Perhaps I've been wrong about Jeff Martin....

[ksuno1stunner]

BTW, is Frank the most hated player never to have worn the "purple and silver" ever?

[PurpleReign]

BTW, is Frank the most hated player never to have worn the "purple and silver" ever?

Hell yes he is.  He might have f'd us with the Brown bros because he and his friends can't deal with the fact that he isn't good enough.

[waks]

No, I'd probably say that title belongs to Sirr Parker.

[ksuno1stunner]

No, I'd probably say that title belongs to Sir Parker.

KSU recruits.

[PurpleReign]

Didn't Frank walk-on anyways?  I think he had scholly offers from like Tulsa.  He must really want to play at KSU.  I just don't get how the Brown's could be so upset about KSU not offering Frank when they offered his half-brother Tysyn Hartman.  Its not like Prince was holding a grudge, he was just doing his job.

[FBWillie]

WhAT!?!?!?!   Why the &@#% would anyone be pissed at Frank?   Is he in the media bitching about not getting a scholly.  Have we heard reports about the Brown Bro's   DIRECTLY FROM the Brown Bro's that they now hate KSU because of Frank not getting a scholly.


I love Frank.  I love kids that love a school and want to play for a school so badly that they pass up playing at other places to walk onto a program. 

Butler's still the asshole in this situation. 

[waks]

WhAT!?!?!?!   Why the &*$@! would anyone be pissed at Frank?   Is he in the media bitching about not getting a scholly.  Have we heard reports about the Brown Bro's   DIRECTLY FROM the Brown Bro's that they now hate KSU because of Frank not getting a scholly.


I love Frank.  I love kids that love a school and want to play for a school so badly that they pass up playing at other places to walk onto a program. 

Butler's still the asshole in this situation. 

I'm sure it was kind of a joke..

[FBWillie]

damnit, I leave town for 3 days, and my &@#%in sarcasm meter needs adjusted.

[ScubaSteve]

Prince shouldn't have to explain anything to Butler.  Prince not offering Delarue should tell Butler everything he needs to know about how Prince feels about Delarue.  

This isn't the first time that Prince has snubbed Butler, he also did by not showing up to the Brown workouts when everyone else was there, he obviously knows more about the situation than any of us.  I'm sure he wants to be in the Brown's good graces but that may not be possible, only Prince and Butler know that.

This could be the best post in this thread.

[KSU4ME]

This place is slowly starting to make PowertardCentral look comparatively sane.  The video productions are the saving grace. 

LOL at make this statement and then quoting Rusty for being a supposed Powertard. Wow.

I never quoted Rusty as a supposed powertard.  I made a comparison between the two sites, and the dementia is similar, but focused differently.  If that doesn't make sense to you, please cease reading my posts.

[waks]

This place is slowly starting to make PowertardCentral look comparatively sane.  The video productions are the saving grace. 

LOL at make this statement and then quoting Rusty for being a supposed Powertard. Wow.

I never quoted Rusty as a supposed powertard.  I made a comparison between the two sites, and the dementia is similar, but focused differently.  If that doesn't make sense to you, please cease reading my posts.

LOL @ you saying anyone's dementia is distorted when you're the one that finds no problem with Prince mocking Brian Butler when he holds the key to almost all Wichita area recruits.

[ScubaSteve]

Somewhere along the line Jeffrey Martin got of the hook in this thread... that sneaky Prince-hater.

[catzacker]

Prince shouldn't have to explain anything to Butler.  Prince not offering Delarue should tell Butler everything he needs to know about how Prince feels about Delarue.  

This isn't the first time that Prince has snubbed Butler, he also did by not showing up to the Brown workouts when everyone else was there, he obviously knows more about the situation than any of us.  I'm sure he wants to be in the Brown's good graces but that may not be possible, only Prince and Butler know that.

This could be the best post in this thread.

How, exactly?  If your point is that Prince knows more about this situation then us, then fine, I guess.  Although every thread on any topic related to football could just be stopped with "Prince knows more about this than us" and we could spend less time on here and more time jogging and working out on a bowflex.  I'm sure Terry Allen knew more about ku football than us.  

[ScubaSteve]

LOL @ you saying anyone's dementia is distorted when you're the one that finds no problem with Prince mocking Brian Butler when he holds the key to almost all Wichita area recruits.

This remains to be seen.

[KSU4ME]

I guarantee you Bob Stoops can kiss a 5 star 17 year old's ass (or handler's ass) with the best of them.  Snyder, too.  Obviously, a winning track record will get you further, but Ron doesn't exactly have that luxury, does he?

That's just poor wording on my part.  I'm trying to say they need to be on the same page.  They need to have a good relationship...at least good enough too prevent Butler from spouting falsehoods to the media.  Prince should have already known about Butler's issue with DeLarue, explained his reasoning for not extending an offer, address any other concerns Butler has with KSU recruiting, tell him to call him at any time with any future concerns, and ask that it not be discussed in the media.

Jesus Christ, I can't read Butler's mind.  All I know is that Prince came off as a dick.  So, I would think that if Butler was telling kids that "KSU's coach neglects Kansas recruits" before the comments, he would now tell them that "KSU's dickhead of a coach neglects Kansas recruits".  Maybe he already thought Prince was a dickhead before the Catbacker event.  In that case, it probably had little impact.

Even if all your nonsense is true, why risk it?  Ron needs to keep his mouth shut and work on improving ties with Butler.

Obviously you place a high value on butt kissing.  I'm sure it's served you well.  Next time you see Snyder, mention to him your theory that butt kissing is what turned around the program at KSU.

Prince is working on developing his track record, and we'll see if it's a winning one or not.  Right now he recruits on the opportunities afforded by a program trying to re-establish itself.  And as for having a good relationship with Butler, now you're finally on to something, but clearly haven't thought it through.  If it's a relationship you want to see, then you can't blame 1 party for it not happening, especially when the other party is the one spouting utter falsehoods.  You say you can't read Butler's mind, but seem awfully convinced that you've read Prince's and know exactly what he has and hasn't done in regards to Butler.  Try objectivity and logic. 

Your reaction to this whole deal is so powertardish in it's simplistic and assumptive nature it's nauseating.  You come off sounding like a little child throwing a temper tantrum. 

Prince made a comment at a Catbacker event, and you don't know what impact it had.  Yet you're all worked up over it.  It's hilarious.  What's even funnier is the reaction of the other tards on here about Prince's comments towards Martin.  I guess the tards on here think a coach jabbing a media guy at an alumni event is a rare event.  Insanely low sportsIQ in these parts.

If I had to guess, Butler doesn't give a single @#%* about Prince's comment, and it has no material effect on their relationship. 

[ScubaSteve]

I guarantee you Bob Stoops can kiss a 5 star 17 year old's ass (or handler's ass) with the best of them.  Snyder, too.  Obviously, a winning track record will get you further, but Ron doesn't exactly have that luxury, does he?

That's just poor wording on my part.  I'm trying to say they need to be on the same page.  They need to have a good relationship...at least good enough too prevent Butler from spouting falsehoods to the media.  Prince should have already known about Butler's issue with DeLarue, explained his reasoning for not extending an offer, address any other concerns Butler has with KSU recruiting, tell him to call him at any time with any future concerns, and ask that it not be discussed in the media.

Jesus Christ, I can't read Butler's mind.  All I know is that Prince came off as a dick.  So, I would think that if Butler was telling kids that "KSU's coach neglects Kansas recruits" before the comments, he would now tell them that "KSU's dickhead of a coach neglects Kansas recruits".  Maybe he already thought Prince was a dickhead before the Catbacker event.  In that case, it probably had little impact.

Even if all your nonsense is true, why risk it?  Ron needs to keep his mouth shut and work on improving ties with Butler.

Obviously you place a high value on butt kissing.  I'm sure it's served you well.  Next time you see Snyder, mention to him your theory that butt kissing is what turned around the program at KSU.

Prince is working on developing his track record, and we'll see if it's a winning one or not.  Right now he recruits on the opportunities afforded by a program trying to re-establish itself.  And as for having a good relationship with Butler, now you're finally on to something, but clearly haven't thought it through.  If it's a relationship you want to see, then you can't blame 1 party for it not happening, especially when the other party is the one spouting utter falsehoods.  You say you can't read Butler's mind, but seem awfully convinced that you've read Prince's and know exactly what he has and hasn't done in regards to Butler.  Try objectivity and logic. 

Your reaction to this whole deal is so powertardish in it's simplistic and assumptive nature it's nauseating.  You come off sounding like a little child throwing a temper tantrum. 

Prince made a comment at a Catbacker event, and you don't know what impact it had.  Yet you're all worked up over it.  It's hilarious.  What's even funnier is the reaction of the other tards on here about Prince's comments towards Martin.  I guess the tards on here think a coach jabbing a media guy at an alumni event is a rare event.  Insanely low sportsIQ in these parts.

If I had to guess, Butler doesn't give a single @#%* about Prince's comment, and it has no material effect on their relationship. 

[ScubaSteve]

Now I'm convinced that you have no idea what a powertard is. Can someone please post the test in this thread in order to help KSU4ME (typical handle that a powertard would choose btw). Thanks.

I would be the Powertard in this instance.  The problem is, everyone is a powertard at one time or another.  It's laughable that most of you think you are above it somehow.

[konofo]

This could be the best post in this thread.

I locked up that honor on page 1.  Anyone seriously sticking to this ridiculous topic is disqualified.

kono

[KSU4ME]

How freaking stupid are you?  If the relationship is/was damaged, how does taking shots at Butler help repair, in any way, that critical relationship?  You're right, the comment doesn't change squat and that is sad; Prince should be trying to reconcile/repair that relationship.  And as far as recruiting and Butler, we aren't just talking about the Brown brothers, we're talking about all the other kids that will be attracted to Butler because of what he will be able to do for the Browns and Harper. 

How the hell do you think Prince is going to get to the long term (i.e. winning)?  The term "kissing ass" is semantics.  It doesn't mean you bend over backwards, but it does mean that you pretty much do what you can to make them "happy" knowing that in the future you'll be able to have some leverage/advantage over other people trying to recruit "Butler's kids".  It's called establishing a relationship, and by Prince's comments and Butler's comments, he hasn't been able to establish this key relationship. 

Never said it helped, and certainly pointed out that it didn't.  Please let me know if you were unable to gather that from my comment:  "That's the biggest reason I don't get Prince's comments, and think they were all together non-constructive.  He could have simply trotted out facts and left the personal jabs out."

Now you're running off guessing about the future of what Butler will do.  Kind of funny.  For all you know the Browns will go against Butler's advice wherever they go, and Butler will have to sit for another half decade for another truly national talent to arrive in Wichita.

One thing that is certain.  Butler is not going to make or break any program in the long term. 

As for the relationship, why do you assume it's one way?  Why do you assume you know the whole history?   You've read one "notebook" during which the reporter chose not to ask any tough questions, and have one quote from a Catbacker event.  Do you realize that the odds are that you don't know the overwhelming majority of the facts in this matter? 

But by all means, get bent out of shape and throw a fit over it.  It's what tards do.

 

[doom]

I haven't bean wrong about Jmart.  He's the devil!

[catzacker]

How freaking stupid are you?  If the relationship is/was damaged, how does taking shots at Butler help repair, in any way, that critical relationship?  You're right, the comment doesn't change squat and that is sad; Prince should be trying to reconcile/repair that relationship.  And as far as recruiting and Butler, we aren't just talking about the Brown brothers, we're talking about all the other kids that will be attracted to Butler because of what he will be able to do for the Browns and Harper. 

How the hell do you think Prince is going to get to the long term (i.e. winning)?  The term "kissing ass" is semantics.  It doesn't mean you bend over backwards, but it does mean that you pretty much do what you can to make them "happy" knowing that in the future you'll be able to have some leverage/advantage over other people trying to recruit "Butler's kids".  It's called establishing a relationship, and by Prince's comments and Butler's comments, he hasn't been able to establish this key relationship. 

Never said it helped, and certainly pointed out that it didn't.  Please let me know if you were unable to gather that from my comment:  "That's the biggest reason I don't get Prince's comments, and think they were all together non-constructive.  He could have simply trotted out facts and left the personal jabs out."

Now you're running off guessing about the future of what Butler will do.  Kind of funny.  For all you know the Browns will go against Butler's advice wherever they go, and Butler will have to sit for another half decade for another truly national talent to arrive in Wichita.

One thing that is certain.  Butler is not going to make or break any program in the long term. 

As for the relationship, why do you assume it's one way?  Why do you assume you know the whole history?   You've read one "notebook" during which the reporter chose not to ask any tough questions, and have one quote from a Catbacker event.  Do you realize that the odds are that you don't know the overwhelming majority of the facts in this matter? 

But by all means, get bent out of shape and throw a fit over it.  It's what tards do. 

I enjoy that it's your side of the story which is correct, not the documented side of it. 

[KSU4ME]

Sorry; I'm a bit behind as I was out of town all weekend... but reading through this, I keep coming back to one question... Why is any of this being hung on Jeffrey Martin?  When did it become his job to defend Coach Prince?  If there is a problem with Prince's image, Prince needs to handle it; and handle it in a way that doesn't make him sound like he's attacking anyone. 

As far as the whole butler/kansas recruits/prince issue.  I really don't think any of you are capable of reading between the lines.  Butler's #1 goal is to get Kansas Kids Recruited.  He's going to say anything possible to get more kids recruited; regardless of them being true or not.  He probably feels that way because not enough of his kids are taken.  He wants all of them to get scholarships.  Kind of like every father thinks their kid should have the ball in their hands every play; then verbally attacks to little league coach for not doing so.   

The J-Mart thing is simple.  When someone says something as obviously inaccurate as Butler's comments, it should get questioned and/or clarified.  If Prince were to say tomorrow that he offered Delarue, do you think J-Mart would just print it  (notebook or otherwise) without any question or offering other relevant facts?  I'm quite doubtful.

If J-Mart knows anything about Prince's recruiting, he knows that questionable talent has been offered scholarships in the state of Kansas.  It is possible that J-Mart doesn't know this, but here again, I'm doubtful.  He reads this board, he knows the frustrations folks have expressed over some of the kids offered.

I don't know what Butler's #1 goal is, but it wouldn't surprise me if he wasn't all about the kids.

[KSU4ME]

Now I'm convinced that you have no idea what a powertard is. Can someone please post the test in this thread in order to help KSU4ME (typical handle that a powertard would choose btw). Thanks.

I know quite well what a powertard is, and have read the test.  Re-post it, and I'll rephrase the questions to exactly describe the tardish behavior here whenever Martin or Butler comes up as a topic.  I'm not saying you and Rusty are powertards...I'm saying you're tards.  Different species of the same cat, but still tards. 

LOL @ you saying anyone's dementia is distorted when you're the one that finds no problem with Prince mocking Brian Butler when he holds the key to almost all Wichita area recruits.

And please let me know where I said I had no problem with Prince's comments.  On page 2 I clearly explained my frustration with Prince's comments.  As I've done in other threads on this subject.

Butler is the key holder to almost all Wichita area recruits....More tardish behavior.

I enjoy that it's your side of the story which is correct, not the documented side of it. 

If you've read my posts, you'll see that I'm the one pointing out that there is likely more to this story than a J-Mart Notebook and a Catbacker meeting.  It's the tards on this board that have turned this into the defining moment of KSU football and launched into full blown tardrage.  By themselves that documents two things:

1.  Butler is spouting ridiculous tripe about Prince/KSU's recruitment of Kansas kids
2.  Prince made bizarre comments in reference to the above

Everything I've said synchs up perfectly with that.

I especially like the idea that football coaches need to go around and personally explain why the didn't offer players scholarships.  I hear that's what they do at all the big time programs.  That's genius. 

Perhaps you can start compiling the list of Kansas HS football players Prince hasn't offered, and he can start holding press conferences daily until he's explained them all.

[catzacker]

I enjoy that it's your side of the story which is correct, not the documented side of it. 

If you've read my posts, you'll see that I'm the one pointing out that there is likely more to this story than a J-Mart Notebook and a Catbacker meeting.  It's the tards on this board that have turned this into the defining moment of KSU football and launched into full blown tardrage.  By themselves that documents two things:

1.  Butler is spouting ridiculous tripe about Prince/KSU's recruitment of Kansas kids
2.  Prince made bizarre comments in reference to the above

Everything I've said synchs up perfectly with that.

I especially like the idea that football coaches need to go around and personally explain why the didn't offer players scholarships.  I hear that's what they do at all the big time programs.  That's genius. 

Perhaps you can start compiling the list of Kansas HS football players Prince hasn't offered, and he can start holding press conferences daily until he's explained them all.

It doesn't matter how ridiculous Butler's opinions are, the point is he has them.  I personally don't think that what he has said has any validity to them when you look at the "facts", but again, it doesn't matter.  I'm sure there is more to the story than what Butler said, but when you look at what actually happened and what has actually been said, you're making some kind of claim that can't be supported by anything except some powertard logic that your coach can never, ever do anything wrong and KSU is always the victim. 

I'm basing my opinon on what's been stated and what has occurred thus far.  I never said Prince couldn't ever establish a relationship with Butler; just that he hasn't because if he had one, I dont think Butler makes those comments, or if he does, he says something like "but Prince is working to change all of that".

[KSU4ME]

It doesn't matter how ridiculous Butler's opinions are, the point is he has them.  I personally don't think that what he has said has any validity to them when you look at the "facts", but again, it doesn't matter.  I'm sure there is more to the story than what Butler said, but when you look at what actually happened and what has actually been said, you're making some kind of claim that can't be supported by anything except some powertard logic that your coach can never, ever do anything wrong and KSU is always the victim. 

I'm basing my opinon on what's been stated and what has occurred thus far.  I never said Prince couldn't ever establish a relationship with Butler; just that he hasn't because if he had one, I dont think Butler makes those comments, or if he does, he says something like "but Prince is working to change all of that".

I'm starting to question if you can read at a third grade level.  I've repeatedly expressed my concerns over what Prince did say, and what I think he should have said.  Your inability to process that and include it in your responses is mind boggling, and is quintessential tard behavior.  You have your mind made up, and can't respond to a person's points, all you can do is post over and over again your own point.  Hilarity.

What claim did I make that is unsupported by the notebook and Catbacker event? 

I love the assumptions you make in the last sentence.  Were you consciously aware of the assumptions you made? 

[catzacker]

It doesn't matter how ridiculous Butler's opinions are, the point is he has them.  I personally don't think that what he has said has any validity to them when you look at the "facts", but again, it doesn't matter.  I'm sure there is more to the story than what Butler said, but when you look at what actually happened and what has actually been said, you're making some kind of claim that can't be supported by anything except some powertard logic that your coach can never, ever do anything wrong and KSU is always the victim. 

I'm basing my opinon on what's been stated and what has occurred thus far.  I never said Prince couldn't ever establish a relationship with Butler; just that he hasn't because if he had one, I dont think Butler makes those comments, or if he does, he says something like "but Prince is working to change all of that".

I'm starting to question if you can read at a third grade level.  I've repeatedly expressed my concerns over what Prince did say, and what I think he should have said.  Your inability to process that and include it in your responses is mind boggling, and is quintessential tard behavior.  You have your mind made up, and can't respond to a person's points, all you can do is post over and over again your own point.  Hilarity.

What claim did I make that is unsupported by the notebook and Catbacker event? 

I love the assumptions you make in the last sentence.  Were you consciously aware of the assumptions you made? 

Then wtf is your point? Who the f said that a coach should go around and explain why he did or didn't choose a recruit?  Are you just making points up so you can retort?  If there's more to the story, then let me have it....what, exactly, is there?  When and where did you talk to Prince or Butler to get more of the scoop?  Otherwise, you have no point, you're just pissed about what Butler said and can't deal with it. 

[michigancat]

Here's a question for Scuba and KSU4ME:

If Butler is irrelevant, why have you two combined for over thirty posts in a thread about a journalist not asking Butler the right questions?

[michigancat]

BTW, this is some high-quality ass kissing:

“Pete Carroll said he’s the best linebacker that he’s seen in seven years,” Butler said. “Bob Stoops said he’s going to win the Butkus Award two times.”

[PurpleReign]

After Bryce Brown leaves Wichita, will Brian Butler even matter?  Sure, Prince could have been the bigger man and not said anything about how he recruits, but the man can do what he wants.  After the Brown brothers leave Wichita, Butler has absolutely no leverage on any school what so ever.  Every prospect in Wichita is going to be a 2*,3*, or maybe an occasional 4* but none are going to be nationally saught after recruits, and none are going to be as close to Butler as the Brown brothers.  I don't believe that future kids are going to listen to this guy simply because of his name association with Bryce and Arthur.  Prospects like that come through Wichita once every 10 years and in 10 years Brian Butler will be irrelevant.

[michigancat]

After Bryce Brown leaves Wichita, will Brian Butler even matter?  Sure, Prince could have been the bigger man and not said anything about how he recruits, but the man can do what he wants.  After the Brown brothers leave Wichita, Butler has absolutely no leverage on any school what so ever.  Every prospect in Wichita is going to be a 2*,3*, or maybe an occasional 4* but none are going to be nationally saught after recruits, and none are going to be as close to Butler as the Brown brothers.  I don't believe that future kids are going to listen to this guy simply because of his name association with Bryce and Arthur.  Prospects like that come through Wichita once every 10 years and in 10 years Brian Butler will be irrelevant.

If the Butlers go to Florida and USC and say, win a Butkus and a Doak Walker award, you can bet your ass that every football player in Wichita will be lining up to be trained by Butler.  While we won't always have competition from the elite programs, we'll always have to compete with schools like OSU, Mizzou, and ku for the Rashad Washington type players that come out of Wichita quite often.  Butler could do good things for kids, and in turn do good things for KSU.  That being said, F*ck him.  Ron doesn't need help.