Freeman quickly turning into the God we always thought he'd be

[JesusShuttlesworth]

Some dumbass said we should hold a funeral for the QB run game.  Just because we don't have a running QB doesn't mean it's dead.  I like JF and our offense right now.  Might want to remember that he's throwing to the people's champ though.  Jordy won't be here next year.

You the f-ing dumbass.  It's dead at KSU, you douche.  Snyder ain't walking through that door and neither is Mike or Ell. 

[rjd27]

I have to think, because of the lack of depth at QB in '06 and even this season, the coaches insisted Freeman not scramble too often. Whether that's a good strategy or not, remains to be seen. But, if Freeman can stand in the pocket and deliver like he has, I won't complain. I was concerned earlier in the season, when it seemed he hadn't quite picked the game up yet, but he's coming around. And, without much help from the run game.
Imagine if the run game was a legitimate weapon? damn.
R.J.

[steve dave]

This thread had good potential at one point in time. 

[rjd27]

I'd also add, to the o-line's credit, the unit has learned to pass protect. Only 5 sacks given up this season, I think? And Josh usually has a decent amount of time to throw. The line hasn't learned to run block yet, but hopefully that will come with time.
R.J.

[ECN]

quick...MODS,

change his name to (ISF)

[JesusShuttlesworth]

This thread had good potential at one point in time. 

So did your posting career. 

[hemmy]

All this when I never even said I wanted a QB run game.  To pretend a quarterback who can run well cant be a threat when ALL receivers are covered is ridiculous.

[sonofdaxjones]

We don't have an offensive line that can blow people off the ball, the offense has been extremely good in 3 of the 4 conference games so far and I believe getting the ball into the hands of the playmakers via the pass has been great.   I don't care what anyone says, to have an effective QB running game, you've got to have a line that won't get the QB killed on every other play . . . period.

We have far greater concerns with our defense.

[KSUTOMMY]

I have absolutely no problem with QBJF in any way shape or form. Even having Ell at his best, his deep balls looked like well orchestrated punts some times. Oh, I hope that we all aren't forgetting last year, the OSU game - wasn't there a QB run with plenty of jukes for a TD to solidify the win? I believe that when he needs too - QBJF can do some running.

[Arthur Carlson]

Think Coach Franklin deserves credit for Freeman's progress thus far this year too.  Remember when he was hired there was a fair amount of questions regarding his lack of a track record coaching QBs, despite playing the position in college.

[The Manhatter]

gotta love the comments about wanting QB runner when we are 2nd in the conference in scoring offense in Big 12 play.

Good stuff.

40, 24, 47, and 39....not good enough apparently.

btw...Tejas, Kanssas, and Colorado go 1, 2, and 5 in Big 12 play in defense so the 40, 24, and 47 not too shabby.

[steve dave]

btw...Tejas, Kanssas, and Colorado go 1, 2, and 5 in Big 12 play in defense so the 40, 24, and 47 not too shabby.

Good stat 

[PurpleReign]

gotta love the comments about wanting QB runner when we are 2nd in the conference in scoring offense in Big 12 play.

Good stuff.

40, 24, 47, and 39....not good enough apparently.

btw...Tejas, Kanssas, and Colorado go 1, 2, and 5 in Big 12 play in defense so the 40, 24, and 47 not too shabby.

Hatter, the 40 on UT included 3 non-offensive TD's.  Don't forget that.  24 against ku should have been way more, especially with our 1st quarter field position.  But we did own Colorado.

Not saying I want a running QB, but if we don't have the OL to protect, one with more mobility would be nice.  People need to stop putting words in my mouth, I have said before in this thread that I like JF and our O.  Our D right now is a different story.

[steve dave]

gotta love the comments about wanting QB runner when we are 2nd in the conference in scoring offense in Big 12 play.

Good stuff.

40, 24, 47, and 39....not good enough apparently.

btw...Tejas, Kanssas, and Colorado go 1, 2, and 5 in Big 12 play in defense so the 40, 24, and 47 not too shabby.

Hatter, the 40 on UT included 3 non-offensive TD's.  Don't forget that.  24 against ku should have been way more, especially with our 1st quarter field position.  But we did own Colorado.

Not saying I want a running QB, but if we don't have the OL to protect, one with more mobility would be nice.  People need to stop putting words in my mouth, I have said before in this thread that I like JF and our O.  Our D right now is a different story.

That stat had nothing to do with you wanting or not wanting a running QB. 

[PurpleReign]

It also had nothing to do with how our offense has played against those teams. 

Our O was not the reason we put up 40 on Texas.  We had no run game against ku, thus couldn't control the ball, kept our D out on the field, and lost the game.  We owned colorado.  The fact that we scored a lot of points in those games doesn't mean our O is a bunch of world beaters.

[fatty fat fat]

It also had nothing to do with how our offense has played against those teams. 

Our O was not the reason we put up 40 on Texas.  We had no run game against ku, thus couldn't control the ball, kept our D out on the field, and lost the game.  We pwn3d colorado.  The fact that we scored a lot of points in those games doesn't mean our O is a bunch of world beaters.

no, but the fact that we average 38 ppg is.

[steve dave]

It also had nothing to do with how our offense has played against those teams. 

Our O was not the reason we put up 40 on Texas.  We had no run game against ku, thus couldn't control the ball, kept our D out on the field, and lost the game.  We pwn3d colorado.  The fact that we scored a lot of points in those games doesn't mean our O is a bunch of world beaters.

no, but the fact that we average 38 ppg is.

QFMFT In conference play no less

[ECN]

This thread had good potential at one point in time. 

So did your posting career. 

you gonna let this one go dave steve?

[The Manhatter]

It also had nothing to do with how our offense has played against those teams. 

Our O was not the reason we put up 40 on Texas.  We had no run game against ku, thus couldn't control the ball, kept our D out on the field, and lost the game.  We pwn3d colorado.  The fact that we scored a lot of points in those games doesn't mean our O is a bunch of world beaters.

hey man..sorry didn't PM you back.  Read it and got busy and didn't get back to it.

Yes, 40 at Texas had some ST and Def in there but we also cashed in on the short fields and sat on the ball the last Qtr.  The offense moved the ball fine and we could run the ball in Austin when we had to.

Against ku the offense was running the ball fine until Bedore got hurt.  Once Bedore went down everything changed.  I thought penalties killed us in that first half.  We put up 250 yards of offense in that first Qtr but it's tough to convert when you're 1st or 2nd & 25 early in the drive.  And Prince thought a few of those calls were highly questionable...interesting that it was Cristal's crew and that is the only officiating crew in Big 12 play who have thrown a ton of yellow on the field during one of our games.

[steve dave]

This thread had good potential at one point in time. 

So did your posting career. 

you gonna let this one go dave steve?

YIKES!  Hadn't noticed it yet   

But, yeah, probably   

[KSUTOMMY]

I think that by the time it is all said and done, we will look back at the running/slashing style of qb we used to have and say, "Yeah, but look what we have now!" I wasn't able to watch the OSU game, but some of those passes that I did see on the highlight video were incredible. For those of you who are less-than-impressed with Freeman, let me ask you this - What other true Sophomore QB would you take?

[PurpleReign]

It's cool man.  I agree about the penalties, but that is part of an offense's execution.  At times we did move the ball well on Texas, but drives stalled quite a bit.  I think ku was by far our worst offensive game if you take into account the penalties and lack of run game.  We couldn't stay on the field to give our D a rest, and ku moved the ball at will late in the game.

The O has been getting better, I just don't agree with your stat as a way to measure the O's performance.  Can't really grade the D since I didn't get to see the Ostate game.  But we gotta cover a &@#%ing kick.

[ksuno1stunner]

Remember Ell as a sophomore?

 

[Bullfn33]

Freeman has never been the biggest problem with our team when we lose.  If you think so, then name me a game we lost with him where he got good protection.  Every game he has struggled in has been a direct result of his protection breaking down early and him having trying to scramble and make a play with his arm on the run and then not feeling comfortable in the pocket the rest of the game.  It all starts with the line.  We lost the Kansas game because the protection broke down, pretty much after Bedore went down, and then had zero running game to compliment.  The defense didn't help but I thought played just well enough to where we should have been able to score once more and win.  The Oklahoma State loss was the first game where Freeman had good protection, the offense moved the ball and scored points and we still lost.  For the first time, we lost a game because of defense and special teams, the areas we are suppose to excel in.  That's why this last game was so frustrating.

The bottom line is, give Freeman good protection and a decent running game and his talents will really show and the offense will take off.  I think we've seen that on several occasions these last two seasons. 

[dr00d]

Some dumbass said we should hold a funeral for the QB run game.  Just because we don't have a running QB doesn't mean it's dead.  I like JF and our offense right now.  Might want to remember that he's throwing to the people's champ though.  Jordy won't be here next year.

You the f-ing dumbass.  It's dead at KSU, you douche.  Snyder ain't walking through that door and neither is Mike or Ell. 

How many times do people need to point out the gradual change of Snyderball over the years....

Didn't Snyder start out with the spread and then later on, changed to option attack style?  I believe so.

For anyone to say the option is dead at KSU is a complete retard.  I'm pretty sure more than one person saw Freeman run the option a couple times verses Colorado.

I was excited.

[fatty fat fat]

Remember Ell as a sophomore?

 

ell 2 rickey lloyd vs isu!


 

[Bullfn33]

Remember Ell as a sophomore?

 

He was still being called Ell Overthrowberson in the Collegian's fourum.  Freeman is light years ahead of Roberson his Soph year.

[ksuno1stunner]

Remember Ell as a sophomore?

 

He was still being called Ell Overthrowberson in the Collegian's fourum.  Freeman is light years ahead of Roberson his Soph year.

What about his bounce passes?  Or was that Meier?  Probably both of them.

LOL @ "Overthrowberson"

[yosh]

The option QB is fine.  So is a drop back passer with some mobility.  I do wish JF had a bit more mobility so in times where things break down and the coverage is good he could tuck it and run (not like Ell or Bishop, or even Beasley, but just a little more mobility than he currently has), but given the QB we have and the physical skill set he was given, he's made good progress.  

Also, if our defense could stop anyone, we'd be f'ing undefeated with a drop back QB.  We aren't losing because JF can't run the spread option.   

Auburn

[The Manhatter]

Can't really grade the D since I didn't get to see the Ostate game.  But we gotta cover a fracking kick.

Garvin.  It was well covered but Garvin got stupid.  He lunged when he didn't need to.  The corner was bottled up and all Garvin had to do was stay on his feet and chase him into the bunch...instead he lunged thinking he was going to get the corner and when he left his feet it provided a cutback lane for Cox.  It was over at that point.

A senior shouldn't do that let alone any defensive player.