Hmmm, so KSU is regressing under Prince??

[BMWJhawk]

Cap please do us all a favor and tell people you went to ku early and often.  I am not denying that ku is having a great year, in year SIX of the Mangino regime.   What is absolutely hilarious to me is some of you squawks claiming that just because KSU is struggling in Prince's 2nd year, that Prince doesn't have a prayer of ever fielding a good team at KSU.    This really isn't that hard, but I am not the least bit surprised that you don't get it and you keep regurgitating what ku has done in year 6 while pretty much denying that there was major regression under Mangino during Year THREE.  You know as well as I do he was somewhat lucky just to keep his job to even coach ku for a 6th year.

Geezus if you want to start using the "well we played 3 or 4 other close games in year 3" crap, than I can point out the exact same about KSU in Prince's 2nd year.   But this ain't hand grenades or horse shoes.

That's been the point, but you as per usual are a complete dumbass.  

As per usual Hoax fails to recognize how bringing in 7 or 8 academic frauds from the Juco ranks can help build depth and make battling for position spots more competitive helping out the entire program.  Then again the same guy produced my sig line.

Seriously, if Mangino inherited a 4-star, Elite 11 QB, an all-conference defensive end, and an All-American wide receiver, along with plenty of talent on both sides of the ball, his team would have been better than 5-6.  This same K-State team went into Texas and won by 3 TD's.  So don't give me this "poor little K-State just doesn't have the horses to compete yet thanks to Bill Snyder" argument.  This K-State team should have been improved from the 7-6 team you had last season.  Obviously, they've regressed.

Oh, and if anything, the Juco restrictions benefitted Kansas.  Our program is limited to 3 Juco recruits per year, so our coaches were forced to go out and find hidden gems in the high school ranks and develop them into solid football players.  It has definitely paid off, and here we are at 11-0 and #2 in the BCS. 

[michigancat]

Prince didn't inherit an All-American wide receiver.

He created one.

[catzacker]

It's hilarious how good Freeman and Ian are now.  They were terrible last year and all of this year, but now, they're the best players ever.  Oh, and every ku fan laughed at Jordy before the season.  

Mangino, in his first two years at ku if he had JF would have had the same record.  If KSU had Reesing this year, we'd have the same record (maybe worse).  If KSU had ku's defense (that Mangino has had multiple years to build) we'd be sitting in your same spot.  Now, if year 6, if we're having the same conversation about Prince, then sure, but all the crap you've said about Prince was the same crap everyone was saying about not only Mangino, but Pinkel.  

[Jayhoxx]

As per usual Hoax fails to recognize how bringing in 7 or 8 academic frauds from the Juco ranks can help build depth and make battling for position spots more competitive helping out the entire program.

I just need names.  That's all.  I am trying to figure out all these players that participated and provided all this depth you keep talking about.

[tmramrod91]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Mangino was on the hot seat before this year started.

And now, he is the second coming of bill snyder bc of one year where the stars all aligned and they catch every break in the world.

[sonofdaxjones]

Cap please do us all a favor and tell people you went to ku early and often.  I am not denying that ku is having a great year, in year SIX of the Mangino regime.   What is absolutely hilarious to me is some of you squawks claiming that just because KSU is struggling in Prince's 2nd year, that Prince doesn't have a prayer of ever fielding a good team at KSU.    This really isn't that hard, but I am not the least bit surprised that you don't get it and you keep regurgitating what ku has done in year 6 while pretty much denying that there was major regression under Mangino during Year THREE.  You know as well as I do he was somewhat lucky just to keep his job to even coach ku for a 6th year.

Geezus if you want to start using the "well we played 3 or 4 other close games in year 3" crap, than I can point out the exact same about KSU in Prince's 2nd year.   But this ain't hand grenades or horse shoes.

That's been the point, but you as per usual are a complete dumbass.  

As per usual Hoax fails to recognize how bringing in 7 or 8 academic frauds from the Juco ranks can help build depth and make battling for position spots more competitive helping out the entire program.  Then again the same guy produced my sig line.

Seriously, if Mangino inherited a 4-star, Elite 11 QB, an all-conference defensive end, and an All-American wide receiver, along with plenty of talent on both sides of the ball, his team would have been better than 5-6.  This same K-State team went into Texas and won by 3 TD's.  So don't give me this "poor little K-State just doesn't have the horses to compete yet thanks to Bill Snyder" argument.  This K-State team should have been improved from the 7-6 team you had last season.  Obviously, they've regressed.

Oh, and if anything, the Juco restrictions benefitted Kansas.  Our program is limited to 3 Juco recruits per year, so our coaches were forced to go out and find hidden gems in the high school ranks and develop them into solid football players.  It has definitely paid off, and here we are at 11-0 and #2 in the BCS. 

Hey uh Cap, a couple of things.  When did I say that KSU didn't regress this year??  Yeah, you always know that those walk-ons from Blue Valley High School (not the JoCo one) are going to turn into All-Americans.   So I just want to be clear here.  Mangino barely clings to his job, has two seasons with marked regression in the program, goes 5 years with the same offensive mindset that had only produced one even remotely close to prolific offense, has a huge drop off in defensive performance in Year 5, goes into year 6 19 games below .500 in conference play (while playing 70% fewer ranked conference opponents than ku played in the 5 years prior to Mangino). . . but he is a genius.  

But because KSU has struggled down the stretch of Prince's 2nd year, and because Prince has one somewhat heralded Sophomore QB . . . then Ron Prince has no prayer of ever fielding a decent program at KSU??  Come on Rainman stick with me here.

I also want to understand this logic.  When ku finds some unheralded high school player they're all "diamonds in the rough", when KSU finds some unheralded high school player . . . they all are going to suck (Phogtard logic)

So none of the guys that were involved in academic fraud at ku ever saw the practice field at ku hoax  . . . not one??  

[Jayhoxx]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Mangino was on the hot seat before this year started.

And now, he is the second coming of bill snyder bc of one year where the stars all aligned and they catch every break in the world.

Yes.  It just took him 6 years as opposed to Snyder's 10.  Or 15, depending on how you look at it.

[BMWJhawk]

'Pad, just give me one reason why anyone should expect K-State to be an improved team next season.  They've done nothing but get worse under Ron Prince.

[catzacker]

'Pad, just give me one reason why anyone should expect K-State to be an improved team next season.  They've done nothing but get worse under Ron Prince.

So next year ku will be 11-0, with one game to play in the regular season, right? 

[sonofdaxjones]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Mangino was on the hot seat before this year started.

And now, he is the second coming of bill snyder bc of one year where the stars all aligned and they catch every break in the world.

Yes.  It just took him 6 years as opposed to Snyder's 10.  Or 15, depending on how you look at it.

Yes, because I always remember those years when Snyder got to Game 12 of the season and up to that point hadn't played one single game against a team ranked in the Top 30 

Lets see, in Snyder's 5th and 6th Season KSU played CU and NU on back to back Saturdays, they combined to lose a whole 3 games in those two years, and NU won back to back National Titles, with the 1995 team being called the greatest college football team ever.

Of course in Snyder's 6th season, KSU played #8 ku in week 5 of the season as I recall.

[sonofdaxjones]

'Pad, just give me one reason why anyone should expect K-State to be an improved team next season.  They've done nothing but get worse under Ron Prince.

Just like everyone outside of the your typical ku douchebag was saying the same thing after Mangino's 3rd season.   

[Jayhoxx]

So Dax, are you on record as saying you will fight to keep Prince if you lose to Fresno is disgusting fashion?

[sonofdaxjones]

So Dax, are you on record as saying you will fight to keep Prince if you lose to Fresno is disgusting fashion?

No, I certainly have problems with what Prince has done, and then again, anyone outside of your typical ku douchebag could see the huge holes and issues with Mangino's program after year 3 . . . oh but wait, having a 3 game backslide year over year and sucking in many areas was all part of the genius plan, regressing in year five was also part of Mangino's grand plan . . . we all know he wasn't under any pressure on his job status  .   I know I have to keep spelling it out for the resident squawks but the basic premise of my posts on this thread is to assail whole idea that Ron Prince has no shot of ever doing anything at KSU that I see coming from the keyboards of many squawk fans and mu tards.   

[sonofdaxjones]

So Hoax, just to be clear, the 7 or 8 academic frauds never practice a single minute at ku, nor played in any games at ku??   So the idea of building depth, providing more competition at various positions etc. etc.  Is a concept that's completely lost on you then??

[Jayhoxx]

I just wanted to confirm that you have always assumed they contributed, rather than base your rants on any facts.  Thanks.

I remember when I used to post pizzed off, hate the world rants like you in my formative message board years.  Ahhhh, those were the days.

[sonofdaxjones]

I just wanted to confirm that you have always assumed they contributed, rather than base your rants on any facts.  Thanks.

I remember when I used to post pizzed off, hate the world rants like you in my formative message board years.  Ahhhh, those were the days.

LOL . . . I never assumed they contributed in actual games because the players involved names were never announced officially, I guess you don't bother to read the NCAA's reports about your school.   I just understand how bringing in experienced Juco players helps build depth and increase competition, thus helping the entire team and program. 

I remember when someone said that they'd never post on another teams boards (repeatedly) then ku got themselves a football team (for a change) and now that someone is all over our board.

[LimestoneOutcropping]

As per usual Hoax fails to recognize how bringing in 7 or 8 academic frauds from the Juco ranks can help build depth and make battling for position spots more competitive helping out the entire program.

I just need names.  That's all.  I am trying to figure out all these players that participated and provided all this depth you keep talking about.

The ones with talent didn't get self reported.  Those cheaters are still on the field.

[KSUTOMMY]

Comparing what Mangina inherited to what Synder inherited is obscene.

under Mangina:

YOUR program digressed horribly

NCAA violations

Mangina beats his wife during the best season of his career

under Prince:

we went to a bowl game his first year (remember? Jay players and jayhawk Nation watched it from the couch)

in year two we digressed with FPs on the O Line and in the D.

Conclusion - I STILL take Prince!

[Jayhoxx]

As per usual Hoax fails to recognize how bringing in 7 or 8 academic frauds from the Juco ranks can help build depth and make battling for position spots more competitive helping out the entire program.

I just need names.  That's all.  I am trying to figure out all these players that participated and provided all this depth you keep talking about.

The ones with talent didn't get self reported.  Those cheaters are still on the field.

You and Dax on a misguided assumption fest today?     (Hint to Dax: That whole group was a bust.  None of them provided even decent practice time for ku.  The whole fiasco is what caused Mangino to put a requirement on Jucos that they be qualified and on campus mid-year, with few exceptions.  Kinda worked out nice in the long run, eh?  The real genius was getting the NCAA to fall for a Juco limitation that Mangino was already practicing anyway.  It also only limited 2-year Juco guys, not 3 year.    )

[fatty fat fat]

hey hox, do you remember your rant after 64-0? Anyway, you wouldn't quit whining about Newman downing the ball at the 1. You were adamant he was in the endzone.

 

Those were the days bro!

 

[Jayhoxx]

Preach it brutha!!!!      

[BMWJhawk]

K-State fans... still living off the success that their team had 5 years ago.

[fatty fat fat]

K-State fans... still living off the success that their team had 5 years ago.

beating your rival by 64 is fun!

 

[BMWJhawk]

K-State is 5-6.  I'm sure you're having a blast!

 

[fatty fat fat]

HD!  Indy bowl appy on the line! 

I'm friggin pumped. 

[KSUTOMMY]

since 2002 36-35 record, CONGRATS - including the 11 wins this year, ku has acheived mediocraty over the last 6 yrs.

[BMWJhawk]

HD!  Indy bowl appy on the line! 

I'm friggin pumped. 

since 2002 36-35 record, CONGRATS - including the 11 wins this year, ku has acheived mediocraty over the last 6 yrs.

11-0.  #2 in the BCS. 

That is all.

[KSUTOMMY]

Hawaii would beat you - they would just score more points... but we will never know, because in addition to the various Buffets in the Larry town area, the Fighting Manginas have been fattening up on that ridiculous schedule. Let's talk next year when you have to prove it. 

[sonofdaxjones]

As per usual Hoax fails to recognize how bringing in 7 or 8 academic frauds from the Juco ranks can help build depth and make battling for position spots more competitive helping out the entire program.

I just need names.  That's all.  I am trying to figure out all these players that participated and provided all this depth you keep talking about.

The ones with talent didn't get self reported.  Those cheaters are still on the field.

You and Dax on a misguided assumption fest today?     (Hint to Dax: That whole group was a bust.  None of them provided even decent practice time for ku.  The whole fiasco is what caused Mangino to put a requirement on Jucos that they be qualified and on campus mid-year, with few exceptions.  Kinda worked out nice in the long run, eh?  The real genius was getting the NCAA to fall for a Juco limitation that Mangino was already practicing anyway.  It also only limited 2-year Juco guys, not 3 year.    )

Sure, you start putting in restrictions when you've been busted for cheating.   But of course Mark Mangino didn't know anything about what was going on . . .     But nice anecdotal story about Mangino's so called "self imposed" restrictions on Juco players.

[sonofdaxjones]

Cap just cranked a couple off into the spank sock while looking at the ku Football Media Guide and returned to the K-State BBS for the night.