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Sports => Snyder's Electronic Cyber Space World => Topic started by: fatty fat fat on October 23, 2007, 09:31:27 AM
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Anyone else excited?
104-164, 64%, 6 td's 3 int's, 1100 yards
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Rather have someone who could run
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why? so we can have a qb that averages 3.9 ypc instead of handing it off to an actual RB?
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No, so he can be a threat if he has to scramble
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Anyone else excited?
104-164, 64%, 6 td's 3 int's, 1100 yards
Freeman as a soph >>>>>>> Ell III as a soph. Period.
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i have to agree with the subject of this thread. before thine own eyes, every pass he makes is another square inch of bronze to be melted to form and mold this great man into a statue that my kids (not born yet) will ask me who that great man was on our way into Jarsh Freeman Memorial Sprint Piggly Wigglies Auto Zone Stadium.
having him play so much last year was a godsend. there are the comparisons to bledsoe, and ill take it.
im stoked. excited. i take my jarsh freeman excitement with two lumps of sugar.
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No, so he can be a threat if he has to scramble
I think we need to hold a funural for the QB run game. Some people are holding on to yesterday a little too much.
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No, so he can be a threat if he has to scramble
When our O-line improves will this even be an issue? No, because we will have a consistent run game w/ running backs that will keep the pressure off using all types of runs (reads, draws, dives, stretch, etc.). Also, a consistent run game will open up play-action, screens and trickery.
Look at how the O-line has improved from last season to this season. They are by no means great, but they have improved. I would consider them consistently serviceable and at times they are good. I think it's pretty safe to assume that the O-line will be much better next year.
Also, should JF have to scramble he will the potential to obliterate any defender who is not a D-lineman. JF @ 260# > DB or LB for collision purposes. Anyone care to guess what the coefficient of restitution is between JF and a defender?
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I do see a lot of progress. I think he is making good reads, making good throws, leading the offense, and most importantly he hasn't really made bad turnovers the past 3 games (only one of the INT's vs. ku was a bad decision IMO). He just needs to continue to do so. IMO, we aren't losing game because of JF this year. Last year we lost games because he turned it over or couldn't make correct reads/throws (and that was in part because of the OL). This year we're losing (or winning) because of our defense.
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I do see a lot of progress. I think he is making good reads, making good throws, leading the offense, and most importantly he hasn't really made bad turnovers the past 3 games (only one of the INT's vs. ku was a bad decision IMO). He just needs to continue to do so. IMO, we aren't losing game because of JF this year. Last year we lost games because he turned it over or couldn't make correct reads/throws (and that was in part because of the OL). This year we're losing (or winning) because of our defense.
I'd agree with that assessment -- he's looked a lot better this year. Now if someone can just teach him how to slide...
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No, so he can be a threat if he has to scramble
I think we need to hold a funural for the QB run game. Some people are holding on to yesterday a little too much.
Pat White and Dennis Dixon run 2 pretty salty offenses... you're a &@#%ing idiot.
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No, so he can be a threat if he has to scramble
I think we need to hold a funural for the QB run game. Some people are holding on to yesterday a little too much.
O ya, and Vince Young sucks. QB run game is dead in football.
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give me v. youngs stats this year.
he aint the greatest.
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No, so he can be a threat if he has to scramble
I think we need to hold a funural for the QB run game. Some people are holding on to yesterday a little too much.
O ya, and Vince Young sucks. QB run game is dead in football.
Good call. Because there are a sh1t ton of Vince Youngs out there.
Stupid snyder fan idiot.
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No, so he can be a threat if he has to scramble
I think we need to hold a funural for the QB run game. Some people are holding on to yesterday a little too much.
O ya, and Vince Young sucks. QB run game is dead in football.
Tyrod Taylor is doing OK at Va Tech I think. O, and he's a true freshman. QB run game is dead.
Good call. Because there are a sh1t ton of Vince Youngs out there.
Stupid snyder fan idiot.
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Duke, Clemson, UNC, William & Mary, Ohio.
I wish we had that schedu.
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Duke, Clemson, UNC, William & Mary, Ohio.
I wish we had that schedu.
How about Juice Williams? I think his team is doing good this year, right? QB run game is dead.
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Josh Freeman is by far the best sophmore QB KSU has ever had. By far.
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Duke, Clemson, UNC, William & Mary, Ohio.
I wish we had that schedu.
How about Juice Williams? I think his team is doing good this year, right? QB run game is dead.
Wtf is your point idiot snyder fan? (ISF)
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Duke, Clemson, UNC, William & Mary, Ohio.
I wish we had that schedu.
How about Juice Williams? I think his team is doing good this year, right? QB run game is dead.
Wtf is your point idiot snyder fan? (ISF)
My point is that you are stupid if you think the QB run game is dead.
Dennis Dixon- Oregon #5 AP
Juice Williams- Illinois
Tyrod Taylor- Va Tech #8 AP
Pat White- West Virginia
Tim Tebow- Florida #9 AP
3 running QB's on 3 top 10 teams. You have 8 million posts on message boards and you know anything about football, sad.
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those teams are ranked that high WITHOUT run QBs.
every year.
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Sure thing ISF. Who said the QB run game is dead? I'm enjoying averaging 38 points per game in big 12 play.
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Tim Tebow is injured right now. Do you know how screwed we would be if Freeman went down? As much as Texas was last year when Colt did. Next year we'll actually have back-ups that don't look like the guy on Mad Magazine and might actually be able to put a drive together.
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The option QB is fine. So is a drop back passer with some mobility. I do wish JF had a bit more mobility so in times where things break down and the coverage is good he could tuck it and run (not like Ell or Bishop, or even Beasley, but just a little more mobility than he currently has), but given the QB we have and the physical skill set he was given, he's made good progress.
Also, if our defense could stop anyone, we'd be f'ing undefeated with a drop back QB. We aren't losing because JF can't run the spread option.
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Some dumbass said we should hold a funeral for the QB run game. Just because we don't have a running QB doesn't mean it's dead. I like JF and our offense right now. Might want to remember that he's throwing to the people's champ though. Jordy won't be here next year.
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Some dumbass said we should hold a funeral for the QB run game. Just because we don't have a running QB doesn't mean it's dead. I like JF and our offense right now. Might want to remember that he's throwing to the people's champ though. Jordy won't be here next year.
I'm pretty sure he was saying/implying KSU fans should hold the funeral because we aren't going back to that in any way shape or form so get over it. Yes, Jordy will be a big loss next season. Hopefully having the entire OL back next year will provide JF more time to look for other receivers and provide JF a running game.
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those teams are ranked that high WITHOUT run QBs.
every year.
West Virginia was non existent before Pat White, same with Illinois and Juice Williams, now they are both competitive teams and have been ranked in previous weeks.
Va Tech wasn't top 10 last year without a running QB.
Since when has Oregon been in the top 10 every year? Last year they weren't in the final top 25.
And everyone knows that a huge part of Florida's NC run was their second dimension with Tebow as QB running the ball. Without him, they aren't in the NC picture last year.
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Things are coming together for Josh. He's playing at a very high level and he's fiinally getting some decent protection and he's got some good weapons to work. We're going to be a very hard offense to stop the rest of this season if everyone stays healthy.
Not sure I understand the knock on Josh's mobility. The protection has been poor at times and yet he hardly ever takes a sack. He's got good instincts to evade the rush and he almost always gets out of the pocket and gets a throw off under pressure. He's been sacked an incredibly low number of times this year considering; how much we throw, the lack of steller o-line play, and the high quality of competition we've faced. Maybe he's not going to burn you for a 15 yard scramble but he's fast enough to get out of the pocket and get the ball away to an open guy which to me is more dangerous then a guy that is always looking to run at the first sign of trouble.
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Until Freeman graduates, the QB run game won't happen at KSU. After him, I don't think its unthinkable. Prince is not opposed to using it in his offense, he's just opposed to using it with Josh Freeman.
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Good lord. ISF's gone wild!
Nobody said that the QB run game was dead. I suggested that we hold a funural for it at KSU because we ain't gonna see it here anytime soon. Can't say that I have a problem with that either.
For as much as the QB run game helped KSU in the past, it was a double edged sword. Bishop's fumble against A&M, Ell's injury against McNeese St, Ell's fumble at UT, etc...
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Some dumbass said we should hold a funeral for the QB run game. Just because we don't have a running QB doesn't mean it's dead. I like JF and our offense right now. Might want to remember that he's throwing to the people's champ though. Jordy won't be here next year.
You the f-ing dumbass. It's dead at KSU, you douche. Snyder ain't walking through that door and neither is Mike or Ell.
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I have to think, because of the lack of depth at QB in '06 and even this season, the coaches insisted Freeman not scramble too often. Whether that's a good strategy or not, remains to be seen. But, if Freeman can stand in the pocket and deliver like he has, I won't complain. I was concerned earlier in the season, when it seemed he hadn't quite picked the game up yet, but he's coming around. And, without much help from the run game.
Imagine if the run game was a legitimate weapon? damn.
R.J.
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This thread had good potential at one point in time.
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I'd also add, to the o-line's credit, the unit has learned to pass protect. Only 5 sacks given up this season, I think? And Josh usually has a decent amount of time to throw. The line hasn't learned to run block yet, but hopefully that will come with time.
R.J.
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quick...MODS,
change his name to (ISF)
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This thread had good potential at one point in time.
So did your posting career.
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All this when I never even said I wanted a QB run game. To pretend a quarterback who can run well cant be a threat when ALL receivers are covered is ridiculous.
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We don't have an offensive line that can blow people off the ball, the offense has been extremely good in 3 of the 4 conference games so far and I believe getting the ball into the hands of the playmakers via the pass has been great. I don't care what anyone says, to have an effective QB running game, you've got to have a line that won't get the QB killed on every other play . . . period.
We have far greater concerns with our defense.
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I have absolutely no problem with QBJF in any way shape or form. Even having Ell at his best, his deep balls looked like well orchestrated punts some times. Oh, I hope that we all aren't forgetting last year, the OSU game - wasn't there a QB run with plenty of jukes for a TD to solidify the win? I believe that when he needs too - QBJF can do some running.
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Think Coach Franklin deserves credit for Freeman's progress thus far this year too. Remember when he was hired there was a fair amount of questions regarding his lack of a track record coaching QBs, despite playing the position in college.
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gotta love the comments about wanting QB runner when we are 2nd in the conference in scoring offense in Big 12 play.
Good stuff.
40, 24, 47, and 39....not good enough apparently.
btw...Tejas, Kanssas, and Colorado go 1, 2, and 5 in Big 12 play in defense so the 40, 24, and 47 not too shabby.
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btw...Tejas, Kanssas, and Colorado go 1, 2, and 5 in Big 12 play in defense so the 40, 24, and 47 not too shabby.
Good stat :ksu:
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gotta love the comments about wanting QB runner when we are 2nd in the conference in scoring offense in Big 12 play.
Good stuff.
40, 24, 47, and 39....not good enough apparently.
btw...Tejas, Kanssas, and Colorado go 1, 2, and 5 in Big 12 play in defense so the 40, 24, and 47 not too shabby.
Hatter, the 40 on UT included 3 non-offensive TD's. Don't forget that. 24 against ku should have been way more, especially with our 1st quarter field position. But we did own Colorado.
Not saying I want a running QB, but if we don't have the OL to protect, one with more mobility would be nice. People need to stop putting words in my mouth, I have said before in this thread that I like JF and our O. Our D right now is a different story.
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gotta love the comments about wanting QB runner when we are 2nd in the conference in scoring offense in Big 12 play.
Good stuff.
40, 24, 47, and 39....not good enough apparently.
btw...Tejas, Kanssas, and Colorado go 1, 2, and 5 in Big 12 play in defense so the 40, 24, and 47 not too shabby.
Hatter, the 40 on UT included 3 non-offensive TD's. Don't forget that. 24 against ku should have been way more, especially with our 1st quarter field position. But we did own Colorado.
Not saying I want a running QB, but if we don't have the OL to protect, one with more mobility would be nice. People need to stop putting words in my mouth, I have said before in this thread that I like JF and our O. Our D right now is a different story.
That stat had nothing to do with you wanting or not wanting a running QB.
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It also had nothing to do with how our offense has played against those teams.
Our O was not the reason we put up 40 on Texas. We had no run game against ku, thus couldn't control the ball, kept our D out on the field, and lost the game. We owned colorado. The fact that we scored a lot of points in those games doesn't mean our O is a bunch of world beaters.
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It also had nothing to do with how our offense has played against those teams.
Our O was not the reason we put up 40 on Texas. We had no run game against ku, thus couldn't control the ball, kept our D out on the field, and lost the game. We pwn3d colorado. The fact that we scored a lot of points in those games doesn't mean our O is a bunch of world beaters.
no, but the fact that we average 38 ppg is.
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It also had nothing to do with how our offense has played against those teams.
Our O was not the reason we put up 40 on Texas. We had no run game against ku, thus couldn't control the ball, kept our D out on the field, and lost the game. We pwn3d colorado. The fact that we scored a lot of points in those games doesn't mean our O is a bunch of world beaters.
no, but the fact that we average 38 ppg is.
QFMFT In conference play no less
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This thread had good potential at one point in time.
So did your posting career.
you gonna let this one go dave steve?
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It also had nothing to do with how our offense has played against those teams.
Our O was not the reason we put up 40 on Texas. We had no run game against ku, thus couldn't control the ball, kept our D out on the field, and lost the game. We pwn3d colorado. The fact that we scored a lot of points in those games doesn't mean our O is a bunch of world beaters.
hey man..sorry didn't PM you back. Read it and got busy and didn't get back to it.
Yes, 40 at Texas had some ST and Def in there but we also cashed in on the short fields and sat on the ball the last Qtr. The offense moved the ball fine and we could run the ball in Austin when we had to.
Against ku the offense was running the ball fine until Bedore got hurt. Once Bedore went down everything changed. I thought penalties killed us in that first half. We put up 250 yards of offense in that first Qtr but it's tough to convert when you're 1st or 2nd & 25 early in the drive. And Prince thought a few of those calls were highly questionable...interesting that it was Cristal's crew and that is the only officiating crew in Big 12 play who have thrown a ton of yellow on the field during one of our games.
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This thread had good potential at one point in time.
So did your posting career.
you gonna let this one go dave steve?
YIKES! Hadn't noticed it yet :curse:
But, yeah, probably :runaway:
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I think that by the time it is all said and done, we will look back at the running/slashing style of qb we used to have and say, "Yeah, but look what we have now!" I wasn't able to watch the OSU game, but some of those passes that I did see on the highlight video were incredible. For those of you who are less-than-impressed with Freeman, let me ask you this - What other true Sophomore QB would you take?
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It's cool man. I agree about the penalties, but that is part of an offense's execution. At times we did move the ball well on Texas, but drives stalled quite a bit. I think ku was by far our worst offensive game if you take into account the penalties and lack of run game. We couldn't stay on the field to give our D a rest, and ku moved the ball at will late in the game.
The O has been getting better, I just don't agree with your stat as a way to measure the O's performance. Can't really grade the D since I didn't get to see the Ostate game. But we gotta cover a &@#%ing kick.
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Remember Ell as a sophomore?
:lol:
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Freeman has never been the biggest problem with our team when we lose. If you think so, then name me a game we lost with him where he got good protection. Every game he has struggled in has been a direct result of his protection breaking down early and him having trying to scramble and make a play with his arm on the run and then not feeling comfortable in the pocket the rest of the game. It all starts with the line. We lost the Kansas game because the protection broke down, pretty much after Bedore went down, and then had zero running game to compliment. The defense didn't help but I thought played just well enough to where we should have been able to score once more and win. The Oklahoma State loss was the first game where Freeman had good protection, the offense moved the ball and scored points and we still lost. For the first time, we lost a game because of defense and special teams, the areas we are suppose to excel in. That's why this last game was so frustrating.
The bottom line is, give Freeman good protection and a decent running game and his talents will really show and the offense will take off. I think we've seen that on several occasions these last two seasons.
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Some dumbass said we should hold a funeral for the QB run game. Just because we don't have a running QB doesn't mean it's dead. I like JF and our offense right now. Might want to remember that he's throwing to the people's champ though. Jordy won't be here next year.
You the f-ing dumbass. It's dead at KSU, you douche. Snyder ain't walking through that door and neither is Mike or Ell.
How many times do people need to point out the gradual change of Snyderball over the years....
Didn't Snyder start out with the spread and then later on, changed to option attack style? I believe so.
For anyone to say the option is dead at KSU is a complete retard. I'm pretty sure more than one person saw Freeman run the option a couple times verses Colorado.
I was excited.
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Remember Ell as a sophomore?
:lol:
ell 2 rickey lloyd vs isu!
:love: :love: :love: :love:
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Remember Ell as a sophomore?
:lol:
He was still being called Ell Overthrowberson in the Collegian's fourum. Freeman is light years ahead of Roberson his Soph year.
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Remember Ell as a sophomore?
:lol:
He was still being called Ell Overthrowberson in the Collegian's fourum. Freeman is light years ahead of Roberson his Soph year.
What about his bounce passes? Or was that Meier? Probably both of them. :blindfold:
LOL @ "Overthrowberson"
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The option QB is fine. So is a drop back passer with some mobility. I do wish JF had a bit more mobility so in times where things break down and the coverage is good he could tuck it and run (not like Ell or Bishop, or even Beasley, but just a little more mobility than he currently has), but given the QB we have and the physical skill set he was given, he's made good progress.
Also, if our defense could stop anyone, we'd be f'ing undefeated with a drop back QB. We aren't losing because JF can't run the spread option.
Auburn
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Can't really grade the D since I didn't get to see the Ostate game. But we gotta cover a fracking kick.
Garvin. It was well covered but Garvin got stupid. He lunged when he didn't need to. The corner was bottled up and all Garvin had to do was stay on his feet and chase him into the bunch...instead he lunged thinking he was going to get the corner and when he left his feet it provided a cutback lane for Cox. It was over at that point.
A senior shouldn't do that let alone any defensive player.
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Remember Ell as a sophomore?
:lol:
He was still being called Ell Overthrowberson in the Collegian's fourum. Freeman is light years ahead of Roberson his Soph year.
What about his bounce passes? Or was that Meier? Probably both of them. :blindfold:
LOL @ "Overthrowberson"
Roberson was just generally inaccurate his early seasons and had some very bad overthrows in some games. I think he started coming around about this time during the 2002 season.
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This whole thread is just like my 73 year old grandpa bitching the other day because we don't have Victor Mann in the backfield.
:blahblah:
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This whole thread is just like my 73 year old grandpa bitching the other day because we don't have Victor Mann in the backfield.
:blahblah:
:lol:
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Remember Ell as a sophomore?
:lol:
Didn't he go like 6-15 for 40-ish yards @USC? Or was that Evridge @NU...
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Ell was something like 2-15 for 27 yards vs USC
Evridge was 5-27 for 67 yards @NU.
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Our last 4 QBs starting their first game in Lincoln:
05 Evridge 5-27-1-77
01 Roberson 1-11-2-32
99 Beasley 3-19-0-100
97 Bishop 8-24-2-162
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wow.
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Our last 4 QBs starting their first game in Lincoln:
05 Evridge 5-27-1-77
01 Roberson 1-11-2-32
99 Beasley 3-19-0-100
97 Bishop 8-24-2-162
same colors, different Nebraska.
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Our last 4 QBs starting their first game in Lincoln:
05 Evridge 5-27-1-77
01 Roberson 1-11-2-32
99 Beasley 3-19-0-100
97 Bishop 8-24-2-162
same colors, different Nebraska.
No doubt. I'm thinking Freeman's numbers will look more like this:
93 May 30-51-489-2.
:D
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No doubt. I'm thinking Freeman's numbers will look more like this:
93 May 30-51-489-2.
:D
:ksu: :excited: :ksu:
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I am continually amazed at the lack of repsect some have for the history of this program and the man who built it. Impossible to say what numbers Ell would have had as a Soph if he threw mostly swing passes and been in every play no matter how many mistakes he made. Simply put in 2001,we were coming off 4 straight 11 win seasons and the standard for QB's was really, really high.
Freeman is a good fit for the current offense Prince has built around him. I am not hating Freeman for that. Completion percentages in the current offense versus the Coach Syder Era offense are not valid. In the old offense more deep balls were thrown in a game than we throw in three or four games now.
I see growth in Prince as a game day coach and feel he is building a pretty solid team that will usually be a factor in the North.
There, positive comments from a Snyderfanatic about the current state of KSU Football. .
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No doubt. I'm thinking Freeman's numbers will look more like this:
93 May 30-51-489-2.
:D
:ksu: :excited: :ksu:
:love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :ksu: :ksu: :ksu: :ksu: :ksu: :ksu: :ksu: :ksu: :excited: :excited: :excited: :excited:
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f*ck the qb run game.
Snyder's offense would be good for last f*cking place 4 years in a row, going on five. He flat out sucked with Dylan/AE.
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f*ck the qb run game.
Snyder's offense would be good for last f*cking place 4 years in a row, going on five. He flat out sucked with Dylan/AE.
His ability to adjust to his personnel was amazingly bad in his last two years. It's like he realized the post-Roberson QBs didn't fit the mold he created with Bishop, but decided he was too old to change and said "f*ck it."
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Our last 4 QBs starting their first game in Lincoln:
05 Evridge 5-27-1-77
01 Roberson 1-11-2-32
99 Beasley 3-19-0-100
97 Bishop 8-24-2-162
how did Chad May do his first game in Lincoln :confused:
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but decided he was too old to change and said "f*ck it."
He also took a two year nap during time designated for recruiting
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Our last 4 QBs starting their first game in Lincoln:
05 Evridge 5-27-1-77
01 Roberson 1-11-2-32
99 Beasley 3-19-0-100
97 Bishop 8-24-2-162
how did Chad May do his first game in Lincoln :confused:
Our last 4 QBs starting their first game in Lincoln:
05 Evridge 5-27-1-77
01 Roberson 1-11-2-32
99 Beasley 3-19-0-100
97 Bishop 8-24-2-162
same colors, different Nebraska.
No doubt. I'm thinking Freeman's numbers will look more like this:
93 May 30-51-489-2.
:D
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What really tells me he's improved is that we've only given up 5 sacks. The OL aint THAT good, so Josh is moving around to make plays, or getting rid of the ball safely instead of throwing stupid passes/ints.
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What really tells me he's improved is that we've only given up 5 sacks. The OL aint THAT good, so Josh is moving around to make plays, or getting rid of the ball safely instead of throwing stupid passes/ints.
QFT, the NFL dorky stats site says sacks are very dependent on QB.
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What really tells me he's improved is that we've only given up 5 sacks. The OL aint THAT good, so Josh is moving around to make plays, or getting rid of the ball safely instead of throwing stupid passes/ints.
QFT, the NFL dorky stats site says sacks are very dependent on QB.
I think a good way to back this up would be to look at the number of times Bledsoe got sacked in Dallas as opposed to Romo's numbers with virtually the same O-line.
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Yeah, but Romo is a running QB.
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