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Fan Life => The Endzone Dive => Topic started by: Kat Kid on January 08, 2008, 07:53:31 PM
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Clinton is already going to spin the crap out of the "comeback" but seeing her hold the lead for this long, has the dread beginning to creep in like winter cold to the bones.
This would be an awful, depressing defeat.
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Manchester looks like it reported first, that is big for the Bama.
Roll Tide etc.
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Go Barak go! This guy is an implosion waiting to happen. :dancin:
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Go Barak go! This guy is an implosion waiting to happen. :dancin:
you are insane.
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Go Barak go! This guy is an implosion waiting to happen. :dancin:
you are insane.
Pubs' want him to win. I want hilary just because it will infuriate the reps' and because I listened to Bill on CSPAN, and my god he's good!
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Clinton is already going to spin the crap out of the "comeback" but seeing her hold the lead for this long, has the dread beginning to creep in like winter cold to the bones.
This would be an awful, depressing defeat.
clinton will win in nh. these things almost never change once 20+% have reported.
are you really still holding out hope?
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Go Barak go! This guy is an implosion waiting to happen. :dancin:
you are insane.
Nope, just rational. One of these days Obama is going to have to stop talking in broad general strokes and get specific about his far-left vision for America. Obama doesn't stand a chance if the Republicans manage to avoid nominating a raving lunatic like Huckaby or a closet Democrat like McCain.
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One of these days Obama is going to have to stop talking in broad general strokes and get specific about his far-left vision for America.
yes, if there is one thing modern american politics have proven, it is that the more detailed and specific a candidate is about his platform, the better his chances of being elected.
Obama doesn't stand a chance if the Republicans manage to avoid nominating a raving lunatic like Huckaby or a closet Democrat like McCain.
so, basically, you give him a 66.7% shot at victory?
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Romney is unelectable because he is mormon. As far as I am concerned, once the race loses Rudy we will be guarantted to be better off than the past 8 years.
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If Romney can in the governorship of Kennedyland he's far from unelectable in a national contest.
While avoiding taking any stances on actual issues is a winning recipe in a primary it's that or one's actual record in the general election. Neither bodes well for America's would-be second black president.
I was rather looking forward to a Hillary vs. Rudy cage match for the job. :curse:
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Clinton is already going to spin the crap out of the "comeback" but seeing her hold the lead for this long, has the dread beginning to creep in like winter cold to the bones.
This would be an awful, depressing defeat.
clinton will win in nh. these things almost never change once 20+% have reported.
are you really still holding out hope?
they do when the character of the precincts are staggeringly different.
It is down to 3% with 34% reporting and Clinton's biggest advantage (Manchester) all tucked away. I say Obama wins by at least 3-4%. A disappointment, but I'll take it considering the early scare.
Bill and Hill will spin this better than Rupanzel's slave but back-2-back losses are bad for the inevitable one.
South Carolina will be hilarious.
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If Romney can in the governorship of Kennedyland he's far from unelectable in a national contest.
While avoiding taking any stances on actual issues is a winning recipe in a primary it's that or one's actual record in the general election. Neither bodes well for America's would-be second black president.
I was rather looking forward to a Hillary vs. Rudy cage match for the job. :curse:
Obama has positions on issues.
I don't think he is as liberal as Clinton.
He certainly isn't as beholden to the traditional Clinton interest group machinery, NEA HATES Obama, unions tend to back Clinton or Edwards.
2 points now.
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If Romney can in the governorship of Kennedyland he's far from unelectable in a national contest.
While avoiding taking any stances on actual issues is a winning recipe in a primary it's that or one's actual record in the general election. Neither bodes well for America's would-be second black president.
I was rather looking forward to a Hillary vs. Rudy cage match for the job. :curse:
I just don't think a mormon can sway independents that will be needed nationwide. McCain could win for the republicans, but the primaries are his biggest obstacles. Clinton I think is the opposite case, could do good in the primaries but could be tough sell to independents.
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God the Clinton supporters in NH are disgusting to hear.
fatty, seriously for Hill? You know she supports Iraq War right? You know she voted for that stupid Iran bill by Lieberman. She will not leave Iraq during her first term.
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Still no Durham votes (UNH). Still no Hanover (Dartmouth).
This isn't over bitches.
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I hope he loses.
The campaign has already turned ugly. This will make it much nastier.
That makes it more fun.
:popcorn:
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Obama has positions on issues.
I don't think he is as liberal as Clinton.
He certainly isn't as beholden to the traditional Clinton interest group machinery, NEA HATES Obama, unions tend to back Clinton or Edwards.
Yes Obama has positions on issue like, for instance, the war: he's firmly against having invaded Saddam's Iraq (an enemy) but has said we should invade Pakistan (a nominal ally armed with nuclear weapons). Any you really think this guy's positions are well-defined enough to hold the office of President? I'm a bit afraid that he'll go on a 12-day coke bender and hit the big red button on the desk.
As much as I despise Hillary she would be the least damaging to the country of the Democratic candidates. Richardson might be marginally better but he's not worth considering at this point.
Mike - A Republican wins the governorship of one of the most liberal states in the union and you don't think he can win the general election? Sure there are some bigots out there but who are they going to elect? Obama? Hillary? Not in this lifetime.
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Still no Durham votes (UNH). Still no Hanover (Dartmouth).
This isn't over bitches.
still over 3% with almost half in. i have no idea what new hampshire geography/demography is like, but for clinton to end up losing, the reporting precs would have to be amazingly skewed.
i'm kind of rooting for clinton in this one too. i hate it when the whole thing ends quickly.
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Sure there are some bigots out there but who are they going to elect? Obama? Hillary? Not in this lifetime.
they'll stay home in disgust and watch the democrats elect their guy.
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Democrats not bigots?
LOL
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Obama has positions on issues.
I don't think he is as liberal as Clinton.
He certainly isn't as beholden to the traditional Clinton interest group machinery, NEA HATES Obama, unions tend to back Clinton or Edwards.
Yes Obama has positions on issue like, for instance, the war: he's firmly against having invaded Saddam's Iraq (an enemy) but has said we should invade Pakistan (a nominal ally armed with nuclear weapons). Any you really think this guy's positions are well-defined enough to hold the office of President? I'm a bit afraid that he'll go on a 12-day coke bender and hit the big red button on the desk.
As much as I despise Hillary she would be the least damaging to the country of the Democratic candidates. Richardson might be marginally better but he's not worth considering at this point.
Mike - A Republican wins the governorship of one of the most liberal states in the union and you don't think he can win the general election? Sure there are some bigots out there but who are they going to elect? Obama? Hillary? Not in this lifetime.
I don't know how heated the Mass gov race was, and I don't think it is so much bigotry. I just think that mormons are going to be seen as far-right due to their religious beliefs. I think on a national stage, people will have more money to show this. In addition, his flip on abortion will help to scare away some republican bread and butter.
And to be fair, a 12-day coke bender and hitting the red button? Isn't that something that Bush has done in his past, just not the coke during his presidency.
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Democrats not bigots?
LOL
you entirely missed the point.
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I don't know how heated the Mass gov race was, and I don't think it is so much bigotry. I just think that mormons are going to be seen as far-right due to their religious beliefs. I think on a national stage, people will have more money to show this. In addition, his flip on abortion will help to scare away some republican bread and butter.
And to be fair, a 12-day coke bender and hitting the red button? Isn't that something that Bush has done in his past, just not the coke during his presidency.
There's very little chance of any recent ex-MA governor being seen as "far-right". Romney is actually a bit left for my taste given his stated goal of forcing everyone into a government supervised health-care program. That'll be an utter disaster and bank-breaker no matter who does it or how it's done.
In a weird way I can trust Bush because he went from one form of extremism (being a drunk and addict) to another (being a religious douchebag); that makes him predictable. Not so Obama who seems to revel in his past indiscretions, I can see him doing a quick line in the back of the campaign bus before heading out to throw red meat to his masses then twisting a fatty to chill while on the road to his next stop.
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Democrats not bigots?
LOL
you entirely missed the point.
You assume too much.
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I agree that there are very good reasons to doubt that a black or female candidate could get elected this year. The Dems should go with Edwards if they're playing to win.
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I agree that there are very good reasons to doubt that a black or female candidate could get elected this year.
The problem isn't that two of the candidates are black and female, it's just the candidates themselves. Barak and Hillary would have no better shot if they were white and male.
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You assume too much.
fine, you zeroed in on the point like a bloodhound, but posted a non-sequitur for giggles.
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fine, you zeroed in on the point like a bloodhound, but posted a non-sequitur for giggles.
Nice try. Wanna try again?
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I don't know how heated the Mass gov race was, and I don't think it is so much bigotry. I just think that mormons are going to be seen as far-right due to their religious beliefs. I think on a national stage, people will have more money to show this. In addition, his flip on abortion will help to scare away some republican bread and butter.
And to be fair, a 12-day coke bender and hitting the red button? Isn't that something that Bush has done in his past, just not the coke during his presidency.
There's very little chance of any recent ex-MA governor being seen as "far-right". Romney is actually a bit left for my taste given his stated goal of forcing everyone into a government supervised health-care program. That'll be an utter disaster and bank-breaker no matter who does it or how it's done.
In a weird way I can trust Bush because he went from one form of extremism (being a drunk and addict) to another (being a religious douchebag); that makes him predictable. Not so Obama who seems to revel in his past indiscretions, I can see him doing a quick line in the back of the campaign bus before heading out to throw red meat to his masses then twisting a fatty to chill while on the road to his next stop.
I would agree.
Huckabee and Thompson are more right than Romney.
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I agree that there are very good reasons to doubt that a black or female candidate could get elected this year.
The problem isn't that two of the candidates are black and female, it's just the candidates themselves. Barak and Hillary would have no better shot if they were white and male.
That could be. But I think the point about black and female candidates still stands.
Also, I think Barack seems a lot more white than black.
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I don't know how heated the Mass gov race was, and I don't think it is so much bigotry. I just think that mormons are going to be seen as far-right due to their religious beliefs. I think on a national stage, people will have more money to show this. In addition, his flip on abortion will help to scare away some republican bread and butter.
And to be fair, a 12-day coke bender and hitting the red button? Isn't that something that Bush has done in his past, just not the coke during his presidency.
There's very little chance of any recent ex-MA governor being seen as "far-right". Romney is actually a bit left for my taste given his stated goal of forcing everyone into a government supervised health-care program. That'll be an utter disaster and bank-breaker no matter who does it or how it's done.
In a weird way I can trust Bush because he went from one form of extremism (being a drunk and addict) to another (being a religious douchebag); that makes him predictable. Not so Obama who seems to revel in his past indiscretions, I can see him doing a quick line in the back of the campaign bus before heading out to throw red meat to his masses then twisting a fatty to chill while on the road to his next stop.
I would agree.
Huckabee and Thompson are more right than Romney.
Thompson is a troll, the worst of the Republicans as a candidate; luckily he's dead in the water. The Huckster is right on one and only one issu: the Fair Tax.
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So now that Obama has lost NH we can safely conclude that the grown-ups turned out to vote. :twobirds:
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I don't know how heated the Mass gov race was, and I don't think it is so much bigotry. I just think that mormons are going to be seen as far-right due to their religious beliefs. I think on a national stage, people will have more money to show this. In addition, his flip on abortion will help to scare away some republican bread and butter.
And to be fair, a 12-day coke bender and hitting the red button? Isn't that something that Bush has done in his past, just not the coke during his presidency.
There's very little chance of any recent ex-MA governor being seen as "far-right". Romney is actually a bit left for my taste given his stated goal of forcing everyone into a government supervised health-care program. That'll be an utter disaster and bank-breaker no matter who does it or how it's done.
In a weird way I can trust Bush because he went from one form of extremism (being a drunk and addict) to another (being a religious douchebag); that makes him predictable. Not so Obama who seems to revel in his past indiscretions, I can see him doing a quick line in the back of the campaign bus before heading out to throw red meat to his masses then twisting a fatty to chill while on the road to his next stop.
I would agree.
Huckabee and Thompson are more right than Romney.
Thompson is a troll, the worst of the Republicans as a candidate; luckily he's dead in the water. The Huckster is right on one and only one issu: the Fair Tax.
The Fair Tax should be Guliani's issue considering what an unbelievable win it would be for the Mob.
Clinton winning is bad news for the country.
and Az: You should at least pretend like you are discussing reality when speaking of Obama's position on Pakistan.
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Clinton winning is bad news for the country.
clinton winning would give bloomberg an opening. that might be fun.
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Clinton winning is bad news for the country.
clinton winning would give bloomberg an opening. that might be fun.
Hell, I would consider voting for Bloomberg depending on his Iraq timetable. He pretty much is a mainstream Dem, but with better free trade positions.
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I wouldn't say Obama revel's in them, I would just say he is honest about them. I also think the landscape would change greatly if Obama were white, just not sure if it would help him. I think he would gain some suppport but would lose other. Bush is predictable, the problem is that his predictability is stupid fracking decisions. I think Obama is too image concious to do something that crazy. The guy has a pretty remarkable image and message, which makes up for some of the knocks on his experience.
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I don't think I'm going to vote in this election at all. I really don't like anyone that has a chance in hell at winning.
Usually it's a 'lesser of the two evils' thing, but I don't trust my judgement after the last election. (I voted for Bush, DAMN that was a mistake.)
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tl;dr
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If Obama wins SC he runs away with it imHo....unless Hilary starts crying again :rolleyes:
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I wish Richardson was in the thick of things.
Mitt is a condesending robot.
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Hell, I would consider voting for Bloomberg depending on his Iraq timetable. He pretty much is a mainstream Dem, but with better free trade positions.
fiscal conservative/social liberal (< steve dave) dream candidate?
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If obama wins, this would be an obamanation! :eyeseeyou:
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Hell, I would consider voting for Bloomberg depending on his Iraq timetable. He pretty much is a mainstream Dem, but with better free trade positions.
fiscal conservative/social liberal (< steve dave) dream candidate?
I think, philosophically, that candidate would be arguing with itself all day long.
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Hell, I would consider voting for Bloomberg depending on his Iraq timetable. He pretty much is a mainstream Dem, but with better free trade positions.
fiscal conservative/social liberal (< steve dave) dream candidate?
I think, philosophically, that candidate would be arguing with itself all day long.
Why? Let people do whatever they want but make them pay for it on their own. It is the platform that about half the libertarian candidates have run under. It is also steve dave approved.
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Hell, I would consider voting for Bloomberg depending on his Iraq timetable. He pretty much is a mainstream Dem, but with better free trade positions.
fiscal conservative/social liberal (< steve dave) dream candidate?
I think, philosophically, that candidate would be arguing with itself all day long.
It would be a candidacy founded in liberty. I could see why you would fear that.
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This thread makes me feel dumb. I need to start watching CNN instead of "Rob and Big" reruns on MTV2.
What are Rudy Guliani's chances looking like?
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This thread makes me feel dumb. I need to start watching CNN instead of "Rob and Big" reruns on MTV2.
What are Rudy Guliani's chances looking like?
If you're rooting for Rudy you will probably feel better continuing watching Rob and Big.
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fiscal conservative/social liberal (< steve dave) dream candidate?
(http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/congress/members/photos/228/P000583.jpg) (http://www.sdlp.us/images/lp-logo.gif)
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fiscal conservative/social liberal (< steve dave) dream candidate?
(http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/congress/members/photos/228/P000583.jpg) (http://www.sdlp.us/images/lp-logo.gif)
clearly
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If Kansans are complaining about the candidates then things must be looking pretty good. Nobody is ever going to find a perfect candidate for everyone, but I think the Dems have some pretty good choices this time. Hillbomawards >>> John Kerry.
I'm sorta against Hillary for a couple of significant reasons--the Dynasty factor, and the fact that she voted for the War. Obama doesn't have these marks against him, and he's a far more compelling figure. Hillary represents the voice of reason and Obama represents the voice of the next generation. We're really seeing the Internet generation vs. the old guard in politics. I'd like Obama to be more specific on issues, but in the end who am I really going to agree with on everything anyway? I trust him and I believe what he says, so that's a pretty good start. He may not have all the answers going in to it, but he's smart enough to do the research and think deeply about complex problems.
Or maybe he's just the type of guy who goes on coke benders. That's probably a fair and reasonable statement. :jerkoff:
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I also think the landscape would change greatly if Obama were white ....
Yes it would. If Obama were white he'd be just another nameless Senator from the midwest with absolutely no shot at even a cabinet position much less the whole enchilada. He's a wonderful public speaker but let's face reality: the whole cult of personality surrounding him sprung up almost entirely because he is black. Or half-black. Or something other than white.
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I also think the landscape would change greatly if Obama were white ....
Yes it would. If Obama were white he'd be just another nameless Senator from the midwest with absolutely no shot at even a cabinet position much less the whole enchilada. He's a wonderful public speaker but let's face reality: the whole cult of personality surrounding him sprung up almost entirely because he is black. Or half-black. Or something other than white.
Don't you have a cross burning to get to or something.
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I'll vote for whomever Steve Dave votes for.
(Seriously)
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I'll vote for whomever Steve Dave votes for.
(Seriously)
I gotta say I agree with Skycat on this one
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I also think the landscape would change greatly if Obama were white ....
Yes it would. If Obama were white he'd be just another nameless Senator from the midwest with absolutely no shot at even a cabinet position much less the whole enchilada. He's a wonderful public speaker but let's face reality: the whole cult of personality surrounding him sprung up almost entirely because he is black. Or half-black. Or something other than white.
You're right. Affirmative Action has even penetrated our Presidential contests! There is no quarter for the white man in 21st century America, not even the WHITE house!
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KKK rally @Azcat's house this Friday! Topics will include whether the Eagles should keep McNabb or trade him, and whether or not black people should be allowed to vote. Cookies and Punch will be provided, but bring your own torch. :dancin:
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The nation is ready to elect a black man.
But not a woman. Unless its Oprah.
Hillary winning the nomination means automatic Republican win. Obama is the chosen one.
I have spoken.
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clinton vs. hucksy is an automatic bloomberg presidency. clinton vs. either of the other 2 would make it interesting.
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clinton vs. hucksy is an automatic bloomberg presidency. clinton vs. either of the other 2 would make it interesting.
Bloomberg would note win the presidency in that scenario unless he promised 1 term and had Obama as his running mate waiting in the wings. Even that would require an insurgency among rank and file dem/rep party members on levels that we have never seen EVER. I like Bloomberg, but come on.
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there are tons of liberals that refuse to vote clinton. the same w. huckabee and moderate repubs.
automatic win might be too strong, but there would be a huge opening there. huge.
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there are tons of liberals that refuse to vote clinton. the same w. huckabee and moderate repubs.
automatic win might be too strong, but there would be a huge opening there. huge.
Did you see the breakdown in NH? In Iowa? Clinton is beating Obama in these areas: older, women, poor, rank/file Dems. Obama has the youth vote which may be more "liberal" but Clinton is beating him among democrats, he draws in all the independents. I don't think there are "tons" of liberals that refuse to vote for Clinton, because they are voting for her now. The key for Obama is to beat Edwards out of the race in South Carolina because I think a lot of Edwards voters will go to Obama, especially if he endorses/plays for the ticket. He will need a golden parachute out of this thing though because he doesn't have a Senate seat to fall back on and so he might wait it out and play nice until someone has been decided the winner. If he does that, the rest of my respect for him will vanish because it is such a spineless way to go.
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The key for Obama is to beat Edwards out of the race in South Carolina because I think a lot of Edwards voters will go to Obama
Ding, Ding, Ding! We have a winner!
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Hell, I would consider voting for Bloomberg depending on his Iraq timetable. He pretty much is a mainstream Dem, but with better free trade positions.
fiscal conservative/social liberal (< steve dave) dream candidate?
I think, philosophically, that candidate would be arguing with itself all day long.
Why? Let people do whatever they want but make them pay for it on their own. It is the platform that about half the libertarian candidates have run under. It is also steve dave approved.
That bit is antithetical to the modern American left. No one should: be responsible for their actions or be made to pay for their own needs and wants. It's cruel to expect the sheeple to take care of themselves don't'cha know.
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I also think the landscape would change greatly if Obama were white ....
Yes it would. If Obama were white he'd be just another nameless Senator from the midwest with absolutely no shot at even a cabinet position much less the whole enchilada. He's a wonderful public speaker but let's face reality: the whole cult of personality surrounding him sprung up almost entirely because he is black. Or half-black. Or something other than white.
Don't you have a cross burning to get to or something.
You guys are the epitome of the unthinking American voter. Obama has *NOTHING* to offer at this point other than slick politically correct packaging. Seems like a great guy but last time I checked that's pretty low on the list of qualifications for President.
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That bit is antithetical to the modern American. No one should: be responsible for their actions or be made to pay for their own needs and wants. It's cruel to expect the sheeple to take care of themselves don't'cha know.
fixed your post.
tax and spend. borrow and spend. what a gaping chasm btwn dems and pubs.
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Did you see the breakdown in NH? In Iowa?
obama pulls the same high education/high income/young/no dynasty types, be they dems or undecideds as bloomberg would. there is no room for bloomberg as long as obama is around, but if he isn't...
clinton has a base of support, but also huge negatives. those people will want an alternative if she's the candidate.
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Did you see the breakdown in NH? In Iowa?
obama pulls the same high education/high income/young/no dynasty types, be they dems or undecideds as bloomberg would. there is no room for bloomberg as long as obama is around, but if he isn't...
clinton has a base of support, but also huge negatives. those people will want an alternative if she's the candidate.
Black people aren't voting for Bloomberg. Just so you know.
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That bit is antithetical to the modern American. No one should: be responsible for their actions or be made to pay for their own needs and wants. It's cruel to expect the sheeple to take care of themselves don't'cha know.
fixed your post.
tax and spend. borrow and spend. what a gaping chasm btwn dems and pubs.
The primary difference between the left and right is that the left would cut off their nose to spite their face in the form of setting forth punitive taxation and regulation against productive members of our society. The right will just bury its collective head in the sand and ignore the problems. I prefer willful ignorance to hostile destruction though it's not much of a choice.
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Black people aren't voting for Bloomberg. Just so you know.
obama got what 38% and 36% in iowa and nh? there aren't any black people in either state.
yeah, clinton will take the black vote if obama is gone, so what? the black vote has been worthless in all but 2 of the last 7 pres. elections.
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the republicans did a great job of drawing the african american vote by making abortion and homosexuality national/federal issues.
I would love to like obama but as mentioned before he isn't clear about exactly what he plans to do to enact his changes. That makes me fear that he is talking big and really won't be able to back it up and accomplish much and will probably waste a bunch of tax money in doing so.
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the republicans did a great job of drawing the african american vote by making abortion and homosexuality national/federal issues.
I would love to like obama but as mentioned before he isn't clear about exactly what he plans to do to enact his changes. That makes me fear that he is talking big and really won't be able to back it up and accomplish much and will probably waste a bunch of tax money in doing so.
That's a feature, not a bug and wasting a bunch of tax money is a given no matter who we elect.
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Instead of trying to get the black vote, I think candidates should try to get the white vote. That would include a lot more people. JMO though, ok.
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I also think the landscape would change greatly if Obama were white ....
Yes it would. If Obama were white he'd be just another nameless Senator from the midwest with absolutely no shot at even a cabinet position much less the whole enchilada. He's a wonderful public speaker but let's face reality: the whole cult of personality surrounding him sprung up almost entirely because he is black. Or half-black. Or something other than white.
Don't you have a cross burning to get to or something.
You guys are the epitome of the unthinking American voter. Obama has *NOTHING* to offer at this point other than slick politically correct packaging. Seems like a great guy but last time I checked that's pretty low on the list of qualifications for President.
If you ask me, that alone makes him more qualified than the jackass we had the past 8 years.
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I also think the landscape would change greatly if Obama were white ....
Yes it would. If Obama were white he'd be just another nameless Senator from the midwest with absolutely no shot at even a cabinet position much less the whole enchilada. He's a wonderful public speaker but let's face reality: the whole cult of personality surrounding him sprung up almost entirely because he is black. Or half-black. Or something other than white.
Don't you have a cross burning to get to or something.
You guys are the epitome of the unthinking American voter. Obama has *NOTHING* to offer at this point other than slick politically correct packaging. Seems like a great guy but last time I checked that's pretty low on the list of qualifications for President.
If you ask me, that alone makes him more qualified than the jackass we had the past 8 years.
This is the part where I point out that our current President's sole qualification is the fact that those of his political persuasion also consider him to be a great guy. Obama = Bush Jr. :eek: :banghead: :ohno:
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I think Rudi is more akin to be Bush Jr.
Obama should have waited to run.
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our current President's sole qualification is
He's a legacy
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I also think the landscape would change greatly if Obama were white ....
Yes it would. If Obama were white he'd be just another nameless Senator from the midwest with absolutely no shot at even a cabinet position much less the whole enchilada. He's a wonderful public speaker but let's face reality: the whole cult of personality surrounding him sprung up almost entirely because he is black. Or half-black. Or something other than white.
Don't you have a cross burning to get to or something.
You guys are the epitome of the unthinking American voter. Obama has *NOTHING* to offer at this point other than slick politically correct packaging. Seems like a great guy but last time I checked that's pretty low on the list of qualifications for President.
If you ask me, that alone makes him more qualified than the jackass we had the past 8 years.
This is the part where I point out that our current President's sole qualification is the fact that those of his political persuasion also consider him to be a great guy. Obama = Bush Jr. :eek: :banghead: :ohno:
In your scenario, I could safely assume that Obama has better handlers.
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Obama smokes Marlboro Reds...REDS! :excited: :runaway: :woot:
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Obama got the Kerry endorsement. How long does Edwards hold out?
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Obama smokes Marlboro Reds...REDS! :excited: :runaway: :woot:
And Panama red too! :lol:
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clinton has a base of support, but also huge negatives. those people will want an alternative if she's the candidate.
How's this for a negative?
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h27/poimen/hillary.jpg)
:ohno: :'(
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I have no trust in obama, and i hate clinton, though she's been prez once (bill didnt do crap)(conspiricy theory) i'd take clinton because i agree w/ the fact that we cant pull out of iraq just yet. We truly shouldnt have gone after iraq, we had no buisness to, but to pull out now would be more chaious (sp) in that country that there was prior to us being there. There is just to big of a culture gap for democracy to work in Iraq IMHO
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How long does Edwards hold out?
Could be the determining factor. Maybe after South Carolina??
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At my school:
Being a democratic supporter (one of the extremely few) in a school/area/people that are diehard Conservative-Republicans. Mainly this is what I have to deal with when talking politics.
Them: "YOU CAN'T VOTE FOR OBAMA HE IS MUSLIM!!!!!???!! HE WILL RUIN AMERICA!!!!!!11"
Me: "So you're saying that just because he is Muslim that he's going to ruin our country??"
Them: "TERRORIST!!!!!!!11 HIS MIDDLE NAME HIS HUSSEIN!!!!!!11"
Me: "Saddam didn't rise to power until 1979, Obama was born 1961. Nobody cared about Saddam when Obama was born."
Them: "BUT HE IS BLACK!!!!!111"
Me: "Ok, wow."
Then there is the long e-mail, that I assume that they are basing their opinion of him.
Probable Democrat presidential candidate, Barack Hussein Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawaii, to Barack Hussein Obama, Sr., a black MUSLIM from Nyangoma-Kogel, Kenya and Ann Dunham, a white ATHIEST from Wichita, Kansas.
Obama's parents met at the University of Hawaii. When Obama was two years old, his parents divorced. His father returned to Kenya. His mother then married Lolo Soetoro, a RADICAL Muslim from Indonesia. When Obama was 6 years old, the family relocated to Indonesia. Obama attended a MUSLIM school in Jakarta. He also spent two years in a Catholic school.
Obama takes great care to conceal the fact that he is a Muslim. He is quick to point out that, 'He was once a Muslim, but that he also attended Catholic school.'
Obama's political handlers are attempting to make it appear that Obama's introduction to Islam came via his father, and that this influence was temporary at best. In reality, the senior Obama returned to Kenya soon after the divorce, and never again had any direct influence over his son's education.
Lolo Soetoro, the second husband of Obama's mother, Ann Dunham, introduced his stepson to Islam. Obama was enrolled in a Wahabi school in Jakarta.
Wahabism is the RADICAL teaching that is followed by the Muslim terrorists who are now waging Jihad against the western world.
Since it is politically expedient to be a CHRISTIAN when seeking Major public office in the United States, Barack Hussein Obama has joined the United Church of Christ in an attempt to downplay his Muslim background.
Let us all remain alert concerning Obama's expected presidential candidacy.
The Muslims have said they plan on destroying the US from the inside out, what better way to start than at the highest level - through the President of the United States, one of their own!!!!
ALSO, keep in mind that when he was sworn into office - he DID NOT use the Holy Bible, but instead the kuran (Their equevelancy to our Bible, but very different beliefs)
Please forward to everyone you know. Would you want this man leading our country?...... NOT ME!!
Well if most of the people would take time to research any of this. CNN, Fox News and many other sources have let it be known that this whole thing is a hoax. I'm just glad that some of the students at our school aren't allowed to vote.
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LOL at bigots and mean people
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ALSO, keep in mind that when he was sworn into office - he DID NOT use the Holy Bible, but instead the kuran (Their equevelancy to our Bible, but very different beliefs)
As a Christian, I'd almost prefer that he swears in on the Qu'ran instead of the Bible. It would be meaningless to swear in on a Bible as a Muslim, just as it would be meaningless to me swearing in on a Qu'ran as a Christian.
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ALSO, keep in mind that when he was sworn into office - he DID NOT use the Holy Bible, but instead the kuran (Their equevelancy to our Bible, but very different beliefs)
As a Christian, I'd almost prefer that he swears in on the Qu'ran instead of the Bible. It would be meaningless to swear in on a Bible as a Muslim, just as it would be meaningless to me swearing in on a Qu'ran as a Christian.
He's Christian.
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This whole thread makes me sad.
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ALSO, keep in mind that when he was sworn into office - he DID NOT use the Holy Bible, but instead the kuran (Their equevelancy to our Bible, but very different beliefs)
As a Christian, I'd almost prefer that he swears in on the Qu'ran instead of the Bible. It would be meaningless to swear in on a Bible as a Muslim, just as it would be meaningless to me swearing in on a Qu'ran as a Christian.
He's Christian.
yes he is - see the link
http://www.tucc.org/about.htm
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This whole thread makes me sad.
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Yeah after the election is over we should all get together with Barak, sing kum Ba Yah, and do a couple of celebratory lines off Fred Thompson's wife's ass.
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ALSO, keep in mind that when he was sworn into office - he DID NOT use the Holy Bible, but instead the kuran (Their equevelancy to our Bible, but very different beliefs)
As a Christian, I'd almost prefer that he swears in on the Qu'ran instead of the Bible. It would be meaningless to swear in on a Bible as a Muslim, just as it would be meaningless to me swearing in on a Qu'ran as a Christian.
He's Christian.
well then if he will keep his word swearing in on the qu'ran and it means something to him, who cares? nixon, and clinton both swore in on bibles, see how that turned out (not taking anything awawy from their presidencies, they were both great presidents imho)
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ALSO, keep in mind that when he was sworn into office - he DID NOT use the Holy Bible, but instead the kuran (Their equevelancy to our Bible, but very different beliefs)
As a Christian, I'd almost prefer that he swears in on the Qu'ran instead of the Bible. It would be meaningless to swear in on a Bible as a Muslim, just as it would be meaningless to me swearing in on a Qu'ran as a Christian.
He's Christian.
well then if he will keep his word swearing in on the qu'ran and it means something to him, who cares? nixon, and clinton both swore in on bibles, see how that turned out (not taking anything awawy from their presidencies, they were both great presidents imho)
You should really try to read things that aren't on the internet. You seem really confused.
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this thread illustrates well the fatal flaw of democracy. the majority of people are just too stupid to pick their own government.
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I'm just waiting for Obama to tell us how he plans to provide hope and change.
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I'm just waiting for Obama to tell us how he plans to provide hope and change.
He's waiting to see if he wins the nomination before he worries about that.
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I'm just waiting for Obama to tell us how he plans to provide hope and change.
He's waiting to see if he wins the nomination before he worries about that.
In other words he's banking on liberals, particularly young liberals, being utterly vapid and ignorant. Check.
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I think he feels he can get through the primary season with a vague message of hope and dreams. There's just not enough to differentiate Hillary and Barack on the issues... it's a personality contest. Issues will come more into focus during the general election.
I'm hoping to drum up enough support among the vapid, ignorant sheeple that make up the Democratic voters in my precinct to get him some delegates in the upcoming caucus. :beerchug:
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If you really want to go with the youth movement why not back a candidate with some actual substance. It's not too early to get on the Jindal '12 bandwagon! :ksu:
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If you really want to go with the youth movement why not back a candidate with some actual substance. It's not too early to get on the Jindal '12 bandwagon! :ksu:
LOL!
I would consider voting for Jindal, but you would never actually consider voting for a democrat. That means you are the partisan hack, turd face.
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That means you are the partisan hack, turd face.
Excellent analysis
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ALSO, keep in mind that when he was sworn into office - he DID NOT use the Holy Bible, but instead the kuran (Their equevelancy to our Bible, but very different beliefs)
As a Christian, I'd almost prefer that he swears in on the Qu'ran instead of the Bible. It would be meaningless to swear in on a Bible as a Muslim, just as it would be meaningless to me swearing in on a Qu'ran as a Christian.
He's Christian.
well then if he will keep his word swearing in on the qu'ran and it means something to him, who cares? nixon, and clinton both swore in on bibles, see how that turned out (not taking anything awawy from their presidencies, they were both great presidents imho)
You should really try to read things that aren't on the internet. You seem really confused.
would you be really confused learning the &@#%ed up american government and VERY &@#%ed political campaining at 15? (csourk isnt, but csourk is a badass)
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ALSO, keep in mind that when he was sworn into office - he DID NOT use the Holy Bible, but instead the kuran (Their equevelancy to our Bible, but very different beliefs)
As a Christian, I'd almost prefer that he swears in on the Qu'ran instead of the Bible. It would be meaningless to swear in on a Bible as a Muslim, just as it would be meaningless to me swearing in on a Qu'ran as a Christian.
He's Christian.
well then if he will keep his word swearing in on the qu'ran and it means something to him, who cares? nixon, and clinton both swore in on bibles, see how that turned out (not taking anything awawy from their presidencies, they were both great presidents imho)
You should really try to read things that aren't on the internet. You seem really confused.
would you be really confused learning the fracked up american government and VERY fracked political campaining at 15? (csourk isnt, but csourk is a badass)
knowing him my whole life, never thought i'd c those 2 words in the same sentence
just kidding, he is somewhat of a badass
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ALSO, keep in mind that when he was sworn into office - he DID NOT use the Holy Bible, but instead the kuran (Their equevelancy to our Bible, but very different beliefs)
As a Christian, I'd almost prefer that he swears in on the Qu'ran instead of the Bible. It would be meaningless to swear in on a Bible as a Muslim, just as it would be meaningless to me swearing in on a Qu'ran as a Christian.
He's Christian.
well then if he will keep his word swearing in on the qu'ran and it means something to him, who cares? nixon, and clinton both swore in on bibles, see how that turned out (not taking anything awawy from their presidencies, they were both great presidents imho)
You should really try to read things that aren't on the internet. You seem really confused.
would you be really confused learning the fracked up american government and VERY fracked political campaining at 15? (csourk isnt, but csourk is a badass)
knowing him my whole life, never thought i'd c those 2 words in the same sentence
just kidding, he is somewhat of a badass
csourk is pretty badass, imo.
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ALSO, keep in mind that when he was sworn into office - he DID NOT use the Holy Bible, but instead the kuran (Their equevelancy to our Bible, but very different beliefs)
As a Christian, I'd almost prefer that he swears in on the Qu'ran instead of the Bible. It would be meaningless to swear in on a Bible as a Muslim, just as it would be meaningless to me swearing in on a Qu'ran as a Christian.
He's Christian.
well then if he will keep his word swearing in on the qu'ran and it means something to him, who cares? nixon, and clinton both swore in on bibles, see how that turned out (not taking anything awawy from their presidencies, they were both great presidents imho)
You should really try to read things that aren't on the internet. You seem really confused.
would you be really confused learning the fracked up american government and VERY fracked political campaining at 15? (csourk isnt, but csourk is a badass)
knowing him my whole life, never thought i'd c those 2 words in the same sentence
just kidding, he is somewhat of a badass
csourk is pretty badass, imo.
Badass is being tossed around here, like a Stacey Dean recruiting article. I think lp9fan nailed it when he said I'm badass, fwiw.
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Basically this thread represents what is wrong with Kansas in general. Please read the following you tards: http://books.google.com/books?id=AJKrMcOyQ3wC&dq=what%27s+the+matter+with+kansas&pg=PP1&ots=AEtUDCWnse&sig=ovm4Sxd9y_NjeRrVE1gLYDW2Yeg&hl=en&prev=http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&rlz=1I7GGLJ&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=what%27s+the+matter+with+kansas&spell=1&oi=print&ct=title&cad=one-book-with-thumbnail (http://books.google.com/books?id=AJKrMcOyQ3wC&dq=what%27s+the+matter+with+kansas&pg=PP1&ots=AEtUDCWnse&sig=ovm4Sxd9y_NjeRrVE1gLYDW2Yeg&hl=en&prev=http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&rlz=1I7GGLJ&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=what%27s+the+matter+with+kansas&spell=1&oi=print&ct=title&cad=one-book-with-thumbnail)
I work in politics/government and the ignorance of this whole thread makes me want to cry.
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Basically this thread represents what is wrong with Kansas in general. Please read the following you tards: http://books.google.com/books?id=AJKrMcOyQ3wC&dq=what%27s+the+matter+with+kansas&pg=PP1&ots=AEtUDCWnse&sig=ovm4Sxd9y_NjeRrVE1gLYDW2Yeg&hl=en&prev=http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&rlz=1I7GGLJ&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=what%27s+the+matter+with+kansas&spell=1&oi=print&ct=title&cad=one-book-with-thumbnail (http://books.google.com/books?id=AJKrMcOyQ3wC&dq=what%27s+the+matter+with+kansas&pg=PP1&ots=AEtUDCWnse&sig=ovm4Sxd9y_NjeRrVE1gLYDW2Yeg&hl=en&prev=http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&rlz=1I7GGLJ&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=what%27s+the+matter+with+kansas&spell=1&oi=print&ct=title&cad=one-book-with-thumbnail)
I work in politics/government and the ignorance of this whole thread makes me want to cry.
That book proves little beyond the utter inability of the American political left to cope with reality.
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Basically this thread represents what is wrong with Kansas in general. Please read the following you tards: http://books.google.com/books?id=AJKrMcOyQ3wC&dq=what%27s+the+matter+with+kansas&pg=PP1&ots=AEtUDCWnse&sig=ovm4Sxd9y_NjeRrVE1gLYDW2Yeg&hl=en&prev=http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&rlz=1I7GGLJ&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=what%27s+the+matter+with+kansas&spell=1&oi=print&ct=title&cad=one-book-with-thumbnail (http://books.google.com/books?id=AJKrMcOyQ3wC&dq=what%27s+the+matter+with+kansas&pg=PP1&ots=AEtUDCWnse&sig=ovm4Sxd9y_NjeRrVE1gLYDW2Yeg&hl=en&prev=http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&rlz=1I7GGLJ&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=what%27s+the+matter+with+kansas&spell=1&oi=print&ct=title&cad=one-book-with-thumbnail)
I work in politics/government and the ignorance of this whole thread makes me want to cry.
That book proves little beyond the utter inability of the American political left to cope with reality.
If by reality you mean a state, and ultimately a region, voting against their inherent self interest then maybe you are right. I would love to hear your experience and qualifications for your opinions other than listening to right wing radio talkshow hosts/Faux News commentators
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Basically this thread represents what is wrong with Kansas in general. Please read the following you tards: http://books.google.com/books?id=AJKrMcOyQ3wC&dq=what%27s+the+matter+with+kansas&pg=PP1&ots=AEtUDCWnse&sig=ovm4Sxd9y_NjeRrVE1gLYDW2Yeg&hl=en&prev=http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&rlz=1I7GGLJ&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=what%27s+the+matter+with+kansas&spell=1&oi=print&ct=title&cad=one-book-with-thumbnail (http://books.google.com/books?id=AJKrMcOyQ3wC&dq=what%27s+the+matter+with+kansas&pg=PP1&ots=AEtUDCWnse&sig=ovm4Sxd9y_NjeRrVE1gLYDW2Yeg&hl=en&prev=http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&rlz=1I7GGLJ&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=what%27s+the+matter+with+kansas&spell=1&oi=print&ct=title&cad=one-book-with-thumbnail)
I work in politics/government and the ignorance of this whole thread makes me want to cry.
That book proves little beyond the utter inability of the American political left to cope with reality.
If by reality you mean a state, and ultimately a region, voting against their inherent self interest then maybe you are right. I would love to hear your experience and qualifications for your opinions other than listening to right wing radio talkshow hosts/Faux News commentators
I love the fact that you cite a left-wing spinmeister and demand that no right-wing spin enter into the subsequent discussion. :hahano: :blank:
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I read that book, and it's interesting. That guy went to my high school which explains a lot (like why he talks like an uppity douchebag.) He moved to Chicago where things are a bit more progressive I guess. It is an interesting study in the human zoo/fairtytaleland of Johnson County.
Actually Jack Cashel (a Kansas Citian) wrote a book called "What's the Matter with California" to talk about how liberal policies are "ruining" California.
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I'm going to write a book called, "What's the Matter with British Columbia...Nothing, Not A God Damned Thing"
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I'm going to write a book called, "What's the Matter with British Columbia...Nothing, Not A God Damned Thing"
Most everyone I ran into when I spent a summer in BC & Alberta really wanted their province to be the 51st state. They didn't want to pay for their own medical care but otherwise saw absolutely nothing redeeming about their national government as compared to the US. Biggest complaints: taxes are too high and there are too many regulations.