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if not this year, when? :kstatriot:
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Yes
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No, b/c Nebraska has a legit shot this year. Plus our south schedule sux :frown:
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No, b/c Nebraska has a legit shot this year. Plus our south schedule sux :frown:
oh my god the excuses never end!!!
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Mangino's first/last best chance to prove 2007 wasn't a fluke.
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No, b/c Nebraska has a legit shot this year. Plus our south schedule sux :frown:
oh my god the excuses never end!!!
KSUFans.com :lol:
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No, b/c Nebraska has a legit shot this year. Plus our south schedule sux :frown:
oh my god the excuses never end!!!
KSUFans.com :lol:
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It's NU's to lose, dude.
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No, b/c Nebraska has a legit shot this year. Plus our south schedule sux :frown:
oh my god the excuses never end!!!
KSUFans.com :lol:
Hey, be nice to Cire. Kstatefans was a damn good board. Granted that was before they sold out to Scout. Probably a bit before most of your times, though.
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Reesing's senior year in a bad north division?
Yes.
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Sorry for the OT.
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They should just move to the Missouri Valley, Mountain West, or C-USA imo.
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It's NU's to lose, dude.
Who is their QB? Greg Paulus?
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It's NU's to lose, dude.
Who is their QB? Greg Paulus?
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Some stiff. No chance ku doesn't win north. If they fail this time, totally verifies the fluke label the rest of the country is using.
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It's awesome how much that '07 season still bothers K-State fans.
(http://pbrown16.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/ku-orange-bowl-win.jpg)
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kufufn . . . ku fluke until further notice.
Mark Mangino . . . 1 season above .500 in conference play.
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Yeah, because ku '07 and ku '08 were the exact same team. Nevermind the fact that ku lost 5 NFL draft picks along with a 1,000 yard rusher. Oh, and last but not least.... 52-21.
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Yeah, because ku '07 and ku '08 were the exact same team. Nevermind the fact that ku lost 5 NFL draft picks along with a 1,000 yard rusher.
Oh, and last but not least.... 52-21.
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People are saying ku will win the north and you are all :curse:?
It isn't KSU fans who came up with the fluke moniker, it is the rest of the country. Don't be so sensitive. :crybaby:
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Wut
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So basically ku was back to being the "no better than mediocre" football program that ku has pretty much always been.
Thus 2007 . . . kuflukeuntilfurthernotice.
This isn't that hard . . . but Captain Meltdown always makes it that way.
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20 wins in two years. 11-5 Big 12 record. Back-to-back bowl wins. Yeah, just "mediocrity" as usual here in Lawrence.
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Only 1 season above .500 in conference play for Mangino, and that 1 season (77 SOS regular season) ku only plays one ranked team during the regular season . . . and lost.
Captain Meltdown . . . embrace the reality of the fluke season and hope that ku changes that paradigm. ku had a fluke season in 1995 as well, enjoy them when they happen, because they don't happen often.
Thus Mangino's first/last chance to prove 2007 wasn't a fluke is this year.
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Only 1 season above .500 in conference play for Mangino, and that 1 season (77 SOS regular season) ku only plays one ranked team during the regular season . . . and lost.
Captain Meltdown . . . embrace the reality of the fluke season and hope that ku changes that paradigm. ku had a fluke season in 1995 as well, enjoy them when they happen, because they don't happen often.
Thus Mangino's first/last chance to prove 2007 wasn't a fluke is this year.
Failure in '09 should be grounds for Mango's termination. All the monies pumped into the program, the accepted practice of cheating, the accepted practice of criminal behavior by the players, Big Lew's influence peddling, and on and on and on. Coaching nirvana.
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Mangino isn't exactly mr. popular inside the ku athletic department.
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Again, for the delusional (aka 'Pad):
20 wins in two years. 11-5 Big 12 record. Back-to-back bowl wins. National Coach of the Year. Top 20 NFL draft pick. The accomplishments just go on and on. As I also pointed out, the '07 team and '08 team were DIFFERENT teams. ku lost five NFL draft picks along with a 1,000 yard rusher from the '07 squad.
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1999 KSU team lost 12 starters from '98 and went 11-1 :dunno:
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1 season over .500 for Mangino in conference play.
Nothing more needs to be said, maybe 2009 will be the 2nd year for Mangino finishing above .500 in the conference.
No need to keep validating and re-validating one season Captain Meltdown . . . look forward to the possibility of ku putting the 2007 fluke moniker behind them.
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1999 KSU team lost 12 starters from '98 and went 11-1 :dunno:
You had more talent and your program was in better shape. Congratulations. Who was the recruiting coordinator for those teams, BTW?
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Joe Bob
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1 season over .500 for Mangino in conference play.
Nothing more needs to be said, maybe 2009 will be the 2nd year for Mangino finishing above .500 in the conference.
No need to keep validating and re-validating one season Captain Meltdown . . . look forward to the possibility of ku putting the 2007 fluke moniker behind them.
Pfffffffttttttt.... Because everyone expected Mangino and ku to just dominate the Big 12 from '02-'06.... Hilarious how much the '07 season is still killing you.
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Mangino's role as "recruiting coordinator" at K-State may be one of the most overrated discussion points in college football history.
It's hilarious that you can't just accept that until further notice 2007 was a fluke . . . the very next season 4-4 in the Big 12 . . . and I am not, nor is anybody saying that ku should have "dominated" the Big 12 at any time. We all know that ku pulls off a fluke season now and again . . . like 2007 for example.
If ku goes 7-1 in conference this year, we'll know that 2007 wasn't a fluke.
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You're not making any sense at all, as usual. The '07 season and '08 season featured two different teams with different personnel and a different schedule. Just admit that the 12-1 Orange Bowl season is still killing you. Just admit that the fact ku is the favorite to win the North in '09 is already killing you. TIA.
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missouri being a complete f*cking powerhouse kills us. :-[ :-[ :-[
ku being a complete non-player in the big 12 doesn't even show up on the radar.
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You're not making any sense at all, as usual. The '07 season and '08 season featured two different teams with different personnel and a different schedule. Just admit that the 12-1 Orange Bowl season is still killing you. Just admit that the fact ku is the favorite to win the North in '09 is already killing you. TIA.
What on earth does different personnel have to do with anything? 07 was a good season against weak competition in which you didn't play for Big XII championship and '08 was mediocre.
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missouri being a complete f*cking powerhouse kills us. :-[ :-[ :-[
ku being a complete non-player in the big 12 doesn't even show up on the radar.
1. 40-37
(http://nbcsportsmedia1.msnbc.com/j/apmegasports/200811291544566987919-pf.widec.jpg)
2. 52-21 >>>> 41-24
3. Mizzou is going to be down next season
Anything else?
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You're not making any sense at all, as usual. The '07 season and '08 season featured two different teams with different personnel and a different schedule. Just admit that the 12-1 Orange Bowl season is still killing you. Just admit that the fact ku is the favorite to win the North in '09 is already killing you. TIA.
What on earth does different personnel have to do with anything? 07 was a good season against weak competition in which you didn't play for Big XII championship and '08 was mediocre.
So if ku had Aqib Talib (1st team All-American) and Anthony Collins (2nd-team All-American) back for '08, they would have still been mediocre?
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5-3 will win the north easily 6-2 is a slam dunk.
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You're not making any sense at all, as usual. The '07 season and '08 season featured two different teams with different personnel and a different schedule. Just admit that the 12-1 Orange Bowl season is still killing you. Just admit that the fact ku is the favorite to win the North in '09 is already killing you. TIA.
What on earth does different personnel have to do with anything? 07 was a good season against weak competition in which you didn't play for Big XII championship and '08 was mediocre.
So if ku had Aqib Talib (1st team All-American) and Anthony Collins (2nd-team All-American) back for '08, they would have still been mediocre?
fluke actually played some good teams in 08 so, in a word, yes.
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You're not making any sense at all, as usual. The '07 season and '08 season featured two different teams with different personnel and a different schedule. Just admit that the 12-1 Orange Bowl season is still killing you. Just admit that the fact ku is the favorite to win the North in '09 is already killing you. TIA.
What on earth does different personnel have to do with anything? 07 was a good season against weak competition in which you didn't play for Big XII championship and '08 was mediocre.
So if ku had Aqib Talib (1st team All-American) and Anthony Collins (2nd-team All-American) back for '08, they would have still been mediocre?
Every game you lost in 2008, with the exception of a terrible USF team, was by double digits. Stop pretending like you were a couple players away from being great. You were very mediocre.
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You're not making any sense at all, as usual. The '07 season and '08 season featured two different teams with different personnel and a different schedule. Just admit that the 12-1 Orange Bowl season is still killing you. Just admit that the fact ku is the favorite to win the North in '09 is already killing you. TIA.
What on earth does different personnel have to do with anything? 07 was a good season against weak competition in which you didn't play for Big XII championship and '08 was mediocre.
So if ku had Aqib Talib (1st team All-American) and Anthony Collins (2nd-team All-American) back for '08, they would have still been mediocre?
fluke actually played some good teams in 08 so, in a word, yes.
Okay, then. I tend to disagree with you. A 1st team All-American, top 20 NFL draft pick at cornerback along with a 2nd team All-American, 3rd round NFL draft pick at o-tackle would make a bit of a difference, IMO.
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Just admit that the 12-1 Orange Bowl season is still killing you.
How much did 11 straight kill you? How much did our Big 12 Football Championship kill you? From your constant presence on this board, I would have to say a great deal. You are trying to get in some smack talk now while you still can. Smart move on your part. Enjoy.
Bill's back, bitch. :kstatriot:
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ku built up enough talent to have their "once a decade" Fluke Season . . . then promptly lost key coaches and key talent, and fell back to .500 in conference. But in the era of 4 ooc games, Mangino cream puff scheduling and 52 bowls ku did just enough to get into a bowl against a Minnesota team in the midst of a complete meltdown (losers of 5 straight to end the season).
Again, this is the year that ku gets to prove that 2007 wasn't a fluke, just embrace the reality Captain Meltdown.
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You're not making any sense at all, as usual. The '07 season and '08 season featured two different teams with different personnel and a different schedule. Just admit that the 12-1 Orange Bowl season is still killing you. Just admit that the fact ku is the favorite to win the North in '09 is already killing you. TIA.
What on earth does different personnel have to do with anything? 07 was a good season against weak competition in which you didn't play for Big XII championship and '08 was mediocre.
So if ku had Aqib Talib (1st team All-American) and Anthony Collins (2nd-team All-American) back for '08, they would have still been mediocre?
fluke actually played some good teams in 08 so, in a word, yes.
Okay, then. I tend to disagree with you. A 1st team All-American, top 20 NFL draft pick at cornerback along with a 2nd team All-American, 3rd round NFL draft pick at o-tackle would make a bit of a difference, IMO.
In 2002 we lost 4 draft picks (1 in the top 5 and 4 others). From that team 9 players made NFL rosters or practice squads. That team was 11-2. The next year(2003) we returned to win the Big 12 and go to the Fiesta Bowl. That will never happen with uk football...We know it, you know it...Quit all the whining about losing two players being the reason why you couldn't repeat. :nahnah:
Seriously? You can't be that dense. K-State's football program in' 03 was light years ahead of where ku was at in '07. Snyder was in his 14th year of building a dominant football program and establishing plenty of depth on both sides of the ball. ku is just now beginning the process of contending for Big 12 Championships. We are the favorite to win the North in '09 after winning 20 games in two seasons. ku just went to back-to-back bowls for the first time in school history and was one game away from playing in the Big 12 title last season. '08 wasn't a bad year at all. I always find it ironic that a fan of a program which is regarded as one of the worst in D-1 football history, a program that was the first in D-1 to reach 500 losses, is telling a fan of another school that their program can't do something.
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You're not making any sense at all, as usual. The '07 season and '08 season featured two different teams with different personnel and a different schedule. Just admit that the 12-1 Orange Bowl season is still killing you. Just admit that the fact ku is the favorite to win the North in '09 is already killing you. TIA.
What on earth does different personnel have to do with anything? 07 was a good season against weak competition in which you didn't play for Big XII championship and '08 was mediocre.
So if ku had Aqib Talib (1st team All-American) and Anthony Collins (2nd-team All-American) back for '08, they would have still been mediocre?
fluke actually played some good teams in 08 so, in a word, yes.
Okay, then. I tend to disagree with you. A 1st team All-American, top 20 NFL draft pick at cornerback along with a 2nd team All-American, 3rd round NFL draft pick at o-tackle would make a bit of a difference, IMO.
In 2002 we lost 4 draft picks (1 in the top 5 and 4 others). From that team 9 players made NFL rosters or practice squads. That team was 11-2. The next year(2003) we returned to win the Big 12 and go to the Fiesta Bowl. That will never happen with uk football...We know it, you know it...Quit all the whining about losing two players being the reason why you couldn't repeat. :nahnah:
Seriously? You can't be that dense. K-State's football program in' 03 was light years ahead of where ku was at in '07. 1. Snyder was in his 14th year of building a dominant football program and establishing plenty of depth on both sides of the ball. 2. ku is just now beginning the process of contending for Big 12 Championships. We are the favorite to win the North in '09 after 3. winning 20 games in two seasons. ku just went to back-to-back bowls for the first time in school history and were one game away from playing in the Big 12 title last season. '08 wasn't a bad year at all. I always find it ironic that a fan of a program which is regarded as one of the worst in D-1 football history, a program that was the first in D-1 to reach 500 losses, is telling a fan of another school that their program can't do something.
1. so mangino is light years behind gary pinkel (pinkel hired in '01, mangino in '02)? mizzou didn't experience the dropoff kansas did after losing Rucker and Will Franklin who were both drafted. hell, KSU lost almost all of our receiving stats from J. Nelson and we only had 200 less receiving yards in '08.
2. so you weren't in the process of winning big 12 championships before this season? please tell the '07 team they sucked and Talib and Collins they wouldn't have made a difference in '08.
3. please separate the two seasons b/c the difference in 4 wins between the two kinda scews the numbers a bit.
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1. No. ku lost five guys to the NFL, including a top 20 overall draft pick and a 2nd-team All-American, while Mizzou lost Rucker and Franklin. You've got to be kidding me.
2. "ku is just now beginning the process of contending for Big 12 championships" - meaning ku has only been competing for Big 12 titles recently. That includes '07.
3. 20 wins in two seasons, whether you like it or not.
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1. No. ku lost five guys to the NFL, including a top 20 overall draft pick and a 2nd-team All-American, while Mizzou lost Rucker and Franklin. You've got to be kidding me.
2. "ku is just now beginning the process of contending for Big 12 championships" - meaning ku has only been competing for Big 12 titles recently. That includes '07.
3. 20 wins in two seasons, whether you like it or not.
That would have been down years during the DoD. But if it makes you feel better, feel free to keep bragging about that.
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1. No. ku lost five guys to the NFL, including a top 20 overall draft pick and a 2nd-team All-American, while Mizzou lost Rucker and Franklin. You've got to be kidding me.
2. "ku is just now beginning the process of contending for Big 12 championships" - meaning ku has only been competing for Big 12 titles recently. That includes '07.
3. 20 wins in two seasons, whether you like it or not.
Big 12 championships? LOL
Big north championship? maybe.
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if not this year, when? :kstatriot:
Absolutely they should fold the football program. They should move those resources to a sport that they actually have a chance winning a Big 12 title in. Like hacky sack. The uk guys just love that crap.
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1. No. ku lost five guys to the NFL, including a top 20 overall draft pick and a 2nd-team All-American, while Mizzou lost Rucker and Franklin. You've got to be kidding me.
2. "ku is just now beginning the process of contending for Big 12 championships" - meaning ku has only been competing for Big 12 titles recently. That includes '07.
3. 20 wins in two seasons, whether you like it or not.
Big 12 championships? LOL
Big north championship? maybe.
Isn't that the same thing pretty much? If you can make it to the Big 12 title game, you never know what can happen. Look at K-State/Oklahoma 2003.
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Somebody get another stringer . . .
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Isn't that the same thing pretty much? If you can make it to the Big 12 title game, you never know what can happen. Look at K-State/Oklahoma 2003.
lol. it doesn't work that way. you have to have an elite team to beat the south rep. ku's greatest team of all time, that was clocked by missouri, saw that same missouri team get clocked by the south rep one week later in the ccg.
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1. No. ku lost five guys to the NFL, including a top 20 overall draft pick and a 2nd-team All-American, while Mizzou lost Rucker and Franklin. You've got to be kidding me.
2. "ku is just now beginning the process of contending for Big 12 championships" - meaning ku has only been competing for Big 12 titles recently. That includes '07.
3. 20 wins in two seasons, whether you like it or not.
Big 12 championships? LOL
Big north championship? maybe.
Isn't that the same thing pretty much? If you can make it to the Big 12 title game, you never know what can happen. Look at K-State/Oklahoma 2003.
You seriously trying to say that a north division championship is the same as a conference championship? I guess you guys were like co-co- Big 12 champions then.
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Fatty: K-State in '03 was a very good team, but you weren't great. Oklahoma was undefeated going into that game and still played in the national title. They were loaded that year. It was quite an upset, especially given the way K-State completely dominated. Oklahoma was shell-shocked. All I'm saying is that you never know what can happen on any given night.
JT: No, that's not what I'm saying at all. What I'm saying is that if you compete for the North, you compete for the Big 12. If you win the North, you play in the Big 12 championship.
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Fatty: K-State in '03 was a very good team, but you weren't great. Oklahoma was undefeated going into that game and still played in the national title. They were loaded that year. It was quite an upset, especially given the way K-State completely dominated. Oklahoma was shell-shocked. All I'm saying is that you never know what can happen on any given night.
It doesn't work that way. Look at the last 5 years in the big 12 title game. The average MOV for the south has been 37 points. The better team pretty much always wins. 1996 was the only real fluke, (that includes aTm beating us, that was a hell of a team as much as we like to ignore that fact)
ku isn't close to winning the big 12. You actually needs some good players on defense. I'm sorry, dude.
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You're not making any sense at all, as usual. The '07 season and '08 season featured two different teams with different personnel and a different schedule. Just admit that the 12-1 Orange Bowl season is still killing you. Just admit that the fact ku is the favorite to win the North in '09 is already killing you. TIA.
What on earth does different personnel have to do with anything? 07 was a good season against weak competition in which you didn't play for Big XII championship and '08 was mediocre.
So if ku had Aqib Talib (1st team All-American) and Anthony Collins (2nd-team All-American) back for '08, they would have still been mediocre?
fluke actually played some good teams in 08 so, in a word, yes.
Okay, then. I tend to disagree with you. A 1st team All-American, top 20 NFL draft pick at cornerback along with a 2nd team All-American, 3rd round NFL draft pick at o-tackle would make a bit of a difference, IMO.
Everyone in the conference looses players. If you want to be considered not a fluke who played a horrific schedule, build of a program to stay at that level and not fall back to a .500 team the minute you experience some attrition.
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1. No. ku lost five guys to the NFL, including a top 20 overall draft pick and a 2nd-team All-American, while Mizzou lost Rucker and Franklin. You've got to be kidding me.
2. "ku is just now beginning the process of contending for Big 12 championships" - meaning ku has only been competing for Big 12 titles recently. That includes '07.
3. 20 wins in two seasons, whether you like it or not.
And how many wins of those 20 wins were against teams that finished the season ranked? 2, BMW. And how many of those wins were against non BCS schools? 7 :lol:
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Fatty: K-State in '03 was a very good team, but you weren't great. Oklahoma was undefeated going into that game and still played in the national title. They were loaded that year. It was quite an upset, especially given the way K-State completely dominated. Oklahoma was shell-shocked. All I'm saying is that you never know what can happen on any given night.
JT: No, that's not what I'm saying at all. What I'm saying is that if you compete for the North, you compete for the Big 12. If you win the North, you play in the Big 12 championship.
So, we dominated a great team, yet we were only a good team? If that 2003 team was only good, then I never want to hear you refer to uk's 2007 team as anything but "decent." Unless of course, somehow in your crazy twisted view, you think that team was better than our Big 12 championship team. Guess I now understand how you think a co-division championship is "pretty much the same" as an actual conference championship.
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You actually needs some good players on defense. I'm sorry, dude.
ku wasn't close to winning the Big XII in '08 and they lost their LB trio & Laptad. <--- :lol:
You guys had your chance last year and blew it.
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Isn't that the same thing pretty much? If you can make it to the Big 12 title game, you never know what can happen. Look at K-State/Oklahoma 2003.
lol. it doesn't work that way. you have to have an elite team to beat the south rep. ku's greatest team of all time, that was clocked by missouri, saw that same missouri team get clocked by the south rep one week later in the ccg.
VFT. Luck had nothing to do w/ 2003...elite talent and planning had everything to do with it. LOL at the Bentard in this stretch of posts.
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Fatty: The South is loaded. I realize that. Again, all I'm saying is that on any given night, an upset can happen. Look at Colorado upsetting Oklahoma in Boulder a couple years ago. As for the rest of your post, ku has a 1st team All Big 12 safety in Darrell Stuckey.
PowercatPat: 11 of those wins were against Big 12 competition. 2 of them were against teams that finished the season ranked: (9) Va Tech and (16) Mizzou.
JT: I said '03 K-State was very good. Better than good, but not quite great, IMO.
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PowercatPat: 11 of those wins were against Big 12 competition. 2 of them were against teams that finished the season ranked: (9) Va Tech and (16) Mizzou.
11 Big 12 wins in 2 seasons is pretty meh. Very average.
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Fatty: The South is loaded. I realize that. Again, all I'm saying is that on any given night, an upset can happen. Look at Colorado upsetting Oklahoma in Boulder a couple years ago. As for the rest of your post, ku has a 1st team All Big 12 safety in Darrell Stuckey.
PowercatPat: 11 of those wins were against Big 12 competition. 2 of them were against teams that finished the season ranked: (9) Va Tech and (16) Mizzou.
JT: I said '03 K-State was very good. Better than good, but not quite great, IMO.
ksu 03 was a preseason top 5 team. I'd call most preseason top 5 teams year in and out great.
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Mizzou was preseason top 5 last year and I wouldn't call them "great" by any stretch of the imagination. It's more important where you finish. Also, I have a tough time labeling any team that loses at home to Marshall along with 4 games in a season "great."
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Fatty: The South is loaded. I realize that. Again, all I'm saying is that on any given night, an upset can happen. Look at Colorado upsetting Oklahoma in Boulder a couple years ago. As for the rest of your post, ku has a 1st team All Big 12 safety in Darrell Stuckey.
PowercatPat: 11 of those wins were against Big 12 competition. 2 of them were against teams that finished the season ranked: (9) Va Tech and (16) Mizzou.
JT: I said '03 K-State was very good. Better than good, but not quite great, IMO.
ksu 03 was a preseason top 5 team. I'd call most preseason top 5 teams year in and out great.
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Mizzou was preseason top 5 last year and I wouldn't call them "great" by any stretch of the imagination. It's more important where you finish. Also, I have a tough time labeling any team that loses at home to Marshall along with 4 games in a season "great."
Pretty sure we finished in a BCS bowl. Right after we beat the bejesus out of, what was labeled at the time, one of the best teams in CFB history. And you take any top 5 team's all conference QB and replace him with Jeff Schwinn, and they're going to lose some games.
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Mizzou was preseason top 5 last year and I wouldn't call them "great" by any stretch of the imagination. It's more important where you finish. Also, I have a tough time labeling any team that loses at home to Marshall along with 4 games in a season "great."
Pretty sure we finished in a BCS bowl. Right after we beat the bejesus out of, what was labeled at the time, one of the best teams in CFB history. And you take any top 5 team's all conference QB and replace him with Jeff Schwinn, and they're going to lose some games.
Yeah, but you didn't finish in the top 10. ku finished in the top 10 and won a BCS bowl in '07 and your fans are calling them a fluke.
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Mizzou was preseason top 5 last year and I wouldn't call them "great" by any stretch of the imagination. It's more important where you finish. Also, I have a tough time labeling any team that loses at home to Marshall along with 4 games in a season "great."
Pretty sure we finished in a BCS bowl. Right after we beat the bejesus out of, what was labeled at the time, one of the best teams in CFB history. And you take any top 5 team's all conference QB and replace him with Jeff Schwinn, and they're going to lose some games.
Yeah, but you didn't finish in the top 10. ku finished in the top 10 and won a BCS bowl in '07 and your fans are calling them a fluke.
Yeah, because you had never done that before and followed it up with a 8-5 season. Isn't that basically the definition of a fluke?
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K-State followed up the '03 Big 12 Championship with a 4-7 season.
:rolleyes:
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Also, 8 wins in a season isn't bad at all. K-State fans would kill to go 8-4 next season.
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K-State followed up the '03 Big 12 Championship with a 4-7 season.
:rolleyes:
Yeah, but we'd been a highly ranked team for like 10 years at that point, setting a precedent . Thus, not a fluke. uk had never been that good and haven't been since. Thus, fluke.
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The sadness of a 22 year old ku college student who has spent an entire Sunday on a K-State message board.
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K-State followed up the '03 Big 12 Championship with a 4-7 season.
:rolleyes:
Yeah, but we'd been a highly ranked team for like 10 years at that point, setting a precedent . Thus, not a fluke. uk had never been that good and haven't been since. Thus, fluke.
:lol:
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Also, 8 wins in a season isn't bad at all. K-State fans would kill to go 8-4 next season.
8 wins the season following your best in history is not good. And comparing K-States hopes for next season with yours is just silly. You think Florida says: "I think 8 wins is pretty good. Hell, Vanderbilt would be ecstatic with 8 wins next year."? Also, didn't you go 8-5?
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The sadness of a 22 year old ku college student who has spent an entire Sunday on a K-State message board.
I've been watching NBA Playoffs and the NFL Draft. Aside from that, it's been storming outside all day. Go cry about getting pwned somewhere else, 'Pad.
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Also, 8 wins in a season isn't bad at all. K-State fans would kill to go 8-4 next season.
8 wins the season following your best in history is not good. And comparing K-States hopes for next season with yours is just silly. You think Florida says: "I think 8 wins is pretty good. Hell, Vanderbilt would be ecstatic with 8 wins next year."? Also, didn't you go 8-5?
Maybe it's a good idea if you sit the next couple of plays out. You just keep digging yourself a deeper hole with each and every post. I mean, you basically just compared ku to Florida and K-State to Vanderbilt.
:thumbsup:
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K-State followed up the '03 Big 12 Championship with a 4-7 season.
:rolleyes:
Yeah, but we'd been a highly ranked team for like 10 years at that point, setting a precedent . Thus, not a fluke. uk had never been that good and haven't been since. Thus, fluke.
:lol:
That was your response? WTF? Seriously dude, you're just not even trying anymore. I'll chalk that up as a weak tap-out, at best.
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K-State followed up the '03 Big 12 Championship with a 4-7 season.
:rolleyes:
Yeah, but we'd been a highly ranked team for like 10 years at that point, setting a precedent . Thus, not a fluke. uk had never been that good and haven't been since. Thus, fluke.
:lol:
Yeah, 2003 was a fluke. We'd only won 11 games in 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000 and 2002 prior to the 2003 11 win season and been to 10 straight bowl games. :rolleyes:
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Also, 8 wins in a season isn't bad at all. K-State fans would kill to go 8-4 next season.
8 wins the season following your best in history is not good. And comparing K-States hopes for next season with yours is just silly. You think Florida says: "I think 8 wins is pretty good. Hell, Vanderbilt would be ecstatic with 8 wins next year."? Also, didn't you go 8-5?
Maybe it's a good idea if you sit the next couple of plays out. You just keep digging yourself a deeper hole with each and every post. I mean, you basically just compared ku to Florida and K-State to Vanderbilt.
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See Ben, even you realize that you don't belong to be spoken about in the same breath as real football programs. That is exactly the reason that everyone living outside of Lawrence thinks '07 was a fluke. Either have a winning history to back it up, or continue to follow it with success. uk has (done) neither.
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Winning history? K-State was the first D-1 football program to reach 500 losses. ku leads the all-time series 64-36. Like I said, sit the next couple of posts out. Maybe try to regroup.
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Winning history? K-State was the first D-1 football program to reach 500 losses. ku leads the all-time series 64-36. Like I said, sit the next couple of posts out. Maybe try to regroup.
How many 11 win season does uk have? How many bowl wins? How many bowl appearances? How many conference or division championships? Sadly, KSU was able to duplicate nearly a century of uk's accomplishments in a decade. And no Ben, your Orange Bowl victory in 1952 does not lend credence to the 2007 season. It must be recent history Ben, not leather helmet football history.
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The sadness of a 22 year old ku college student who has spent an entire Sunday on a K-State message board.
I've been watching NBA Playoffs and the NFL Draft. Aside from that, it's been storming outside all day. Go cry about getting pwned somewhere else, 'Pad.
Owned . . . :lol:
The guy who turns any discussion about 2007 being a fluke for ku football into a 80 plus post thread, and literally bites on any and all perceived slights of ku is saying this?? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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wut
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So will he be the next Chris Simms?
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You're not making any sense at all, as usual. The '07 season and '08 season featured two different teams with different personnel and a different schedule. Just admit that the 12-1 Orange Bowl season is still killing you. Just admit that the fact ku is the favorite to win the North in '09 is already killing you. TIA.
What on earth does different personnel have to do with anything? 07 was a good season against weak competition in which you didn't play for Big XII championship and '08 was mediocre.
So if ku had Aqib Talib (1st team All-American) and Anthony Collins (2nd-team All-American) back for '08, they would have still been mediocre?
fluke actually played some good teams in 08 so, in a word, yes.
Okay, then. I tend to disagree with you. A 1st team All-American, top 20 NFL draft pick at cornerback along with a 2nd team All-American, 3rd round NFL draft pick at o-tackle would make a bit of a difference, IMO.
Anthony Collins was a 4th round pick and uk had 4 guys drafted that year. You're acting like a mongoloid.
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2008/tracker#dt-tab-set-1:dt-by-college/conf-big12
College football players run out of eligibility, and some of them even graduate (not uk). That's how the game is played. Didn't ya'll return like 9 starters on D only to get sh*t stompted by all the decent teams you played? You played a dog sh*t schedule in 2007 and won 12 games by the great goodness of god, then backed into the 5th BCS bowl game in a 12 games season(stuff NEW to CFB). Wake the F*ck up, ya sound like a jagass
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You sound pissed. Thanks for getting the facts straightened out for me, stat boy. It really doesn't matter if Anthony Collins was a 3rd or 4th round pick... he was dominant in his final year at ku. My point was that the '07 team and '08 team were different. 20 wins in two years and back-to-back bowls is very good for ku football, especially considering where we were a few short years ago. K-State has replaced us as the doormat of the Big 12. Congrats, and make sure not to kill yourself when ku comes into Manhattan and skull f*cks your group of juco scrubs.
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Blindside offensive tackle is the most important offensive position in football. So I'd say a rube trying to protect Reesing's backside was the biggest battle we dealt with all year. It meant that Sparky spent the entire game worrying not only about his reads but how long he had to run through them. We lost both of our returning tackles. He spent a lot of time on the seat of his pants because of it. I'd say if we had Collins, that means a less beaten Reesing. That would definitely be worth a couple more wins. And working in a newbie D-Coordinator, regardless of how many guys returned, had a major effect. Bill Young was much more knowledgeable than Clint Bowen. I think we can lay this argument to rest after Kansas runs through the north and beats an underachieving south team in the championship. Much like you guys did in 03. OU laid a major egg that year. Not just to you guys in KC, but in the championship game they didn't belong in. It has become Stoops signature in Norman.
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Blindside offensive tackle is the most important offensive position in football. So I'd say a rube trying to protect Reesing's backside was the biggest battle we dealt with all year. It meant that Sparky spent the entire game worrying not only about his reads but how long he had to run through them. We lost both of our returning tackles. He spent a lot of time on the seat of his pants because of it. I'd say if we had Collins, that means a less beaten Reesing. That would definitely be worth a couple more wins. And working in a newbie D-Coordinator, regardless of how many guys returned, had a major effect. Bill Young was much more knowledgeable than Clint Bowen. I think we can lay this argument to rest after Kansas runs through the north and beats an underachieving south team in the championship. Much like you guys did in 03. OU laid a major egg that year. Not just to you guys in KC, but in the championship game they didn't belong in. It has become Stoops signature in Norman.
Um. If you couldn't do that in your greatest season in history, what makes you so sure that you will do it this year? And even if you did reach the CCG, you would most likely end up playing UT or OU. Please refresh my memory and let me know your record against those two teams since the inception of the Big 12.
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Blindside offensive tackle is the most important offensive position in football. So I'd say a rube trying to protect Reesing's backside was the biggest battle we dealt with all year. It meant that Sparky spent the entire game worrying not only about his reads but how long he had to run through them. We lost both of our returning tackles. He spent a lot of time on the seat of his pants because of it. I'd say if we had Collins, that means a less beaten Reesing. That would definitely be worth a couple more wins. And working in a newbie D-Coordinator, regardless of how many guys returned, had a major effect. Bill Young was much more knowledgeable than Clint Bowen. I think we can lay this argument to rest after Kansas runs through the north and beats an underachieving south team in the championship. Much like you guys did in 03. OU laid a major egg that year. Not just to you guys in KC, but in the championship game they didn't belong in. It has become Stoops signature in Norman.
stoops is f*cking 6-1 in big 12 championship games. he's a goddamned monster. there is a reason ku isn't anywhere close to beating ou/texas.
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O.T. LOL @ BMW in this thread
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Fatty: K-State in '03 was a very good team, but you weren't great. Oklahoma was undefeated going into that game and still played in the national title. They were loaded that year. It was quite an upset, especially given the way K-State completely dominated. Oklahoma was shell-shocked. All I'm saying is that you never know what can happen on any given night.
JT: No, that's not what I'm saying at all. What I'm saying is that if you compete for the North, you compete for the Big 12. If you win the North, you play in the Big 12 championship.
By this "logic" ALL of the teams in the north are playing for the Big 12 Ch!!! YAAAY!!! You moron - you are blinded by one good season AND anything can happen, like when a team who plays nobody backs into the Orange Bowl to play perhaps the 2nd most overrated team in the country that year (and many years) in VT.
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KSUTOMMY: only the best teams in the North compete for the division championship. Programs like Iowa State and K-State try to compete, but they just don't have the talent and/or coaching.
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KSUTOMMY: only the best teams in the North compete for the division championship. Programs like Iowa State and K-State try to compete, but they just don't have the talent and/or coaching.
when you actually win the North outright and play in the big 12 championship game let us know......
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In that case, why does KState have a hoops board? "Win a Big 12 title then we'll talk."
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In that case, why does KState have a hoops board? "Win a Big 12 title then we'll talk."
when the hell did this get turned into a bball convo? your the one who brought up KSU not competing for big 12 titles when a.) we have one and b.) we've been to more than one big 12 champ. game when ku has never won the north division and has never played in the conference championship game..... carry on with your attempt to validate '07flukenation
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Just let Captain Meltdown carry on . . . it's :lol: when he's all :mad:
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In that case, why does KState have a hoops board? "Win a Big 12 title then we'll talk."
when the hell did this get turned into a bball convo? your the one who brought up KSU not competing for big 12 titles when a.) we have one and b.) we've been to more than one big 12 champ. game when ku has never won the north division and has never played in the conference championship game..... carry on with your attempt to validate '07flukenation
I'm talking about right now, and the two worst programs in the North right now are K-State and Iowa State. That doesn't mean that Bill Snyder won't help build K-State back up again, but right now, you're not going to compete for the North division. The basketball thing was just an analogy.
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KSUTOMMY: only the best teams in the North compete for the division championship. Programs like Iowa State and K-State try to compete, but they just don't have the talent and/or coaching.
This has got to be one of BMW's dumbest posts ever. :lol:
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In that case, why does KState have a hoops board? "Win a Big 12 title then we'll talk."
when the hell did this get turned into a bball convo? your the one who brought up KSU not competing for big 12 titles when a.) we have one and b.) we've been to more than one big 12 champ. game when ku has never won the north division and has never played in the conference championship game..... carry on with your attempt to validate '07flukenation
I'm talking about right now, and the two worst programs in the North right now are K-State and Iowa State. That doesn't mean that Bill Snyder won't help build K-State back up again, but right now, you're not going to compete for the North division. The basketball thing was just an analogy.
Is trying but failing every single year really "competing"?
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ku is way better than KSU at pretty much everything. I think we can all agree with that. Come on. Who's with me?
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ku is way better than KSU at pretty much everything. I think we can all agree with that. Come on. Who's with me?
JFC, what an elite post.
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:WTF:
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mcmw's odds to win the north this year
ku 2.5-1
mu 3-1
nu 4-1
cu 14.5-1
ksu 25-1
isu 100-1
ku has a toxic south schedule but 5-3 w/ all 5 wins vs the north should win it.
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K-State followed up the '03 Big 12 Championship with a 4-7 season.
:rolleyes:
a new QB, oline gone...defense pretty much all gone.
ku returned 16 starters from 2007 to 2008. What changed? The schedule.
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K-State followed up the '03 Big 12 Championship with a 4-7 season.
:rolleyes:
a new QB, oline gone...defense pretty much all gone.
ku returned 16 starters from 2007 to 2008. What changed? The schedule.
wow, slam dunk.
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also lost 2 all confrence LB's a safety, and D end.
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8 wins is pretty good for ku. I'll take that sh1t. When your football team is pretty good, and your basketball team is totally f*cking awesome, sports are pretty fun as a whole. Could be better, but it wouldn't be very fair to everyone else. Do you guys know what I mean? Do my posts help anyone?
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K-State fans are in some hardcore denial when it comes to ku. Not surprising at all. 52-21 is still killing them, along with 12-1 BCS Orange Bowl. Sure the schedule changed. ku wasn't going to go 7-1 again in the Big 12, but don't act like having Aqib Talib and Anthony Collins wouldn't have made a difference. ku was one game away from winning the North last year.
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8 wins is pretty good for ku. I'll take that sh1t. When your football team is pretty good, and your basketball team is totally f*cking awesome, sports are pretty fun as a whole. Could be better, but it wouldn't be very fair to everyone else. Do you guys know what I mean? Do my posts help anyone?
Yeah, nothing beats settling into you sun-cooled 115 degree pleather recliner to take in some quality football action after NOT tailgating, to watch a competition b/w two teams with ZERO NFL talent knowing that if you can some how squeek out 2 conference wins you'll get to watch that same "pretty good" team on TV from the floor of one of your buddies house, that was dumb enough to get dish network, play in one of the thirty de novo no-name bowls on a weeknight in late December.
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K-State fans are in some hardcore denial when it comes to ku. Not surprising at all. 52-21 is still killing them, along with 12-1 BCS Orange Bowl. Sure the schedule changed. ku wasn't going to go 7-1 again in the Big 12, but don't act like having Aqib Talib and Anthony Collins wouldn't have made a difference. ku was one game away from winning the North last year.
:rolleyes:
52-21 probably got ron prince canned IMO.
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ku has NFL talent and ku's tailgating blows away K-State's sheep parking lot.
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8 wins is pretty good for ku. I'll take that sh1t. When your football team is pretty good, and your basketball team is totally f*cking awesome, sports are pretty fun as a whole. Could be better, but it wouldn't be very fair to everyone else. Do you guys know what I mean? Do my posts help anyone?
Yeah, nothing beats settling into you sun-cooled 115 degree pleather recliner to take in some quality football action after NOT tailgating, to watch a competition b/w two teams with ZERO NFL talent knowing that if you can some how squeek out 2 conference wins you'll get to watch that same "pretty good" team on TV from the floor of one of your buddies house, that was dumb enough to get dish network, play in one of the thirty de novo no-name bowls on a weeknight in late December.
That doesn't sound like much fun to me, dude. But whatever. I guess you should just listen to your heart most of the time. Personally, I like to party.
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I heard that racist K-State fans got Ron Prince canned. He was fired after finishing 5-7 two years in a row, while they hired a guy who finished 4-7 and 5-6 in his last two years. K-State = hardcore racists.
Wait, weren't you saying Ron Prince sucked ballz and we were laughingstocks for hiring him? Weird post imo.
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I always thought it was funny or strange how much ku fans hated Ron.
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ku has NFL talent and ku's tailgating blows away K-State's sheep parking lot.
Starting off behind 0-2 makes getting a hit very difficult.
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ku has NFL talent and ku's tailgating blows away K-State's sheep parking lot.
Starting off behind 0-2 makes getting a hit very difficult.
x2, insanely stupid statements
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This. Is the only post in this thread that does not SUCK.
(this post sucks)
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It was supposed to be the coup de grace. Thought no one could have an answer for those 3. Didn't work. Let's keep it going, I guess.
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ku was one game away from winning the North last year.
Hey Mangino...have you me my ol' buddy Jim Wooldridge?
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ku has NFL talent and ku's tailgating blows away K-State's sheep parking lot.
Wow. You really this stupid, or maybe just coming down with a case of the retard today?
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Darrell Stuckey is projected 2nd round in the '10 draft. Your tailgating sucks ass compared to ku's. Now go cry about it.
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Darrell Stuckey is projected 2nd round in the '10 draft. Your tailgating sucks ass compared to ku's. Now go cry about it.
2nd round smack?
ku doesn't even have tailgating.
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cireksu = fail
Go back to KSUFans.com.
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The winds have shifted . . . from Bentard mode, back to Captain Meltdown mode.
Developing . . .
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ku has tons, TONS, more talent than KSU. The tailgating talk was just rubbish but the talent talk was legit.
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ku has a small margin for error.
On the road at Texas, at Texas Tech which is never an easy place to play for anyone, and then OU at home. The probably have to win all of their North games in order to win the North division, because I don't see enough coaching horsepower on the defensive side of the ball at ku to be able to stop anybody . . . and no former Illinois line coach is going to help that any either.
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don't act like having Aqib Talib and Anthony Collins wouldn't have made a difference. ku was one game away from winning the North last year.
:confused:
Oklahoma Norman, Okla. L: 45-31
Texas Tech Lawrence L: 63-21
Nebraska Lincoln, Neb. L: 45-35
Texas Lawrence L: 35-7
Which one would have been a "W" with Talib and Collins?
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Easy now, everybody knows that 2 guys can make all the difference between a 90th ranked defense, and a 20th ranked defense.
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Nebraska could have gone either way with Talib and Collins. A cornerback that can shut down half of the field makes a huge difference. An All-American at left tackle doesn't hurt, either.
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Then defenses just attack the lessor talent playing elsewhere in ku's bad schemes. Nebraska dinked and dunked ku all day, completeing 29 passes, but only averaging 8.6 yards per completion, and only with a long of 27, they completed at least 4 passes to 5 different guys. . . in that kind of scheme, you don't have many "shut down half the field" cornerback scenarios, and you don't have many deep drops from the QB.
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You have got to be kidding me. The cornerback position was so inexperienced last season that they had to move Justin Thornton (also projected in '10 NFL Draft) from safety to corner. Talib would have made a huge difference. So would Collins.
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Again, it has nothing to do with ku puts back there dumbass . . . again, when your dinking and dunking all over the place you're not running a scheme that allows "half the field" to be shut down by one guy. Try to keep up with this please.
But hey, if you want to believe that a couple of guys take ku's defense from 90th to say 30th, go ahead, delude yourself.
Texas Tech completed 38 passes, and 29 of those WERE NOT to Crabtree . . . they also rushed for 157 yards. But hey, if you want to believe that against a team like Tech, Talib is in a "shut down half the field role" than go ahead, believe it.
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Darrell Stuckey is projected 2nd round in the '10 draft. Your tailgating sucks ass compared to ku's. Now go cry about it.
2nd round smack?
ku doesn't even have tailgating.
:thumbsup: :lol: Its true been to many uk games. :cyclist:
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Again, it has nothing to do with ku puts back there dumbass . . . again, when your dinking and dunking all over the place you're not running a scheme that allows "half the field" to be shut down by one guy. Try to keep up with this please.
But hey, if you want to believe that a couple of guys take ku's defense from 90th to say 30th, go ahead, delude yourself.
Texas Tech completed 38 passes, and 29 of those WERE NOT to Crabtree . . . they also rushed for 157 yards. But hey, if you want to believe that against a team like Tech, Talib is in a "shut down half the field role" than go ahead, believe it.
Did you even watch ku football games last year? The cornerbacks gave extra cushion to the receivers so that they wouldn't get burned deep. Patterson and the other guys were too inexperienced... that's why they moved Thornton from safety to corner, which really helped the defense in the later part of the season. Furthermore, I never suggested that Talib would improve ku's defense from 90th to 30th. All I'm saying is that a guy who goes top 20 in the '08 NFL Draft would have made a significant difference. He was a guy who could shut down half of the field, which is one of the main reasons why ku went 12-1 in '07.
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ku has tons, TONS, more talent than KSU. The tailgating talk was just rubbish but the talent talk was legit.
I wouldn't say "tons" more, but you're right. Tailgating preference obviously depends on which team you cheer for... I just like ku's better because it gives you the best of both worlds. I can go drink on the hill, in the parking lots, or at a house party somewhere across from the stadium. Don't underestimate beer pong and HD TV in the comfort of a slum college house.
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Again, it has nothing to do with ku puts back there dumbass . . . again, when your dinking and dunking all over the place you're not running a scheme that allows "half the field" to be shut down by one guy. Try to keep up with this please.
But hey, if you want to believe that a couple of guys take ku's defense from 90th to say 30th, go ahead, delude yourself.
Texas Tech completed 38 passes, and 29 of those WERE NOT to Crabtree . . . they also rushed for 157 yards. But hey, if you want to believe that against a team like Tech, Talib is in a "shut down half the field role" than go ahead, believe it.
Did you even watch ku football games last year? The cornerbacks gave extra cushion to the receivers so that they wouldn't get burned deep. Patterson and the other guys were too inexperienced... that's why they moved Thornton from safety to corner, which really helped the defense in the later part of the season. Furthermore, I never suggested that Talib would improve ku's defense from 90th to 30th. All I'm saying is that a guy who goes top 20 in the '08 NFL Draft would have made a significant difference. He was a guy who could shut down half of the field, which is one of the main reasons why ku went 12-1 in '07.
Yup, shut down half the field...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ek0ANQ8bRfo
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Talented teams with spread type attacks negate "shut down half the field" corners Bentard . . . this isn't that hard.
A Talented spread offense team torched ku for 368 yards passing, 3 passing TD's, and an 82% completion percentage on FIFTY ATTEMPTS and ZERO int's with Talib starting at CB. So yeah, lets talk about "shut down half the field corners" going up against talented spread attacks Bentard.
Come on dude . . . just let it go, you're getting pummeled here.
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You're pretending like I'm getting "pummeled" when you're the one suggesting that a 1st team All-American and top 20 NFL Draft pick wouldn't have made a difference?
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He made no difference against Missouri in 2007 . . . none, mu completed 82% of their passes.
Now roll up the clock one year, ku even has worse overall talent going up against dink and dunk spread type teams, and it's going to be the same story . . . Talib or not . . . where he shined was against teams like VT who stupidly tried to go one on one with him and run either vertical or out routes that a spread attack is going to shy away from against a good CB.
Again, this isn't that hard . . . but you're so freaking desperate to always be right, you'll continue to argue your idiotic point.
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Now 'Pad's just getting :curse:
One reason Talib didn't do much vs. Mizzou is because they didn't throw to his side of the field. Also, way to nitpick one game out of an entire season. Oklahoma State had a potent offense with Dez Bryant, Adarius Bowman, Brandon Pettigrew, and Zac Robinson, and Talib finished that game with 9 tackles and an INT. He knocked Bowman out of the game on a hard tackle. ku held OSU to 276 yards passing... no way the number is that low if ku plays OSU in '08. Please continue with the denial, though. It's quite entertaining.
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At least Mangino agrees with me, 'Pad.
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http://www2.kusports.com/news/2008/nov/20/mangino-loss-talib-no-1-problem/ (http://www2.kusports.com/news/2008/nov/20/mangino-loss-talib-no-1-problem/)
Since it became apparent that this year’s version of the Kansas University football defense would be significantly less stout than it was a season ago, debates about who has been the most sorely missed member of last year’s unit — defensive coordinator Bill Young? Cornerback Aqib Talib? Defensive tackle James McClinton? — have been numerous.
Earlier this week, however, the man best suited to answer that question decided to offer his opinion on the matter.
“The biggest issue for us is that we were able to have a corner last year that we could put on an island and therefore help the other corner, which solidified our pass defense,” said Kansas coach Mark Mangino of former All-American Talib, who was taken 20th overall by the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in last spring’s NFL Draft. “And we’re not able to do that this year. And that’s the No. 1 problem.”
The shortcomings of a Kansas defense that returned nine starters this fall have been well documented — the Jayhawks are ranked 90th in total defense and 86th in scoring defense after finishing 12th and fourth, respectively, in those categories in 2007 — but on Monday, Mangino delved into specifics of what the team is lacking this year in comparison to last.
In addition to the loss of Talib, the coach pointed to a lack of an effective pass rush, which was aided last year by the presence of McClinton, another All-American.
“We’re not as disruptive on the defensive line as we were a year ago,” he said. “And that’s probably the next biggest issue that we face.”
The departure of Young, who took the same position with the University of Miami following the ’07 season and currently has the Hurricanes in the top 10 nationally in total defense, was also broached.
While Mangino praised the work of Young during his six years in Lawrence, he put little stock in the idea that the loss of Young — or the subsequent promotion of Clint Bowen to defensive coordinator — has been a substantial hindrance to the Jayhawks this season.
“I don’t think that that’s the key reason,” Mangino said. “Bill did a great job for us. There were times, don’t forget, where we struggled early on on defense, and Bill stayed with it and got it right. Sure, Bill’s a veteran coach, but I don’t see that as a major issue.”
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"But, but, but... Talib wouldn't have made a difference!!!!"
:lol:
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Again, we're talking about 2 different things.
OSU (with a 1st year starting QB) goes down field a lot more and their offense allowed defenses to put good CB's "on an island", good spread attacks welcome "on an island" CB's because they'll pick route them all day long. But lets see OSU, oh yeah, OSU's 2007 passing attack was absolutely PROLIFIC Bentard . . . .averaging 243.2 yards per game for the entire season, and finishing a salty 45th in the country. Congrats Aqib . . . you'll held the 2007 OSU passing attack to only 34 yards OVER their season average.
But hey, you keep pulling out dumbass comparisons and I'll keep making you look like and idiot.
To the Bentard . . .
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You are a f*cking dumbass if you think ku has better tailgating than K-State. Refer to this: http://www.ksufans.com/forums/index.php?topic=28184.0
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'Pad is officially :curse:
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And with that Bentard's corner tosses in the towel.
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Nope... you fail to realize that Zac Robinson wasn't Oklahoma State's starter the entire year and that Oklahoma State had the #8 rushing offense in the country. Besides, the point was that you can't just nitpick one specific game. Talib's entire body of work earned him 1st team All-American status and a top 20 selection in the '08 NFL Draft. Aside from that, Coach Mangino, who knows more than you'll ever know about the game of football, agrees with me.
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cireksu = fail
Go back to KSUFans.com.
Why don't you go back to phog.net?
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I'm on phog.net right now. Simultaneously.
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What you fail to realize as always is that I speaking towards one style of offense that a Talib would have a lot harder time shutting down. Thus, I keep point to specific games, and giving you specific reasons as to why having Talib out there wouldn't make a damn bit of difference. Talib got his chance to play "shut down" corner against a prolific spread attack and they passed for nearly 400 yards, completed 82% of their passes on FIFTY attempts and passed for 3 TD's with no INTs'. Look at the numbers against NU last year . . . nearly 30 completions, but only an 8.2 ypc rate, with at least 5 guys catching 4 passes or more . . . they'll formation to put Talib on an island and either run him out, or pick him, and have a field day against the rest of ku's weak secondary. Thus he doesn't make that big a difference Bentard. He would've made no difference against Tech, and Crabtree got his catches against almost everybody except OU. Again, Talib strength was against teams trying either take him deep, or running out routes against him out of more traditional style vertical passing attacks.
Plus lets not forget the reality of a 77 regular season SOS for ku in 2007 . . . that makes any talented defense look pretty good.
Hey I admit, Talib looked pretty good against that monster 85th ranked Virginia Tech passing attack.
Again, you keep talking about whole seasons, I keep talking about Talib against a very specific passing attack.
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We started out talking about the '08 Nebraska matchup, and how Talib could have made a difference in that game. As I've pointed out, ku's cornerbacks gave opposing receivers extra cushion last season because they were inexperienced and the coaching staff didn't want to put them on an island, as they did with Talib. Regardless, '08 Nebraska and '07 Mizzou are not comparable in any way, shape, or form. Two totally different offenses with completely different personnel. You are flailing at thin air, 'Pad. Not only does Mangino agree with me, but anyone with a brain should realize that a top 20 NFL Draft pick would make a significant difference on any team.
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I'm on phog.net right now. Simultaneously.
You go both ways?
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It's not flailing . . . just reality.
Talib got his chance against a spread, short passing attack and they ate ku's secondary alive.
Sure NU doesn't run a "spread" like Tech or MU, but again, it's quite clear they worked the short passing game all day long . . . cushion or no cushion . . . plus they ran the ball with relative ease as well. Again, the point being that smart offenses just attacked the other parts of ku's 90th ranked defense last year, with or without Talib, and they likely still complete a bunch of passes as well with the kind of passing game they are using.
Now I am off for beers on the Intercoastal . . . unlike the Bentard I won't spend beautiful days obsessing on a rivals BBS.