You people amaze me....

[dobbie4ksu]

Lets think about this you all say an 11 seed and sht would be your worst season in forever? Well it wasn't for us it was a vast improvement and who took us there? Frank and 'Te, who as coaches can only get better with experience. We beat USC we beat some team 84-75 can't remember who we beat in that game. Oh yeah that team was national champ. We dominated that team thanks to the coaching where Frank took out offense for defense and so on. Beasley and Walker helped but Pullen made that game happen with proper coaching styles of 'Te and Frank. You know why you uk fans are still talking about our basketball season, your worried that with these coaches we will become a recruiting strong hold and will get better and better every year. Not saying every coach out there doesn't have a bad year or two. But uk fans are scared crapless that we are going to become a force in a sport other then football the sport that uk has supposedly dominated for all these years. Get ready for us cause we will get better. And with the coaching styles of Frank and 'Te we are going to become an all around team. What are his credentials? One of the best recuriting assistant coaches in the country, beating the national champs, beating a 6 seed when they were told there was no way, and improving our record. Can they be for basketball what Snyder was for football? Not sure yet, but one thing is for certain we are getting better. Don't sleep on K-state for a long time to come.

 

[sonofdaxjones]

So what Ben . . . how dumb to you have to be to try and say it was the same thing.  

In addition, Manning was NOT the Director of Basketball Operations at first, he was Director of Student-Athlete Development/Team Manager and then several years later he took on SOME of the director of basketball operations duties.

[EliteHawk]

Perhaps you could make a detailed list of all of the qualifications needed for the prestigious job of Director of Basketball Operations.

[mcmwcat]

Perhaps you could make a detailed list of all of the qualifications needed for the prestigious job of Director of Basketball Operations.

for ku or the rest of the college basketball world?

[KSU187]

Validation Factor: High

[sonofdaxjones]

Perhaps you could make a detailed list of all of the qualifications needed for the prestigious job of Director of Basketball Operations.

Well if you look at it logically it takes quite a few qualifications, afterall, Danny Manning had to basically be the team manager, before being given SOME Director of Basketball Operations duties.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

What amazes me is how the other "traditional elite" programs seem to get players without hiring dads. 

How many dads has UNC, Duke, Indiana, Kentucky, or UCLA hired? 

What does this tell us?

[Babytears]

Lets think about this you all say an 11 seed and sht would be your worst season in forever? Well it wasn't for us it was a vast improvement and who took us there? Frank and 'Te, who as coaches can only get better with experience. We beat USC we beat some team 84-75 can't remember who we beat in that game. Oh yeah that team was national champ. We dominated that team thanks to the coaching where Frank took out offense for defense and so on. Beasley and Walker helped but Pullen made that game happen with proper coaching styles of 'Te and Frank. You know why you uk fans are still talking about our basketball season, your worried that with these coaches we will become a recruiting strong hold and will get better and better every year. Not saying every coach out there doesn't have a bad year or two. But uk fans are scared crapless that we are going to become a force in a sport other then football the sport that uk has supposedly dominated for all these years. Get ready for us cause we will get better. And with the coaching styles of Frank and 'Te we are going to become an all around team. What are his credentials? One of the best recuriting assistant coaches in the country, beating the national champs, beating a 6 seed when they were told there was no way, and improving our record. Can they be for basketball what Snyder was for football? Not sure yet, but one thing is for certain we are getting better. Don't sleep on K-state for a long time to come.

 

Easy for you to say.

[michigancat]

Danny Manning had no experience as an administrator at the D1 level when he was hired as DOBO.  Try again, 'Pad.

I'm pretty sure he was team towel boy before being "promoted" to DOBO.

Sad.

[phogdog]

the only problem i have with the whole ronnie chalmers situation is that numerous squawks have come over here in the past and vehemently defended the fact that chalmers was a valuable member of the staff who contributed in significant ways.  and now that his son is gone, they are all like "dump his ass, he was a idiot, bring in the next dude with a high-profile recruit!".  just admit that it was all a sham, a ploy to get one kid, and nothing more.  that's all you gotta do. 

I'm a ku fan obviously.  I'll admit, I don't pay too much attention to the assistant coaches.  I don't know what Ronnie did or did not do for the team.  I DO KNOW THAT THE RESULT WAS A CHAMPIONSHIP.  AND SORRY, IT WASN'T AGAINST ANY RULES.  From my point of view, it is Bill Self's job to pay attention to the assistants and make sure they are doing the job that needs to be done as far as recruiting.  Since we have been to the dance for 18 +/- straight years, the final four 5 of those years and won the national championship this year, I am more than happy as a fan.  Sure, Bill Self took a risk hiring Ronnie Chalmers, seeing that he was just a High school coach.  The administration is only going to allow so many assistants on the bench and as far as I am concerned, Ronnie worked out.  My analogy would be to treat him like a sub you put in a game with the instruction, "don't hurt us".  The sub's job isn't to score points or dish out assists but to give the regular guy a chance to rest without doing any damage in the game.  From my perspective, Ronnie didn't do too much damage.  The next "sub" may be different if there is one, but for now I'm happy.  Are you?

[SUPERKSUFAN]

lol

[k-state-wildcats11]

the only problem i have with the whole ronnie chalmers situation is that numerous squawks have come over here in the past and vehemently defended the fact that chalmers was a valuable member of the staff who contributed in significant ways.  and now that his son is gone, they are all like "dump his ass, he was a idiot, bring in the next dude with a high-profile recruit!".  just admit that it was all a sham, a ploy to get one kid, and nothing more.  that's all you gotta do. 

I'm a ku fan obviously.  I'll admit, I don't pay too much attention to the assistant coaches.  I don't know what Ronnie did or did not do for the team.  I DO KNOW THAT THE RESULT WAS A CHAMPIONSHIP.  AND SORRY, IT WASN'T AGAINST ANY RULES.  From my point of view, it is Bill Self's job to pay attention to the assistants and make sure they are doing the job that needs to be done as far as recruiting.  Since we have been to the dance for 18 +/- straight years, the final four 5 of those years and won the national championship this year, I am more than happy as a fan.  Sure, Bill Self took a risk hiring Ronnie Chalmers, seeing that he was just a High school coach.  The administration is only going to allow so many assistants on the bench and as far as I am concerned, Ronnie worked out.  My analogy would be to treat him like a sub you put in a game with the instruction, "don't hurt us".  The sub's job isn't to score points or dish out assists but to give the regular guy a chance to rest without doing any damage in the game.  From my perspective, Ronnie didn't do too much damage.  The next "sub" may be different if there is one, but for now I'm happy.  Are you?

What risk was involved? Hire kids dad give him job, fire when son leaves school. some risk imo 

[MOKSUAZ]

what do you mean "you people".  &@#%ing racist bastard.
 

[LimestoneOutcropping]

Hill also had 8 years of D1 playing and coaching experience prior to coming to K-State.

This really isn't that hard to understand.

But we keep getting these "war and peace" style post from squawkville trying to "explain" it all to us.   

...and that doesn't change the fact that K-State used him in order to sign the entire DC Assault AAU team.  Take off the blinders, 'Pad.

I'm good with that.  I just think that by ditching Ronnie so soon after mario left, it is pretty obvious mario was bought.  I would prefer it if ku waited a year and didn't exploit the loophole so egregiously because I bet Frank and 'Te could really use it to their advantage in the future.

The real difference is, ku could pay Ronnie 120k and Ronnie could give his kid $40k with no violation occurring.  Mario could then give to his teammates with no violation occuring.  It is a good plan but different than hiring a coach to get that coach's star player because the coach can't pay his players, the dad can give his son $$.

How much did Ronnie make a year including bonuses etc?

[Brock Landers]

Perhaps you could make a detailed list of all of the qualifications needed for the prestigious job of Director of Basketball Operations.

for ku or the rest of the college basketball world?

You mean Ronnie's vast military experience wouldn't be at the very top of that list??   lol    

[BGH]

  But uk fans are scared crapless that we are going to become a force in a sport other then football the sport that uk has supposedly dominated for all these years.

You do understand the all time record between ku and K State in football right?

[SUPERKSUFAN]

Not saying every coach out there doesn't have a bad year or two. But uk fans are scared crapless that we are going to become a force in a sport other then football the sport that uk has supposedly dominated for all these years. Get ready for us cause we will get better. And with the coaching styles of Frank and 'Te we are going to become an all around team. 

You do understand the all time record between ku and K State in football right?

Do you realize that this is the Basketball forum?

[phogdog]

the only problem i have with the whole ronnie chalmers situation is that numerous squawks have come over here in the past and vehemently defended the fact that chalmers was a valuable member of the staff who contributed in significant ways.  and now that his son is gone, they are all like "dump his ass, he was a idiot, bring in the next dude with a high-profile recruit!".  just admit that it was all a sham, a ploy to get one kid, and nothing more.  that's all you gotta do. 

I'm a ku fan obviously.  I'll admit, I don't pay too much attention to the assistant coaches.  I don't know what Ronnie did or did not do for the team.  I DO KNOW THAT THE RESULT WAS A CHAMPIONSHIP.  AND SORRY, IT WASN'T AGAINST ANY RULES.  From my point of view, it is Bill Self's job to pay attention to the assistants and make sure they are doing the job that needs to be done as far as recruiting.  Since we have been to the dance for 18 +/- straight years, the final four 5 of those years and won the national championship this year, I am more than happy as a fan.  Sure, Bill Self took a risk hiring Ronnie Chalmers, seeing that he was just a High school coach.  The administration is only going to allow so many assistants on the bench and as far as I am concerned, Ronnie worked out.  My analogy would be to treat him like a sub you put in a game with the instruction, "don't hurt us".  The sub's job isn't to score points or dish out assists but to give the regular guy a chance to rest without doing any damage in the game.  From my perspective, Ronnie didn't do too much damage.  The next "sub" may be different if there is one, but for now I'm happy.  Are you?

What risk was involved? Hire kids dad give him job, fire when son leaves school. some risk imo 

Well then, what are we all bitc*ing about.  No risk, 1 National championship.  No problem, Case closed.
Thanks

[LimestoneOutcropping]

the only problem i have with the whole ronnie chalmers situation is that numerous squawks have come over here in the past and vehemently defended the fact that chalmers was a valuable member of the staff who contributed in significant ways.  and now that his son is gone, they are all like "dump his ass, he was a idiot, bring in the next dude with a high-profile recruit!".  just admit that it was all a sham, a ploy to get one kid, and nothing more.  that's all you gotta do. 

I'm a ku fan obviously.  I'll admit, I don't pay too much attention to the assistant coaches.  I don't know what Ronnie did or did not do for the team.  I DO KNOW THAT THE RESULT WAS A CHAMPIONSHIP.  AND SORRY, IT WASN'T AGAINST ANY RULES.  From my point of view, it is Bill Self's job to pay attention to the assistants and make sure they are doing the job that needs to be done as far as recruiting.  Since we have been to the dance for 18 +/- straight years, the final four 5 of those years and won the national championship this year, I am more than happy as a fan.  Sure, Bill Self took a risk hiring Ronnie Chalmers, seeing that he was just a High school coach.  The administration is only going to allow so many assistants on the bench and as far as I am concerned, Ronnie worked out.  My analogy would be to treat him like a sub you put in a game with the instruction, "don't hurt us".  The sub's job isn't to score points or dish out assists but to give the regular guy a chance to rest without doing any damage in the game.  From my perspective, Ronnie didn't do too much damage.  The next "sub" may be different if there is one, but for now I'm happy.  Are you?

What risk was involved? Hire kids dad give him job, fire when son leaves school. some risk imo 

Well then, what are we all bitc*ing about.  No risk, 1 National championship.  No problem, Case closed.
Thanks

You may want to check who started this thread, Sport.

[k-state-wildcats11]

the only problem i have with the whole ronnie chalmers situation is that numerous squawks have come over here in the past and vehemently defended the fact that chalmers was a valuable member of the staff who contributed in significant ways.  and now that his son is gone, they are all like "dump his ass, he was a idiot, bring in the next dude with a high-profile recruit!".  just admit that it was all a sham, a ploy to get one kid, and nothing more.  that's all you gotta do. 

I'm a ku fan obviously.  I'll admit, I don't pay too much attention to the assistant coaches.  I don't know what Ronnie did or did not do for the team.  I DO KNOW THAT THE RESULT WAS A CHAMPIONSHIP.  AND SORRY, IT WASN'T AGAINST ANY RULES.  From my point of view, it is Bill Self's job to pay attention to the assistants and make sure they are doing the job that needs to be done as far as recruiting.  Since we have been to the dance for 18 +/- straight years, the final four 5 of those years and won the national championship this year, I am more than happy as a fan.  Sure, Bill Self took a risk hiring Ronnie Chalmers, seeing that he was just a High school coach.  The administration is only going to allow so many assistants on the bench and as far as I am concerned, Ronnie worked out.  My analogy would be to treat him like a sub you put in a game with the instruction, "don't hurt us".  The sub's job isn't to score points or dish out assists but to give the regular guy a chance to rest without doing any damage in the game.  From my perspective, Ronnie didn't do too much damage.  The next "sub" may be different if there is one, but for now I'm happy.  Are you?

What risk was involved? Hire kids dad give him job, fire when son leaves school. some risk imo 

Well then, what are we all bitc*ing about.  No risk, 1 National championship.  No problem, Case closed.
Thanks

I'm not bitching, just stating facts. Plus you didn't even really respond to treysolids post you just posted your own opinion that included a we won the nc and  

[BGH]

You dont have to talk to dobbie that way but I do believe someone needed to tell him that.

Here is the deal boys and girls.....


Lets be honest about the whole Hill Chalmers thing, in the end what did each program gain?

Mr Chalmers got ku a little thing called a National title.

Mr Hill gave K State the embarrassment of getting his ass out of jail for a DUI after one of the biggest wins in school history.

I think we can all agree        Mr Chalmers > Mr Hill

[dobbie4ksu]

Yea I do understand the all time series in football but if you read my thread I talk about how Snyder turned that program around and we started DOMINATING kus ass, thus I stated that if any coaches can turn our basketball program around it could be 'te and frank. We will start kicking your ass at basketball here pretty soon too, maybe you lead the all time series but its the turn around of the century and our basketball program will follow pretty soon.

[k-state-wildcats11]

Yea I do understand the all time series in football but if you read my thread I talk about how Snyder turned that program around and we started DOMINATING KSU ass, thus I stated that if any coaches can turn our basketball program around it could be 'te and frank. We will start kicking your ass at basketball here pretty soon too, maybe you lead the all time series but its the turn around of the century and our basketball program will follow pretty soon.

[yoman]

Lets be honest about the whole Hill Chalmers thing, in the end what did each program gain?

Mr Chalmers got ku a little thing called a National title.

Mr Hill gave K State the embarrassment of getting his ass out of jail for a DUI after one of the biggest wins in school history.

I think we can all agree        Mr Chalmers > Mr Hill

Mr Hill Brings:
5 Star Wally Judge
4 Star Rodney McGruger
4 Star Dominique Sutton
3 Star Jacob Pullen
3 Star Jaamar Samuals
5 Star, #1 ranked, #2 NBA Draft Pick, Michael Beasley

Mr. Chalmers brings:
5 Star, 2nd round draft pick, Mario Chalmers

Yes indeed, Mr. Chalmers>>>>Mr. Hill  

[leawoodcat]

  But uk fans are scared crapless that we are going to become a force in a sport other then football the sport that uk has supposedly dominated for all these years.

You do understand the all time record between ku and K State in football right?

Yes, but what is it in your lifetime?

[leawoodcat]

the only problem i have with the whole ronnie chalmers situation is that numerous squawks have come over here in the past and vehemently defended the fact that chalmers was a valuable member of the staff who contributed in significant ways.  and now that his son is gone, they are all like "dump his ass, he was a idiot, bring in the next dude with a high-profile recruit!".  just admit that it was all a sham, a ploy to get one kid, and nothing more.  that's all you gotta do. 

I'm a ku fan obviously.  I'll admit, I don't pay too much attention to the assistant coaches.  I don't know what Ronnie did or did not do for the team.  I DO KNOW THAT THE RESULT WAS A CHAMPIONSHIP.  AND SORRY, IT WASN'T AGAINST ANY RULES.  From my point of view, it is Bill Self's job to pay attention to the assistants and make sure they are doing the job that needs to be done as far as recruiting.  Since we have been to the dance for 18 +/- straight years, the final four 5 of those years and won the national championship this year, I am more than happy as a fan.  Sure, Bill Self took a risk hiring Ronnie Chalmers, seeing that he was just a High school coach.  The administration is only going to allow so many assistants on the bench and as far as I am concerned, Ronnie worked out.  My analogy would be to treat him like a sub you put in a game with the instruction, "don't hurt us".  The sub's job isn't to score points or dish out assists but to give the regular guy a chance to rest without doing any damage in the game.  From my perspective, Ronnie didn't do too much damage.  The next "sub" may be different if there is one, but for now I'm happy.  Are you?

Reasonable enough, phogdog, but what is inaccurate is to say that us hiring Hill is the same as you hiring Ronnie.

[QuinnMac]

I enjoy reading everyones spins but lets stay on topic. Would Beasley of came to KSU without Hill? This is your problem with Ronnie Chalmers right? That it took him to get his son. Still having a hard time seeing difference with Hill and Beasley. You know why.....because there is none. Sad!

Then you're an idiot, it's really that simple

[BGH]

Lets be honest about the whole Hill Chalmers thing, in the end what did each program gain?

Mr Chalmers got ku a little thing called a National title.

Mr Hill gave K State the embarrassment of getting his ass out of jail for a DUI after one of the biggest wins in school history.

I think we can all agree        Mr Chalmers > Mr Hill

Mr Hill Brings:
5 Star Wally Judge
4 Star Rodney McGruger
4 Star Dominique Sutton
3 Star Jacob Pullen
3 Star Jaamar Samuals
5 Star, #1 ranked, #2 NBA Draft Pick, Michael Beasley

Mr. Chalmers brings:
5 Star, 2nd round draft pick, Mario Chalmers

Yes indeed, Mr. Chalmers>>>>Mr. Hill  

yoman you forgot one other little thing Mr Chalmers brought to ku.

[BGH]

  But uk fans are scared crapless that we are going to become a force in a sport other then football the sport that uk has supposedly dominated for all these years.

You do understand the all time record between ku and K State in football right?

Yes, but what is it in your lifetime?

14 to 17 K State with 1 tie(1987). K State had a nice little run on ku with 11 straight between 1993 to 2003. Some great teams in that era, hell a 4th down play against A&M from playing for a NC. leawood, I dont hate K State its just an athletic event. I like to see what type of responses I can get from you people nothing more.

[fatty fat fat]

K State had a nice little run on ku with 11 straight between 1993 to 2003.

http://football.stassen.com/cgi-bin/records/opp-opp.pl?start=1993&end=2003&team1=Kansas+State&team2=Kansas

Average score in Lawrence

45.8 - 8.80

Nothing little about that. That's big brother kicking the crap out of little brother.