail miserably.  What did Huggins say about fan support?

There may be a time I turn on Ron Prince, but only an idiot would at this point.  I'm not a rah, rah, "Oh Arthur please come to KSU" guy.  I'm a "Don't listen to these idiots.  Prince is doing a fine job." guy.  By the way, I believe that to be the truth.

Who's turned on Ron Prince?  I sure as crap haven't.  That doesn't mean I won't criticize him when I think he deserves it.

I think bowl games (any) 3 out of 4 years should be plenty for a KSU football coach to keep his job.

And Ron went way beyond anything Wooly did in just one year.

It's awesome.

Glad Prince has balls (unlike some fans & other coaches).

I think the different color shirts in practice does so. 

I don't remember hearing about that in the media.

I think Meier was definitely held more responsible for his mistakes then Freeman ever was.  No way does Meier stay in the ku game as long as Freeman does.

A freshman should be given more leeway than a 5th year senior.  As for the ku game, when do you pull Freeman?  Down by a touchdown in the 4th?

June 26, 2007, 01:26:03 PM
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I'm not pissed about what Butler said at all.  I'm entertained by the tards on this board going stircrazy every time someone says something questioning the sacred cows (that's Butler and JMart).

Not surprisingly, you still don't get it.  I don't have a problem with criticism of Butler or Martin from posters on this board at all.  I have said (in this thread, mind you) that Butler has an agenda and Martin should have asked more questions about KSU's recruitment of Kansas players.  I don't even have a problem with Prince making fun of Martin, (even though it was silly).

I have a problem with Prince mocking Butler and letting their relationship deteriorate to that point and the notion that Ron Prince should be immune from criticism.

June 26, 2007, 01:34:32 PM
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Not surprisingly, you still don't get it.  I don't have a problem with criticism of Butler or Martin from posters on this board at all.  I have said (in this thread, mind you) that Butler has an agenda and Martin should have asked more questions about KSU's recruitment of Kansas players.  I don't even have a problem with Prince making fun of Martin, (even though it was silly).

Then we agree.


I have a problem with Prince mocking Butler and letting their relationship deteriorate to that point and the notion that Ron Prince should be immune from criticism.

You have no idea what their relationship is and of course Prince shouldn't be immune from criticism.  Send him an e-mail.  Maybe he'll leak you a response and then we'll all know what the deal is.  He isn't going to tell Jeffrey Martin, that's for sure.

June 26, 2007, 01:36:27 PM
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You have no idea what their relationship is and of course Prince shouldn't be immune from criticism. 

Actually, he gave a pretty good indication at the Wichita Catbacker event.

June 26, 2007, 01:40:53 PM
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You have no idea what their relationship is and of course Prince shouldn't be immune from criticism. 

Actually, he gave a pretty good indication at the Wichita Catbacker event.

Change your mind on the e-mail Rusty?   :lol:

June 26, 2007, 01:44:07 PM
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You have no idea what their relationship is and of course Prince shouldn't be immune from criticism. 

Actually, he gave a pretty good indication at the Wichita Catbacker event.

Change your mind on the e-mail Rusty?   :lol:

Nope, it's sent.  I figured he (and recruits) would know it's me sending the email.

I guess my veil of secrecy is gone, now.

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June 26, 2007, 01:45:15 PM
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3. Do you attack anyone who dares question something a Wichita Reporter or Wichita "handler" does? <-- The criteria that puts Rusty, Waks and yourself firmly in the tard bucket.  Like I said, your behavior is exactly the same as a Powertard, it's just a different subject that sets you off.  Tard is as tard does, and you're all over it.

You've missed the mark here.  My focus is almost always homers.  Jeff Martin, Ron Prince, and Brian Butler are all incidental for me.  I just jump in where the homers do.

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A piece on a particular person's thoughts on a particular issue is not the same as a piece on that issue in general.

You questioned if it was an article about "the recruitment of Kansas grads by Kansas universities" and that's exactly what it was.

No, it was an article about Brian Butler and/or Arthur Brown.  Whatever the exact topic is, it is much, much smaller than the recruitment of Kansas grads by Kansas universities.  That topic is really much too large to tackle in a newspaper article, don't you think? 

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The value of regurgitating other's words without any analysis or additional relevant facts.  (Yes, that is a serious response.)

Well, that's stupid, and isn't what Martin does.  Even in the Butler article he included quite a few relevant facts that didn't come from quotes.  I can't believe you actually posted that.

There is a lot of value in it.  And reporters do it literally all of the time.  I'm afraid that you're just wrong.

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http://www.kansas.com/248/story/95031.html 

Lots of sources, all sorts of peripheral facts, great article.

Let's just cut the BS.  You like it because it makes you feel good about KSU.

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Can you give some examples of other notebooks that were followed up on or included additional relevant facts/analysis?  Or else tell me why this one should be treated differently.

Never said a previous one did, as for a reason why there should be more on this story, I would say that the recruitment of Brown is something of major interest to KSU fans, and Martin is the KSU beat writer for Brown's hometown.  If Martin wrote another story on the subject, don't you think it would be widely read and extensively commented on here?

Have you read this message board and J-Marts blog?  It's a subject with quite a bit of interest.

There are plenty of stories other than Arthur Brown that are of major interest.  That's not what makes this different.  People are getting bent out of shape due to an article that they perceive to be negative.

June 26, 2007, 02:05:52 PM
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Not surprisingly, you still don't get it.  I don't have a problem with criticism of Butler or Martin from posters on this board at all.  I have said (in this thread, mind you) that Butler has an agenda and Martin should have asked more questions about KSU's recruitment of Kansas players.  I don't even have a problem with Prince making fun of Martin, (even though it was silly).

I have a problem with Prince mocking Butler and letting their relationship deteriorate to that point and the notion that Ron Prince should be immune from criticism.

You're the one on record saying you don't know what impact it had, but you're still upset about it.  That's what I find hilarious.  No clue what the situation is, how it's changed, etc. but it still pisses you off.

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