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Sports => Frank Martin's OOD sponsored by the "Angriest Fans in America" => Topic started by: BGH on August 12, 2008, 06:19:55 PM
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everyone here knows/understands the reason Beasley came to K State right? Lets recap.... Michael Beasley/DC Assault + assitant coach University of Charlotte/Dalonte Hill/DC Assault= (here is the confusing part)first Michael Beasley to the University of Charlotte. Then..... assitant coach Kansas State/Dalonte Hill/DC Assualt + Michael Beasley/DC Assualt = Michael Beasley to Kansas State. Before Michael Beasley come along Dalonte Hill was a AAU coach. Nothing more!
In the end the difference between Kansas and K State.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/BlueGrassHawks/ku_bkc_memphis_championship_ta_1087.jpg)
That and your school color is purple. :lol:
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2 words... Ronnie Chalmers... basketball recruiting is all about strategy these days. Teams will do what it takes to bring in top notch talent... even your beloved gayhawks
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Dalonte is still on the KSU staff, chalmers isn't. He was thrown away once his recruit moved on, Hill is a legit coach.
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Dalonte is still on the KSU staff, chalmers isn't. He was thrown away once his recruit moved on, Hill is a legit coach.
Delonte has been responsible for many players on our roster currently, and those we have committed/ close to committed for '09. See the difference between hiring a kid's dad and hiring a great recruiter with a seemingly endless pipeline from which to draw future talent?
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ku -> National Champs
ksu -> Not National Champs
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ku -> National Champs
ksu -> Not National Champs
LOL. Seriously? Are you high?
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Dalonte is still on the KSU staff, chalmers isn't. He was thrown away once his recruit moved on, Hill is a legit coach.
Delonte has been responsible for many players on our roster currently, and those we have committed/ close to committed for '09. See the difference between hiring a kid's dad and hiring a great recruiter with a seemingly endless pipeline from which to draw future talent?
no similarities at all. IF Dalonte leaves we will cry, when ronnie left ku cheered.
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Dalonte Hill = K-State's top assistant coach
Ronnie Chalmers = glorified ball boy
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Dalonte is still on the KSU staff, chalmers isn't. He was thrown away once his recruit moved on, Hill is a legit coach.
Delonte has been responsible for many players on our roster currently, and those we have committed/ close to committed for '09. See the difference between hiring a kid's dad and hiring a great recruiter with a seemingly endless pipeline from which to draw future talent?
no similarities at all. IF Dalonte leaves we will cry, when ronnie left ku cheered.
I know. Disgusting, right?
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In the end the difference between Kansas and K State.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/BlueGrassHawks/ku_bkc_memphis_championship_ta_1087.jpg)
Pit stains? :confused:
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2 words... Ronnie Chalmers... basketball recruiting is all about strategy these days. Teams will do what it takes to bring in top notch talent... even your beloved gayhawks
I have no problem with this. Its the staties that seem to not understand this concept.
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Dalonte is still on the KSU staff, chalmers isn't. He was thrown away once his recruit moved on, Hill is a legit coach.
Lets not get stupid!
You people are missing the point, where would Ronnie be without Mario???? Sucking ice cold Eskimo's balls.
Where would Dalonte be without Michael, probably taking it fist deep in the state pin. Niether guys getting off first base without thier golden ticket. The same situation going on at Baylor with the Wall kid. Stop trying to spin a story so it works for you.
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everyone here knows/understands the reason Beasley came to K State right? Lets recap.... Michael Beasley/DC Assault + assitant coach University of Charlotte/Dalonte Hill/DC Assault= (here is the confusing part)first Michael Beasley to the University of Charlotte. Then..... assitant coach Kansas State/Dalonte Hill/DC Assualt + Michael Beasley/DC Assualt = Michael Beasley to Kansas State. Before Michael Beasley come along Dalonte Hill was a AAU coach. Nothing more!
Dudebro, your math sucks.
1951 National Runner-Up!
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Dalonte is still on the KSU staff, chalmers isn't. He was thrown away once his recruit moved on, Hill is a legit coach.
Lets not get stupid!
You people are missing the point, where would Ronnie be without Mario???? Sucking ice cold Eskimo's balls.
Where would Dalonte be without Michael, probably taking it fist deep in the state pin. Niether guys getting off first base without thier golden ticket. The same situation going on at Baylor with the Wall kid. Stop trying to spin a story so it works for you.
Ronnie was discarded after chalmers left. Hill is still an EMAW.
Maybe that's why self can't recruit anymore, no one likes a racist you know?
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To end all this fatty all I need is for you to answer one question. Ready? Would Beasley of went to KSU without Hill? Im waiting!
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To end all this fatty all I need is for you to answer one question. Ready? Would Beasley of went to KSU without Hill? Im waiting!
I guess another perspective is...Would Reed (or any member of snowcoat) "of" gone to ku without Ronnie? Ronnie = insignificant to overall recruiting VS Hill = primary recruiter for those that don't speak Spanish.
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To end all this fatty all I need is for you to answer one question. Ready? Would Beasley of went to KSU without Hill? Im waiting!
The question is, would KSU have brought in Hill, if he wasn't bringing Beasley? Very likely, with his recruiting ties, Hill still might have been hired as a low level assistant.
Would Pappa Chalmers been hired had it not been for... well I really don't even need to ask that question.
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To end all this fatty all I need is for you to answer one question. Ready? Would Beasley of went to KSU without Hill? Im waiting!
The question is, would KSU have brought in Hill, if he wasn't bringing Beasley? Very likely, with his recruiting ties, Hill still might have been hired as a low level assistant.
Would Pappa Chalmers been hired had it not been for... well I really don't even need to ask that question.
exactly, hill was a shining star, beasley or not.
Hell, there is a reason people want him AFTER beasley is in the NBA. Is anyone scrambling to hire ronnie chalmers?
Zero comparison here. It's like ku doesn't even try to hide their cheating.
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I enjoy reading everyones spins but lets stay on topic. Would Beasley of came to KSU without Hill? This is your problem with Ronnie Chalmers right? That it took him to get his son. Still having a hard time seeing difference with Hill and Beasley. You know why.....because there is none. Sad!
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whats danny manning's dad up to these days?
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I enjoy reading everyones spins but lets stay on topic. Would Beasley of came to KSU without Hill? This is your problem with Ronnie Chalmers right? That it took him to get his son. Still having a hard time seeing difference with Hill and Beasley. You know why.....because there is none. Sad!
The scenarios are only similar in that a recruit came to both schools because of both men. Chalmers was laughably unqualified to be hired at ku. Dalonte (when he was hired by Huggins) was more than qualified to be our second assistant (behind Frank at the time). Ronnie brought his son...no one else. That was all he brought to the table. Dalonte has brought in more than his fair share of recruits, and done more than his fair share of coaching. Just because Beasley came to K-State because of Dalonte does not mean that he is not qualified for the job. He is. Ronnie Chalmers was not...that's the difference.
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whats danny manning's dad up to these days?
Looking at his National Championship ring. Something LGSU would no nothing about.
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I enjoy reading everyones spins but lets stay on topic. Would Beasley of came to KSU without Hill? This is your problem with Ronnie Chalmers right? That it took him to get his son. Still having a hard time seeing difference with Hill and Beasley. You know why.....because there is none. Sad!
The scenarios are only similar in that a recruit came to both schools because of both men. Chalmers was laughably unqualified to be hired at ku. Dalonte (when he was hired by Huggins) was more than qualified to be our second assistant (behind Frank at the time). Ronnie brought his son...no one else. That was all he brought to the table. Dalonte has brought in more than his fair share of recruits, and done more than his fair share of coaching. Just because Beasley came to K-State because of Dalonte does not mean that he is not qualified for the job. He is. Ronnie Chalmers was not...that's the difference.
So you agree that K State got Beasley because of Hill. And that Hill was nothing more than an AAU coach before coming to K State. Qualified? Looking at boths resume Ronnie was a High School head coach for 5 years with 2 State Championships. Dalonte agian was.....a AAU coach. Nothing more! Stepping back from the situation a would say Ronnie was a hell of a lot more "qualified" than Hill. Keep telling yourself what you want to here. Whatever helps you sleep at night.
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ku -> National Champs
ksu -> Not National Champs
LOL. Seriously? Are you high?
Maybe. Don't mean its not true, though. Right? Am I right? Huh?
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I enjoy reading everyones spins but lets stay on topic. Would Beasley of came to KSU without Hill? This is your problem with Ronnie Chalmers right? That it took him to get his son. Still having a hard time seeing difference with Hill and Beasley. You know why.....because there is none. Sad!
The scenarios are only similar in that a recruit came to both schools because of both men. Chalmers was laughably unqualified to be hired at ku. Dalonte (when he was hired by Huggins) was more than qualified to be our second assistant (behind Frank at the time). Ronnie brought his son...no one else. That was all he brought to the table. Dalonte has brought in more than his fair share of recruits, and done more than his fair share of coaching. Just because Beasley came to K-State because of Dalonte does not mean that he is not qualified for the job. He is. Ronnie Chalmers was not...that's the difference.
So you agree that K State got Beasley because of Hill. And that Hill was nothing more than an AAU coach before coming to K State. Qualified? Looking at boths resume Ronnie was a High School head coach for 5 years with 2 State Championships. Dalonte agian was.....a AAU coach. Nothing more! Stepping back from the situation a would say Ronnie was a hell of a lot more "qualified" than Hill. Keep telling yourself what you want to here. Whatever helps you sleep at night.
Do you enjoy just making crap up? Yes, at one time he was an AAU coach. However, he was NOT an AAU coach when he came to K-State.
"Hill joined the Kansas State staff on April 5, 2006 after spending three seasons as an assistant coach at his alma mater, Charlotte, under Bobby Lutz. He helped guide the 49ers to a 61-30 (.760) overall record and three consecutive postseason appearances from 2003-06, including a pair of trips to the NCAA Tournament (2004, 2005). Hill also helped the program to a share of the 2004 Conference USA regular season title as well as runner-up finishes in C-USA in 2005 and the Atlantic 10 this past season."
Further, if you can't discern the difference between hiring a father to get a kid from hiring a coach to get a kid, you may want to stop and think about it. It has the appearance of buying a player. While Delonte obviously had a close connection with Beasley, he isn't his father.
Lastly, the players that Hill has recruited outside of Beasley should have you convinced that he can recruit which is half the battle. Did Ronnie land any other players for ku?
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Hard to tell if BGH really doesn't get it (complete idiot) or if this is just a fishing exhibition.
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Hard to tell if BGH really doesn't get it (complete idiot) or if this is just a fishing exhibition.
The first one. Did you read the "BGH is a stupid hillbilly" thread?
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the only problem i have with the whole ronnie chalmers situation is that numerous squawks have come over here in the past and vehemently defended the fact that chalmers was a valuable member of the staff who contributed in significant ways. and now that his son is gone, they are all like "dump his ass, he was a idiot, bring in the next dude with a high-profile recruit!". just admit that it was all a sham, a ploy to get one kid, and nothing more. that's all you gotta do.
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HE HAS VALUABLE MILITARY EXPERIENCE! :eek:
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Ronnie was hired AFTER Mario signed. Jeez. Think about it. Mario signes with ku, then Ronnie is sad because their family lives way out in Alaska and won't ever get to see is son play, so Self (classy gentleman) gives him a little job so he can live in KS and attend every game. Simple and fair.
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Ronnie was hired AFTER Mario signed. Jeez. Think about it. Mario signes with ku, then Ronnie is sad because their family lives way out in Alaska and won't ever get to see is son play, so Self (classy gentleman) gives him a little job so he can live in KS and attend every game. Simple and fair.
Plus, it can be used as the reason he left as well. This spin would have been included in the initial statements when announcing his resignation imo. Will look foolish trying to apply it to the situation now.
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Ronnie was hired AFTER Mario signed. Jeez. Think about it. Mario signes with ku, then Ronnie is sad because their family lives way out in Alaska and won't ever get to see is son play, so Self (classy gentleman) gives him a little job so he can live in KS and attend every game. Simple and fair.
you know that ronnie and self could've had a verbal agreement as to what was going to happen before mario was allowed to sign anything, right? don't be naive.
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Ronnie was hired AFTER Mario signed. Jeez. Think about it. Mario signes with ku, then Ronnie is sad because their family lives way out in Alaska and won't ever get to see is son play, so Self (classy gentleman) gives him a little job so he can live in KS and attend every game. Simple and fair.
Plus, it can be used as the reason he left as well. This spin would have been included in the initial statements when announcing his resignation imo. Will look foolish trying to apply it to the situation now.
It looked kinda foolish in my brain before I typed it. That's kinda why I typed it.
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Chalmers was laughably unqualified to be hired at ku.
How about Frank at KSU? Both he and Ronnie were high school coaches before landing jobs KSU and ku.
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D1 experience prior to taking jobs at Kansas Regents Institutions:
Dalonte Hill: 8 years
Ronnie Chalmers: None
D1 coaching/administrative experience prior to taking jobs at Kansas Regents Institutions:
Dalonte Hill: 4 years
Ronnie Chalmers: None
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Chalmers was laughably unqualified to be hired at ku.
How about Frank at KSU? Both he and Ronnie were high school coaches before landing jobs KSU and ku.
LOL, WTF? Frank was a college assistant for 7 years before taking the KSU head job.
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If we sucked, would you guyz care so much? It's getting kinda weird imo.
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If we sucked, would you guyz care so much? It's getting kinda weird imo.
If K-State was still finishing in 10th place in the Big 12 would you care?? :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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If we sucked, would you guyz care so much? It's getting kinda weird imo.
You could say the same to ku fans. Or any fans of any team within the same state (or conference). We prolly wouldn't be bitter rivals with TX if they were terrible.
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If we sucked, would you guyz care so much? It's getting kinda weird imo.
You could say the same to ku fans. Or any fans of any team within the same state (or conference). We prolly wouldn't be bitter rivals with TX if they were terrible.
QFT
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If we sucked, would you guyz care so much? It's getting kinda weird imo.
If K-State was still finishing in 10th place in the Big 12 would you care?? :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
You aren't? When did this happen? (I don't really follow)
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bt does fatty charge you rights fees??
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Chalmers was laughably unqualified to be hired at ku.
How about Frank at KSU? Both he and Ronnie were high school coaches before landing jobs KSU and ku.
LOL, WTF? Frank was a college assistant for 7 years before taking the KSU head job.
honestly, why don't ku fans understand this? both frank and dalonte were assistant coaches at colleges (northeastern, cinci, charlotte) before coming to KSU. want to talk about high school coaches getting hired by universities? fine, then let's talk about Self hiring Wayne McClain out of Peoria Manual so that he could get his hands on Sergio McClain, Marcus Griffin and Frankie Williams. :popcorn: :billypopcorn:
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bt does fatty charge you rights fees??
What? If he is, I haven't been paying. Explain yourself.
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To end all this fatty all I need is for you to answer one question. Ready? Would Beasley of went to KSU without Hill? Im waiting!
I don't think you understand how recruiting works. If Hill (or main recruiter) wasn't here, we wouldn't be getting nearly anyone we have gotten. WTF are you arguing, anyways?
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This is all so amusing. If Ronnie was actually a coach for ku, then we might have something to debate. He was more than qualified to be the Director of Basketball Operations. Graduate degree, years in the Air Force and a successful high school coach. Martin and Hill weren't oozing with college coaching experience when they arrived at KSU. Hill was hired because he was the CEO, Chairman, Big Daddy, and Pimp of the DC Assault. No different than Ronnie getting hired, except his role was limited as a non-coach. Hill gets paid more than many head coaches, even though he doesn't have to do much more than give his DC Assault buddies a call and try to control his drinking.
When the NCAA makes it illegal for parents (Ronnie, Ed) and father-figures/mentors (Hill, Huggins) of recruits to accept jobs at these schools, let me know. Until then, I hope we sign up Carl Henry and Lance Stephenson, Sr for meaningless jobs at ku.
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Hill also had 8 years of D1 playing and coaching experience prior to coming to K-State.
This really isn't that hard to understand.
But we keep getting these "war and peace" style post from squawkville trying to "explain" it all to us. :rolleyes:
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How about Frank at KSU? Both he and Ronnie were high school coaches before landing jobs KSU and ku.
Pretty embarrassing self pwn d00d. I can see why you reversed field in a hurry.
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This is all so amusing. If Ronnie was actually a coach for ku, then we might have something to debate. He was more than qualified to be the Director of Basketball Operations. Graduate degree, years in the Air Force and a successful high school coach. Martin and Hill weren't oozing with college coaching experience when they arrived at KSU. Hill was hired because he was the CEO, Chairman, Big Daddy, and Pimp of the DC Assault. No different than Ronnie getting hired, except his role was limited as a non-coach. Hill gets paid more than many head coaches, even though he doesn't have to do much more than give his DC Assault buddies a call and try to control his drinking.
When the NCAA makes it illegal for parents (Ronnie, Ed) and father-figures/mentors (Hill, Huggins) of recruits to accept jobs at these schools, let me know. Until then, I hope we sign up Carl Henry and Lance Stephenson, Sr for meaningless jobs at ku.
Da Nile is a river in Santa Monica my friend, you need to check it out sime thime.
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Ronnie was hired AFTER Mario signed. Jeez. Think about it. Mario signes with ku, then Ronnie is sad because their family lives way out in Alaska and won't ever get to see is son play, so Self (classy gentleman) gives him a little job so he can live in KS and attend every game. Simple and fair.
LOL Very clever that Bill Self was smart enough to hire daddy AFTER Mario signed. I'm sure that has everybody fooled.
If you were one of the 100 applicants who had better qualifications than Ronnie, would YOU think it was fair?
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Chalmers was laughably unqualified to be hired at ku.
How about Frank at KSU? Both he and Ronnie were high school coaches before landing jobs KSU and ku.
LOL, WTF? Frank was a college assistant for 7 years before taking the KSU head job.
honestly, why don't ku fans understand this? both frank and dalonte were assistant coaches at colleges (northeastern, cinci, charlotte) before coming to KSU. want to talk about high school coaches getting hired by universities? fine, then let's talk about Self hiring Wayne McClain out of Peoria Manual so that he could get his hands on Sergio McClain, Marcus Griffin and Frankie Williams. :popcorn: :billypopcorn:
i'm honestly still waiting for a resident ku fan to address this ^. oh, and try not to sound like a dumbass in the process, please.
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If we sucked, would you guyz care so much? It's getting kinda weird imo.
If K-State was still finishing in 10th place in the Big 12 would you care?? :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
21-12 and an 11-seed in the tournament is embarrassing. Would have been ku's worst season since we missed the tourney in '89 because of probation. Your football team is also horrible.
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Yes, because we all know in the real world there are never, ever, ever any pre-arranged agreements. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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Hill also had 8 years of D1 playing and coaching experience prior to coming to K-State.
This really isn't that hard to understand.
But we keep getting these "war and peace" style post from squawkville trying to "explain" it all to us. :rolleyes:
...and that doesn't change the fact that K-State used him in order to sign the entire DC Assault AAU team. Take off the blinders, 'Pad.
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Hill also had 8 years of D1 playing and coaching experience prior to coming to K-State.
This really isn't that hard to understand.
But we keep getting these "war and peace" style post from squawkville trying to "explain" it all to us. :rolleyes:
...and that doesn't change the fact that K-State used him in order to sign the entire DC Assault AAU team. Take off the blinders, 'Pad.
I never denied that dumbass . . . what we are laughing at is the squawktard logic which continuously tries to claim the guy had no credentials whatsoever to be a Division 1 assistant coach. Reality says he had more than enough legitimate credentials to be a D1 assistant coach with or without the recruiting ties.
This isn't that hard.
Quit being a dumbass Ben.
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Hill also had 8 years of D1 playing and coaching experience prior to coming to K-State.
This really isn't that hard to understand.
But we keep getting these "war and peace" style post from squawkville trying to "explain" it all to us. :rolleyes:
...and that doesn't change the fact that K-State used IS USING him in order to sign the entire DC Assault AAU team. Take off the blinders, 'Pad.
Dalonte is the most underpaid coach in the biz :dancin:
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Hill also had 8 years of D1 playing and coaching experience prior to coming to K-State.
This really isn't that hard to understand.
But we keep getting these "war and peace" style post from squawkville trying to "explain" it all to us. :rolleyes:
...and that doesn't change the fact that K-State used him in order to sign the entire DC Assault AAU team. Take off the blinders, 'Pad.
I never denied that dumbass . . . what we are laughing at is the squawktard logic which continuously tries to claim the guy had no credentials whatsoever to be a Division 1 assistant coach. Reality says he had more than enough legitimate credentials to be a D1 assistant coach with or without the recruiting ties.
This isn't that hard.
Quit being a dumbass Ben.
Always with the :curse: :chainsaw:
Why wasn't Ronnie Chalmers qualified to be Director of Basketball Operations, 'Pad? Perhaps you could enlighten all of us.
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Hill also had 8 years of D1 playing and coaching experience prior to coming to K-State.
This really isn't that hard to understand.
But we keep getting these "war and peace" style post from squawkville trying to "explain" it all to us. :rolleyes:
...and that doesn't change the fact that K-State used him in order to sign the entire DC Assault AAU team. Take off the blinders, 'Pad.
I never denied that dumbass . . . what we are laughing at is the squawktard logic which continuously tries to claim the guy had no credentials whatsoever to be a Division 1 assistant coach. Reality says he had more than enough legitimate credentials to be a D1 assistant coach with or without the recruiting ties.
This isn't that hard.
Quit being a dumbass Ben.
Always with the :curse: :chainsaw:
Why wasn't Ronnie Chalmers qualified to be Director of Basketball Operations, 'Pad? Perhaps you could enlighten all of us.
There were already hundreds of Directors/Assistant AD's/Associate AD's of Basketball Operations at other schools, of whom many would've been very interested in the "opening" at ku . . . ku just happened to hire the dad of a top recruit who had no experience whatsoever as an administrator at the D1 level, or at any collegiate level for that matter.
You figure it out Ben.
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Hill also had 8 years of D1 playing and coaching experience prior to coming to K-State.
This really isn't that hard to understand.
But we keep getting these "war and peace" style post from squawkville trying to "explain" it all to us. :rolleyes:
...and that doesn't change the fact that K-State used him in order to sign the entire DC Assault AAU team. Take off the blinders, 'Pad.
I never denied that dumbass . . . what we are laughing at is the squawktard logic which continuously tries to claim the guy had no credentials whatsoever to be a Division 1 assistant coach. Reality says he had more than enough legitimate credentials to be a D1 assistant coach with or without the recruiting ties.
This isn't that hard.
Quit being a dumbass Ben.
Always with the :curse: :chainsaw:
Why wasn't Ronnie Chalmers qualified to be Director of Basketball Operations, 'Pad? Perhaps you could enlighten all of us.
who says he wasn't? all you have to do to be DOBO is type memos and schedule plane trips. i think ronnie could handle that. we're just attacking the double standard that exists because it's OK for ku to hire adults with ties to recruits but when KSU does it, it's shady and it's a sham and the NCAA should look into it and yada yada yada. get the point?
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Hill also had 8 years of D1 playing and coaching experience prior to coming to K-State.
This really isn't that hard to understand.
But we keep getting these "war and peace" style post from squawkville trying to "explain" it all to us. :rolleyes:
...and that doesn't change the fact that K-State used him in order to sign the entire DC Assault AAU team. Take off the blinders, 'Pad.
I never denied that dumbass . . . what we are laughing at is the squawktard logic which continuously tries to claim the guy had no credentials whatsoever to be a Division 1 assistant coach. Reality says he had more than enough legitimate credentials to be a D1 assistant coach with or without the recruiting ties.
This isn't that hard.
Quit being a dumbass Ben.
Always with the :curse: :chainsaw:
Why wasn't Ronnie Chalmers qualified to be Director of Basketball Operations, 'Pad? Perhaps you could enlighten all of us.
There were already hundreds of Directors/Assistant AD's/Associate AD's of Basketball Operations at other schools, of whom many would've been very interested in the "opening" at ku . . . ku just happened to hire the dad of a top recruit who had no experience whatsoever as an administrator at the D1 level, or at any collegiate level for that matter.
You figure it out Ben.
Danny Manning had no experience as an administrator at the D1 level when he was hired as DOBO. Try again, 'Pad.
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Lets think about this you all say an 11 seed and sht would be your worst season in forever? Well it wasn't for us it was a vast improvement and who took us there? Frank and 'Te, who as coaches can only get better with experience. We beat USC we beat some team 84-75 can't remember who we beat in that game. Oh yeah that team was national champ. We dominated that team thanks to the coaching where Frank took out offense for defense and so on. Beasley and Walker helped but Pullen made that game happen with proper coaching styles of 'Te and Frank. You know why you uk fans are still talking about our basketball season, your worried that with these coaches we will become a recruiting strong hold and will get better and better every year. Not saying every coach out there doesn't have a bad year or two. But uk fans are scared crapless that we are going to become a force in a sport other then football the sport that uk has supposedly dominated for all these years. Get ready for us cause we will get better. And with the coaching styles of Frank and 'Te we are going to become an all around team. What are his credentials? One of the best recuriting assistant coaches in the country, beating the national champs, beating a 6 seed when they were told there was no way, and improving our record. Can they be for basketball what Snyder was for football? Not sure yet, but one thing is for certain we are getting better. Don't sleep on K-state for a long time to come.
:ksu:
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So what Ben . . . how dumb to you have to be to try and say it was the same thing.
In addition, Manning was NOT the Director of Basketball Operations at first, he was Director of Student-Athlete Development/Team Manager and then several years later he took on SOME of the director of basketball operations duties.
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Perhaps you could make a detailed list of all of the qualifications needed for the prestigious job of Director of Basketball Operations.
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Perhaps you could make a detailed list of all of the qualifications needed for the prestigious job of Director of Basketball Operations.
for ku or the rest of the college basketball world?
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Validation Factor: High
(http://www.ihateku.com/images/jayhawkbands.jpg)
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Perhaps you could make a detailed list of all of the qualifications needed for the prestigious job of Director of Basketball Operations.
Well if you look at it logically it takes quite a few qualifications, afterall, Danny Manning had to basically be the team manager, before being given SOME Director of Basketball Operations duties.
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What amazes me is how the other "traditional elite" programs seem to get players without hiring dads.
How many dads has UNC, Duke, Indiana, Kentucky, or UCLA hired?
What does this tell us?
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Lets think about this you all say an 11 seed and sht would be your worst season in forever? Well it wasn't for us it was a vast improvement and who took us there? Frank and 'Te, who as coaches can only get better with experience. We beat USC we beat some team 84-75 can't remember who we beat in that game. Oh yeah that team was national champ. We dominated that team thanks to the coaching where Frank took out offense for defense and so on. Beasley and Walker helped but Pullen made that game happen with proper coaching styles of 'Te and Frank. You know why you uk fans are still talking about our basketball season, your worried that with these coaches we will become a recruiting strong hold and will get better and better every year. Not saying every coach out there doesn't have a bad year or two. But uk fans are scared crapless that we are going to become a force in a sport other then football the sport that uk has supposedly dominated for all these years. Get ready for us cause we will get better. And with the coaching styles of Frank and 'Te we are going to become an all around team. What are his credentials? One of the best recuriting assistant coaches in the country, beating the national champs, beating a 6 seed when they were told there was no way, and improving our record. Can they be for basketball what Snyder was for football? Not sure yet, but one thing is for certain we are getting better. Don't sleep on K-state for a long time to come.
:ksu:
Easy for you to say.
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Danny Manning had no experience as an administrator at the D1 level when he was hired as DOBO. Try again, 'Pad.
I'm pretty sure he was team towel boy before being "promoted" to DOBO.
Sad.
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the only problem i have with the whole ronnie chalmers situation is that numerous squawks have come over here in the past and vehemently defended the fact that chalmers was a valuable member of the staff who contributed in significant ways. and now that his son is gone, they are all like "dump his ass, he was a idiot, bring in the next dude with a high-profile recruit!". just admit that it was all a sham, a ploy to get one kid, and nothing more. that's all you gotta do.
I'm a ku fan obviously. I'll admit, I don't pay too much attention to the assistant coaches. I don't know what Ronnie did or did not do for the team. I DO KNOW THAT THE RESULT WAS A CHAMPIONSHIP. AND SORRY, IT WASN'T AGAINST ANY RULES. From my point of view, it is Bill Self's job to pay attention to the assistants and make sure they are doing the job that needs to be done as far as recruiting. Since we have been to the dance for 18 +/- straight years, the final four 5 of those years and won the national championship this year, I am more than happy as a fan. Sure, Bill Self took a risk hiring Ronnie Chalmers, seeing that he was just a High school coach. The administration is only going to allow so many assistants on the bench and as far as I am concerned, Ronnie worked out. My analogy would be to treat him like a sub you put in a game with the instruction, "don't hurt us". The sub's job isn't to score points or dish out assists but to give the regular guy a chance to rest without doing any damage in the game. From my perspective, Ronnie didn't do too much damage. The next "sub" may be different if there is one, but for now I'm happy. Are you?
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lol
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the only problem i have with the whole ronnie chalmers situation is that numerous squawks have come over here in the past and vehemently defended the fact that chalmers was a valuable member of the staff who contributed in significant ways. and now that his son is gone, they are all like "dump his ass, he was a idiot, bring in the next dude with a high-profile recruit!". just admit that it was all a sham, a ploy to get one kid, and nothing more. that's all you gotta do.
I'm a ku fan obviously. I'll admit, I don't pay too much attention to the assistant coaches. I don't know what Ronnie did or did not do for the team. I DO KNOW THAT THE RESULT WAS A CHAMPIONSHIP. AND SORRY, IT WASN'T AGAINST ANY RULES. From my point of view, it is Bill Self's job to pay attention to the assistants and make sure they are doing the job that needs to be done as far as recruiting. Since we have been to the dance for 18 +/- straight years, the final four 5 of those years and won the national championship this year, I am more than happy as a fan. Sure, Bill Self took a risk hiring Ronnie Chalmers, seeing that he was just a High school coach. The administration is only going to allow so many assistants on the bench and as far as I am concerned, Ronnie worked out. My analogy would be to treat him like a sub you put in a game with the instruction, "don't hurt us". The sub's job isn't to score points or dish out assists but to give the regular guy a chance to rest without doing any damage in the game. From my perspective, Ronnie didn't do too much damage. The next "sub" may be different if there is one, but for now I'm happy. Are you?
What risk was involved? Hire kids dad give him job, fire when son leaves school. some risk imo :ugh:
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what do you mean "you people". &@#%ing racist bastard.
:chainsaw:
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Hill also had 8 years of D1 playing and coaching experience prior to coming to K-State.
This really isn't that hard to understand.
But we keep getting these "war and peace" style post from squawkville trying to "explain" it all to us. :rolleyes:
...and that doesn't change the fact that K-State used him in order to sign the entire DC Assault AAU team. Take off the blinders, 'Pad.
I'm good with that. I just think that by ditching Ronnie so soon after mario left, it is pretty obvious mario was bought. I would prefer it if ku waited a year and didn't exploit the loophole so egregiously because I bet Frank and 'Te could really use it to their advantage in the future.
The real difference is, ku could pay Ronnie 120k and Ronnie could give his kid $40k with no violation occurring. Mario could then give to his teammates with no violation occuring. It is a good plan but different than hiring a coach to get that coach's star player because the coach can't pay his players, the dad can give his son $$.
How much did Ronnie make a year including bonuses etc?
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Perhaps you could make a detailed list of all of the qualifications needed for the prestigious job of Director of Basketball Operations.
for ku or the rest of the college basketball world?
You mean Ronnie's vast military experience wouldn't be at the very top of that list?? lol :jerkoff:
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But uk fans are scared crapless that we are going to become a force in a sport other then football the sport that uk has supposedly dominated for all these years.
You do understand the all time record between ku and K State in football right?
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Not saying every coach out there doesn't have a bad year or two. But uk fans are scared crapless that we are going to become a force in a sport other then football the sport that uk has supposedly dominated for all these years. Get ready for us cause we will get better. And with the coaching styles of Frank and 'Te we are going to become an all around team. :ksu:
You do understand the all time record between ku and K State in football right?
Do you realize that this is the Basketball forum?
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the only problem i have with the whole ronnie chalmers situation is that numerous squawks have come over here in the past and vehemently defended the fact that chalmers was a valuable member of the staff who contributed in significant ways. and now that his son is gone, they are all like "dump his ass, he was a idiot, bring in the next dude with a high-profile recruit!". just admit that it was all a sham, a ploy to get one kid, and nothing more. that's all you gotta do.
I'm a ku fan obviously. I'll admit, I don't pay too much attention to the assistant coaches. I don't know what Ronnie did or did not do for the team. I DO KNOW THAT THE RESULT WAS A CHAMPIONSHIP. AND SORRY, IT WASN'T AGAINST ANY RULES. From my point of view, it is Bill Self's job to pay attention to the assistants and make sure they are doing the job that needs to be done as far as recruiting. Since we have been to the dance for 18 +/- straight years, the final four 5 of those years and won the national championship this year, I am more than happy as a fan. Sure, Bill Self took a risk hiring Ronnie Chalmers, seeing that he was just a High school coach. The administration is only going to allow so many assistants on the bench and as far as I am concerned, Ronnie worked out. My analogy would be to treat him like a sub you put in a game with the instruction, "don't hurt us". The sub's job isn't to score points or dish out assists but to give the regular guy a chance to rest without doing any damage in the game. From my perspective, Ronnie didn't do too much damage. The next "sub" may be different if there is one, but for now I'm happy. Are you?
What risk was involved? Hire kids dad give him job, fire when son leaves school. some risk imo :ugh:
Well then, what are we all bitc*ing about. No risk, 1 National championship. No problem, Case closed.
Thanks
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the only problem i have with the whole ronnie chalmers situation is that numerous squawks have come over here in the past and vehemently defended the fact that chalmers was a valuable member of the staff who contributed in significant ways. and now that his son is gone, they are all like "dump his ass, he was a idiot, bring in the next dude with a high-profile recruit!". just admit that it was all a sham, a ploy to get one kid, and nothing more. that's all you gotta do.
I'm a ku fan obviously. I'll admit, I don't pay too much attention to the assistant coaches. I don't know what Ronnie did or did not do for the team. I DO KNOW THAT THE RESULT WAS A CHAMPIONSHIP. AND SORRY, IT WASN'T AGAINST ANY RULES. From my point of view, it is Bill Self's job to pay attention to the assistants and make sure they are doing the job that needs to be done as far as recruiting. Since we have been to the dance for 18 +/- straight years, the final four 5 of those years and won the national championship this year, I am more than happy as a fan. Sure, Bill Self took a risk hiring Ronnie Chalmers, seeing that he was just a High school coach. The administration is only going to allow so many assistants on the bench and as far as I am concerned, Ronnie worked out. My analogy would be to treat him like a sub you put in a game with the instruction, "don't hurt us". The sub's job isn't to score points or dish out assists but to give the regular guy a chance to rest without doing any damage in the game. From my perspective, Ronnie didn't do too much damage. The next "sub" may be different if there is one, but for now I'm happy. Are you?
What risk was involved? Hire kids dad give him job, fire when son leaves school. some risk imo :ugh:
Well then, what are we all bitc*ing about. No risk, 1 National championship. No problem, Case closed.
Thanks
You may want to check who started this thread, Sport.
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the only problem i have with the whole ronnie chalmers situation is that numerous squawks have come over here in the past and vehemently defended the fact that chalmers was a valuable member of the staff who contributed in significant ways. and now that his son is gone, they are all like "dump his ass, he was a idiot, bring in the next dude with a high-profile recruit!". just admit that it was all a sham, a ploy to get one kid, and nothing more. that's all you gotta do.
I'm a ku fan obviously. I'll admit, I don't pay too much attention to the assistant coaches. I don't know what Ronnie did or did not do for the team. I DO KNOW THAT THE RESULT WAS A CHAMPIONSHIP. AND SORRY, IT WASN'T AGAINST ANY RULES. From my point of view, it is Bill Self's job to pay attention to the assistants and make sure they are doing the job that needs to be done as far as recruiting. Since we have been to the dance for 18 +/- straight years, the final four 5 of those years and won the national championship this year, I am more than happy as a fan. Sure, Bill Self took a risk hiring Ronnie Chalmers, seeing that he was just a High school coach. The administration is only going to allow so many assistants on the bench and as far as I am concerned, Ronnie worked out. My analogy would be to treat him like a sub you put in a game with the instruction, "don't hurt us". The sub's job isn't to score points or dish out assists but to give the regular guy a chance to rest without doing any damage in the game. From my perspective, Ronnie didn't do too much damage. The next "sub" may be different if there is one, but for now I'm happy. Are you?
What risk was involved? Hire kids dad give him job, fire when son leaves school. some risk imo :ugh:
Well then, what are we all bitc*ing about. No risk, 1 National championship. No problem, Case closed.
Thanks
:dunno: I'm not bitching, just stating facts. Plus you didn't even really respond to treysolids post you just posted your own opinion that included a we won the nc and :blahblah:
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You dont have to talk to dobbie that way but I do believe someone needed to tell him that.
Here is the deal boys and girls.....
Lets be honest about the whole Hill Chalmers thing, in the end what did each program gain?
Mr Chalmers got ku a little thing called a National title.
Mr Hill gave K State the embarrassment of getting his ass out of jail for a DUI after one of the biggest wins in school history.
I think we can all agree Mr Chalmers > Mr Hill
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Yea I do understand the all time series in football but if you read my thread I talk about how Snyder turned that program around and we started DOMINATING kus ass, thus I stated that if any coaches can turn our basketball program around it could be 'te and frank. We will start kicking your ass at basketball here pretty soon too, maybe you lead the all time series but its the turn around of the century and our basketball program will follow pretty soon.
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Yea I do understand the all time series in football but if you read my thread I talk about how Snyder turned that program around and we started DOMINATING KSU ass, thus I stated that if any coaches can turn our basketball program around it could be 'te and frank. We will start kicking your ass at basketball here pretty soon too, maybe you lead the all time series but its the turn around of the century and our basketball program will follow pretty soon.
:confused:
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Lets be honest about the whole Hill Chalmers thing, in the end what did each program gain?
Mr Chalmers got ku a little thing called a National title.
Mr Hill gave K State the embarrassment of getting his ass out of jail for a DUI after one of the biggest wins in school history.
I think we can all agree Mr Chalmers > Mr Hill
Mr Hill Brings:
5 Star Wally Judge
4 Star Rodney McGruger
4 Star Dominique Sutton
3 Star Jacob Pullen
3 Star Jaamar Samuals
5 Star, #1 ranked, #2 NBA Draft Pick, Michael Beasley
Mr. Chalmers brings:
5 Star, 2nd round draft pick, Mario Chalmers
Yes indeed, Mr. Chalmers>>>>Mr. Hill :lol:
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But uk fans are scared crapless that we are going to become a force in a sport other then football the sport that uk has supposedly dominated for all these years.
You do understand the all time record between ku and K State in football right?
Yes, but what is it in your lifetime?
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the only problem i have with the whole ronnie chalmers situation is that numerous squawks have come over here in the past and vehemently defended the fact that chalmers was a valuable member of the staff who contributed in significant ways. and now that his son is gone, they are all like "dump his ass, he was a idiot, bring in the next dude with a high-profile recruit!". just admit that it was all a sham, a ploy to get one kid, and nothing more. that's all you gotta do.
I'm a ku fan obviously. I'll admit, I don't pay too much attention to the assistant coaches. I don't know what Ronnie did or did not do for the team. I DO KNOW THAT THE RESULT WAS A CHAMPIONSHIP. AND SORRY, IT WASN'T AGAINST ANY RULES. From my point of view, it is Bill Self's job to pay attention to the assistants and make sure they are doing the job that needs to be done as far as recruiting. Since we have been to the dance for 18 +/- straight years, the final four 5 of those years and won the national championship this year, I am more than happy as a fan. Sure, Bill Self took a risk hiring Ronnie Chalmers, seeing that he was just a High school coach. The administration is only going to allow so many assistants on the bench and as far as I am concerned, Ronnie worked out. My analogy would be to treat him like a sub you put in a game with the instruction, "don't hurt us". The sub's job isn't to score points or dish out assists but to give the regular guy a chance to rest without doing any damage in the game. From my perspective, Ronnie didn't do too much damage. The next "sub" may be different if there is one, but for now I'm happy. Are you?
Reasonable enough, phogdog, but what is inaccurate is to say that us hiring Hill is the same as you hiring Ronnie.
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I enjoy reading everyones spins but lets stay on topic. Would Beasley of came to KSU without Hill? This is your problem with Ronnie Chalmers right? That it took him to get his son. Still having a hard time seeing difference with Hill and Beasley. You know why.....because there is none. Sad!
Then you're an idiot, it's really that simple
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Lets be honest about the whole Hill Chalmers thing, in the end what did each program gain?
Mr Chalmers got ku a little thing called a National title.
Mr Hill gave K State the embarrassment of getting his ass out of jail for a DUI after one of the biggest wins in school history.
I think we can all agree Mr Chalmers > Mr Hill
Mr Hill Brings:
5 Star Wally Judge
4 Star Rodney McGruger
4 Star Dominique Sutton
3 Star Jacob Pullen
3 Star Jaamar Samuals
5 Star, #1 ranked, #2 NBA Draft Pick, Michael Beasley
Mr. Chalmers brings:
5 Star, 2nd round draft pick, Mario Chalmers
Yes indeed, Mr. Chalmers>>>>Mr. Hill :lol:
yoman you forgot one other little thing Mr Chalmers brought to ku.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/BlueGrassHawks/ku_bkc_championship_chalmers_three7.jpg)
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But uk fans are scared crapless that we are going to become a force in a sport other then football the sport that uk has supposedly dominated for all these years.
You do understand the all time record between ku and K State in football right?
Yes, but what is it in your lifetime?
14 to 17 K State with 1 tie(1987). K State had a nice little run on ku with 11 straight between 1993 to 2003. Some great teams in that era, hell a 4th down play against A&M from playing for a NC. leawood, I dont hate K State its just an athletic event. I like to see what type of responses I can get from you people nothing more.
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K State had a nice little run on ku with 11 straight between 1993 to 2003.
http://football.stassen.com/cgi-bin/records/opp-opp.pl?start=1993&end=2003&team1=Kansas+State&team2=Kansas
Average score in Lawrence
45.8 - 8.80
Nothing little about that. That's big brother kicking the crap out of little brother. :bootyshake:
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K State had a nice little run on ku with 11 straight between 1993 to 2003.
http://football.stassen.com/cgi-bin/records/opp-opp.pl?start=1993&end=2003&team1=Kansas+State&team2=Kansas
Average score in Lawrence
45.8 - 8.80
Nothing little about that. That's big brother kicking the crap out of little brother. :bootyshake:
Wouldnt the University that didnt have to take a Grant from the State be the big brother?
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Hey fatty thats a nice site you have there, dont forget to look a little deeper.
http://football.stassen.com/cgi-bin/records/opp-opp.pl?start=1869&end=2007&team1=Kansas&team2=Kansas+State
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in all honestly it's just stunning how bad we were. of course i wasn't alive so, :sleep:
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Atleast you were really good at being really bad. Hell, Kansas State was the first NCAA team to lose 500 games. They will never be able to take that from you!
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Atleast you were really good at being really bad. Hell, Kansas State was the first NCAA team to lose 500 games. They will never be able to take that from you!
A record!
:dancin: :woohoo:
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K State had a nice little run on ku with 11 straight between 1993 to 2003.
http://football.stassen.com/cgi-bin/records/opp-opp.pl?start=1993&end=2003&team1=Kansas+State&team2=Kansas
Average score in Lawrence
45.8 - 8.80
Nothing little about that. That's big brother kicking the crap out of little brother. :bootyshake:
Wouldnt the University that didnt have to take a Grant from the State be the big brother?
What??
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K State had a nice little run on ku with 11 straight between 1993 to 2003.
http://football.stassen.com/cgi-bin/records/opp-opp.pl?start=1993&end=2003&team1=Kansas+State&team2=Kansas
Average score in Lawrence
45.8 - 8.80
Nothing little about that. That's big brother kicking the crap out of little brother. :bootyshake:
Wouldnt the University that didnt have to take a Grant from the State be the big brother?
What??
Set the hook...
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K State had a nice little run on ku with 11 straight between 1993 to 2003.
http://football.stassen.com/cgi-bin/records/opp-opp.pl?start=1993&end=2003&team1=Kansas+State&team2=Kansas
Average score in Lawrence
45.8 - 8.80
Nothing little about that. That's big brother kicking the crap out of little brother. :bootyshake:
Wouldnt the University that didnt have to take a Grant from the State be the big brother?
What??
Yes Jaynie? Quick question, do you have a bell that goes off when the letters K and U come up?
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K State had a nice little run on ku with 11 straight between 1993 to 2003.
http://football.stassen.com/cgi-bin/records/opp-opp.pl?start=1993&end=2003&team1=Kansas+State&team2=Kansas
Average score in Lawrence
45.8 - 8.80
Nothing little about that. That's big brother kicking the crap out of little brother. :bootyshake:
Wouldnt the University that didnt have to take a Grant from the State be the big brother?
What??
Yes Jaynie? Quick question, do you have a bell that goes off when the letters K and U come up?
No, I just tend to notice threads on my home board on the Interwebs.
Say, go mention K-State on kusportstards.com and then see what you get.
Damn . . . .
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the only problem i have with the whole ronnie chalmers situation is that numerous squawks have come over here in the past and vehemently defended the fact that chalmers was a valuable member of the staff who contributed in significant ways. and now that his son is gone, they are all like "dump his ass, he was a idiot, bring in the next dude with a high-profile recruit!". just admit that it was all a sham, a ploy to get one kid, and nothing more. that's all you gotta do.
I'm a ku fan obviously. I'll admit, I don't pay too much attention to the assistant coaches. I don't know what Ronnie did or did not do for the team. I DO KNOW THAT THE RESULT WAS A CHAMPIONSHIP. AND SORRY, IT WASN'T AGAINST ANY RULES. From my point of view, it is Bill Self's job to pay attention to the assistants and make sure they are doing the job that needs to be done as far as recruiting. Since we have been to the dance for 18 +/- straight years, the final four 5 of those years and won the national championship this year, I am more than happy as a fan. Sure, Bill Self took a risk hiring Ronnie Chalmers, seeing that he was just a High school coach. The administration is only going to allow so many assistants on the bench and as far as I am concerned, Ronnie worked out. My analogy would be to treat him like a sub you put in a game with the instruction, "don't hurt us". The sub's job isn't to score points or dish out assists but to give the regular guy a chance to rest without doing any damage in the game. From my perspective, Ronnie didn't do too much damage. The next "sub" may be different if there is one, but for now I'm happy. Are you?
Reasonable enough, phogdog, but what is inaccurate is to say that us hiring Hill is the same as you hiring Ronnie.
It is quite obvious that you hiring Hill isn't the same as us hiring Ronnie. That epiphany came to me about 4 months ago.
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the only problem i have with the whole ronnie chalmers situation is that numerous squawks have come over here in the past and vehemently defended the fact that chalmers was a valuable member of the staff who contributed in significant ways. and now that his son is gone, they are all like "dump his ass, he was a idiot, bring in the next dude with a high-profile recruit!". just admit that it was all a sham, a ploy to get one kid, and nothing more. that's all you gotta do.
I'm a ku fan obviously. I'll admit, I don't pay too much attention to the assistant coaches. I don't know what Ronnie did or did not do for the team. I DO KNOW THAT THE RESULT WAS A CHAMPIONSHIP. AND SORRY, IT WASN'T AGAINST ANY RULES. From my point of view, it is Bill Self's job to pay attention to the assistants and make sure they are doing the job that needs to be done as far as recruiting. Since we have been to the dance for 18 +/- straight years, the final four 5 of those years and won the national championship this year, I am more than happy as a fan. Sure, Bill Self took a risk hiring Ronnie Chalmers, seeing that he was just a High school coach. The administration is only going to allow so many assistants on the bench and as far as I am concerned, Ronnie worked out. My analogy would be to treat him like a sub you put in a game with the instruction, "don't hurt us". The sub's job isn't to score points or dish out assists but to give the regular guy a chance to rest without doing any damage in the game. From my perspective, Ronnie didn't do too much damage. The next "sub" may be different if there is one, but for now I'm happy. Are you?
Reasonable enough, phogdog, but what is inaccurate is to say that us hiring Hill is the same as you hiring Ronnie.
It is quite obvious that you hiring Hill isn't the same as us hiring Ronnie. That epiphany came to me about 4 months ago.
LOL Touche. MCMW Can we assume that Henry's dad is the next towel boy?
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the only problem i have with the whole ronnie chalmers situation is that numerous squawks have come over here in the past and vehemently defended the fact that chalmers was a valuable member of the staff who contributed in significant ways. and now that his son is gone, they are all like "dump his ass, he was a idiot, bring in the next dude with a high-profile recruit!". just admit that it was all a sham, a ploy to get one kid, and nothing more. that's all you gotta do.
I'm a ku fan obviously. I'll admit, I don't pay too much attention to the assistant coaches. I don't know what Ronnie did or did not do for the team. I DO KNOW THAT THE RESULT WAS A CHAMPIONSHIP. AND SORRY, IT WASN'T AGAINST ANY RULES. From my point of view, it is Bill Self's job to pay attention to the assistants and make sure they are doing the job that needs to be done as far as recruiting. Since we have been to the dance for 18 +/- straight years, the final four 5 of those years and won the national championship this year, I am more than happy as a fan. Sure, Bill Self took a risk hiring Ronnie Chalmers, seeing that he was just a High school coach. The administration is only going to allow so many assistants on the bench and as far as I am concerned, Ronnie worked out. My analogy would be to treat him like a sub you put in a game with the instruction, "don't hurt us". The sub's job isn't to score points or dish out assists but to give the regular guy a chance to rest without doing any damage in the game. From my perspective, Ronnie didn't do too much damage. The next "sub" may be different if there is one, but for now I'm happy. Are you?
Reasonable enough, phogdog, but what is inaccurate is to say that us hiring Hill is the same as you hiring Ronnie.
It is quite obvious that you hiring Hill isn't the same as us hiring Ronnie. That epiphany came to me about 4 months ago.
LOL touche, you can't compare the two you retard. all things being equal, which obviously they weren't, hill is a much better hire. ku can't even play dirty well.
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the only problem i have with the whole ronnie chalmers situation is that numerous squawks have come over here in the past and vehemently defended the fact that chalmers was a valuable member of the staff who contributed in significant ways. and now that his son is gone, they are all like "dump his ass, he was a idiot, bring in the next dude with a high-profile recruit!". just admit that it was all a sham, a ploy to get one kid, and nothing more. that's all you gotta do.
I'm a ku fan obviously. I'll admit, I don't pay too much attention to the assistant coaches. I don't know what Ronnie did or did not do for the team. I DO KNOW THAT THE RESULT WAS A CHAMPIONSHIP. AND SORRY, IT WASN'T AGAINST ANY RULES. From my point of view, it is Bill Self's job to pay attention to the assistants and make sure they are doing the job that needs to be done as far as recruiting. Since we have been to the dance for 18 +/- straight years, the final four 5 of those years and won the national championship this year, I am more than happy as a fan. Sure, Bill Self took a risk hiring Ronnie Chalmers, seeing that he was just a High school coach. The administration is only going to allow so many assistants on the bench and as far as I am concerned, Ronnie worked out. My analogy would be to treat him like a sub you put in a game with the instruction, "don't hurt us". The sub's job isn't to score points or dish out assists but to give the regular guy a chance to rest without doing any damage in the game. From my perspective, Ronnie didn't do too much damage. The next "sub" may be different if there is one, but for now I'm happy. Are you?
Reasonable enough, phogdog, but what is inaccurate is to say that us hiring Hill is the same as you hiring Ronnie.
It is quite obvious that you hiring Hill isn't the same as us hiring Ronnie. That epiphany came to me about 4 months ago.
LOL Touche. MCMW Can we assume that Henry's dad is the next towel boy?
I guess we will have to wait and see how things unfold. If the NCAA doesn't have any rules against a player's father being a "towel boy" and Henry's dad makes that a condition of Xavier coming to ku, they will have to make that decision. It worked once, it just might work again. As far as this being dirty, I'm not going to argue with K-State fans about that. You're going to inherently believe that every move ku makes is dirty.
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You're going to inherently believe that every move ku makes is dirty.
You're aware of the fact that you guys are the only team to be barred from defending their national championship aren't you? And that you won this year's while on probation, and with a guy who shouldn't have even been eligible? And that you're still on probation?
If the shoe fits....
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You're going to inherently believe that every move ku makes is dirty.
You're aware of the fact that you guys are the only team to be barred from defending their national championship aren't you? And that you won this year's while on probation, and with a guy who shouldn't have even been eligible? And that you're still on probation?
If the shoe fits....
Please tell me more about this player that "shouldn't have been eligible"? Im sure this is something that the NCAA would love to know about.
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Actually the NCAA doesn't care, it's only people who play by the rules that pay attention to things like DA not being able to count to 10. Now, excuse me, my elevator just arrived and I need to go relieve some tension after finishing my breakfast Chalupa.
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the only problem i have with the whole ronnie chalmers situation is that numerous squawks have come over here in the past and vehemently defended the fact that chalmers was a valuable member of the staff who contributed in significant ways. and now that his son is gone, they are all like "dump his ass, he was a idiot, bring in the next dude with a high-profile recruit!". just admit that it was all a sham, a ploy to get one kid, and nothing more. that's all you gotta do.
I'm a ku fan obviously. I'll admit, I don't pay too much attention to the assistant coaches. I don't know what Ronnie did or did not do for the team. I DO KNOW THAT THE RESULT WAS A CHAMPIONSHIP. AND SORRY, IT WASN'T AGAINST ANY RULES. From my point of view, it is Bill Self's job to pay attention to the assistants and make sure they are doing the job that needs to be done as far as recruiting. Since we have been to the dance for 18 +/- straight years, the final four 5 of those years and won the national championship this year, I am more than happy as a fan. Sure, Bill Self took a risk hiring Ronnie Chalmers, seeing that he was just a High school coach. The administration is only going to allow so many assistants on the bench and as far as I am concerned, Ronnie worked out. My analogy would be to treat him like a sub you put in a game with the instruction, "don't hurt us". The sub's job isn't to score points or dish out assists but to give the regular guy a chance to rest without doing any damage in the game. From my perspective, Ronnie didn't do too much damage. The next "sub" may be different if there is one, but for now I'm happy. Are you?
Reasonable enough, phogdog, but what is inaccurate is to say that us hiring Hill is the same as you hiring Ronnie.
It is quite obvious that you hiring Hill isn't the same as us hiring Ronnie. That epiphany came to me about 4 months ago.
LOL Touche. MCMW Can we assume that Henry's dad is the next towel boy?
I guess we will have to wait and see how things unfold. If the NCAA doesn't have any rules against a player's father being a "towel boy" and Henry's dad makes that a condition of Xavier coming to ku, they will have to make that decision. It worked once, it just might work again. As far as this being dirty, I'm not going to argue with K-State fans about that. You're going to inherently believe that every move ku makes is dirty.
Do you think the slew of candidates who applied for the job and were more qualified than Ronnie think this is "dirty". Believe me, if this was the only thing shady (no pun intended) thing ku has done to get ahead, we wouldn't be having this conversation.