Thank you.
Prince freaker-outers must have forgot the discussions we had about the direction of the program in light of Snyder's suckiness at the end.
DoD is over. Let's move on and realize that '98 was a once-in-a-lifetime event ala this year and ku.
Just wait and watch. The roller-coasters will be licking Prince's nutz sometime next season and the even-keelers will ride the waves.
Thank you.
Prince freaker-outers must have forgot the discussions we had about the direction of the program in light of Snyder's suckiness at the end.
DoD is over. Let's move on and realize that '98 was a once-in-a-lifetime event ala this year and ku.
Just wait and watch. The roller-coasters will be licking Prince's nutz sometime next season and the even-keelers will ride the waves.
Looking at next year's schedule, I'll take a mouth full if we finish 7-5.
Thank you.
Prince freaker-outers must have forgot the discussions we had about the direction of the program in light of Snyder's suckiness at the end.
DoD is over. Let's move on and realize that '98 was a once-in-a-lifetime event ala this year and ku.
Just wait and watch. The roller-coasters will be licking Prince's nutz sometime next season and the even-keelers will ride the waves.
Looking at next year's schedule, I'll take a mouth full if we finish 7-5.
Sat, Aug 30 Louisiana-Lafayette Manhattan, Kan. W
Sat, Sep 06 Fresno State Manhattan, Kan. W
Sat, Sep 20 Louisville at Louisville, Ky.LW
Sat, Sep 27 North Texas Manhattan, Kan. W
Sat, Oct 04 Texas Tech * Manhattan, Kan. 50/50 L
Sat, Oct 11 Texas A&M * at College Station, Texas 50/50 W
Sat, Oct 18 Colorado * at Boulder, Colo. 50/50 L
Sat, Oct 25 Oklahoma * Manhattan, Kan. L or 30/70 L (but really close)
Sat, Nov 01 Kansas * at Lawrence, Kan. L
Sat, Nov 08 Missouri * at Columbia, Mo. L
Sat, Nov 15 Nebraska * Manhattan, Kan. 50/50 W
Sat, Nov 22 Iowa State * Manhattan, Kan. W
Yeah. Depends A LOT on A&M, Nebraska coaching transitions. Iowa State and Colorado's development, ku's ability to maintain, Looeyville's talent and Oklahoma's season/Prince's big-game swagger.
I think 7 wins would be delicious. That is a brutal schedule.
As compared to Mangino.
Mangino:
Year 1: 2-10
Year 2: 6-7 Progress
Year 3: 4-7 Regression (More Mangino recruits playing if not all)
Year 4: 7-5 Progress
Year 5: 6-6 Regression (All Mangino Recruits now)
Soo . . . Year 6 rolls around, and ku plays a schedule where 3 of the oppossing coaches have or will be fired by seasons end, where the Big 12 North is likely to only have 2 bowl eligible teams, and to date ku has only played two conference teams that are bowl eligible (barely), and overall the Sagarin 101st toughest schedule in the country.
And suddenly Mangino > Snyder and Prince ='s Terry Allen.
On the Mangino > Snyder note:
KSU record 5 years prior to Snyder: 6-47 (.113)
ku record 5 years prior to Mangino: 21-35 (.375)
Total Expenditures on Football Related Facilities 10 years prior:
Snyder-$1.4 million
Mangino-$43 million
Because you're not the only person who reads this board.
As compared to Mangino.
Mangino:
Year 1: 2-10
Year 2: 6-7 Progress
Year 3: 4-7 Regression (More Mangino recruits playing if not all)
Year 4: 7-5 Progress
Year 5: 6-6 Regression (All Mangino Recruits now)
Soo . . . Year 6 rolls around, and ku plays a schedule where 3 of the oppossing coaches have or will be fired by seasons end, where the Big 12 North is likely to only have 2 bowl eligible teams, and to date ku has only played two conference teams that are bowl eligible (barely), and overall the Sagarin 101st toughest schedule in the country.
And suddenly Mangino > Snyder and Prince ='s Terry Allen.
On the Mangino > Snyder note:
KSU record 5 years prior to Snyder: 6-47 (.113)
ku record 5 years prior to Mangino: 21-35 (.375)
Total Expenditures on Football Related Facilities 10 years prior:
Snyder-$1.4 million
Mangino-$43 million
Face it, K-State has regressed this season under Ron Prince. Whether you want to admit it or not, the team got worse as the season went along. If Mangino had a QB with half the talent of Josh Freeman in his first 4 years at Kansas, we would have been much better than 5-6 and 3-5 in the Big 12, especially in a year, as you pointed out, where only two Big 12 North teams are worth a sh*t.
Wait a second, so Josh Freeman is good now?? I remember when Adam Barmann was going to be the 2nd coming of J Elway-Montana. Using the logic of "you have to have a better record every year otherwise you're regressing" than Mangino had 2 regressions (1 significant) in 5 years, and the fact that ku didn't have good QB's during those years is somehow not Mark Mangino's fault??
Oh and Cap, how many years in the history of the Big 12 has the north only had 2 bowl eligible teams??
Yeah, but Prince didn't inherit a 2-10 (0-8) football team.
LOL.
Okay, so, the same guy who went into the season on his very last leg, and was 18 games below .500 in conference play while playing 70% FEWER ranked conference opponents in his first 5 years than his predecessor had to play. Is now suddenly a genius who knows how to run a program perfectly, while Ron Prince doesn't have a clue??
Now in the long run, you may be able to say that about Prince, but as of right now ku fans are just hilarious with their comparisons and commentary. In year THREE, Mangino went 4-7 but apparently he was a GREAT coach, but Prince will go 5-7 in year TWO and he's terrible. Squawklogic at its best.
Ron Prince is a below average coach. The guy has no clue how to run a football program. He doesn't have any idea how to develop offense or defensive lineman. Your entire team regressed as the season went along. Your team is terribly undisciplined and stupid when it comes to the game of football. Prince had a 4-star, Elite 11 QB in Josh Freeman, along with an all-conference DE in Ian Campbell, an All-American WR in Jordy Nelson, and a nice collection of talent to surround them with. What did he do with it? He went 5-6 and 3-5 in a pathetic Big 12 North. His team allowed 73 points to Nebraska and lost to a terrible Iowa State team. That's just bad. You can spin it however you want.
Fact is, Mangino's stuck with the same system for 6 years and it's finally paying off. Last year, Kansas missed quite a few breaks and was more along the lines of an 8-4/9-3 football team. This year, the team just put it all together and it has really paid off.
LOL.
Okay, so, the same guy who went into the season on his very last leg, and was 18 games below .500 in conference play while playing 70% FEWER ranked conference opponents in his first 5 years than his predecessor had to play. Is now suddenly a genius who knows how to run a program perfectly, while Ron Prince doesn't have a clue??
Now in the long run, you may be able to say that about Prince, but as of right now ku fans are just hilarious with their comparisons and commentary. In year THREE, Mangino went 4-7 but apparently he was a GREAT coach, but Prince will go 5-7 in year TWO and he's terrible. Squawklogic at its best.
You're comparing apples to oranges. Kansas went 4-7 in year three of Mangino, but we also beat our two rivals, K-State and Mizzou, and lost to Texas Tech by one point and Texas on a last minute TD pass from Vince Young. The program was still getting better, adding depth, and improving in all areas. It carried over in '05 when Kansas went 7-5 and won a bowl game.
On the other hand, Prince took a team that was legit at the beginning of the season and watched them regress into a 5-6 football team. Please tell me that K-State looks like the same team that beat Texas by 3 TD's early on in the season. I need a good laugh.
LOL.
Okay, so, the same guy who went into the season on his very last leg, and was 18 games below .500 in conference play while playing 70% FEWER ranked conference opponents in his first 5 years than his predecessor had to play. Is now suddenly a genius who knows how to run a program perfectly, while Ron Prince doesn't have a clue??
Now in the long run, you may be able to say that about Prince, but as of right now ku fans are just hilarious with their comparisons and commentary. In year THREE, Mangino went 4-7 but apparently he was a GREAT coach, but Prince will go 5-7 in year TWO and he's terrible. Squawklogic at its best.
You're comparing apples to oranges. Kansas went 4-7 in year three of Mangino, but we also beat our two rivals, K-State and Mizzou, and lost to Texas Tech by one point and Texas on a last minute TD pass from Vince Young. The program was still getting better, adding depth, and improving in all areas. It carried over in '05 when Kansas went 7-5 and won a bowl game.
On the other hand, Prince took a team that was legit at the beginning of the season and watched them regress into a 5-6 football team. Please tell me that K-State looks like the same team that beat Texas by 3 TD's early on in the season. I need a good laugh.
LOL . . . has only beat a KSU team that finished the season with a winning record once. So I just want to be clear on this. Mangino went 4-7 in year three, beat KSU who also went 4-7, beat MU who was in the midst of their usual late season free fall, and came close in a couple of other games . . . means Mangino was a great coach with a great plan in place. Ron Prince's team struggles down the stretch of the season and Ron Prince is now a terrible coach who doesn't have a chance to ever have a good program at KSU. That's just hilarious. Love that squawklogic.
This is killing you, isn't it Dax?
LOL.
Okay, so, the same guy who went into the season on his very last leg, and was 18 games below .500 in conference play while playing 70% FEWER ranked conference opponents in his first 5 years than his predecessor had to play. Is now suddenly a genius who knows how to run a program perfectly, while Ron Prince doesn't have a clue??
Now in the long run, you may be able to say that about Prince, but as of right now ku fans are just hilarious with their comparisons and commentary. In year THREE, Mangino went 4-7 but apparently he was a GREAT coach, but Prince will go 5-7 in year TWO and he's terrible. Squawklogic at its best.
You're comparing apples to oranges. Kansas went 4-7 in year three of Mangino, but we also beat our two rivals, K-State and Mizzou, and lost to Texas Tech by one point and Texas on a last minute TD pass from Vince Young. The program was still getting better, adding depth, and improving in all areas. It carried over in '05 when Kansas went 7-5 and won a bowl game.
On the other hand, Prince took a team that was legit at the beginning of the season and watched them regress into a 5-6 football team. Please tell me that K-State looks like the same team that beat Texas by 3 TD's early on in the season. I need a good laugh.
LOL . . . has only beat a KSU team that finished the season with a winning record once. So I just want to be clear on this. Mangino went 4-7 in year three, beat KSU who also went 4-7, beat MU who was in the midst of their usual late season free fall, and came close in a couple of other games . . . means Mangino was a great coach with a great plan in place. Ron Prince's team struggles down the stretch of the season and Ron Prince is now a terrible coach who doesn't have a chance to ever have a good program at KSU. That's just hilarious. Love that squawklogic.
Cap please do us all a favor and tell people you went to ku early and often. I am not denying that ku is having a great year, in year SIX of the Mangino regime. What is absolutely hilarious to me is some of you squawks claiming that just because KSU is struggling in Prince's 2nd year, that Prince doesn't have a prayer of ever fielding a good team at KSU. This really isn't that hard, but I am not the least bit surprised that you don't get it and you keep regurgitating what ku has done in year 6 while pretty much denying that there was major regression under Mangino during Year THREE. You know as well as I do he was somewhat lucky just to keep his job to even coach ku for a 6th year.
Geezus if you want to start using the "well we played 3 or 4 other close games in year 3" crap, than I can point out the exact same about KSU in Prince's 2nd year. But this ain't hand grenades or horse shoes.
That's been the point, but you as per usual are a complete dumbass.
As per usual Hoax fails to recognize how bringing in 7 or 8 academic frauds from the Juco ranks can help build depth and make battling for position spots more competitive helping out the entire program. Then again the same guy produced my sig line.
As per usual Hoax fails to recognize how bringing in 7 or 8 academic frauds from the Juco ranks can help build depth and make battling for position spots more competitive helping out the entire program.
Cap please do us all a favor and tell people you went to ku early and often. I am not denying that ku is having a great year, in year SIX of the Mangino regime. What is absolutely hilarious to me is some of you squawks claiming that just because KSU is struggling in Prince's 2nd year, that Prince doesn't have a prayer of ever fielding a good team at KSU. This really isn't that hard, but I am not the least bit surprised that you don't get it and you keep regurgitating what ku has done in year 6 while pretty much denying that there was major regression under Mangino during Year THREE. You know as well as I do he was somewhat lucky just to keep his job to even coach ku for a 6th year.
Geezus if you want to start using the "well we played 3 or 4 other close games in year 3" crap, than I can point out the exact same about KSU in Prince's 2nd year. But this ain't hand grenades or horse shoes.
That's been the point, but you as per usual are a complete dumbass.
As per usual Hoax fails to recognize how bringing in 7 or 8 academic frauds from the Juco ranks can help build depth and make battling for position spots more competitive helping out the entire program. Then again the same guy produced my sig line.
Seriously, if Mangino inherited a 4-star, Elite 11 QB, an all-conference defensive end, and an All-American wide receiver, along with plenty of talent on both sides of the ball, his team would have been better than 5-6. This same K-State team went into Texas and won by 3 TD's. So don't give me this "poor little K-State just doesn't have the horses to compete yet thanks to Bill Snyder" argument. This K-State team should have been improved from the 7-6 team you had last season. Obviously, they've regressed.
Oh, and if anything, the Juco restrictions benefitted Kansas. Our program is limited to 3 Juco recruits per year, so our coaches were forced to go out and find hidden gems in the high school ranks and develop them into solid football players. It has definitely paid off, and here we are at 11-0 and #2 in the BCS.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Mangino was on the hot seat before this year started.
And now, he is the second coming of bill snyder bc of one year where the stars all aligned and they catch every break in the world.
'Pad, just give me one reason why anyone should expect K-State to be an improved team next season. They've done nothing but get worse under Ron Prince.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Mangino was on the hot seat before this year started.
And now, he is the second coming of bill snyder bc of one year where the stars all aligned and they catch every break in the world.
Yes. It just took him 6 years as opposed to Snyder's 10. Or 15, depending on how you look at it.
'Pad, just give me one reason why anyone should expect K-State to be an improved team next season. They've done nothing but get worse under Ron Prince.
So Dax, are you on record as saying you will fight to keep Prince if you lose to Fresno is disgusting fashion?
I just wanted to confirm that you have always assumed they contributed, rather than base your rants on any facts. Thanks.
I remember when I used to post pizzed off, hate the world rants like you in my formative message board years. Ahhhh, those were the days.
As per usual Hoax fails to recognize how bringing in 7 or 8 academic frauds from the Juco ranks can help build depth and make battling for position spots more competitive helping out the entire program.
I just need names. That's all. I am trying to figure out all these players that participated and provided all this depth you keep talking about.
As per usual Hoax fails to recognize how bringing in 7 or 8 academic frauds from the Juco ranks can help build depth and make battling for position spots more competitive helping out the entire program.
I just need names. That's all. I am trying to figure out all these players that participated and provided all this depth you keep talking about.
The ones with talent didn't get self reported. Those cheaters are still on the field.
K-State fans... still living off the success that their team had 5 years ago.
HD! :drool: Indy bowl appy on the line! :excited:
I'm friggin pumped. :ksu:
since 2002 36-35 record, CONGRATS - including the 11 wins this year, ku has acheived mediocraty over the last 6 yrs.:rofl: :woohoo: :lol: :bootyshake: :bs: :nahnah:
As per usual Hoax fails to recognize how bringing in 7 or 8 academic frauds from the Juco ranks can help build depth and make battling for position spots more competitive helping out the entire program.
I just need names. That's all. I am trying to figure out all these players that participated and provided all this depth you keep talking about.
The ones with talent didn't get self reported. Those cheaters are still on the field.
You and Dax on a misguided assumption fest today? :kugayfight: (Hint to Dax: That whole group was a bust. None of them provided even decent practice time for ku. The whole fiasco is what caused Mangino to put a requirement on Jucos that they be qualified and on campus mid-year, with few exceptions. Kinda worked out nice in the long run, eh? The real genius was getting the NCAA to fall for a Juco limitation that Mangino was already practicing anyway. It also only limited 2-year Juco guys, not 3 year. :D )
Hawaii would beat you - they would just score more points... but we will never know, because in addition to the various Buffets in the Larry town area, the Fighting Manginas have been fattening up on that ridiculous schedule. Let's talk next year when you have to prove it. :lol:
Hawaii would beat you - they would just score more points... but we will never know, because in addition to the various Buffets in the Larry town area, the Fighting Manginas have been fattening up on that ridiculous schedule. Let's talk next year when you have to prove it. :lol:
Kansas = only undefeated BCS team left in the country. 11-0. #2 overall in all the polls, with several 1st place votes. Playing the #4 team in the country and biggest rival on national television, on College Gameday, with the entire nation watching. Meanwhile, K-State fans are referring to their own team as just another "cupcake" on the schedule.
:woot:
Jayhoax wrote: Scenario: K-State beats MU and guaratees that we play in the conference title game. Is the conference champ guaranteed a spot in "a" BCS Bowl regardless of the BCS standings?
When we were going over all the possible bowl scenarios and I wanted to confirm that we couldn't lose to MU (after they lost to you), still win the conference title game, but get screwed by the votorsa because we lost to MU. In other words, I wanted to make sure there wasn't a "floor" on the BCS ranking that could keep a conference winner out of a BCS bowl. (Like the top 12 minimum for a non-BCS team to get in.)
See how big of a deal this was? :rolleyes: I never said anything because Dax clearly didn't understand the nuance :hahano: :hahano: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: of the question. Shocker, I know.
Wanting to confirm the voters couldn't screw us is flailing? This is really killing you, isn't it? Did you see us on the cover of SI?
Wanting to confirm the voters couldn't screw us is flailing? This is really killing you, isn't it? Did you see us on the cover of SI?
Hoax, since the inception of the BCS process the Big 12 Champion has always received an automatic bid to a BCS bowl . . . always. That's why the Big 12 is called . . . what for it . . . A BCS Conference.
Wanting to confirm the voters couldn't screw us is flailing? This is really killing you, isn't it? Did you see us on the cover of SI?
Hoax, since the inception of the BCS process the Big 12 Champion has always received an automatic bid to a BCS bowl . . . always. That's why the Big 12 is called . . . what for it . . . A BCS Conference.
Great! Thanks for the info. See, you can be more than useless.
I was screwing with a purple on phogtard. I should have known you guys were lurking on there for anything to make you feel better about our season . . . even if you didn't understand my point.
Could I have played it better? Yes. Am I sorry that Dax needs this to compensate for the position of his football program? No.
Okay, I'll lower my IQ to that of an Amoeba and say you just posted that so KSU fans would feel better about our season (even though only the absolute dumbest of the dumb powertards wouldn't know already that the Big 12 Champion gets an automatic BCS bid).
K-State... the best 5-6 football team all-time?
Okay, I'll lower my IQ to that of an Amoeba and say you just posted that so KSU fans would feel better about our season (even though only the absolute dumbest of the dumb powertards wouldn't know already that the Big 12 Champion gets an automatic BCS bid).
No. I posted it so that someone could answer my question. It was some squirly purple who made a big deal out of it.
This is killing you, isn't it?
K-State... the best 5-6 football team all-time?
Not sure about that. I do know, however, that if KSU were 11-0 and ranked #2 in the BCS, I would not spend all day on the message board of a non-rival with a sub-.500 record. Unless, of course, that non-rival was my daddy.
K-State... the best 5-6 football team all-time?
Not sure about that. I do know, however, that if KSU were 11-0 and ranked #2 in the BCS, I would not spend all day on the message board of a non-rival with a sub-.500 record. Unless, of course, that non-rival was my daddy.
Yes you would, because you guys did it in '98, and to a lesser extent in '03.
Yeah, true. The ku football boards around '98 were a lot like KSUFANS.COM now.
It is by far the most fun. No matter how few of you there are here. Well, not you, Dax. I mean the guys that can laugh once in a while without getting pissed at themselves for it.
This is killing you, isn't it?
I was led to believe, from the title, that this thread would be about Prince and some sort of defense for his 'regression.'
Instead its another Mangino/ku hate thread.
Looks to me like Mangino showed signs of regression that are small compared to the leaps of progression. Prince gets more than two years to seek progress but so far he's only shown regression. Its Ksu fans that are bashing him much moreso than even rival teams' fans.
I was led to believe, from the title, that this thread would be about Prince and some sort of defense for his 'regression.'
Instead its another Mangino/ku hate thread.
Looks to me like Mangino showed signs of regression that are small compared to the leaps of progression. Prince gets more than two years to seek progress but so far he's only shown regression. Its Ksu fans that are bashing him much moreso than even rival teams' fans.
06 UL, Baylor, NU, MU or ku, orr '07 ISU or MU?
Not going to count '06 UL, Baylor, NU, MU or ku, orr '07 ISU or MU? Smart, beacause all of ku's losses last year were less than any of those.
Another note on playing ranked teams:
ku played 0 teams that finished in the top 25 in 2006, they've haven't played any current top 25 teams in 2007.
KSU played 3 teams that finished in the top 25 in 2006, and they've played 4 current top 25 teams in 2007.
That's 7 ranked teams vs 0.
Wow.
So close losses are a sign of "progress"?? But somehow the fact that Mangino played 70% FEWER ranked Big 12 oppoenents in his first five years at ku than Terry Allen did in his tenure doesn't matter. So, being 1 or 2 games better than Terry Allen in five years in conference play, while playing 70% FEWER ranked conference opponents is a sign of "leaps of progress"??? Not to mention that in 4 of Mangino's first 6 years, ku didn't have to play OU or Texas in the regular season. Wow, talk about the PERFECT time to build a program.
It's not comparable at all.
It's not comparable at all.
2-10, 0-8 in the Big 12 disagrees.
It's not comparable at all.
2-10, 0-8 in the Big 12 disagrees.
yeah, mangino was the head coach of that mess.
It's not comparable at all.
2-10, 0-8 in the Big 12 disagrees.
yeah, mangino was the head coach of that mess.
Which is why being 11-0 and #2 in the BCS is even more of an accomplishment.
Just to expand a little on Mangino>Snyder.
In Snyder's 5th season KSU lost 2 regular season games to NU and CU who combined for a 24-1 record that year, and NU won the National Title (but hey it was soooo easy to build a program in the Big 8 back then :rolleyes: :rolleyes:, just think of those early Snyder years when KSU didn't have to play NU and CU every year . . . oh wait . . .nevermind).
In Snyder's 6th Season KSU went 10-2 with losses to NU and CU who combined went 22-2.
It's not comparable at all.
2-10, 0-8 in the Big 12 disagrees.
yeah, mangino was the head coach of that mess.
Which is why being 11-0 and #2 in the BCS is even more of an accomplishment.
Yes, but I'm not discounting 5 straight years of sub .500 big 12 play.
It's not comparable at all.
2-10, 0-8 in the Big 12 disagrees.
yeah, mangino was the head coach of that mess.
Which is why being 11-0 and #2 in the BCS is even more of an accomplishment.
Yes, but I'm not discounting 5 straight years of sub .500 big 12 play.
I just don't see how you can put all the blame on Mangino for his first season. I mean you're one of those guys that's blaming the regression under Prince's 2nd season on Bill Snyder. Why are you holding Mangino to this double standard? Do you really think he was the reason Kansas went 2-10, 0-8 in the Big 12 when he first took the job?
It's not comparable at all.
2-10, 0-8 in the Big 12 disagrees.
yeah, mangino was the head coach of that mess.
Which is why being 11-0 and #2 in the BCS is even more of an accomplishment.
Yes, but I'm not discounting 5 straight years of sub .500 big 12 play.
I just don't see how you can put all the blame on Mangino for his first season. I mean you're one of those guys that's blaming the regression under Prince's 2nd season on Bill Snyder. Why are you holding Mangino to this double standard? Do you really think he was the reason Kansas went 2-10, 0-8 in the Big 12 when he first took the job?
Definitely an upward trend.
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