should ku quit trying if they can't win the north this year?

[catdude33]

PowercatPat:  11 of those wins were against Big 12 competition.  2 of them were against teams that finished the season ranked: (9) Va Tech and (16) Mizzou.

11 Big 12 wins in 2 seasons is pretty meh.  Very average.

[cireksu]

Fatty:  The South is loaded.  I realize that.  Again, all I'm saying is that on any given night, an upset can happen.  Look at Colorado upsetting Oklahoma in Boulder a couple years ago.  As for the rest of your post, ku has a 1st team All Big 12 safety in Darrell Stuckey.  


PowercatPat:  11 of those wins were against Big 12 competition.  2 of them were against teams that finished the season ranked: (9) Va Tech and (16) Mizzou.  


JT:  I said '03 K-State was very good.  Better than good, but not quite great, IMO.

ksu 03 was a preseason top 5 team.  I'd call most preseason top 5 teams year in and out great.

[CrimsonBlue]

Mizzou was preseason top 5 last year and I wouldn't call them "great" by any stretch of the imagination.  It's more important where you finish.  Also, I have a tough time labeling any team that loses at home to Marshall along with 4 games in a season "great."   

[cireksu]

Fatty:  The South is loaded.  I realize that.  Again, all I'm saying is that on any given night, an upset can happen.  Look at Colorado upsetting Oklahoma in Boulder a couple years ago.  As for the rest of your post, ku has a 1st team All Big 12 safety in Darrell Stuckey.  


PowercatPat:  11 of those wins were against Big 12 competition.  2 of them were against teams that finished the season ranked: (9) Va Tech and (16) Mizzou.  


JT:  I said '03 K-State was very good.  Better than good, but not quite great, IMO.

ksu 03 was a preseason top 5 team.  I'd call most preseason top 5 teams year in and out great.

[JTKSU]

Mizzou was preseason top 5 last year and I wouldn't call them "great" by any stretch of the imagination.  It's more important where you finish.  Also, I have a tough time labeling any team that loses at home to Marshall along with 4 games in a season "great."   

Pretty sure we finished in a BCS bowl.  Right after we beat the bejesus out of, what was labeled at the time, one of the best teams in CFB history.  And you take any top 5 team's all conference QB and replace him with Jeff Schwinn, and they're going to lose some games.

[CrimsonBlue]

Mizzou was preseason top 5 last year and I wouldn't call them "great" by any stretch of the imagination.  It's more important where you finish.  Also, I have a tough time labeling any team that loses at home to Marshall along with 4 games in a season "great."   

Pretty sure we finished in a BCS bowl.  Right after we beat the bejesus out of, what was labeled at the time, one of the best teams in CFB history.  And you take any top 5 team's all conference QB and replace him with Jeff Schwinn, and they're going to lose some games.

Yeah, but you didn't finish in the top 10.  ku finished in the top 10 and won a BCS bowl in '07 and your fans are calling them a fluke. 

[JTKSU]

Mizzou was preseason top 5 last year and I wouldn't call them "great" by any stretch of the imagination.  It's more important where you finish.  Also, I have a tough time labeling any team that loses at home to Marshall along with 4 games in a season "great."   

Pretty sure we finished in a BCS bowl.  Right after we beat the bejesus out of, what was labeled at the time, one of the best teams in CFB history.  And you take any top 5 team's all conference QB and replace him with Jeff Schwinn, and they're going to lose some games.

Yeah, but you didn't finish in the top 10.  ku finished in the top 10 and won a BCS bowl in '07 and your fans are calling them a fluke. 

Yeah, because you had never done that before and followed it up with a 8-5 season.  Isn't that basically the definition of a fluke?

[CrimsonBlue]

K-State followed up the '03 Big 12 Championship with a 4-7 season. 




 

[CrimsonBlue]

Also, 8 wins in a season isn't bad at all.  K-State fans would kill to go 8-4 next season. 

[JTKSU]

K-State followed up the '03 Big 12 Championship with a 4-7 season. 




 

Yeah, but we'd been a highly ranked team for like 10 years at that point, setting a precedent .  Thus, not a fluke.  uk had never been that good and haven't been since.  Thus, fluke.

[sonofdaxjones]

The sadness of a 22 year old ku college student who has spent an entire Sunday on a K-State message board.

[CrimsonBlue]

K-State followed up the '03 Big 12 Championship with a 4-7 season. 




 

Yeah, but we'd been a highly ranked team for like 10 years at that point, setting a precedent .  Thus, not a fluke.  uk had never been that good and haven't been since.  Thus, fluke.

 

[JTKSU]

Also, 8 wins in a season isn't bad at all.  K-State fans would kill to go 8-4 next season. 

8 wins the season following your best in history is not good.  And comparing K-States hopes for next season with yours is just silly.  You think Florida says:  "I think 8 wins is pretty good.  Hell, Vanderbilt would be ecstatic with 8 wins next year."?  Also, didn't you go 8-5?

[CrimsonBlue]

The sadness of a 22 year old ku college student who has spent an entire Sunday on a K-State message board.

I've been watching NBA Playoffs and the NFL Draft.  Aside from that, it's been storming outside all day.  Go cry about getting pwned somewhere else, 'Pad.  

[CrimsonBlue]

Also, 8 wins in a season isn't bad at all.  K-State fans would kill to go 8-4 next season. 

8 wins the season following your best in history is not good.  And comparing K-States hopes for next season with yours is just silly.  You think Florida says:  "I think 8 wins is pretty good.  Hell, Vanderbilt would be ecstatic with 8 wins next year."?  Also, didn't you go 8-5?

Maybe it's a good idea if you sit the next couple of plays out.  You just keep digging yourself a deeper hole with each and every post.  I mean, you basically just compared ku to Florida and K-State to Vanderbilt.


 

[JTKSU]

K-State followed up the '03 Big 12 Championship with a 4-7 season. 




 

Yeah, but we'd been a highly ranked team for like 10 years at that point, setting a precedent .  Thus, not a fluke.  uk had never been that good and haven't been since.  Thus, fluke.

 

That was your response?  WTF?  Seriously dude, you're just not even trying anymore.  I'll chalk that up as a weak tap-out, at best.

[catdude33]

K-State followed up the '03 Big 12 Championship with a 4-7 season. 




 

Yeah, but we'd been a highly ranked team for like 10 years at that point, setting a precedent .  Thus, not a fluke.  uk had never been that good and haven't been since.  Thus, fluke.

 

Yeah, 2003 was a fluke.  We'd only won 11 games in 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000 and 2002 prior to the 2003 11 win season and been to 10 straight bowl games.  

[JTKSU]

Also, 8 wins in a season isn't bad at all.  K-State fans would kill to go 8-4 next season. 

8 wins the season following your best in history is not good.  And comparing K-States hopes for next season with yours is just silly.  You think Florida says:  "I think 8 wins is pretty good.  Hell, Vanderbilt would be ecstatic with 8 wins next year."?  Also, didn't you go 8-5?

Maybe it's a good idea if you sit the next couple of plays out.  You just keep digging yourself a deeper hole with each and every post.  I mean, you basically just compared ku to Florida and K-State to Vanderbilt.


 

See Ben, even you realize that you don't belong to be spoken about in the same breath as real football programs.  That is exactly the reason that everyone living outside of Lawrence thinks '07 was a fluke.  Either have a winning history to back it up, or continue to follow it with success.  uk has (done) neither.

[CrimsonBlue]

Winning history?  K-State was the first D-1 football program to reach 500 losses.  ku leads the all-time series 64-36.  Like I said, sit the next couple of posts out.  Maybe try to regroup.   

[JTKSU]

Winning history?  K-State was the first D-1 football program to reach 500 losses.  ku leads the all-time series 64-36.  Like I said, sit the next couple of posts out.  Maybe try to regroup.   

How many 11 win season does uk have?  How many bowl wins?  How many bowl appearances?  How many conference or division championships?  Sadly, KSU was able to duplicate nearly a century of uk's accomplishments in a decade.  And no Ben, your Orange Bowl victory in 1952 does not lend credence to the 2007 season.  It must be recent history Ben, not leather helmet football history.

[sonofdaxjones]

The sadness of a 22 year old ku college student who has spent an entire Sunday on a K-State message board.

I've been watching NBA Playoffs and the NFL Draft.  Aside from that, it's been storming outside all day.  Go cry about getting pwned somewhere else, 'Pad.  

Owned . . . 

The guy who turns any discussion about 2007 being a fluke for ku football into a 80 plus post thread, and literally bites on any and all perceived slights of ku is saying this??   

[CrimsonBlue]

wut

[Cautiously Optimistic]

So will he be the next Chris Simms?

[Dick Knewheizel]

You're not making any sense at all, as usual.  The '07 season and '08 season featured two different teams with different personnel and a different schedule.  Just admit that the 12-1 Orange Bowl season is still killing you.  Just admit that the fact ku is the favorite to win the North in '09 is already killing you.  TIA.

What on earth does different personnel have to do with anything?  07 was a good season against weak competition in which you didn't play for Big XII championship and '08 was mediocre. 

So if ku had Aqib Talib (1st team All-American) and Anthony Collins (2nd-team All-American) back for '08, they would have still been mediocre? 

fluke actually played some good teams in 08 so, in a word, yes. 

Okay, then.  I tend to disagree with you.  A 1st team All-American, top 20 NFL draft pick at cornerback along with a 2nd team All-American, 3rd round NFL draft pick at o-tackle would make a bit of a difference, IMO.

 
Anthony Collins was a 4th round pick and uk had 4 guys drafted that year.  You're acting like a mongoloid. 
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2008/tracker#dt-tab-set-1:dt-by-college/conf-big12

College football players run out of eligibility, and some of them even graduate (not uk).  That's how the game is played.  Didn't ya'll return like 9 starters on D only to get sh*t stompted by all the decent teams you played?  You played a dog sh*t schedule in 2007 and won 12 games by the great goodness of god, then backed into the 5th BCS bowl game in a 12 games season(stuff NEW to CFB).  Wake the F*ck up, ya sound like a jagass

[CrimsonBlue]

You sound pissed.  Thanks for getting the facts straightened out for me, stat boy.  It really doesn't matter if Anthony Collins was a 3rd or 4th round pick... he was dominant in his final year at ku.  My point was that the '07 team and '08 team were different.  20 wins in two years and back-to-back bowls is very good for ku football, especially considering where we were a few short years ago.  K-State has replaced us as the doormat of the Big 12.  Congrats, and make sure not to kill yourself when ku comes into Manhattan and skull f*cks your group of juco scrubs.


 

 

[Eurekahwk]

Blindside offensive tackle is the most important offensive position in football.  So I'd say a rube trying to protect Reesing's backside was the biggest battle we dealt with all year.  It meant that Sparky spent the entire game worrying not only about his reads but how long he had to run through them.  We lost both of our returning tackles.  He spent a lot of time on the seat of his pants because of it.  I'd say if we had Collins, that means a less beaten Reesing.  That would definitely be worth a couple more wins. And working in a newbie D-Coordinator, regardless of how many guys returned, had a major effect.  Bill Young was much more knowledgeable than Clint Bowen.  I think we can lay this argument to rest after Kansas runs through the north and beats an underachieving south team in the championship.  Much like you guys did in 03.  OU laid a major egg that year.  Not just to you guys in KC, but in the championship game they didn't belong in.  It has become Stoops signature in Norman.

[JTKSU]

Blindside offensive tackle is the most important offensive position in football.  So I'd say a rube trying to protect Reesing's backside was the biggest battle we dealt with all year.  It meant that Sparky spent the entire game worrying not only about his reads but how long he had to run through them.  We lost both of our returning tackles.  He spent a lot of time on the seat of his pants because of it.  I'd say if we had Collins, that means a less beaten Reesing.  That would definitely be worth a couple more wins. And working in a newbie D-Coordinator, regardless of how many guys returned, had a major effect.  Bill Young was much more knowledgeable than Clint Bowen.  I think we can lay this argument to rest after Kansas runs through the north and beats an underachieving south team in the championship.  Much like you guys did in 03.  OU laid a major egg that year.  Not just to you guys in KC, but in the championship game they didn't belong in.  It has become Stoops signature in Norman.

Um.  If you couldn't do that in your greatest season in history, what makes you so sure that you will do it this year?  And even if you did reach the CCG, you would most likely end up playing UT or OU.  Please refresh my memory and let me know your record against those two teams since the inception of the Big 12.

[fatty fat fat]

Blindside offensive tackle is the most important offensive position in football.  So I'd say a rube trying to protect Reesing's backside was the biggest battle we dealt with all year.  It meant that Sparky spent the entire game worrying not only about his reads but how long he had to run through them.  We lost both of our returning tackles.  He spent a lot of time on the seat of his pants because of it.  I'd say if we had Collins, that means a less beaten Reesing.  That would definitely be worth a couple more wins. And working in a newbie D-Coordinator, regardless of how many guys returned, had a major effect.  Bill Young was much more knowledgeable than Clint Bowen.  I think we can lay this argument to rest after Kansas runs through the north and beats an underachieving south team in the championship.  Much like you guys did in 03.  OU laid a major egg that year.  Not just to you guys in KC, but in the championship game they didn't belong in.  It has become Stoops signature in Norman.

stoops is f*cking 6-1 in big 12 championship games. he's a goddamned monster. there is a reason ku isn't anywhere close to beating ou/texas.

[Winters]

O.T.    LOL @ BMW in this thread

[KSUTOMMY]

Fatty:  K-State in '03 was a very good team, but you weren't great.  Oklahoma was undefeated going into that game and still played in the national title.  They were loaded that year.  It was quite an upset, especially given the way K-State completely dominated.  Oklahoma was shell-shocked.  All I'm saying is that you never know what can happen on any given night.


JT:  No, that's not what I'm saying at all.  What I'm saying is that if you compete for the North, you compete for the Big 12.  If you win the North, you play in the Big 12 championship. 

By this "logic" ALL of the teams in the north are playing for the Big 12 Ch!!! YAAAY!!! You moron - you are blinded by one good season AND anything can happen, like when a team who plays nobody backs into the Orange Bowl to play perhaps the 2nd most overrated team in the country that year (and many years) in VT.