Hmmm, so KSU is regressing under Prince??

[BMWJhawk]

Hawaii would beat you - they would just score more points... but we will never know, because in addition to the various Buffets in the Larry town area, the Fighting Manginas have been fattening up on that ridiculous schedule. Let's talk next year when you have to prove it. 

Kansas = only undefeated BCS team left in the country.  11-0.  #2 overall in all the polls, with several 1st place votes.  Playing the #4 team in the country and biggest rival on national television, on College Gameday, with the entire nation watching.  Meanwhile, K-State fans are referring to their own team as just another "cupcake" on the schedule.

 

[Houstoncat93]

Hawaii would beat you - they would just score more points... but we will never know, because in addition to the various Buffets in the Larry town area, the Fighting Manginas have been fattening up on that ridiculous schedule. Let's talk next year when you have to prove it. 

Kansas = only undefeated BCS team left in the country.  11-0.  #2 overall in all the polls, with several 1st place votes.  Playing the #4 team in the country and biggest rival on national television, on College Gameday, with the entire nation watching.  Meanwhile, K-State fans are referring to their own team as just another "cupcake" on the schedule.

 

Wonder why the only undeafted BCS team is only ranked #2.....sure would think they would be #1 now if they were any good.   Kinda makes you think uh?

[KSUTOMMY]

i dont recall anyone here saying that we are "cupcakes"... No, that is reserved for your non con. What we did say is that we have FPs on the defense and a crappy offensive line. Oh, this "cupcake" team was one play away from beating you. HMM - but you are ranked under a team with a loss.

[wileykufan]

I have an awful lot of KSU fans...and obviously I'm a ku Homer...but there isn't ONE of them that is happy with RP as a coach.

You can look at your recruiting (and your own fans have been all over this one) and see that RP is NOT recruiting to keep up, and it seems he is infatuated with undersized D-Linemen.

I'm not going to defend Mangino for his first five years...but he also knew things weren't working on Offense and made the adjustment. I don't think anyone can argue he's not a very good game day coach.

You can keep RP.

Outside of Manhattan no one would agree that he did not inherit a much better program than MM did. Game Ball (our former coach) had no idea how to recruit or motivate. We had undersized and outmanned players at EVERY position.

MM has not only turned the program around (forget the record, look at attendance and what is being DONE in Lawrence). ku FB players had to give deference to the BBall players when it came time to work out. MM put an end to that.

ku FB players have to be BUSSED to their own statdium for HOME games!! Try recruiting to that. Try recruiting to a program where the coaches had to clean the water spots off the FB players areas before recruits came in because the building was in such a bad state of disrepair.

It doesn't matter what you say to me. MM, wins and losses aside, CLEARLY turned the ku program around. We were WORSE than horrible, nearly a bad as what Snyder had when he took over.

NOW, I am NOT so much of a homer that I cannot see what Snyder DID at KSU and FOR KSU. I don't believe it will ever happen again. And, I believe, he DID do it during a more difficult time...but that doesn't take away from NOW and what the ku team has accomplished.

IF we lose to MU, I'll be crushed, but I'll still take THIS season and MM over RP and whatever he may accomplish at your university.

[KSUTOMMY]

Point made. Mangina did make adjustments - but Prince still has Snyders toilet water here and he is doing OK with that. 7 wins last year? That was the best that MM did until this year. I dont understand the love affair with this man... but you have to support what you have. One good season doesn't erase the years of sub par... everything that was ku FB. I am a little nervous about this season - but who wouldn't be. I still think that there is more upside to Prince than MM. Nice post though. I like to talk seriously some times.

[sonofdaxjones]

Let's see . . . Ron Prince replaced a legend, Mark Mangino replaced Terry Allen (who sadly for him played a dramatically tougher series of games in his 5 years at ku than Mark Mangino did) . . . boy it's not hard to figure out who would win the popularity contest there inside the respective fan bases.   

But don't kid yourself.  Snyder left the cupboard pretty bare, and was hyperconservative on facilities going so far as to turn down an offer to totally tear down Vanier and have an entirely new football complex built.   Plus there are TONS of schools that have to "bus" their teams over to their stadiums for games, that's absolutely no big deal on any level. 

Bottom line is that Mangino has been at ku for 6 years and has taken full advantage of the Big 12 North which is a shadow of its former self, likely to have its lowest total of bowl eligible teams since the Big 12 was formed.   Not Mangino's fault by any stretch, but the point still remains.   Again, Bill Snyder NEVER went into the 12th game of the season not having played a single game against a Top 30 team up to that point, and Terry Allen certainly never had that luxury.   I'd have to go look but I think at one point Terry Allen played 5 Top 20 teams in a row one year.

[Bookcat]

Jayhoax wrote: Scenario:  K-State beats MU and guaratees that we play in the conference title game.  Is the conference champ guaranteed a spot in "a" BCS Bowl regardless of the BCS standings?

HHOOOOOOOLY FRACK when did he write that? LOL!!!!!!!!!

[Jayhoxx]

When we were going over all the possible bowl scenarios and I wanted to confirm that we couldn't lose to MU (after they lost to you), still win the conference title game, but get screwed by the votorsa because we lost to MU.  In other words, I wanted to make sure there wasn't a "floor" on the BCS ranking that could keep a conference winner out of a BCS bowl.  (Like the top 12 minimum for a non-BCS team to get in.)

See how big of a deal this was?     I never said anything because Dax clearly didn't understand the nuance of the question.  Shocker, I know.

[sonofdaxjones]

When we were going over all the possible bowl scenarios and I wanted to confirm that we couldn't lose to MU (after they lost to you), still win the conference title game, but get screwed by the votorsa because we lost to MU.  In other words, I wanted to make sure there wasn't a "floor" on the BCS ranking that could keep a conference winner out of a BCS bowl.  (Like the top 12 minimum for a non-BCS team to get in.)

See how big of a deal this was?     I never said anything because Dax clearly didn't understand the nuance of the question.  Shocker, I know.

At this juncture you're just flailing Hoax.

[Jayhoxx]

Wanting to confirm the voters couldn't screw us is flailing?  This is really killing you, isn't it?  Did you see us on the cover of SI?

[sonofdaxjones]

Wanting to confirm the voters couldn't screw us is flailing?  This is really killing you, isn't it?  Did you see us on the cover of SI?

Hoax, since the inception of the BCS process the Big 12 Champion has always received an automatic bid to a BCS bowl . . . always.   That's why the Big 12 is called . . . what for it . . . A BCS Conference.

[Jayhoxx]

Wanting to confirm the voters couldn't screw us is flailing?  This is really killing you, isn't it?  Did you see us on the cover of SI?

Hoax, since the inception of the BCS process the Big 12 Champion has always received an automatic bid to a BCS bowl . . . always.   That's why the Big 12 is called . . . what for it . . . A BCS Conference.

Great!  Thanks for the info.  See, you can be more than useless.

[sonofdaxjones]

Wanting to confirm the voters couldn't screw us is flailing?  This is really killing you, isn't it?  Did you see us on the cover of SI?

Hoax, since the inception of the BCS process the Big 12 Champion has always received an automatic bid to a BCS bowl . . . always.   That's why the Big 12 is called . . . what for it . . . A BCS Conference.

Great!  Thanks for the info.  See, you can be more than useless.

I'll take the useless moniker over being a backpeddling dumb ass any day.

[Jayhoxx]

To backpedal, my current position would have to differ from my original question.

[sonofdaxjones]

Hmmm . . . you change your original post on phogtard net because you got called out, you post this  on here because everyone is laughing at your high level of idiocy.   Now all of sudden it's just a simple matter of us (namely me) not understanding the nuance of the original stupid ass statement/question. 

Back peddling.

[Jayhoxx]

I was screwing with a purple on phogtard.  I should have known you guys were lurking on there for anything to make you feel better about our season . . . even if you didn't understand my point.

Could I have played it better?  Yes.  Am I sorry that Dax needs this to compensate for the position of his football program?  No.

[sonofdaxjones]

I was screwing with a purple on phogtard.  I should have known you guys were lurking on there for anything to make you feel better about our season . . . even if you didn't understand my point.

Could I have played it better?  Yes.  Am I sorry that Dax needs this to compensate for the position of his football program?  No.

Okay, I'll lower my IQ to that of an Amoeba and say you just posted that so KSU fans would feel better about our season (even though only the absolute dumbest of the dumb powertards wouldn't know already that the Big 12 Champion gets an automatic BCS bid).

In terms of compensating . . . it is only your typical ku fan that needs the success of their athletic teams to serve as compensation for their short comings and low self esteem. 

[Jayhoxx]

Okay, I'll lower my IQ to that of an Amoeba and say you just posted that so KSU fans would feel better about our season (even though only the absolute dumbest of the dumb powertards wouldn't know already that the Big 12 Champion gets an automatic BCS bid).

No.  I posted it so that someone could answer my question.  It was some squirly purple who made a big deal out of it.

This is killing you, isn't it?

[BMWJhawk]

K-State... the best 5-6 football team all-time?

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

K-State... the best 5-6 football team all-time?

Not sure about that.  I do know, however, that if KSU were 11-0 and ranked #2 in the BCS, I would not spend all day on the message board of a non-rival with a sub-.500 record.  Unless, of course, that non-rival was my daddy. 

[sonofdaxjones]

Okay, I'll lower my IQ to that of an Amoeba and say you just posted that so KSU fans would feel better about our season (even though only the absolute dumbest of the dumb powertards wouldn't know already that the Big 12 Champion gets an automatic BCS bid).

No.  I posted it so that someone could answer my question.  It was some squirly purple who made a big deal out of it.

This is killing you, isn't it?

It's not killing me, because I will be a K-State fan no matter what, and I have been a K-State fan for a long time.  Even though ku and mu haven't played a significant football game against each other for forty years, I wasn't stupid enough to believe that it would never happen again.   I also wasn't stupid enough to believe that a school the size of, and with the demographics of ku, and with the culture of corruption that exists at ku wouldn't ever have a good football season again.  

But on  your dumbass question, you're all over the map chief . . . flailing.

 

[Jayhoxx]

K-State... the best 5-6 football team all-time?

Not sure about that.  I do know, however, that if KSU were 11-0 and ranked #2 in the BCS, I would not spend all day on the message board of a non-rival with a sub-.500 record.  Unless, of course, that non-rival was my daddy. 

Yes you would, because you guys did it in '98, and to a lesser extent in '03.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

K-State... the best 5-6 football team all-time?

Not sure about that.  I do know, however, that if KSU were 11-0 and ranked #2 in the BCS, I would not spend all day on the message board of a non-rival with a sub-.500 record.  Unless, of course, that non-rival was my daddy. 

Yes you would, because you guys did it in '98, and to a lesser extent in '03.

Not true.  It just seemed like it because there were only about 24-25 ku football fans total at that time. 

[Jayhoxx]

Yeah, true.  The ku football boards around '98 were a lot like KSUFANS.COM now.

[sonofdaxjones]

Yeah, true.  The ku football boards around '98 were a lot like KSUFANS.COM now.

Yeah, because we all know that while ksufans.com is the best k-state forum, it's also the most popular.   

[Jayhoxx]

It is by far the most fun.  No matter how few of you there are here.  Well, not you, Dax.  I mean the guys that can laugh once in a while without getting pissed at themselves for it.

[sonofdaxjones]

It is by far the most fun.  No matter how few of you there are here.  Well, not you, Dax.  I mean the guys that can laugh once in a while without getting pissed at themselves for it.

I laugh all the time, particularly as you attempt to explain what you "really meant".  It's freaking hilarious.

[Jayhoxx]

This is killing you, isn't it?

[sonofdaxjones]

This is killing you, isn't it?

Ummm-hmm, it's killing me.   
I remember when I used to argue on and on with ku fans way back in the day when I thought they weren't giving ksu proper respect, and I still remember one guy kept saying how he'd never post on a k-state board . . . ever.

[GoldbrickGangBoss]

I was led to believe, from the title, that this thread would be about Prince and some sort of defense for his 'regression.'

Instead its another Mangino/ku hate thread.

Looks to me like Mangino showed signs of regression that are small compared to the leaps of progression. Prince gets more than two years to seek progress but so far he's only shown regression. Its Ksu fans that are bashing him much moreso than even rival teams' fans.