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Author Topic: should ku quit trying if they can't win the north this year?  (Read 3362 times)

April 30, 2009, 11:09:48 AM
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ku has NFL talent and ku's tailgating blows away K-State's sheep parking lot.  

Wow.  You really this stupid, or maybe just coming down with a case of the retard today?

April 30, 2009, 01:51:14 PM
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Darrell Stuckey is projected 2nd round in the '10 draft.  Your tailgating sucks ass compared to ku's.  Now go cry about it.

April 30, 2009, 01:54:09 PM
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Darrell Stuckey is projected 2nd round in the '10 draft.  Your tailgating sucks ass compared to ku's.  Now go cry about it.

2nd round smack? 

ku doesn't even have tailgating.

April 30, 2009, 01:58:44 PM
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April 30, 2009, 02:10:56 PM
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The winds have shifted . . . from Bentard mode, back to Captain Meltdown mode.

Developing . . .   

April 30, 2009, 02:12:16 PM
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ku has tons, TONS, more talent than KSU.  The tailgating talk was just rubbish but the talent talk was legit. 
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April 30, 2009, 02:15:44 PM
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ku has a small margin for error.   

On the road at Texas, at Texas Tech which is never an easy place to play for anyone, and then OU at home.  The probably have to win all of their North games in order to win the North division, because I don't see enough coaching horsepower on the defensive side of the ball at ku to be able to stop anybody . . . and no former Illinois line coach is going to help that any either.


April 30, 2009, 02:21:15 PM
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don't act like having Aqib Talib and Anthony Collins wouldn't have made a difference.  ku was one game away from winning the North last year.


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Oklahoma    Norman, Okla.    L: 45-31

Texas Tech    Lawrence    L: 63-21

Nebraska    Lincoln, Neb.    L: 45-35

Texas    Lawrence    L: 35-7



Which one would have been a "W" with Talib and Collins?

April 30, 2009, 02:25:37 PM
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Easy now, everybody knows that 2 guys can make all the difference between a 90th ranked defense, and a 20th ranked defense.


April 30, 2009, 02:32:20 PM
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Nebraska could have gone either way with Talib and Collins.  A cornerback that can shut down half of the field makes a huge difference.  An All-American at left tackle doesn't hurt, either. 

April 30, 2009, 02:39:58 PM
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Then defenses just attack the lessor talent playing elsewhere in ku's bad schemes.   Nebraska dinked and dunked ku all day, completeing 29 passes, but only averaging 8.6 yards per completion, and only with a long of 27, they completed at least 4 passes to 5 different guys. . . in that kind of scheme, you don't have many "shut down half the field" cornerback scenarios, and you don't have many deep drops from the QB.

 


April 30, 2009, 02:50:50 PM
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You have got to be kidding me.  The cornerback position was so inexperienced last season that they had to move Justin Thornton (also projected in '10 NFL Draft) from safety to corner.  Talib would have made a huge difference.  So would Collins.

April 30, 2009, 03:01:34 PM
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Again, it has nothing to do with ku puts back there dumbass . . . again, when your dinking and dunking all over the place you're not running a scheme that allows "half the field" to be shut down by one guy.   Try to keep up with this please.

But hey, if you want to believe that a couple of guys take ku's defense from 90th to say 30th, go ahead, delude yourself.

Texas Tech completed 38 passes, and 29 of those WERE NOT to Crabtree . . . they also rushed for 157 yards.   But hey, if you want to believe that against a team like Tech, Talib is in a "shut down half the field role" than go ahead, believe it.




April 30, 2009, 03:02:10 PM
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Darrell Stuckey is projected 2nd round in the '10 draft.  Your tailgating sucks ass compared to ku's.  Now go cry about it.

2nd round smack? 

ku doesn't even have tailgating.
:thumbsup: :lol: Its true been to many uk games.  :cyclist:


April 30, 2009, 03:09:46 PM
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Again, it has nothing to do with ku puts back there dumbass . . . again, when your dinking and dunking all over the place you're not running a scheme that allows "half the field" to be shut down by one guy.   Try to keep up with this please.

But hey, if you want to believe that a couple of guys take ku's defense from 90th to say 30th, go ahead, delude yourself.

Texas Tech completed 38 passes, and 29 of those WERE NOT to Crabtree . . . they also rushed for 157 yards.   But hey, if you want to believe that against a team like Tech, Talib is in a "shut down half the field role" than go ahead, believe it.





Did you even watch ku football games last year?  The cornerbacks gave extra cushion to the receivers so that they wouldn't get burned deep.  Patterson and the other guys were too inexperienced... that's why they moved Thornton from safety to corner, which really helped the defense in the later part of the season.  Furthermore, I never suggested that Talib would improve ku's defense from 90th to 30th.  All I'm saying is that a guy who goes top 20 in the '08 NFL Draft would have made a significant difference.  He was a guy who could shut down half of the field, which is one of the main reasons why ku went 12-1 in '07.

April 30, 2009, 03:17:22 PM
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ku has tons, TONS, more talent than KSU.  The tailgating talk was just rubbish but the talent talk was legit. 



I wouldn't say "tons" more, but you're right.  Tailgating preference obviously depends on which team you cheer for... I just like ku's better because it gives you the best of both worlds.  I can go drink on the hill, in the parking lots, or at a house party somewhere across from the stadium.  Don't underestimate beer pong and HD TV in the comfort of a slum college house. 

April 30, 2009, 03:18:03 PM
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Again, it has nothing to do with ku puts back there dumbass . . . again, when your dinking and dunking all over the place you're not running a scheme that allows "half the field" to be shut down by one guy.   Try to keep up with this please.

But hey, if you want to believe that a couple of guys take ku's defense from 90th to say 30th, go ahead, delude yourself.

Texas Tech completed 38 passes, and 29 of those WERE NOT to Crabtree . . . they also rushed for 157 yards.   But hey, if you want to believe that against a team like Tech, Talib is in a "shut down half the field role" than go ahead, believe it.





Did you even watch ku football games last year?  The cornerbacks gave extra cushion to the receivers so that they wouldn't get burned deep.  Patterson and the other guys were too inexperienced... that's why they moved Thornton from safety to corner, which really helped the defense in the later part of the season.  Furthermore, I never suggested that Talib would improve ku's defense from 90th to 30th.  All I'm saying is that a guy who goes top 20 in the '08 NFL Draft would have made a significant difference.  He was a guy who could shut down half of the field, which is one of the main reasons why ku went 12-1 in '07.

Yup, shut down half the field...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ek0ANQ8bRfo
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April 30, 2009, 03:20:10 PM
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Talented teams with spread type attacks negate "shut down half the field" corners Bentard . . . this isn't that hard.  

A Talented spread offense team torched ku for 368 yards passing, 3 passing TD's, and an 82% completion percentage on FIFTY ATTEMPTS and ZERO int's with Talib starting at CB.   So yeah, lets talk about "shut down  half the field corners" going up against talented spread attacks Bentard.

Come on dude . . . just let it go, you're getting pummeled here.






April 30, 2009, 03:23:03 PM
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You're pretending like I'm getting "pummeled" when you're the one suggesting that a 1st team All-American and top 20 NFL Draft pick wouldn't have made a difference?



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April 30, 2009, 03:26:01 PM
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He made no difference against Missouri in 2007 . . . none, mu completed 82% of their passes.

Now roll up the clock one year, ku even has worse overall talent going up against dink and dunk spread type teams, and it's going to be the same story . . . Talib or not . . . where he shined was against teams like VT who stupidly tried to go one on one with him and run either vertical or out routes that a spread attack is going to shy away from against a good CB.

Again, this isn't that hard . . . but you're so freaking desperate to always be right, you'll continue to argue your idiotic point.



« Last Edit: April 30, 2009, 03:29:04 PM by sonofdaxjones »

April 30, 2009, 03:32:26 PM
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Now 'Pad's just getting  :curse:


One reason Talib didn't do much vs. Mizzou is because they didn't throw to his side of the field.  Also, way to nitpick one game out of an entire season.  Oklahoma State had a potent offense with Dez Bryant, Adarius Bowman, Brandon Pettigrew, and Zac Robinson, and Talib finished that game with 9 tackles and an INT.  He knocked Bowman out of the game on a hard tackle.  ku held OSU to 276 yards passing... no way the number is that low if ku plays OSU in '08.  Please continue with the denial, though.  It's quite entertaining. 

April 30, 2009, 03:36:45 PM
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At least Mangino agrees with me, 'Pad. 



http://www2.kusports.com/news/2008/nov/20/mangino-loss-talib-no-1-problem/

Since it became apparent that this year’s version of the Kansas University football defense would be significantly less stout than it was a season ago, debates about who has been the most sorely missed member of last year’s unit — defensive coordinator Bill Young? Cornerback Aqib Talib? Defensive tackle James McClinton? — have been numerous.

Earlier this week, however, the man best suited to answer that question decided to offer his opinion on the matter.

“The biggest issue for us is that we were able to have a corner last year that we could put on an island and therefore help the other corner, which solidified our pass defense,” said Kansas coach Mark Mangino of former All-American Talib, who was taken 20th overall by the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in last spring’s NFL Draft. “And we’re not able to do that this year. And that’s the No. 1 problem.”

The shortcomings of a Kansas defense that returned nine starters this fall have been well documented — the Jayhawks are ranked 90th in total defense and 86th in scoring defense after finishing 12th and fourth, respectively, in those categories in 2007 — but on Monday, Mangino delved into specifics of what the team is lacking this year in comparison to last.

In addition to the loss of Talib, the coach pointed to a lack of an effective pass rush, which was aided last year by the presence of McClinton, another All-American.

“We’re not as disruptive on the defensive line as we were a year ago,” he said. “And that’s probably the next biggest issue that we face.”

The departure of Young, who took the same position with the University of Miami following the ’07 season and currently has the Hurricanes in the top 10 nationally in total defense, was also broached.

While Mangino praised the work of Young during his six years in Lawrence, he put little stock in the idea that the loss of Young — or the subsequent promotion of Clint Bowen to defensive coordinator — has been a substantial hindrance to the Jayhawks this season.

“I don’t think that that’s the key reason,” Mangino said. “Bill did a great job for us. There were times, don’t forget, where we struggled early on on defense, and Bill stayed with it and got it right. Sure, Bill’s a veteran coach, but I don’t see that as a major issue.”



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"But, but, but... Talib wouldn't have made a difference!!!!"


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April 30, 2009, 03:51:37 PM
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Again, we're talking about 2 different things.   

OSU (with a 1st year starting QB) goes down field a lot more and their offense allowed defenses to put good CB's "on an island", good spread attacks welcome "on an island" CB's because they'll pick route them all day long.  But lets see OSU, oh yeah, OSU's 2007 passing attack was absolutely PROLIFIC Bentard . . . .averaging 243.2 yards per game for the entire season, and finishing a salty 45th in the country.  Congrats Aqib . . . you'll held the 2007 OSU passing attack to only 34 yards OVER their season average.

But hey, you keep pulling out dumbass comparisons and I'll keep making you look like and idiot.

To the Bentard . . .   

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April 30, 2009, 03:54:46 PM
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You are a f*cking dumbass if you think ku has better tailgating than K-State. Refer to this:  http://www.ksufans.com/forums/index.php?topic=28184.0

April 30, 2009, 03:55:48 PM
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April 30, 2009, 03:57:11 PM
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And with that Bentard's corner tosses in the towel.


April 30, 2009, 04:05:59 PM
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Nope... you fail to realize that Zac Robinson wasn't Oklahoma State's starter the entire year and that Oklahoma State had the #8 rushing offense in the country.  Besides, the point was that you can't just nitpick one specific game.  Talib's entire body of work earned him 1st team All-American status and a top 20 selection in the '08 NFL Draft.  Aside from that, Coach Mangino, who knows more than you'll ever know about the game of football, agrees with me. 


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April 30, 2009, 04:13:15 PM
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April 30, 2009, 04:15:13 PM
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I'm on phog.net right now.  Simultaneously. 

April 30, 2009, 04:16:55 PM
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What you fail to realize as always is that I speaking towards one style of offense that a Talib would have a lot harder time shutting down.  Thus, I keep point to specific games, and giving you specific reasons as to why having Talib out there wouldn't make a damn bit of difference.   Talib got his chance to play "shut down" corner against a prolific spread attack and they passed for nearly 400 yards, completed 82% of their passes on FIFTY attempts and passed for 3 TD's with no INTs'.   Look at the numbers against NU last year . . . nearly 30 completions, but only an 8.2 ypc rate, with at least 5 guys catching 4 passes or more . . . they'll formation to put Talib on an island and either run him out, or pick him, and have a field day against the rest of ku's weak secondary.   Thus he doesn't make that big a difference Bentard.   He would've made no difference against Tech, and Crabtree got his catches against almost everybody except OU.   Again, Talib strength was against teams trying either take him deep, or running out routes against him out of more traditional style vertical passing attacks.  

Plus lets not forget the reality of a 77 regular season SOS for ku in 2007 . . . that makes any talented defense look pretty good.

Hey I admit, Talib looked pretty good against that monster 85th ranked Virginia Tech passing attack.  

Again, you keep talking about whole seasons, I keep talking about Talib against a very specific passing attack.