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Sports => Snyder's Electronic Cyber Space World => Topic started by: The Manhatter on September 04, 2007, 03:08:05 PM
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You just said Auburn's offense is "terrible" and while I don't think it's anything special let's go over ku and Auburn's personnel piece by piece...mmkay? Remember, ku replaced QB, 3 interior OL, top receiver, top RB.
QB:
AU - Cox is a 6th year senior and 3 year starter in the SEC.
ku - Reesing's a short and fat lil' dumplin' who we hear did well in Texas HS and did something in the CU game last year in relief.
Advantage: Auburn
RB:
push...none of the backs for either squad were go-to-backs last year. Lester is definitely most talented on either squad but KSU didn't face him. I will say Carl Stewart of Auburn is so much better than McAnderson it isn't even funny.
Advantage: Push..but Lester better than any TB for ku and Stewart>>>>McAnderson
WR:
AU - Rodriguez, Dunn, and Smith...3 experienced players though not terribly productive yet. Don't scare anyone.
ku - well, let's just say nobody is scared of them and the top 3 receivers had career numbers combined that barely equaled one Jordy.
Advantage: Push
TE:
LOL...Auburn is far surperior w/ Trott, McKenzie, and Bennett. Fine is a solid player but TE is a definite strength for Auburn.
OL:
OT - King Dunlap for Auburn is considered a top 5 OT in next spring's draft. Ziemba is a true freshman starter. Collins one of best in the Big 12 and Rodriquez is experienced.
Advantage: ku...but barely. Dunlap is the best of the 4.
OG: LOL...all new starters for both squads. Don't knock AU new guards when ku has new ones as well.
Advantage: Push
C: Bosley has started as many or more games in his career than Cantrell including last year's win over Florida.
Advantage: Push but slight edge may be to Auburn here
The funny thing is that you knock Auburn's offense...do you think Central Michigan and their 185lb starting LB would shut them down? Hey, just because ku scored 52 vs. a MAC team that obviously has issues (see Toledo '04 when ku scored 63 and then not much the rest of the year offensively) doesn't mean the offense is A-Okay. The truth will be answered when you step up to real competition.
Glad we had this talk.
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Why are we going over ku and Auburn's offense?
Bottom line is that Auburn's offense was abysmal just as I predicted and K-State should have hung in there and won the game. Auburn is not as good as they were last season and Cox is one of the worst QB's in the SEC. K-State's defense is solid overall and played the way I expected them to.
You can try to compare '04 ku to '07 ku all you want, but this program has improved over the course of 4 years and we've finally got some quality depth and some good talent to work with. Our o-line is a strength as you've pointed out, and our QB is great at running this offense. The new offensive coordinator is a huge upgrade for ku and has emphasized getting the ball in the hands of the play-makers.
Go ahead and write off ku all you want, but 6 different guys scored in that game last Saturday, proving that ku has more talent than you would like to admit. Also, the running game that you questioned all off-season looked very good with both backs (McAnderson and Sharp) running for over 100 yards. The secondary was impressive also, only allowing 175 yards from a QB who threw for over 3000 yards last season.
I've just got to sit back and laugh at the K-State fans who try to downplay that win over CMU. The same K-State fans who predicted it was going to be a close game and CMU had a chance to walk out with a 'W.' Come on 'hatter... admit that you were somewhat impressed with the final result. BTW, did you notice Dezmon Briscoe's first college reception was a TD catch? Where was Lamark?
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Why are we going over ku and Auburn's offense?
Bottom line is that Auburn's offense was abysmal just as I predicted and K-State should have hung in there and won the game. Auburn is not as good as they were last season and Cox is one of the worst QB's in the SEC. K-State's defense is solid overall and played the way I expected them to.
You can try to compare '04 ku to '07 ku all you want, but this program has improved over the course of 4 years and we've finally got some quality depth and some good talent to work with. Our o-line is a strength as you've pointed out, and our QB is great at running this offense. The new offensive coordinator is a huge upgrade for ku and has emphasized getting the ball in the hands of the play-makers.
Go ahead and write off ku all you want, but 6 different guys scored in that game last Saturday, proving that ku has more talent than you would like to admit. Also, the running game that you questioned all off-season looked very good with both backs (McAnderson and Sharp) running for over 100 yards. The secondary was impressive also, only allowing 175 yards from a QB who threw for over 3000 yards last season.
I've just got to sit back and laugh at the K-State fans who try to downplay that win over CMU. The same K-State fans who predicted it was going to be a close game and CMU had a chance to walk out with a 'W.' Come on 'hatter... admit that you were somewhat impressed with the final result. BTW, did you notice Dezmon Briscoe's first college reception was a TD catch? Where was Lamark?
Still better than Reesing.
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Why are we going over ku and Auburn's offense?
Bottom line is that Auburn's offense was abysmal just as I predicted and K-State should have hung in there and won the game. Auburn is not as good as they were last season and Cox is one of the worst QB's in the SEC. K-State's defense is solid overall and played the way I expected them to.
You can try to compare '04 ku to '07 ku all you want, but this program has improved over the course of 4 years and we've finally got some quality depth and some good talent to work with. Our o-line is a strength as you've pointed out, and our QB is great at running this offense. The new offensive coordinator is a huge upgrade for ku and has emphasized getting the ball in the hands of the play-makers.
Go ahead and write off ku all you want, but 6 different guys scored in that game last Saturday, proving that ku has more talent than you would like to admit. Also, the running game that you questioned all off-season looked very good with both backs (McAnderson and Sharp) running for over 100 yards. The secondary was impressive also, only allowing 175 yards from a QB who threw for over 3000 yards last season.
I've just got to sit back and laugh at the K-State fans who try to downplay that win over CMU. The same K-State fans who predicted it was going to be a close game and CMU had a chance to walk out with a 'W.' Come on 'hatter... admit that you were somewhat impressed with the final result. BTW, did you notice Dezmon Briscoe's first college reception was a TD catch? Where was Lamark?
Hahaha :lol:
You talking football. That is so rich.
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Maybe so, but the 20-29 completions for 261 yards and 4 TD's will be good enough for right now.
(http://media.lawrence.com/img/photos/2007/09/01/ku_reesing_pass_t800.jpg)
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Why are we going over ku and Auburn's offense?
Bottom line is that Auburn's offense was abysmal just as I predicted and K-State should have hung in there and won the game. Auburn is not as good as they were last season and Cox is one of the worst QB's in the SEC. K-State's defense is solid overall and played the way I expected them to.
You can try to compare '04 ku to '07 ku all you want, but this program has improved over the course of 4 years and we've finally got some quality depth and some good talent to work with. Our o-line is a strength as you've pointed out, and our QB is great at running this offense. The new offensive coordinator is a huge upgrade for ku and has 1. emphasized getting the ball in the hands of the play-makers.
Go ahead and write off ku all you want, but 6 different guys scored in that game last Saturday, proving that ku has more talent than you would like to admit. Also, the running game that you questioned all off-season looked very good with both backs (2. McAnderson and Sharp) running for over 100 yards. The secondary was impressive also, only allowing 175 yards from a QB who threw for over 3000 yards last season.
I've just got to sit back and laugh at the K-State fans who try to downplay that win over CMU. The same K-State fans who predicted it was going to be a close game and CMU had a chance to walk out with a 'W.' Come on 'hatter... admit that you were somewhat impressed with the final result. BTW, did you notice Dezmon Briscoe's first college reception was a TD catch? Where was Lamark?
Try and follow...
1. What OC wouldn't emphasize that???
and
2. Still against a directional state school. I'd expect the same against Northwest Missouri State.
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1. Nick Quartaro: worst o-coordinator in Big 12 last season
2. Central Michigan went 10-4 and won a bowl in '06
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I'll just remind myself that the last time ku ventured into a place like Auburn, Glen Mason asked for a running clock in the 2nd half.
Auburn . . . they're no Central Michigan.
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Let's keep the ancient history lessons to a minimum.
Thanks in advance.
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It was just the first game. Last year: KSU wins 24-23 over freaking Illinois State last year, then pastes FAU 45-0 the next game. ku wins 49-18 over NW St., then the next week 21-19 over La-Monroe.
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BMW....
Auburn doesn't have a great offense. We knew this going in...congrats if you figured it out as well.
Now what I want to know is what will make ku's offense BETTER than Auburn's?
ku has had two good offenses in Mangino's 5 years. But this one has 3 new starters on the interior OL, a new QB, new, new, new. And please don't come again w/ the "you should be impressed by C. Michigan performance"....umm, no, I'm not. And I say Auburn prolly puts up 52 on C. Michigan. Auburn didn't have a great offense last year either but they put up 40-plus in their opener on Wazzou and I'm certain Wazzou had better personnel than C. Michigan.
Auburn isn't perfect but you and your boys want to be fluffed for beating up a MAC school. Get real.
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BMW . . . they have good Internet access down at the Executive Club?? Shouldn't you be getting back to your table to smoke some cigars and discuss top shelf brandy, and the Hurricane's impact on gulf oil??
Auburn . . . they're no Central Michigan.
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BMW....
Auburn doesn't have a great offense. We knew this going in...congrats if you figured it out as well.
Now what I want to know is what will make ku's offense BETTER than Auburn's?
ku has had two good offenses in Mangino's 5 years. But this one has 3 new starters on the interior OL, a new QB, new, new, new. And please don't come again w/ the "you should be impressed by C. Michigan performance"....umm, no, I'm not. And I say Auburn prolly puts up 52 on C. Michigan. Auburn didn't have a great offense last year either but they put up 40-plus in their opener on Wazzou and I'm certain Wazzou had better personnel than C. Michigan.
Auburn isn't perfect but you and your boys want to be fluffed for beating up a MAC school. Get real.
Auburn's offense is worse this year than it was last year. They showed no creativity or desire to throw it down field against K-State. It's an offense designed to minimize mistakes and let the defense go out and win the game. Georgia went into their house last year and drilled them 37-15. Arkansas killed them at home last year as well. There's no reason why K-State shouldn't have won last weekend. Keep pimping your moral victory though.
As for the new starters... that's a positive all around for ku. The o-line was great on Saturday and Reesing's numbers speak for themselves. Deny it all you want, 'Hatter. ku is an improved football team this year and we're not going to be an easy win in Manhattan.
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Team Pass Efficiency
2006:
Auburn (B.Cox starting) - #37, 136.76 rating
Kansas - #79 - 117.59 rating
2007:
Auburn (B.Cox starting) - #37, 135.43 rating
Kansas - #103, 104.34 rating
But one game against Central Michigan (who gave up 375 passing with 3 TDs to the Akron Zips in '06) and all that has been reversed.
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Auburn's offense is worse this year than it was last year. They showed no creativity or desire to throw it down field against K-State. It's an offense designed to minimize mistakes and let the defense go out and win the game. Georgia went into their house last year and drilled them 37-15. Arkansas killed them at home last year as well. There's no reason why K-State shouldn't have won last weekend. Keep pimping your moral victory though.
Yes, it is worse than last year's...so is ku's offense. You will figure that out soon.
Lollers at your FBIQ talking about Auburn not wanting to throw it down field...so instead of Cox limping badly off the field he's taken out in the Ambulance. Hey genius...there was just a wee bit of pressure on him. This is what football coaches do including the fat pig in Lawrence. Of all programs you have zero room to talk about throwing it downfield.
Then funniest thing is that Cox tried to roll out and throw long and got trucked by Reggie Walker. Tuberville got the message..."don't try it again".
LOL at pointing out Arkansas and Georgia...teams ku couldn't compete with.
Thanks.
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Say what?
1 Brian Brohm, Louisville QB SR 1 21 16 76.19 0 .00 375 17.86 4 19.05 289.0
2 Tim Tebow, Florida QB SO 1 17 13 76.47 0 .00 300 17.65 3 17.65 282.9
3 Sam Bradford, Oklahoma QB FR 1 23 21 91.30 0 .00 363 15.78 3 13.04 266.9
4 Colt Brennan, Hawaii QB SR 1 40 34 85.00 0 .00 416 10.40 6 15.00 221.9
5 Mike Teel, Rutgers QB JR 1 23 16 69.57 0 .00 328 14.26 2 8.70 218.1
6 T.J. Yates, North Carolina QB FR 1 18 13 72.22 1 5.56 218 12.11 3 16.67 217.8
7 Chris Nickson, Vanderbilt QB JR 1 26 19 73.08 0 .00 284 10.92 4 15.38 215.6
8 Kellen Lewis, Indiana QB SO 1 21 12 57.14 1 4.76 285 13.57 3 14.29 208.8
9 Brian Hoyer, Michigan St. QB JR 1 17 14 82.35 0 .00 201 11.82 1 5.88 201.1
10 Ben Olson, UCLA QB JR 1 29 16 55.17 0 .00 286 9.86 5 17.24 194.9
11 Todd Reesing, Kansas QB JR 1 29 20 68.97 0 .00 261 9.00 4 13.79 190.1
12 Rudy Carpenter, Arizona St. QB JR 1 20 14 70.00 0 .00 197 9.85 2 10.00 185.7
13 Todd Boeckman, Ohio St. QB SR 1 23 17 73.91 0 .00 225 9.78 2 8.70 184.8
14 Matthew Stafford, Georgia QB SO 1 24 18 75.00 0 .00 234 9.75 2 8.33 184.4
15 Tyler Donovan, Wisconsin QB SR 1 29 19 65.52 0 .00 284 9.79 3 10.34 181.9
http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2007&div=4&rpt=IA_playerpasseff&site=org (http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2007&div=4&rpt=IA_playerpasseff&site=org)
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A hardy LOL at BMW actually dissing a team for losing to Georgia and Arkansas.
Auburn . . . praying to one day be like Central Michigan.
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(http://media.lawrence.com/img/photos/2007/09/01/ku_reesing_pass_t800.jpg)
LOL, nice release. He better get that fixed by the time he plays D-1 opponents. Next week?? (Really doubt it)
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'Hatter... I'm seriously starting to think you're a parody poster.
Did you just claim that ku's offense would be worse this season? If that's not low FBIQ I don't know what is. You've got some serious denial issues when it comes to ku. This is the best ku team that Mangino has had in his 6 years here. The o-line is clearly not an issue at all judging from the way they looked on Saturday, and the offense is night and day from what it was under Nick Quartaro.
LOL @ the claim that ku couldn't compete with Georgia when Colorado went into Athens and almost won. Very similar to what K-State did against Auburn actually.
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Say BMW, put your money on the table, call up, order those Big 12 CCG tickets, and make non refundable airline reservations and hotel reservations to the CCG . . . oh wait, you may not have to fly, if you're working in Texas, you know pulling down that $300K plus a year, you could drive.
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You really can't compare MAC defenses (known for being bad) vs. a team like Kansas State's (top 15 defense).
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So how much money are you willing to lose this year on the ku/K-State game?
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BMW's all kool-aided up, it's hilarious.
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So how much money are you willing to lose this year on the ku/K-State game?
I'll put 50.
ku is an improved football team this year and we're not going to be an easy win in Manhattan.
Weren't you guaranteeing a victory 2 days ago?
We'll shake on the bet before dinner if you come.
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ku hasn't won a game on the level of at Auburn in the last 20 years. How can you talk smack about us not winning down there when you can't win at Toledo? We could have won that game and I'm pissed we didn't but LOL at ku fans acting like they have any reason to believe they'd have any chance of hell of coming out of there with a W. And lol at them acting like it's not a tough place to play when we all had to sit and listen how tough the glass bowl was last year.
The last time any team from the North won a game on the level of at Auburn on that kind of stage was when we beat Texas last year. The last time before that was when we beat OU in the big 12 title game in 03. Can't remember the last time before that but hell it was probably us that won that one too. All these NU and ku fans talking smack about us not winning there need to look in the mirror. Fat boy has never beaten a ranked team and Callahan I think has only done it once.
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Auburn's offense is worse this year than it was last year. They showed no creativity or desire to throw it down field against K-State. It's an offense designed to minimize mistakes and let the defense go out and win the game. Georgia went into their house last year and drilled them 37-15. Arkansas killed them at home last year as well. There's no reason why K-State shouldn't have won last weekend. Keep pimping your moral victory though.
As for the new starters... that's a positive all around for ku. The o-line was great on Saturday and Reesing's numbers speak for themselves. Deny it all you want, 'Hatter. ku is an improved football team this year and we're not going to be an easy win in Manhattan.
No reason? Maybe you can say that after the first three quarters but come on.......
Be honest, you think ku would have had a shot @ Auburn?
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You just said Auburn's offense is "terrible" and while I don't think it's anything special let's go over ku and Auburn's personnel piece by piece...mmkay? Remember, ku replaced QB, 3 interior OL, top receiver, top RB.
QB:
AU - Cox is a 6th year senior and 3 year starter in the SEC.
ku - Reesing's a short and fat lil' dumplin' who we hear did well in Texas HS and did something in the CU game last year in relief.
Advantage: Auburn
RB:
push...none of the backs for either squad were go-to-backs last year. Lester is definitely most talented on either squad but KSU didn't face him. I will say Carl Stewart of Auburn is so much better than McAnderson it isn't even funny.
Advantage: Push..but Lester better than any TB for ku and Stewart>>>>McAnderson
WR:
AU - Rodriguez, Dunn, and Smith...3 experienced players though not terribly productive yet. Don't scare anyone.
ku - well, let's just say nobody is scared of them and the top 3 receivers had career numbers combined that barely equaled one Jordy.
Advantage: Push
TE:
LOL...Auburn is far surperior w/ Trott, McKenzie, and Bennett. Fine is a solid player but TE is a definite strength for Auburn.
OL:
OT - King Dunlap for Auburn is considered a top 5 OT in next spring's draft. Ziemba is a true freshman starter. Collins one of best in the Big 12 and Rodriquez is experienced.
Advantage: ku...but barely. Dunlap is the best of the 4.
OG: LOL...all new starters for both squads. Don't knock AU new guards when ku has new ones as well.
Advantage: Push
C: Bosley has started as many or more games in his career than Cantrell including last year's win over Florida.
Advantage: Push but slight edge may be to Auburn here
The funny thing is that you knock Auburn's offense...do you think Central Michigan and their 185lb starting LB would shut them down? Hey, just because ku scored 52 vs. a MAC team that obviously has issues (see Toledo '04 when ku scored 63 and then not much the rest of the year offensively) doesn't mean the offense is A-Okay. The truth will be answered when you step up to real competition.
Glad we had this talk.
Are you telling me that ku's OL is just as inexperienced as Auburn's?
:billypopcorn:
ku has not seen a defense even close to half as fast as KSU's.
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ku hasn't won a game on the level of at Auburn in the last 20 years. How can you talk smack about us not winning down there when you can't win at Toledo? We could have won that game and I'm pissed we didn't but LOL at ku fans acting like they have any reason to believe they'd have any chance of hell of coming out of there with a W. And lol at them acting like it's not a tough place to play when we all had to sit and listen how tough the glass bowl was last year.
The last time any team from the North won a game on the level of at Auburn on that kind of stage was when we beat Texas last year. The last time before that was when we beat OU in the big 12 title game in 03. Can't remember the last time before that but hell it was probably us that won that one too. All these NU and ku fans talking smack about us not winning there need to look in the mirror. Fat boy has never beaten a ranked team and Callahan I think has only done it once.
Again... please keep the ancient history lessons to a minimum.
Appalachian State just won at Michigan and you're claiming ku couldn't have hung with Auburn. Great stuff.
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Are you telling me that ku's OL is just as inexperienced as Auburn's?
Not even close. Three guys with starting experience, one Juco transfer with Florida State offer, and a guy who's been in the program for four years. They looked great last weekend.
ku has not seen a defense even close to half as fast as KSU's.
We saw that same defense last season and won the game by 3 TD's.
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Beemer, hang they old stetson on that "win"... LOL at squaks just like cornholers basing the greatness of thier seasons on the "stiff competition they had in their first week! If that is your benchmark, this season WILL be fun!
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Are you telling me that ku's OL is just as inexperienced as Auburn's?
Not even close. Three guys with starting experience, one Juco transfer with Florida State offer, and a guy who's been in the program for four years. They looked great last weekend.
ku has not seen a defense even close to half as fast as KSU's.
We saw that same defense last season and won the game by 3 TD's.
You didn't see:
Baldwin
Watts (no big deal or anything)
half of Moore
Chandler (was actually good despite what phog.net thinks)
Williams (won't see him again but he was injured IIRC)
Echols (injured IIRC)
Patterson
Abana (who is making strides)
3-4 defense
There's something about this defense that's different. Everyone is stepping up. It's rare you see guys this fast play so physical. You know how Watts plays reckless and loose, just flying around and whaling at people? Every single player is doing that now. We destroyed Cox.
There's a reason why ESPN consider KSU a top 15 defense...this is a new year.
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BMW . . . I've picked KSU to 7-5 this year . . . but given that you're telling us it's all fixed over in Lawrence, why don't you cash in some of your thousands of stock options from your job and purchase those CCG tickets and a non-refundable trip package.
Auburn . . . hoping to one day be like Central Michigan.
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BTW BMW, Appie State would have punched ku in the freaking grill... I guess you missed that game. Next you will say that ku's offense is better than Michigan. :blahblah:
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ku is going to start out the season 4-0 and have a lot of confidence going into the K-State game. ku gets another bye week to rest and get healthy as well as prepare an extra week for K-State. The schedule is set up perfectly for ku to win this year in Manhattan.
K-State fans = concerned
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ku is going to start out the season 4-0 and have a lot of confidence going into the K-State game. ku gets another bye week to rest and get healthy as well as prepare an extra week for K-State. The schedule is set up perfectly for ku to win this year in Manhattan.
K-State fans = concerned
Why are we your superbowl?
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Another bye week prior to playing KSU . . . how come Mangino never does this for Missouri, afterall Missouri is ku's "real" rival.
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The ku game will be tough. We'll be coming off our rivalry game with Texas and going into ku's superbowl after they've had a week off.
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Agree Zacker . . . with our winning record over Texas, they'll be jacked to play us, and with Mangino once again taking a bye week prior to playing ku's "non rival" KSU, things don't look good.
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BMW's all kool-aided up, it's hilarious.
No crap.
Damn son it was one game.
Remember in '05 when KSU bitch slapped North Texas 54-7 while setting the school record for total yards (658) and we thought "holy crap we're going to kick ass this year" ?
Then we played what would be an 8-4 OU team the following week and got destroyed 43-21.
Reality set in and we finished the season 5-6.
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when was the last time ku played in front of 90K? And no I dont mean the cumulative attendence at memorial for the 06 season.
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We saw that same defense last season and won the game by 3 TD's.
Did he really just type that? Thats got to be a typo. He really can't be that stupid can he?
ku is going to start out the season 4-0 and have a lot of confidence going into the K-State game. ku gets another bye week to rest and get healthy as well as prepare an extra week for K-State. The schedule is set up perfectly for ku to win this year in Manhattan.
K-State fans = concerned
I hope ku comes in 4-0 against nobody. That would be ku to go 4-0 against that schedule, and think it means something. :loly:
ku is going to have a rude awakening come Big 12 season.
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when was the last time ku played in front of 90K? And no I dont mean the cumulative attendence at memorial for the 06 season.
classic! :lol:
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This is like deja vu.
K-State's defense was supposed to be so good last year after holding Louisville to 24 points. Then the purple nation was silenced with the 39-20 ass-kicking.
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This is like deja vu.
K-State's defense was supposed to be so good last year after holding Louisville to 24 points. Then the purple nation was silenced with the 39-20 ass-kicking.
Are you telling me that ku's OL is just as inexperienced as Auburn's?
Not even close. Three guys with starting experience, one Juco transfer with Florida State offer, and a guy who's been in the program for four years. They looked great last weekend.
ku has not seen a defense even close to half as fast as KSU's.
We saw that same defense last season and won the game by 3 TD's.
You didn't see:
Baldwin
Watts (no big deal or anything)
half of Moore
Chandler (was actually good despite what phog.net thinks)
Williams (won't see him again but he was injured IIRC)
Echols (injured IIRC)
Patterson
Abana (who is making strides)
3-4 defense
There's something about this defense that's different. Everyone is stepping up. It's rare you see guys this fast play so physical. You know how Watts plays reckless and loose, just flying around and whaling at people? Every single player is doing that now. We destroyed Cox.
There's a reason why ESPN consider KSU a top 15 defense...this is a new year.
Tibs > Raheem "Crunk" Morris
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This is like deja vu.
K-State's defense was supposed to be so good last year after holding Louisville to 24 points. Then the purple nation was silenced with the 39-20 ass-kicking.
We did give up 42 points to the team before ku, and Mizzou hung 30-40 on us too, so the 39 ku added, wasn't exactly shocking. What was kinda of shocking is that KSU gift wrapped 21 points to ku.
We were happy only giving up 24 to Lville, but at no time last year, can I say the defense flew to the ball or looked as tough as they did saturday night.
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This is like deja vu.
K-State's defense was supposed to be so good last year after holding Louisville to 24 points. Then the purple nation was silenced with the 39-20 ass-kicking.
Sincerely,
ku fans after pummeling D-1AA NW St. and then staying home for bowl season.
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(http://media.lawrence.com/img/photos/2007/09/01/ku_reesing_pass_t800.jpg)
Good lord. The football is about as big as Reesing is. Does he grunt when he throws it?
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(http://media.lawrence.com/img/photos/2007/09/01/ku_reesing_pass_t800.jpg)
Does he grunt when he throws it?
she thinks his grunt is impressive.
(http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2007/06/04/mariasharapova_wideweb__470x317,0.jpg)
[the very bone-able sharapova for those who dont know, big grunter...in a hot way though]
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(http://media.lawrence.com/img/photos/2007/09/01/ku_reesing_pass_t800.jpg)
BMW's skull is five inches thick. And Reesing's head is smaller than a football.
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First of all; we actually get to play against one another so all this silly posturing and what if's and pseudo-certainties that are being thrown out is ridiculous. We'll actually get to find out on the field.
Second; ku's offense (in this small sample size) certainly looks better than last year. Much better OC and a QB who knows how to deliver the ball to his wide receivers. Do I think ku has a better offense than AU, yes. Reesing is better than Cox; I don't care that he is a sixth year senior, he's awful.
Third; it seems like neither ku or KSU fans want to admit that the other team looked much more impressive than either expected. ku looks to have a legit pass defense and multiple weapons on offense. KSU looks to have a nice D and offensive potential that hasn't been tapped (why did you not run more? Auburn had a 40ish ranked defense against the run last year).
But this was just the first week, a lot can change. What we believe may not mean dog crap come November/December. But I understand this is a message board and it needs to thrive on this mindless banter.
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Nice post, Sandman.
I'll tell you why K-State didn't run more; they're offensive line isn't built for the run. They're a "bend but don't break" o-line that will give Freeman just enough time to throw his coveted dump passes. Once again, this year's game will come down to the battle up front. K-State's starting left tackle is some weak Juco transfer named Alesana Alesana (LOL) while ku's got an All Big 12 left tackle in 6'6 315 lb. Anthony Collins.
Advantage: ku
ku's offense is clicking on all cylinders with Reesing at QB and Warriner as o-coordinator, and the defense has improved as well. Take shots at Reesing's size all you want, but it doesn't change the fact that he went 20-29 with 261 yards and 4 TD's. It's pretty apparent why Bill Snyder wanted him at K-State.
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I congratulate ku. They pulled off an impressive upset & definitely proved that they would be a contender, perhaps even the favorite, in the MAC West.
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They'd still place two or three even in that division.
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I congratulate ku. They pulled off an impressive upset & definitely proved that they would be a contender, perhaps even the favorite, in the MAC West.
And that fags and gentlemen pretty much sums it up!
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Hey stunner I will bet you straight up shots for points, but i don;t(know) think you can keep up with me. I will buy the bottle of patron. We take the shots during the game. Bmw you can jump in on this also, but if you do I say us 3 split 2 bottles.
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Hey stunner I will bet you straight up shots for points, but i don;t(know) think you can keep up with me. I will buy the bottle of patron. We take the shots during the game. Bmw you can jump in on this also, but if you do I say us 3 split 2 bottles.
I'll be at the game, unless you mean we're taking the shots at the game. I doubt you can keep up to me.
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CMU is bad.
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ku is going to start out the season 4-0 and have a lot of confidence going into the K-State game. ku gets another bye week to rest and get healthy as well as prepare an extra week for K-State. The schedule is set up perfectly for ku to win this year in Manhattan.
You're right. It is.
What if ku doesn't get it done?
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Hey stunner I will bet you straight up shots for points, but i don;t(know) think you can keep up with me. I will buy the bottle of patron. We take the shots during the game. Bmw you can jump in on this also, but if you do I say us 3 split 2 bottles.
wait a minute....
did you say...patron?
i will destroy you. i just invited myself.
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What if ku doesn't get it done?
:alleyoop:
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If ku doesn't beat K-State in Manhattan I give you the right to "Corky" me.
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If ku doesn't beat K-State in Manhattan I give you the right to "Corky" me.
Being Corky is not a right, but part of being a ku fan.
Sorry, we cannot give you something you already have... corkster..
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Making comparisons between ku playing CMU's defense at home and KSU playing a bad-arse defense is ridiculous. Oh, Sandman - I think that you are on crack... ku's offense cannot be guaged as better, they might be close, but the competition just wasn't there. Oh, the jury is still out on A2
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Are you telling me that ku's OL is just as inexperienced as Auburn's?
Not even close. Three guys with starting experience, one Juco transfer with Florida State offer, and a guy who's been in the program for four years. They looked great last weekend.
ku has not seen a defense even close to half as fast as KSU's.
We saw that same defense last season and won the game by 3 TD's.
big time LOL on the Auburn not as "experienced". Maybe at one position, RT, and he's a tremendously talented kid.
LT - King Dunlap is 5th year senior and going into 3rd season as a starter
LG - Tyronne Green a REDSHIRT JUNIOR in Auburn's program...so this is his 4th year in the program and has played in 17 career games.
C - Jason Bosley is a JUNIOR and has started four games including vs. Florida last year.
RG - Leon Hart is a SENIOR has played in 36 games and started 2.
RT - Lee Ziemba is a TRUE FRESHMAN
And you're trying to tell me that Hartley, a junior transfer, is "more experienced" than the guards for Auburn? LOL...we're talking about guards who didn't go to a JUCO as they have been in the program for 4 years. They are inexperienced from a starting standpt but they have been in the program and played. Same for the center.
No, dumbass, ku is NOT more experienced. But both Auburn and ku lack much starting experience along the interior OL.
And the defense you saw last year was not responsible for 21 of your 39 points...remember that. LOL that you try to pin Webb's int return, Fat Wilder's return of a fumble inside the 5, or Como falling on the fumble in the endzone on the defense. LOL's right there.
Like we said...you won't run the ball at us like that but that was not the reason we lost...and then there is the passing game. Good luck w/ that vs. our back 7.
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If ku doesn't beat K-State in Manhattan I give you the right to "Corky" me.
As MJ said, that could happen at any time for any reason.
I'm talking more about how demoralizing it would be to everyone affiliated with ku knowing that you had the perfect storm of circumstances to allow for a win in Manhattan, and it still didn't happen.
Would anyone care?
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Are you telling me that ku's OL is just as inexperienced as Auburn's?
Not even close. Three guys with starting experience, one Juco transfer with Florida State offer, and a guy who's been in the program for four years. They looked great last weekend.
ku has not seen a defense even close to half as fast as KSU's.
We saw that same defense last season and won the game by 3 TD's.
big time LOL on the Auburn not as "experienced". Maybe at one position, RT, and he's a tremendously talented kid.
LT - King Dunlap is 5th year senior and going into 3rd season as a starter
LG - Tyronne Green a REDSHIRT JUNIOR in Auburn's program...so this is his 4th year in the program and has played in 17 career games.
C - Jason Bosley is a JUNIOR and has started four games including vs. Florida last year.
RG - Leon Hart is a SENIOR has played in 36 games and started 2.
RT - Lee Ziemba is a TRUE FRESHMAN
And you're trying to tell me that Hartley, a junior transfer, is "more experienced" than the guards for Auburn? LOL...we're talking about guards who didn't go to a JUCO as they have been in the program for 4 years. They are inexperienced from a starting standpt but they have been in the program and played. Same for the center.
No, dumbass, ku is NOT more experienced. But both Auburn and ku lack much starting experience along the interior OL.
And the defense you saw last year was not responsible for 21 of your 39 points...remember that. LOL that you try to pin Webb's int return, Fat Wilder's return of a fumble inside the 5, or Como falling on the fumble in the endzone on the defense. LOL's right there.
Like we said...you won't run the ball at us like that but that was not the reason we lost...and then there is the passing game. Good luck w/ that vs. our back 7.
So defensive TD's don't count. I'll keep that in mind. Thanks for the laughs.
It's obvious you're concerned about ku.
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Making comparisons between ku playing CMU's defense at home and KSU playing a bad-arse defense is ridiculous. Oh, Sandman - I think that you are on crack... ku's offense cannot be guaged as better, they might be close, but the competition just wasn't there. Oh, the jury is still out on A2
I don't think I have to be on crack to think ku's offense is better than AU's. Certainly just my opinion, but I attended the ku game and then watched the KSU/Auburn game later. It was obvious that ku has a better OC and QB than last year. Auburn looked just awful most of the night. Some of that had to do with KSU, some didn't. Cox is an awful QB. So yes, in an admittedly small sample size, I would have no problem saying ku's offense is better than Auburn's. Could be wrong.
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We saw that same defense last season and won the game by 3 TD's.
So defensive TD's don't count. I'll keep that in mind. Thanks for the laughs.
LOL...this thread is about ku's OFFENSE, not defense. And you said "well, same defense we saw last year to score blah blah blah"...right, and that offense put up 18 points...your defense got 21 of the 39, dumbass.
LOL at your concerned. I'm concerned about Auburn, Texas, Mizzou, Nebraska, etc....not ku. But we do like to make fun of this "we're amazing because we beat Central Michigan" jargon. Thanks you for visiting this board..it shows your interest and terror of KSU football.
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Auburn is a great, great team. Their offense isn't bad, our defense is just that good. WRITE ThIS DOWN MOTHER&@#%ERS, AUBURN WILL WIN THE SEC AND KSTATE WILL WIN THE BIG 12 NORTH (but only if Josh Freeman stops sucking so much donkey dick).
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Are you telling me that ku's OL is just as inexperienced as Auburn's?
Not even close. Three guys with starting experience, one Juco transfer with Florida State offer, and a guy who's been in the program for four years. They looked great last weekend.
ku has not seen a defense even close to half as fast as KSU's.
We saw that same defense last season and won the game by 3 TD's.
big time LOL on the Auburn not as "experienced". Maybe at one position, RT, and he's a tremendously talented kid.
LT - King Dunlap is 5th year senior and going into 3rd season as a starter
LG - Tyronne Green a REDSHIRT JUNIOR in Auburn's program...so this is his 4th year in the program and has played in 17 career games.
C - Jason Bosley is a JUNIOR and has started four games including vs. Florida last year.
RG - Leon Hart is a SENIOR has played in 36 games and started 2.
RT - Lee Ziemba is a TRUE FRESHMAN
And you're trying to tell me that Hartley, a junior transfer, is "more experienced" than the guards for Auburn? LOL...we're talking about guards who didn't go to a JUCO as they have been in the program for 4 years. They are inexperienced from a starting standpt but they have been in the program and played. Same for the center.
No, dumbass, ku is NOT more experienced. But both Auburn and ku lack much starting experience along the interior OL.
And the defense you saw last year was not responsible for 21 of your 39 points...remember that. LOL that you try to pin Webb's int return, Fat Wilder's return of a fumble inside the 5, or Como falling on the fumble in the endzone on the defense. LOL's right there.
Like we said...you won't run the ball at us like that but that was not the reason we lost...and then there is the passing game. Good luck w/ that vs. our back 7.
So defensive TD's don't count. I'll keep that in mind. Thanks for the laughs.
It's obvious you're concerned about ku.
Defensive TD's count...on the scoreboard, not against a defense's stats. Those 21 points can not be chalked up to KSU's defense last year. Our defense this year is bigger, stronger, and much faster than '06. And a teams offensive talent cannot be soundly judged by one outing against a non BCS team.
BMW :ustupid:
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Making comparisons between ku playing CMU's defense at home and KSU playing a bad-arse defense is ridiculous. Oh, Sandman - I think that you are on crack... ku's offense cannot be guaged as better, they might be close, but the competition just wasn't there. Oh, the jury is still out on A2
I don't think I have to be on crack to think ku's offense is better than AU's. Certainly just my opinion, but I attended the ku game and then watched the KSU/Auburn game later. It was obvious that ku has a better OC and QB than last year. Auburn looked just awful most of the night. Some of that had to do with KSU, some didn't. Cox is an awful QB. So yes, in an admittedly small sample size, I would have no problem saying ku's offense is better than Auburn's. Could be wrong.
CHEERS for admitting you could be wrong - Hatter, nice info on that OL of AU... lets not forget that JUCO is somewhere between D-1 and high school. I seem to remember Marc Dunn was the #1 rated prospect coming out of JUCO - I thought we were hooked up like a tow truck... HE SUCKED! A2 - JUCO transfer... I dont think too highly of him yet, but he was defending a top 5-10 draft pick.
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Are you telling me that ku's OL is just as inexperienced as Auburn's?
Not even close. Three guys with starting experience, one Juco transfer with Florida State offer, and a guy who's been in the program for four years. They looked great last weekend.
ku has not seen a defense even close to half as fast as KSU's.
We saw that same defense last season and won the game by 3 TD's.
big time LOL on the Auburn not as "experienced". Maybe at one position, RT, and he's a tremendously talented kid.
LT - King Dunlap is 5th year senior and going into 3rd season as a starter
LG - Tyronne Green a REDSHIRT JUNIOR in Auburn's program...so this is his 4th year in the program and has played in 17 career games.
C - Jason Bosley is a JUNIOR and has started four games including vs. Florida last year.
RG - Leon Hart is a SENIOR has played in 36 games and started 2.
RT - Lee Ziemba is a TRUE FRESHMAN
And you're trying to tell me that Hartley, a junior transfer, is "more experienced" than the guards for Auburn? LOL...we're talking about guards who didn't go to a JUCO as they have been in the program for 4 years. They are inexperienced from a starting standpt but they have been in the program and played. Same for the center.
No, dumbass, ku is NOT more experienced. But both Auburn and ku lack much starting experience along the interior OL.
And the defense you saw last year was not responsible for 21 of your 39 points...remember that. LOL that you try to pin Webb's int return, Fat Wilder's return of a fumble inside the 5, or Como falling on the fumble in the endzone on the defense. LOL's right there.
Like we said...you won't run the ball at us like that but that was not the reason we lost...and then there is the passing game. Good luck w/ that vs. our back 7.
So defensive TD's don't count. I'll keep that in mind. Thanks for the laughs.
It's obvious you're concerned about ku.
Defensive TD's count...on the scoreboard, not against a defense's stats. Those 21 points can not be chalked up to KSU's defense last year. Our defense this year is bigger, stronger, and much faster than '06. And a teams offensive talent cannot be soundly judged by one outing against a non BCS team.
BMW :ustupid:
Still pimping that defense after ku ran for over 200 yards and turned the ball over 3 times in the redzone?
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Still pimping that defense after ku ran for over 200 yards and turned the ball over 3 times in the redzone?
'06 does not = '07 and you will find that out soon enough. LOL that you discount the 110-plus starts lost in the interior OL. It didn't show against a team that lined up a 185lb LB and gave up a lot of points last year...but it will show when you step up in competition.
You're correct...our '06 Defense couldn't have possibly improved to '07. We're really not that good since we weren't tested by a Central Michigan caliber team.
Thanks for stopping by.
Oh, and one other thing..the fact that you think your offense is better despite the gutted interior OL AND having starting skill talent like Fields, Henry, Ingram, Reesing, and the great white sharp is mind boggling. LOLLERS on the house for that stuff.
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You are such a dumbass, Hatter.
The interior o-line has improved. I'm telling you... Bob Whitaker was a step quicker than a dead man, Travis Dambach was nothing special, and David Ochoa weighs 210 pounds at this point and time. Cantrell has starting experience and is physically bigger and stronger than Ochoa, Hartley was very highly recruited and had an offer to Florida State, and Mayes has been in the program for four years. Seriously... the o-line's not even an issue for ku.
K-State is the team that has problems on the o-line. Tell me that you'd take Alesana Alesana over any of ku's lineman. Please, I need a good laugh.
Keep "LOL'ing" at ku's starting talent. Go ahead and "LOL" away at a guy who had 261 yards passing and 4 TD's. ku's WR group is way more talented and deep than anything you got going there at K-State. Daniel Gonzalez couldn't even walk-on at ku.
Got damn you're in some serious denial!
:loly:
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Alesana did pretty good considering it was his first start at the D1 level vs. 87,000 fans and NFL stud-to-be Groves.
Just think of how good he will be when he gets comfortable. :ohno:
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Keep "LOL'ing" at ku's starting talent.
:lol:
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You are such a dumbass, Hatter.
The interior o-line has improved. I'm telling you... Bob Whitaker was a step quicker than a dead man, Travis Dambach was nothing special, and David Ochoa weighs 210 pounds at this point and time. Cantrell has starting experience and is physically bigger and stronger than Ochoa, Hartley was very highly recruited and had an offer to Florida State, and Mayes has been in the program for four years. Seriously... the o-line's not even an issue for ku.
K-State is the team that has problems on the o-line. Tell me that you'd take Alesana Alesana over any of ku's lineman. Please, I need a good laugh.
Keep "LOL'ing" at ku's starting talent. Go ahead and "LOL" away at a guy who had 261 yards passing and 4 TD's. ku's WR group is way more talented and deep than anything you got going there at K-State. Daniel Gonzalez couldn't even walk-on at ku.
Got damn you're in some serious denial!
:loly:
LOL...keep trying.
Whittaker was a 4 year starter because nobody, including players currently starting and contributing for ku, was good enough to displace him. Not sure what Ochoa's present weight has to do w/ his play the past three seasons as a starter. As for Dambach see info shared about Whittaker.
LOL that you try to say Cantrell is physically bigger than Ochoa...maybe present day. And big time LOL that you still throw out the "florida state" w/ Hartley. And? Florida State OL suckage for years now.
Why do you ask if I'd take Alesana over all of ku's OL? I would take him over several but not all. I do know one thing...I would take Stringer over Rodriquez in a heartbeat..when Groves was matched up on Stringer Saturday he never penetrated the line of scrimmage. I wouldn't take Cantrell over Bedore...it's LOL just to even ponder that one. And I wouldn't take whoever your RG is over Spexarth. Spexarth is about all grows up now...those days of him getting run right through on bullrushes appear to be distant memory. Aubie's 320lb Sims and 300lb Thompson(both better than anything ku's got) were trying to bullrush Spexarth and got nowhere.
LOL at ku's wide receivers...Henry has done nothing but look tall on the field. Fields has never kept a Big 12 DC up all night w/ worry. And Ingram blazed to a 4.8 40 at the combine in high school while weighing 170lbs. :loly:
LOL that we're in denial...yep, we sure are...Central Michigan is much better than we want to admit...or something like that.
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Hatters last post = owned. 4.8 in the 40? WOW! That's great for a lineman! Hatter, I thought you were talking smack. :lol: We have guys that could backpedal faster than that!!!! Make sure you pimp Ingram some more!
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You are such a dumbass, Hatter.
The interior o-line has improved. I'm telling you... Bob Whitaker was a step quicker than a dead man, Travis Dambach was nothing special, and David Ochoa weighs 210 pounds at this point and time. Cantrell has starting experience and is physically bigger and stronger than Ochoa, Hartley was very highly recruited and had an offer to Florida State, and Mayes has been in the program for four years. Seriously... the o-line's not even an issue for ku.
K-State is the team that has problems on the o-line. Tell me that you'd take Alesana Alesana over any of ku's lineman. Please, I need a good laugh.
Keep "LOL'ing" at ku's starting talent. Go ahead and "LOL" away at a guy who had 261 yards passing and 4 TD's. ku's WR group is way more talented and deep than anything you got going there at K-State. Daniel Gonzalez couldn't even walk-on at ku.
Got damn you're in some serious denial!
:loly:
LOL...keep trying.
Whittaker was a 4 year starter because nobody, including players currently starting and contributing for ku, was good enough to displace him. Not sure what Ochoa's present weight has to do w/ his play the past three seasons as a starter. As for Dambach see info shared about Whittaker.
LOL that you try to say Cantrell is physically bigger than Ochoa...maybe present day. And big time LOL that you still throw out the "florida state" w/ Hartley. And? Florida State OL suckage for years now.
Why do you ask if I'd take Alesana over all of ku's OL? I would take him over several but not all. I do know one thing...I would take Stringer over Rodriquez in a heartbeat..when Groves was matched up on Stringer Saturday he never penetrated the line of scrimmage. I wouldn't take Cantrell over Bedore...it's LOL just to even ponder that one. And I wouldn't take whoever your RG is over Spexarth. Spexarth is about all grows up now...those days of him getting run right through on bullrushes appear to be distant memory. Aubie's 320lb Sims and 300lb Thompson(both better than anything ku's got) were trying to bullrush Spexarth and got nowhere.
LOL at ku's wide receivers...Henry has done nothing but look tall on the field. Fields has never kept a Big 12 DC up all night w/ worry. And Ingram blazed to a 4.8 40 at the combine in high school while weighing 170lbs. :loly:
LOL that we're in denial...yep, we sure are...Central Michigan is much better than we want to admit...or something like that.
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Hatter... you are just a complete idiot when it comes to ku football.
You know absolutely nothing about ku. It's hilarious trying to see you field an argument out of thin air. Even 'stunner has admitted that ku's receivers are better than K-State's. Daniel Gonzalez? Give me a fracking break!!!
BTW, why are you even mentioning Tertavian Ingram? The guy is like the 6th WR on the depth chart. I have no idea where you come up with his 4.8 40-time either. Rivals lists his 40 time as a 4.4.
Furthermore, K-State's o-line sucks and it has sucked for years now. Your QB is lucky if he has enough time to throw a pass 10 yards down the field. You needed a trick play to score a TD for crying out loud! Your o-line was so bad that Prince threw out the entire running game and stuck with the coveted dump passes and trick plays. Leave it up to a dumbass like yourself to take Nick Stringer of all people over 3-year starter Cesar Rodriguez. Did you not see how easily ku dominated K-State on both sides of the ball last season?
ku's o-line completely dominated your front seven and the d-line helped force 6 Josh Freeman TO's. Those are the facts. Please... keep your delusions to a minimum next time you try to talk about a team you know absolutely nothing about. 39-20 ring a bell?
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You know absolutely nothing about ku. It's hilarious trying to see you field an argument out of thin air. Even 'stunner has admitted that ku's receivers are better than K-State's. Daniel Gonzalez? Give me a fracking break!!!
BTW, why are you even mentioning Tertavian Ingram? The guy is like the 6th WR on the depth chart. I have no idea where you come up with his 4.8 40-time either. Rivals lists his 40 time as a 4.4.
Furthermore, K-State's o-line sucks and it has sucked for years now. Your QB is lucky if he has enough time to throw a pass 10 yards down the field. You needed a trick play to score a TD for crying out loud! Your o-line was so bad that Prince threw out the entire running game and stuck with the coveted dump passes and trick plays. Leave it up to a dumbass like yourself to take Nick Stringer of all people over 3-year starter Cesar Rodriguez. Did you not see how easily ku dominated K-State on both sides of the ball last season?
ku's o-line completely dominated your front seven and the d-line helped force 6 Josh Freeman TO's. Those are the facts. Please... keep your delusions to a minimum next time you try to talk about a team you know absolutely nothing about. 39-20 ring a bell?
where to begin?
I could give a damn what Stunner says. I'll take Jordy and Murphy as a starting pair over any ku can put on the field. Gonzalez, while not that talented, is far bigger than Ingram and every bit as fast...which isn't saying much. But that discounts near future use of Pierce and Lamark. Don't even mention players like Briscoe...had ku been playing Auburn he would not have seen the field either.
LOL about Ingram on rivals profile "4.4"...or you could just check his scout profile and see that he clocked a 4.8 at a combine. It's there for you to see. His "4.4" is what he told rivals...not reality. We clear?
KSU's OL sucks? Because we faced Auburn's DL/front 7 and not mighty C. Michigan? That it? LOL..Auburn barely got any pressure until the final 5 minutes or so. Look, if you play Auburn and throw it 57 times w/ only 2 sacks then you have protected your QB...get it yet? Again, this is Auburn..not C. Michigan.
I really don't care if KSU's OL sucked two and three years ago. Last year it was not as bad as YOU would try to make some believe. Again, KSU produced 4.0 ypc rushing in Big 12 play and had MORE pass attempts per sacks than "mighty" Kansas. The OL has sucked primarily the past few years because...1) in '04 and '05 we had so many defections, transfers, etc. that suck older players (in '04) and very young players in '05 were forced to play. In '06 it was a completely new system and the line was still young. Now that line is growing up and some players are developing. LAST season was the first good OL ku's had since Mangino has been in Lawrence and why do you suppose it was finally good when many of the same players were stating? Ummm...experience and playing time together.
Be warned just like you were last year about your defense..when ku steps up in play that OL of yours will have a lot of issues that the Central Michigan's of the world cannot expose at this time.
LOL that you're knocking Stringer...he's a future NFL OL while Rodriguez is a bum...but a bum w/ experience.
As for ku vs. KSU '06....entire ku defense was at the line...no healthy receivers playing for KSU and still have a 100-plus rusher. It's not difficult to figure out.
congrats on 39-20...keep milking it for all it's worth as you have just a month left of talking.
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It's pretty apparent why Bill Snyder wanted him at K-State.
You are the only person on this board who is impressed by the talent evaluation skills that Bill Snyder displayed in his last 4 years. Do you even realize that our best upperclassmen either walked on or were forced to take a gray shirt?
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Even 'stunner has admitted that ku's receivers are better than K-State's.
:curse: :curse:
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Even 'stunner has admitted that ku's receivers are better than K-State's.
:curse: :curse:
:sleep:
I could give a damn what Stunner says.
:'( :'( :'(
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Honestly I said that just to seem not as biased.
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I could give a damn what Stunner says.
:'( :'( :'(
I know man. I feel 4 U. I think hatter once said that about me, didn't recover for about a month.
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Hatters last post = owned. 4.8 in the 40? WOW! That's great for a lineman! Hatter, I thought you were talking smack. :lol: We have guys that could backpedal faster than that!!!! Make sure you pimp Ingram some more!
Dear BMW,
That game happened almost a year ago, believe it or not. It's a different season, so let the last year crap stop, and as hard as it is, try to wait a few more weeks to make your judgments. That would go for Manhatter too for ku, but one of the only reasons he says that crap about ku is because you are ALWAYS OVER HERE "pimping" your team.
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I could give a damn what Stunner says.
:'( :'( :'(
I know man. I feel 4 U. I think hatter once said that about me, didn't recover for about a month.
I'm crushed right now. Sorry about this:
Even 'stunner has admitted that ku's receivers are better than K-State's.
:curse: :curse:
Was a little frustrated.
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I could give a damn what Stunner says.
:'( :'( :'(
I know man. I feel 4 U. I think hatter once said that about me, didn't recover for about a month.
me = :frown:
I read stunner's take before posting that...it was obvious he was being nice and kissing a little ass. You could tell he wanted to say something about OL but didn't want to argue so he just handed it to ku. LOL, the ONLY position where ku is definitively better along the OL is LT. Other than that I would take our center, RT, probably RG, and the LG is up in the air though I'm not big on Unruh.
About the only argument BMW can make is...."your OL was no good the past few years", "you could not run against Auburn" (LOL), and "Hartley was offered by Florida State". I guess that means the other 4 starting OL are suck since Mayes was a walk-on, Rodriguez and Collins = suck offers, and Cantrell is just...well, Cantrell. Not that I would use "Stringer was offered by OU and had one to LSU if he would have visited on their final weekend after they had an OT decommmit" or "Alesana was offered by Texas A&M" or "Unruh offered by Nebraska and Colorado". But...I doesn't. Good stuff.
The wide receiver debate is hilarious...there are zero vertical threats for ku. Jordy and Deon start..there are two vertical threats right there. Briscoe is awesome because...well because BMW wants him to be and he caught a TD pass vs. C. Michigan. Of course Briscoe would not have seen the field, like Lamark and Ernie, had ku played at Auburn in week one. Then again ku would have dominated Auburn so he probably would have been on the field.
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You've got about all of the actual responses I can handle. I'm sick of your non-wavering bias, Hatter.
You have never once given ku credit for anything. Not even when ku smoked your team by 3 TD's last year. I've never seen a person so unwilling to admit he was wrong. All I can say is that you're about to find out what I've been preaching for the last few days in about a month.
ku's WR's are very good this year and we've got a QB that can get them the ball. I laugh at your notion that there are zero vertical threats when ku had 6 different guys score TD's, and Marcus Henry and Aqib Talib went for 50 yard bombs down field. Like I've said, you know nothing about ku. It's clear you didn't watch the game vs. CMU and it's clear you were more than surprised by the final score.
ku's o-line is improved as well the defense. You can doubt that until you see it for yourself. I'm basically done trying to make valid arguments with someone who thinks K-State's o-line is better than ku's. You can't even admit weakness when it's apparent to everyone else in the Big 12 that K-State's o-line has sucked for years now. Auburn didn't get as many sacks because the plays were designed to get the ball out of Freeman's hands as quickly as possible. That's the bottom line. You can deny it until you're blue in the face.
Your team has lost its last 3 games and your QB hasn't thrown a TD since the Texas game of last season. That's embarassing to say the least and I'm sure you'll have a justification for it in a matter of minutes. All I know is that the same defense and the same team minus Yamon Figurs and a couple senior LB's went to ku last year and got stomped. The battle up front was won by ku on both sides of the ball and it won't be any different this season.
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I'm starting to think that BMW is the one who started the "Winbush vs. Sproles" thread. Delusions of grandeur seem to be a pattern of behavior of limp-wristed :kugayfight: neighbors to the east.
To summarize.....
"Winbush would destroy Sproles" + "CMU is all world" = "ku football is the best thing since sliced bread, and refusal to accept this fact is futile." :chirp:
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You have never once given ku credit for anything. Not even when ku smoked your team by 3 TD's last year. I've never seen a person so unwilling to admit he was wrong. All I can say is that you're about to find out what I've been preaching for the last few days in about a month.
ku's WR's are very good this year and we've got a QB that can get them the ball. I laugh at your notion that there are zero vertical threats when ku had 6 different guys score TD's, and Marcus Henry and Aqib Talib went for 50 yard bombs down field. Like I've said, you know nothing about ku. It's clear you didn't watch the game vs. CMU and it's clear you were more than surprised by the final score.
ku's o-line is improved as well the defense. You can doubt that until you see it for yourself. I'm basically done trying to make valid arguments with someone who thinks K-State's o-line is better than ku's. You can't even admit weakness when it's apparent to everyone else in the Big 12 that K-State's o-line has sucked for years now. Auburn didn't get as many sacks because the plays were designed to get the ball out of Freeman's hands as quickly as possible. That's the bottom line. You can deny it until you're blue in the face.
Your team has lost its last 3 games and your QB hasn't thrown a TD since the Texas game of last season. That's embarassing to say the least and I'm sure you'll have a justification for it in a matter of minutes. All I know is that the same defense and the same team minus Yamon Figurs and a couple senior LB's went to ku last year and got stomped. The battle up front was won by ku on both sides of the ball and it won't be any different this season.
1) I have given plenty of credit to ku over the past few years. Two years ago I thought your defense was very good and said as much. Last year your offense was good and said as much. But this is a new year and you lost 110-plus career starts in the middle of your OL. You don't seem to get it and no blowout of Central Michigan will indicate anything. Central Michigan gave up a lot of points LAST year and lost some key personnel off that team.
2) No, you don't have vertical threats. Central Michigan does not prove you have vertical threats. Jermaine Moreira hit on some long passes vs. the lesser teams but no KSU fan would say he was a "vertical" threat. Going into this season Henry, Fields, and Herford combined for the longest pass play of 31 yards....and playing longer or being more experienced doesn't add anything to that. You're either a vertical threat or you're not and they are not.
3) LOL again at your huffing and puffing about OL. Don't use the excuse about there being plenty of short passes...Freeman also held it a number of times and went through progressions. Now you can choose to believe what you want or you can watch all of the plays and judge for yourself. Only the dumbass fans believe KSU's offensive line performed poorly against Auburn. Even Ron Prince said the OL played well. Again, that front 7 we faced is BETTER than anything in the Big 12. You're the only one in denial...Spexarth was handling bullrushes by their DT's. Bedore looked very good. Stringer held his own any time Groves lined up over him. The OL isn't perfect but it has improved a LOT. Keep believing this is '04, '05, and even '06...that is what you choose to believe but then again you are one who uses beliefs and fairy tales rather than statistics, facts, and video evidence. Last year Florida scored 17 and LSU scored 3 on that front 7...get it yet?
4) I really don't care if Freeman has not thrown a TD pass in a few games or we lost a few games....two of those games were vs. very formidable opponents away from home and the 3rd we played a team in their super bowl w/ a mash unit.
LOL at you slipping Figurs in there...he sucked according to you until he was no longer in the program. Good stuff.
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The fact that BMW and Co. are basing their team's "superior talent" on one game against a MAC team, any MAC team, is assinine.
And the whole "same defense as '06" is a ginormous stinking bag of LOFL's.
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The main reason why ku's receivers didn't have many long TD's last year was because our QB's didn't get them the ball. Adam Barmann had one good game vs. Nebraska, and Kerry Meier was battling a shoulder injury all year. Another factor is that the offense under Quartaro focused on way too many WR screens and short pass plays. The new offense is opening up the playbook and allowing the athletes to make plays.
K-State's o-line has improved, but there's still a glaring weakness at left tackle. I watched 2nd half of the game and Auburn's defense was consistently able to get pressure on Freeman. I'm not saying K-State isn't a good team, but they do have weaknesses just like everyone other than the USC's of the world.
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You've got about all of the actual responses I can handle. I'm sick of your non-wavering bias, Hatter.
You have never once given ku credit for anything. Not even when ku smoked your team by 3 TD's last year. I've never seen a person so unwilling to admit he was wrong. All I can say is that you're about to find out what I've been preaching for the last few days in about a month.
ku's WR's are very good this year and we've got a QB that can get them the ball. I laugh at your notion that there are zero vertical threats when ku had 6 different guys score TD's, and Marcus Henry and Aqib Talib went for 50 yard bombs down field. Like I've said, you know nothing about ku. It's clear you didn't watch the game vs. CMU and it's clear you were more than surprised by the final score.
ku's o-line is improved as well the defense. You can doubt that until you see it for yourself. I'm basically done trying to make valid arguments with someone who thinks K-State's o-line is better than ku's. You can't even admit weakness when it's apparent to everyone else in the Big 12 that K-State's o-line has sucked for years now. Auburn didn't get as many sacks because the plays were designed to get the ball out of Freeman's hands as quickly as possible. That's the bottom line. You can deny it until you're blue in the face.
Your team has lost its last 3 games and your QB hasn't thrown a TD since the Texas game of last season. That's embarassing to say the least and I'm sure you'll have a justification for it in a matter of minutes. All I know is that the same defense and the same team minus Yamon Figurs and a couple senior LB's went to ku last year and got stomped. The battle up front was won by ku on both sides of the ball and it won't be any different this season.
Was ku even on TV?
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Look, it is silly to predict a win in Manhattan, i mean the fb series and bball series almost mirror themselves, but for opposite reason. we have destroyed you guys in bball, and lately(1990's on) you have destroyed us in fb. now in both sports ksu has more bball talent than usual and ku has more fb talent than usual. this will still result in ku wins in bball and a close by ksu win in fb. so why dont we all just shut up, stop arguing about crap we cant really predict and all meet at one bar and do shots for points? it is so much more fun that way.
PS: save this post, this is the real coolhawks, in reality i am a very rational guy. :dancin:
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PS: save this post, this is the real coolhawks, in reality i am a very rational guy. :dancin:
:curse: :curse: :curse:
I don't trust.
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fatty you are seeing the real me because i am talking about ku fb, and i care about ku fb about 1% as much as i care about ku bball. if we talk bball, all i am going to do is try to get funny responses out of people and irritate people and see how far it goes, because i know in the end ku will win both games. but talking about fb, i could care less as long as ku is competitive and i can get wasted before during and after the games.
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Look, it is silly to predict a win in Manhattan, i mean the fb series and bball series almost mirror themselves, but for opposite reason. we have destroyed you guys in bball, and lately(1990's on) you have destroyed us in fb. now in both sports ksu has more bball talent than usual and ku has more fb talent than usual. this will still result in ku wins in bball and a close by ksu win in fb. so why dont we all just shut up, stop arguing about crap we cant really predict and all meet at one bar and do shots for points? it is so much more fun that way.
PS: save this post, this is the real coolhawks, in reality i am a very rational guy. :dancin:
he's cracking.
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bullcrap, i just dont feel it necessary to argue for a team i dont truly give a crap about. kansas football has always been to me what ksu basketball has been to you guys. lucky for me we have dominated you guys in bball wayyy more than you guys have us in fb(and considering we still own the overall record by a an embarassingly large margin, i feel better).
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bullcrap, i just dont feel it necessary to argue for a team i dont truly give a crap about. kansas football has always been to me what ksu basketball has been to you guys.
Wow. Son, we come from different places.
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bullcrap, i just dont feel it necessary to argue for a team i dont truly give a crap about. kansas football has always been to me what ksu basketball has been to you guys. lucky for me we have dominated you guys in bball wayyy more than you guys have us in fb(and considering we still own the overall record by a an embarassingly large margin, i feel better).
basketball :lol: :lol: :lol:
it's amazing how much better of a sport football is
the nation agrees
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K-State's o-line has improved, but there's still a glaring weakness at left tackle. I watched 2nd half of the game and Auburn's defense was consistently able to get pressure on Freeman.
I will bet my 401K that there isn't an OC in this country who would want to have A2's task on saturday. AU's stud DE will be a top 10 pick in the draft - guarenteed! The fact that he had his first sack at the end of a poorly officiated game doesn't say $HIT about A2! I think that he will be better... without question. There might be 1 or 2 OTs who could contain that horse.
Your comparison about our glaring weakness at LT = worthless. Thanks.
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ok stunner, and we led the overall series by almost 30 games in the sport the nations feels is better.
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ok stunner, and we led the overall series by almost 30 games in the sport the nations feels is better.
i wasn't born back then, who cares
seriously, football games vs. big time opponents is really an amazing experience
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this is the funny thing about ksu fans, they love to preach about ksu's bball history and how competitive they so-called were with ku and then like to ignore everything before 1990 with regards to ksu football and how dominant ku was in kicking their asses. which is it? past or present, because either way ku owns ksu overall.
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50-100 thousand people chanting singing and yelling is always> than 10-20 thousand.
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this is the funny thing about ksu fans, they love to preach about ksu's bball history
Could care less. Want our 4 final fours? You can have them.
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"50-100 thousand people chanting singing and yelling is always> than 10-20 thousand."
to you yes. but to me 16,000 doing the rock chalk and singing and chanting together like one big magical family in a field house so historic you would think that wilt is going to run out of the concourse-heaven to me.
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http://www.ksufans.com/forums/index.php?topic=15488.0
You guys are nuts. Nothing gets me more fired up than waking up on a Saturday morning to the 12:45 ku-Nebraska battle live from Allen Fieldhouse. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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chanandler you should get tix to a ksu game when texas is in town or nubb.
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"50-100 thousand people chanting singing and yelling is always> than 10-20 thousand."
to you yes. but to me 16,000 doing the rock chalk and singing and chanting together like one big magical family in a field house so historic you would think that wilt is going to run out of the concourse-heaven to me.
As a ku fan and Alum, I despise you MissChanandlerBong. I hate, repeat hate, ku basketball only fans.
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and you should get a tic for when mu is in town for bball
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oh shut up sandman, i never said i hated ku fb, i love it. i love all ku sports, but their is no denying that my heart bleeds truly for ku bball only. its like yeah that girl is smoking, but i will only f*ck my wife. no matter what(bad analogy, haha).
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and sandman my dad has given money to ku and had fb tickets for over 25 years, so pls dont accuse us of not supporting ku fb. i was sitting in the stands with him at age 8 when we were playing some 1aa school and it was raining and 38 degrees out and there were only 7 or 8 thousand people in the stands at the most. i have sat through the 2-10 football seasons.
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Getting a lil' uncomfortable here...... :-X
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bullcrap, i just dont feel it necessary to argue for a team i dont truly give a crap about. kansas football has always been to me what ksu basketball has been to you guys. lucky for me we have dominated you guys in bball wayyy more than you guys have us in fb(and considering we still own the overall record by a an embarassingly large margin, i feel better).
Quite a backtrack from this post.
"I just dont feel it necessary to argue for a team i dont truly give a crap about."
So I guess you don't hate it, but you state you don't give a crap about it. I got no problem with your dad, sounds like a decent dude. My statement was directed at you. It's apathetic fans like you that have allowed ku football to suffer. What is so hard about being a basketball and football fan? Lord. Does basketball season wear you out and you need time to recover? And if you don't give a crap about the ku football team, then stay off of football message boards.
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sandman i am sorry, i have misrepresented myself in this thread. when i said that i was comparing it to my feelings towards ku basketball. you could ask me how i feel about anything other than faith, family and friends to me and i would say i dont give a crap about them compared to ku basketball. and you call me apathetic but i have been to every game with my dad when we were 2 and 10 and i would be cheering the loudest of anyone in the stadium(mainly becuase i have insanely strong vocal chords, haha). i even one time made my buddies parents move away from us at a game(toledo game) when i was cheering so feverishly they thought i was crazy. pls dont sit here behind your keybord and try to judge my dedication to ku sports.
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coolhawks = religious?
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"My statement was directed at you. It's apathetic fans like you that have allowed ku football to suffer."
What an ignorant statement. It is the fact that ku is a basketball school, as much as nebraska is a football school. also i think al bohl and terry allen had a lot more to do with the crappy state of ku fb then a kid who likes ku basketball better. fans are the same with regards to every team, in every sport, you gotta give em something to cheer about( and i still cheered when they gave me nothing to cheer about).
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fatty dont go there, too personal and you wont get anything out of me, so dont waste your time.
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"My statement was directed at you. It's apathetic fans like you that have allowed ku football to suffer."
What an ignorant statement. It is the fact that ku is a basketball school, as much as nebraska is a football school. also i think al bohl and terry allen had a lot more to do with the crappy state of ku fb then a kid who likes ku basketball better. fans are the same with regards to every team, in every sport, you gotta give em something to cheer about( and i still cheered when they gave me nothing to cheer about).
No, I put you on the level with Terry Allen and Bob Fredrickson. You allowed Terry Allen to happen. You allowed Roy Williams to crush Al Bohl like a dove. You said you don't give a crap about ku football. I wasn't judging you, hell I'm in no position to judge anyone. I was responding to what you posted. I took it literally because there was no indication I shouldn't.
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wait, i was paid to make the decisions in the ku athletic dept? must have missed that.
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wait, i was paid to make the decisions in the ku athletic dept? must have missed that.
There was a little sarcasm (Al Bohl statement), but yes I do believe that fans such as yourself allowed football to be in the state it was in. You looked the other way when Fredrickson hired Allen over Pat Golden Ruehl and Dennis Franchione on the advice of Roy Williams. Even though everyone considered Allen the third choice at best. You didn't care cause Kansas Basketball was awesome!!!!!!!, who cares what happens on the football field. Roy and Fredrickson didn't want basketball to be threatened by football, and you all signed on for it. Heck, ku's '95 team averaged only 37,000 fans because the athletic department refused to promote the best team Kansas had since the 60's. And the basketball only fans contributed to it. What Lew and Mangino have done, if nothing else, is generate interest and buzz in the football program that was never there in previous years.
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i was 12 years old, i didnt know who those 4 people were! this is a really dumb argument, because most(virtually all) ku fans or sports fans in general dont know what is going on in the ath dept and have to make their judgements based on the performance and future of the teams. you are telling me that nebraska fans would for one second sacrifice their football program to get their bball team in the tourny? hell no! no fans of a college team will sacrifice something that is working( and working extremely well, i might add) to make another team within their school marginally better.
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i was 12 years old, i didnt know who those 4 people were! this is a really dumb argument, because most(virtually all) ku fans or sports fans in general dont know what is going on in the ath dept and have to make their judgements based on the performance and future of the teams. you are telling me that nebraska fans would for one second sacrifice their football program to get their bball team in the tourny? hell no! no fans of a college team will sacrifice something that is working( and working extremely well, i might add) to make another team within their school marginally better.
I was speaking about ku basketball only fans in generalities there. If you're that young then no, you don't understand. Fans should know what is going on in their athletic departments. Thats where the majority ofthe money given to the University is going. I would like to know how it's being spent, wouldn't you. And it was easy to make a judgement on the performance on the ku football team under Terry Allen.
And why do we have to sacrifice one sport for the other? Weren't both Ohio State and Florida in both the football and basketball national title games? No one asked them to choose. Tell Oklahoma or Texas they can only be good in one sport. KSU doesn't want to be successful in only one sport. Heck ku was the first school ever to have a team in the final four, a bowl game, and the college world series. So yes, both the football and basketball programs could be successful at ku. We just weren't interested in sustaining it under Fredrickson/Williams.
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I congratulate ku. They pulled off an impressive upset & definitely proved that they would be a contender, perhaps even the favorite, in the MAC West.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d0/GT_Cumberland_222_scoreboard.jpg)
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Sandman, the coralation between ku purposly not hiring a proven FB coach as to take attention and ultimately $$ from the BB program is an interesting scenario... I never thought of that. I wonder what our problem was when we got rid of Altman and hired Asbury - and watched good ol' Tom run our program into the ground... from which we have never recovered. Good observation.
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huis argument is still stupid because i am both a football and basketball fan. i just like ku basketball a whole lot more.
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huis argument is still stupid because i am both a football and basketball fan. i just like ku basketball a whole lot more.
BTW, who is the girl in you sig?
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huis argument is still stupid because i am both a football and basketball fan. i just like ku basketball a whole lot more.
You wouldn't care if ku football disappeared again like it did under Allen. As you said, you don't give a crap about ku football. Can't backtrack on that statement now. And the argument isn't stupid, it's factual. Just because you were a pre-teen when this all was going on doesn't mean it didn't happen. I do hope you'll be at Memorial on Saturday however. And I hope you continue to come after Late Nite. Because there are football games after basketball practice begins. Very important ones.