Obama, pull through

[Kat Kid]

Clinton is already going to spin the crap out of the "comeback" but seeing her hold the lead for this long, has the dread beginning to creep in like winter cold to the bones.

This would be an awful, depressing defeat.

[Kat Kid]

Manchester looks like it reported first, that is big for the Bama.

Roll Tide etc.

[AzCat]

Go Barak go!  This guy is an implosion waiting to happen.   

[Kat Kid]

Go Barak go!  This guy is an implosion waiting to happen.   

you are insane.

[fatty fat fat]

Go Barak go!  This guy is an implosion waiting to happen.   

you are insane.

Pubs' want him to win. I want hilary just because it will infuriate the reps' and because I listened to Bill on CSPAN, and my god he's good!

[sys]

Clinton is already going to spin the crap out of the "comeback" but seeing her hold the lead for this long, has the dread beginning to creep in like winter cold to the bones.

This would be an awful, depressing defeat.

clinton will win in nh.  these things almost never change once 20+% have reported.

are you really still holding out hope? 

[AzCat]

Go Barak go!  This guy is an implosion waiting to happen.   

you are insane.

Nope, just rational.  One of these days Obama is going to have to stop talking in broad general strokes and get specific about his far-left vision for America.  Obama doesn't stand a chance if the Republicans manage to avoid nominating a raving lunatic like Huckaby or a closet Democrat like McCain.

[sys]

One of these days Obama is going to have to stop talking in broad general strokes and get specific about his far-left vision for America.

yes, if there is one thing modern american politics have proven, it is that the more detailed and specific a candidate is about his platform, the better his chances of being elected.

Obama doesn't stand a chance if the Republicans manage to avoid nominating a raving lunatic like Huckaby or a closet Democrat like McCain.

so, basically, you give him a 66.7% shot at victory?

[ChicagoCat]

Romney is unelectable because he is mormon.  As far as I am concerned, once the race loses Rudy we will be guarantted to be better off than the past 8 years.

[AzCat]

If Romney can in the governorship of Kennedyland he's far from unelectable in a national contest. 

While avoiding taking any stances on actual issues is a winning recipe in a primary it's that or one's actual record in the general election.  Neither bodes well for America's would-be second black president.

I was rather looking forward to a Hillary vs. Rudy cage match for the job.   

[Kat Kid]

Clinton is already going to spin the crap out of the "comeback" but seeing her hold the lead for this long, has the dread beginning to creep in like winter cold to the bones.

This would be an awful, depressing defeat.

clinton will win in nh.  these things almost never change once 20+% have reported.

are you really still holding out hope? 

they do when the character of the precincts are staggeringly different.

It is down to 3% with 34% reporting and Clinton's biggest advantage (Manchester) all tucked away.  I say Obama wins by at least 3-4%.  A disappointment, but I'll take it considering the early scare.

Bill and Hill will spin this better than Rupanzel's slave but back-2-back losses are bad for the inevitable one.

South Carolina will be hilarious.

[Kat Kid]

If Romney can in the governorship of Kennedyland he's far from unelectable in a national contest. 

While avoiding taking any stances on actual issues is a winning recipe in a primary it's that or one's actual record in the general election.  Neither bodes well for America's would-be second black president.

I was rather looking forward to a Hillary vs. Rudy cage match for the job.   

Obama has positions on issues.

I don't think he is as liberal as Clinton.

He certainly isn't as beholden to the traditional Clinton interest group machinery, NEA HATES Obama, unions tend to back Clinton or Edwards.

2 points now.

[ChicagoCat]

If Romney can in the governorship of Kennedyland he's far from unelectable in a national contest. 

While avoiding taking any stances on actual issues is a winning recipe in a primary it's that or one's actual record in the general election.  Neither bodes well for America's would-be second black president.

I was rather looking forward to a Hillary vs. Rudy cage match for the job.   

I just don't think a mormon can sway independents that will be needed nationwide.  McCain could win for the republicans, but the primaries are his biggest obstacles.  Clinton I think is the opposite case, could do good in the primaries but could be tough sell to independents.

[Kat Kid]

God the Clinton supporters in NH are disgusting to hear.

fatty, seriously for Hill?  You know she supports Iraq War right?  You know she voted for that stupid Iran bill by Lieberman.  She will not leave Iraq during her first term.

[Kat Kid]

Still no Durham votes (UNH).  Still no Hanover (Dartmouth).

This isn't over bitches.

[mjrod]

I hope he loses.

The campaign has already turned ugly.  This will make it much nastier.

That makes it more fun.

 

[AzCat]

Obama has positions on issues.

I don't think he is as liberal as Clinton.

He certainly isn't as beholden to the traditional Clinton interest group machinery, NEA HATES Obama, unions tend to back Clinton or Edwards.

Yes Obama has positions on issue like, for instance, the war: he's firmly against having invaded Saddam's Iraq (an enemy) but has said we should invade Pakistan (a nominal ally armed with nuclear weapons).  Any you really think this guy's positions are well-defined enough to hold the office of President?  I'm a bit afraid that he'll go on a 12-day coke bender and hit the big red button on the desk.

As much as I despise Hillary she would be the least damaging to the country of the Democratic candidates.  Richardson might be marginally better but he's not worth considering at this point.

Mike - A Republican wins the governorship of one of the most liberal states in the union and you don't think he can win the general election?  Sure there are some bigots out there but who are they going to elect?  Obama?  Hillary?  Not in this lifetime. 

[sys]

Still no Durham votes (UNH).  Still no Hanover (Dartmouth).

This isn't over bitches.

still over 3% with almost half in.  i have no idea what new hampshire geography/demography is like, but for clinton to end up losing, the reporting precs would have to be amazingly skewed.


i'm kind of rooting for clinton in this one too.  i hate it when the whole thing ends quickly.

[sys]

Sure there are some bigots out there but who are they going to elect?  Obama?  Hillary?  Not in this lifetime. 

they'll stay home in disgust and watch the democrats elect their guy.

[mjrod]

Democrats not bigots?

LOL

[ChicagoCat]

Obama has positions on issues.

I don't think he is as liberal as Clinton.

He certainly isn't as beholden to the traditional Clinton interest group machinery, NEA HATES Obama, unions tend to back Clinton or Edwards.

Yes Obama has positions on issue like, for instance, the war: he's firmly against having invaded Saddam's Iraq (an enemy) but has said we should invade Pakistan (a nominal ally armed with nuclear weapons).  Any you really think this guy's positions are well-defined enough to hold the office of President?  I'm a bit afraid that he'll go on a 12-day coke bender and hit the big red button on the desk.

As much as I despise Hillary she would be the least damaging to the country of the Democratic candidates.  Richardson might be marginally better but he's not worth considering at this point.

Mike - A Republican wins the governorship of one of the most liberal states in the union and you don't think he can win the general election?  Sure there are some bigots out there but who are they going to elect?  Obama?  Hillary?  Not in this lifetime. 

I don't know how heated the Mass gov race was, and I don't think it is so much bigotry.  I just think that mormons are going to be seen as far-right due to their religious beliefs.  I think on a national stage, people will have more money to show this.  In addition, his flip on abortion will help to scare away some republican bread and butter.

And to be fair, a 12-day coke bender and hitting the red button?  Isn't that something that Bush has done in his past, just not the coke during his presidency.

[sys]

Democrats not bigots?

LOL

you entirely missed the point.

[AzCat]

I don't know how heated the Mass gov race was, and I don't think it is so much bigotry.  I just think that mormons are going to be seen as far-right due to their religious beliefs.  I think on a national stage, people will have more money to show this.  In addition, his flip on abortion will help to scare away some republican bread and butter.

And to be fair, a 12-day coke bender and hitting the red button?  Isn't that something that Bush has done in his past, just not the coke during his presidency.

There's very little chance of any recent ex-MA governor being seen as "far-right".  Romney is actually a bit left for my taste given his stated goal of forcing everyone into a government supervised health-care program.  That'll be an utter disaster and bank-breaker no matter who does it or how it's done.

In a weird way I can trust Bush because he went from one form of extremism (being a drunk and addict) to another (being a religious douchebag); that makes him predictable.  Not so Obama who seems to revel in his past indiscretions, I can see him doing a quick line in the back of the campaign bus before heading out to throw red meat to his masses then twisting a fatty to chill while on the road to his next stop. 

[mjrod]

Democrats not bigots?

LOL

you entirely missed the point.

You assume too much.

[chum1]

I agree that there are very good reasons to doubt that a black or female candidate could get elected this year.  The Dems should go with Edwards if they're playing to win.  

[AzCat]

I agree that there are very good reasons to doubt that a black or female candidate could get elected this year.

The problem isn't that two of the candidates are black and female, it's just the candidates themselves.  Barak and Hillary would have no better shot if they were white and male. 

[sys]

You assume too much.

fine, you zeroed in on the point like a bloodhound, but posted a non-sequitur for giggles.

[mjrod]

fine, you zeroed in on the point like a bloodhound, but posted a non-sequitur for giggles.

Nice try.  Wanna try again?

[mjrod]

I don't know how heated the Mass gov race was, and I don't think it is so much bigotry.  I just think that mormons are going to be seen as far-right due to their religious beliefs.  I think on a national stage, people will have more money to show this.  In addition, his flip on abortion will help to scare away some republican bread and butter.

And to be fair, a 12-day coke bender and hitting the red button?  Isn't that something that Bush has done in his past, just not the coke during his presidency.

There's very little chance of any recent ex-MA governor being seen as "far-right".  Romney is actually a bit left for my taste given his stated goal of forcing everyone into a government supervised health-care program.  That'll be an utter disaster and bank-breaker no matter who does it or how it's done.

In a weird way I can trust Bush because he went from one form of extremism (being a drunk and addict) to another (being a religious douchebag); that makes him predictable.  Not so Obama who seems to revel in his past indiscretions, I can see him doing a quick line in the back of the campaign bus before heading out to throw red meat to his masses then twisting a fatty to chill while on the road to his next stop. 

I would agree.

Huckabee and Thompson are more right than Romney.

[chum1]

I agree that there are very good reasons to doubt that a black or female candidate could get elected this year.

The problem isn't that two of the candidates are black and female, it's just the candidates themselves.  Barak and Hillary would have no better shot if they were white and male. 

That could be.  But I think the point about black and female candidates still stands.  

Also, I think Barack seems a lot more white than black.