here BMW...sit down w/ me and let's go over ku and Auburn offenses...

[BMWJhawk]

If ku doesn't beat K-State in Manhattan I give you the right to "Corky" me.

[mjrod]

If ku doesn't beat K-State in Manhattan I give you the right to "Corky" me.

Being Corky is not a right, but part of being a ku fan.

Sorry, we cannot give you something you already have... corkster..

[KSUTOMMY]

Making comparisons between ku playing CMU's defense at home and KSU playing a bad-arse defense is ridiculous. Oh, Sandman - I think that you are on crack... ku's offense cannot be guaged as better, they might be close, but the competition just wasn't there. Oh, the jury is still out on A²

[The Manhatter]

Are you telling me that ku's OL is just as inexperienced as Auburn's?

Not even close.  Three guys with starting experience, one Juco transfer with Florida State offer, and a guy who's been in the program for four years.  They looked great last weekend.

ku has not seen a defense even close to half as fast as KSU's.

We saw that same defense last season and won the game by 3 TD's.

big time LOL on the Auburn not as "experienced".  Maybe at one position, RT, and he's a tremendously talented kid.

LT - King Dunlap is 5th year senior and going into 3rd season as a starter

LG - Tyronne Green a REDSHIRT JUNIOR in Auburn's program...so this is his 4th year in the program and has played in 17 career games.

C - Jason Bosley is a JUNIOR and has started four games including vs. Florida last year.

RG - Leon Hart is a SENIOR has played in 36 games and started 2.

RT - Lee Ziemba is a TRUE FRESHMAN


And you're trying to tell me that Hartley, a junior transfer, is "more experienced" than the guards for Auburn?  LOL...we're talking about guards who didn't go to a JUCO as they have been in the program for 4 years.  They are inexperienced from a starting standpt but they have been in the program and played.  Same for the center.

No, dumbass, ku is NOT more experienced.  But both Auburn and ku lack much starting experience along the interior OL.


And the defense you saw last year was not responsible for 21 of your 39 points...remember that.  LOL that you try to pin Webb's int return, Fat Wilder's return of a fumble inside the 5, or Como falling on the fumble in the endzone on the defense.  LOL's right there.

Like we said...you won't run the ball at us like that but that was not the reason we lost...and then there is the passing game.  Good luck w/ that vs. our back 7.

[Trim]

If ku doesn't beat K-State in Manhattan I give you the right to "Corky" me.

As MJ said, that could happen at any time for any reason.

I'm talking more about how demoralizing it would be to everyone affiliated with ku knowing that you had the perfect storm of circumstances to allow for a win in Manhattan, and it still didn't happen. 

Would anyone care? 

[BMWJhawk]

Are you telling me that ku's OL is just as inexperienced as Auburn's?

Not even close.  Three guys with starting experience, one Juco transfer with Florida State offer, and a guy who's been in the program for four years.  They looked great last weekend.

ku has not seen a defense even close to half as fast as KSU's.

We saw that same defense last season and won the game by 3 TD's.

big time LOL on the Auburn not as "experienced".  Maybe at one position, RT, and he's a tremendously talented kid.

LT - King Dunlap is 5th year senior and going into 3rd season as a starter

LG - Tyronne Green a REDSHIRT JUNIOR in Auburn's program...so this is his 4th year in the program and has played in 17 career games.

C - Jason Bosley is a JUNIOR and has started four games including vs. Florida last year.

RG - Leon Hart is a SENIOR has played in 36 games and started 2.

RT - Lee Ziemba is a TRUE FRESHMAN


And you're trying to tell me that Hartley, a junior transfer, is "more experienced" than the guards for Auburn?  LOL...we're talking about guards who didn't go to a JUCO as they have been in the program for 4 years.  They are inexperienced from a starting standpt but they have been in the program and played.  Same for the center.

No, dumbass, ku is NOT more experienced.  But both Auburn and ku lack much starting experience along the interior OL.


And the defense you saw last year was not responsible for 21 of your 39 points...remember that.  LOL that you try to pin Webb's int return, Fat Wilder's return of a fumble inside the 5, or Como falling on the fumble in the endzone on the defense.  LOL's right there.

Like we said...you won't run the ball at us like that but that was not the reason we lost...and then there is the passing game.  Good luck w/ that vs. our back 7.

So defensive TD's don't count.  I'll keep that in mind.  Thanks for the laughs.

It's obvious you're concerned about ku. 

[Sandman]

Making comparisons between ku playing CMU's defense at home and KSU playing a bad-arse defense is ridiculous. Oh, Sandman - I think that you are on crack... ku's offense cannot be guaged as better, they might be close, but the competition just wasn't there. Oh, the jury is still out on A²

I don't think I have to be on crack to think ku's offense is better than AU's.  Certainly just my opinion, but I attended the ku game and then watched the KSU/Auburn game later.  It was obvious that ku has a better OC and QB than last year.  Auburn looked just awful most of the night.  Some of that had to do with KSU, some didn't.  Cox is an awful QB.  So yes, in an admittedly small sample size, I would have no problem saying ku's offense is better than Auburn's.  Could be wrong.

[The Manhatter]

We saw that same defense last season and won the game by 3 TD's.

So defensive TD's don't count.  I'll keep that in mind.  Thanks for the laughs.

LOL...this thread is about ku's OFFENSE, not defense.  And you said "well, same defense we saw last year to score blah blah blah"...right, and that offense put up 18 points...your defense got 21 of the 39, dumbass.

LOL at your concerned.  I'm concerned about Auburn, Texas, Mizzou, Nebraska, etc....not ku.  But we do like to make fun of this "we're amazing because we beat Central Michigan" jargon.  Thanks you for visiting this board..it shows your interest and terror of KSU football.

[Cool Ethan]

Auburn is a great, great team. Their offense isn't bad, our defense is just that good. WRITE ThIS DOWN MOTHER&@#%ERS, AUBURN WILL WIN THE SEC AND KSTATE WILL WIN THE BIG 12 NORTH (but only if Josh Freeman stops sucking so much donkey dick).

[Pittcat]

Are you telling me that ku's OL is just as inexperienced as Auburn's?

Not even close.  Three guys with starting experience, one Juco transfer with Florida State offer, and a guy who's been in the program for four years.  They looked great last weekend.

ku has not seen a defense even close to half as fast as KSU's.

We saw that same defense last season and won the game by 3 TD's.

big time LOL on the Auburn not as "experienced".  Maybe at one position, RT, and he's a tremendously talented kid.

LT - King Dunlap is 5th year senior and going into 3rd season as a starter

LG - Tyronne Green a REDSHIRT JUNIOR in Auburn's program...so this is his 4th year in the program and has played in 17 career games.

C - Jason Bosley is a JUNIOR and has started four games including vs. Florida last year.

RG - Leon Hart is a SENIOR has played in 36 games and started 2.

RT - Lee Ziemba is a TRUE FRESHMAN


And you're trying to tell me that Hartley, a junior transfer, is "more experienced" than the guards for Auburn?  LOL...we're talking about guards who didn't go to a JUCO as they have been in the program for 4 years.  They are inexperienced from a starting standpt but they have been in the program and played.  Same for the center.

No, dumbass, ku is NOT more experienced.  But both Auburn and ku lack much starting experience along the interior OL.


And the defense you saw last year was not responsible for 21 of your 39 points...remember that.  LOL that you try to pin Webb's int return, Fat Wilder's return of a fumble inside the 5, or Como falling on the fumble in the endzone on the defense.  LOL's right there.

Like we said...you won't run the ball at us like that but that was not the reason we lost...and then there is the passing game.  Good luck w/ that vs. our back 7.

So defensive TD's don't count.  I'll keep that in mind.  Thanks for the laughs.

It's obvious you're concerned about ku. 

Defensive TD's count...on the scoreboard, not against a defense's stats.  Those 21 points can not be chalked up to KSU's defense last year.  Our defense this year is bigger, stronger, and much faster than '06.  And a teams offensive talent cannot be soundly judged by one outing against a non BCS team.



BMW  

[KSUTOMMY]

Making comparisons between ku playing CMU's defense at home and KSU playing a bad-arse defense is ridiculous. Oh, Sandman - I think that you are on crack... ku's offense cannot be guaged as better, they might be close, but the competition just wasn't there. Oh, the jury is still out on A²

I don't think I have to be on crack to think ku's offense is better than AU's.  Certainly just my opinion, but I attended the ku game and then watched the KSU/Auburn game later.  It was obvious that ku has a better OC and QB than last year.  Auburn looked just awful most of the night.  Some of that had to do with KSU, some didn't.  Cox is an awful QB.  So yes, in an admittedly small sample size, I would have no problem saying ku's offense is better than Auburn's.  Could be wrong.

CHEERS for admitting you could be wrong - Hatter, nice info on that OL of AU... lets not forget that JUCO is somewhere between D-1 and high school. I seem to remember Marc Dunn was the #1 rated prospect coming out of JUCO - I thought we were hooked up like a tow truck... HE SUCKED! A² - JUCO transfer... I dont think too highly of him yet, but he was defending a top 5-10 draft pick.

[BMWJhawk]

Are you telling me that ku's OL is just as inexperienced as Auburn's?

Not even close.  Three guys with starting experience, one Juco transfer with Florida State offer, and a guy who's been in the program for four years.  They looked great last weekend.

ku has not seen a defense even close to half as fast as KSU's.

We saw that same defense last season and won the game by 3 TD's.

big time LOL on the Auburn not as "experienced".  Maybe at one position, RT, and he's a tremendously talented kid.

LT - King Dunlap is 5th year senior and going into 3rd season as a starter

LG - Tyronne Green a REDSHIRT JUNIOR in Auburn's program...so this is his 4th year in the program and has played in 17 career games.

C - Jason Bosley is a JUNIOR and has started four games including vs. Florida last year.

RG - Leon Hart is a SENIOR has played in 36 games and started 2.

RT - Lee Ziemba is a TRUE FRESHMAN


And you're trying to tell me that Hartley, a junior transfer, is "more experienced" than the guards for Auburn?  LOL...we're talking about guards who didn't go to a JUCO as they have been in the program for 4 years.  They are inexperienced from a starting standpt but they have been in the program and played.  Same for the center.

No, dumbass, ku is NOT more experienced.  But both Auburn and ku lack much starting experience along the interior OL.


And the defense you saw last year was not responsible for 21 of your 39 points...remember that.  LOL that you try to pin Webb's int return, Fat Wilder's return of a fumble inside the 5, or Como falling on the fumble in the endzone on the defense.  LOL's right there.

Like we said...you won't run the ball at us like that but that was not the reason we lost...and then there is the passing game.  Good luck w/ that vs. our back 7.

So defensive TD's don't count.  I'll keep that in mind.  Thanks for the laughs.

It's obvious you're concerned about ku. 

Defensive TD's count...on the scoreboard, not against a defense's stats.  Those 21 points can not be chalked up to KSU's defense last year.  Our defense this year is bigger, stronger, and much faster than '06.  And a teams offensive talent cannot be soundly judged by one outing against a non BCS team.



BMW  

Still pimping that defense after ku ran for over 200 yards and turned the ball over 3 times in the redzone?

[The Manhatter]

Still pimping that defense after ku ran for over 200 yards and turned the ball over 3 times in the redzone?

'06 does not = '07 and you will find that out soon enough.  LOL that you discount the 110-plus starts lost in the interior OL.  It didn't show against a team that lined up a 185lb LB and gave up a lot of points last year...but it will show when you step up in competition.

You're correct...our '06 Defense couldn't have possibly improved to '07.  We're really not that good since we weren't tested by a Central Michigan caliber team.

Thanks for stopping by.

Oh, and one other thing..the fact that you think your offense is better despite the gutted interior OL AND having starting skill talent like Fields, Henry, Ingram, Reesing, and the great white sharp is mind boggling.  LOLLERS on the house for that stuff.

[BMWJhawk]

You are such a dumbass, Hatter.

The interior o-line has improved.  I'm telling you... Bob Whitaker was a step quicker than a dead man, Travis Dambach was nothing special, and David Ochoa weighs 210 pounds at this point and time.  Cantrell has starting experience and is physically bigger and stronger than Ochoa, Hartley was very highly recruited and had an offer to Florida State, and Mayes has been in the program for four years.  Seriously... the o-line's not even an issue for ku.

K-State is the team that has problems on the o-line.  Tell me that you'd take Alesana Alesana over any of ku's lineman.  Please, I need a good laugh.

Keep "LOL'ing" at ku's starting talent.  Go ahead and "LOL" away at a guy who had 261 yards passing and 4 TD's.  ku's WR group is way more talented and deep than anything you got going there at K-State.  Daniel Gonzalez couldn't even walk-on at ku. 

Got damn you're in some serious denial!

 

[pissclams]

Alesana did pretty good considering it was his first start at the D1 level vs. 87,000 fans and NFL stud-to-be Groves.
Just think of how good he will be when he gets comfortable.   

[fatty fat fat]

Keep "LOL'ing" at ku's starting talent.

 

[The Manhatter]

You are such a dumbass, Hatter.

The interior o-line has improved.  I'm telling you... Bob Whitaker was a step quicker than a dead man, Travis Dambach was nothing special, and David Ochoa weighs 210 pounds at this point and time.  Cantrell has starting experience and is physically bigger and stronger than Ochoa, Hartley was very highly recruited and had an offer to Florida State, and Mayes has been in the program for four years.  Seriously... the o-line's not even an issue for ku.

K-State is the team that has problems on the o-line.  Tell me that you'd take Alesana Alesana over any of ku's lineman.  Please, I need a good laugh.

Keep "LOL'ing" at ku's starting talent.  Go ahead and "LOL" away at a guy who had 261 yards passing and 4 TD's.  ku's WR group is way more talented and deep than anything you got going there at K-State.  Daniel Gonzalez couldn't even walk-on at ku. 

Got damn you're in some serious denial!

 

LOL...keep trying.

Whittaker was a 4 year starter because nobody, including players currently starting and contributing for ku, was good enough to displace him.  Not sure what Ochoa's present weight has to do w/ his play the past three seasons as a starter.  As for Dambach see info shared about Whittaker.  

LOL that you try to say Cantrell is physically bigger than Ochoa...maybe present day.  And big time LOL that you still throw out the "florida state" w/ Hartley.  And?  Florida State OL suckage for years now.

Why do you ask if I'd take Alesana over all of ku's OL?  I would take him over several but not all.  I do know one thing...I would take Stringer over Rodriquez in a heartbeat..when Groves was matched up on Stringer Saturday he never penetrated the line of scrimmage.  I wouldn't take Cantrell over Bedore...it's LOL just to even ponder that one.  And I wouldn't take whoever your RG is over Spexarth.  Spexarth is about all grows up now...those days of him getting run right through on bullrushes appear to be distant memory.  Aubie's 320lb Sims and 300lb Thompson(both better than anything ku's got) were trying to bullrush Spexarth and got nowhere.

LOL at ku's wide receivers...Henry has done nothing but look tall on the field.  Fields has never kept a Big 12 DC up all night w/ worry.  And Ingram blazed to a 4.8 40 at the combine in high school while weighing 170lbs.  

LOL that we're in denial...yep, we sure are...Central Michigan is much better than we want to admit...or something like that.

 

[KSUTOMMY]

Hatters last post = owned. 4.8 in the 40? WOW! That's great for a lineman! Hatter, I thought you were talking smack.  We have guys that could backpedal faster than that!!!! Make sure you pimp Ingram some more!

[BMWJhawk]

You are such a dumbass, Hatter.

The interior o-line has improved.  I'm telling you... Bob Whitaker was a step quicker than a dead man, Travis Dambach was nothing special, and David Ochoa weighs 210 pounds at this point and time.  Cantrell has starting experience and is physically bigger and stronger than Ochoa, Hartley was very highly recruited and had an offer to Florida State, and Mayes has been in the program for four years.  Seriously... the o-line's not even an issue for ku.

K-State is the team that has problems on the o-line.  Tell me that you'd take Alesana Alesana over any of ku's lineman.  Please, I need a good laugh.

Keep "LOL'ing" at ku's starting talent.  Go ahead and "LOL" away at a guy who had 261 yards passing and 4 TD's.  ku's WR group is way more talented and deep than anything you got going there at K-State.  Daniel Gonzalez couldn't even walk-on at ku. 

Got damn you're in some serious denial!

 

LOL...keep trying.

Whittaker was a 4 year starter because nobody, including players currently starting and contributing for ku, was good enough to displace him.  Not sure what Ochoa's present weight has to do w/ his play the past three seasons as a starter.  As for Dambach see info shared about Whittaker.  

LOL that you try to say Cantrell is physically bigger than Ochoa...maybe present day.  And big time LOL that you still throw out the "florida state" w/ Hartley.  And?  Florida State OL suckage for years now.

Why do you ask if I'd take Alesana over all of ku's OL?  I would take him over several but not all.  I do know one thing...I would take Stringer over Rodriquez in a heartbeat..when Groves was matched up on Stringer Saturday he never penetrated the line of scrimmage.  I wouldn't take Cantrell over Bedore...it's LOL just to even ponder that one.  And I wouldn't take whoever your RG is over Spexarth.  Spexarth is about all grows up now...those days of him getting run right through on bullrushes appear to be distant memory.  Aubie's 320lb Sims and 300lb Thompson(both better than anything ku's got) were trying to bullrush Spexarth and got nowhere.

LOL at ku's wide receivers...Henry has done nothing but look tall on the field.  Fields has never kept a Big 12 DC up all night w/ worry.  And Ingram blazed to a 4.8 40 at the combine in high school while weighing 170lbs.  

LOL that we're in denial...yep, we sure are...Central Michigan is much better than we want to admit...or something like that.

 

Hatter... you are just a complete idiot when it comes to ku football. 

You know absolutely nothing about ku.  It's hilarious trying to see you field an argument out of thin air.  Even 'stunner has admitted that ku's receivers are better than K-State's.  Daniel Gonzalez?  Give me a fracking break!!!

BTW, why are you even mentioning Tertavian Ingram?  The guy is like the 6th WR on the depth chart.  I have no idea where you come up with his 4.8 40-time either.  Rivals lists his 40 time as a 4.4.   

Furthermore, K-State's o-line sucks and it has sucked for years now.  Your QB is lucky if he has enough time to throw a pass 10 yards down the field.  You needed a trick play to score a TD for crying out loud!  Your o-line was so bad that Prince threw out the entire running game and stuck with the coveted dump passes and trick plays.  Leave it up to a dumbass like yourself to take Nick Stringer of all people over 3-year starter Cesar Rodriguez.  Did you not see how easily ku dominated K-State on both sides of the ball last season? 

ku's o-line completely dominated your front seven and the d-line helped force 6 Josh Freeman TO's.  Those are the facts.  Please... keep your delusions to a minimum next time you try to talk about a team you know absolutely nothing about.  39-20 ring a bell?

[The Manhatter]

You know absolutely nothing about ku.  It's hilarious trying to see you field an argument out of thin air.  Even 'stunner has admitted that ku's receivers are better than K-State's.  Daniel Gonzalez?  Give me a fracking break!!!

BTW, why are you even mentioning Tertavian Ingram?  The guy is like the 6th WR on the depth chart.  I have no idea where you come up with his 4.8 40-time either.  Rivals lists his 40 time as a 4.4.   

Furthermore, K-State's o-line sucks and it has sucked for years now.  Your QB is lucky if he has enough time to throw a pass 10 yards down the field.  You needed a trick play to score a TD for crying out loud!  Your o-line was so bad that Prince threw out the entire running game and stuck with the coveted dump passes and trick plays.  Leave it up to a dumbass like yourself to take Nick Stringer of all people over 3-year starter Cesar Rodriguez.  Did you not see how easily ku dominated K-State on both sides of the ball last season? 

ku's o-line completely dominated your front seven and the d-line helped force 6 Josh Freeman TO's.  Those are the facts.  Please... keep your delusions to a minimum next time you try to talk about a team you know absolutely nothing about.  39-20 ring a bell?

where to begin?

I could give a damn what Stunner says.  I'll take Jordy and Murphy as a starting pair over any ku can put on the field.  Gonzalez, while not that talented, is far bigger than Ingram and every bit as fast...which isn't saying much.  But that discounts near future use of Pierce and Lamark.  Don't even mention players like Briscoe...had ku been playing Auburn he would not have seen the field either.

LOL about Ingram on rivals profile "4.4"...or you could just check his scout profile and see that he clocked a 4.8 at a combine.  It's there for you to see.  His "4.4" is what he told rivals...not reality.  We clear?

KSU's OL sucks?  Because we faced Auburn's DL/front 7 and not mighty C. Michigan?  That it?  LOL..Auburn barely got any pressure until the final 5 minutes or so.  Look, if you play Auburn and throw it 57 times w/ only 2 sacks then you have protected your QB...get it yet?  Again, this is Auburn..not C. Michigan.

I really don't care if KSU's OL sucked two and three years ago.  Last year it was not as bad as YOU would try to make some believe.  Again, KSU produced 4.0 ypc rushing in Big 12 play and had MORE pass attempts per sacks than "mighty" Kansas.  The OL has sucked primarily the past few years because...1) in '04 and '05 we had so many defections, transfers, etc. that suck older players (in '04) and very young players in '05 were forced to play.  In '06 it was a completely new system and the line was still young.  Now that line is growing up and some players are developing.  LAST season was the first good OL ku's had since Mangino has been in Lawrence and why do you suppose it was finally good when many of the same players were stating?  Ummm...experience and playing time together.

Be warned just like you were last year about your defense..when ku steps up in play that OL of yours will have a lot of issues that the Central Michigan's of the world cannot expose at this time.

LOL that you're knocking Stringer...he's a future NFL OL while Rodriguez is a bum...but a bum w/ experience.

As for ku vs. KSU '06....entire ku defense was at the line...no healthy receivers playing for KSU and still have a 100-plus rusher.  It's not difficult to figure out.

congrats on 39-20...keep milking it for all it's worth as you have just a month left of talking.

[SuperSoulFighter]

  It's pretty apparent why Bill Snyder wanted him at K-State. 

You are the only person on this board who is impressed by the talent evaluation skills that Bill Snyder displayed in his last 4 years.  Do you even realize that our best upperclassmen either walked on or were forced to take a gray shirt?

[fatty fat fat]

Even 'stunner has admitted that ku's receivers are better than K-State's.

 

[ksuno1stunner]

Even 'stunner has admitted that ku's receivers are better than K-State's.

 

 

I could give a damn what Stunner says.

 

[ksuno1stunner]

Honestly I said that just to seem not as biased.

[fatty fat fat]

I could give a damn what Stunner says.

 

I know man. I feel 4 U. I think hatter once said that about me, didn't recover for about a month.

[kstate16]

Hatters last post = owned. 4.8 in the 40? WOW! That's great for a lineman! Hatter, I thought you were talking smack.  We have guys that could backpedal faster than that!!!! Make sure you pimp Ingram some more!

Dear BMW,

That game happened almost a year ago, believe it or not.  It's a different season, so let the last year crap stop, and as hard as it is, try to wait a few more weeks to make your judgments.  That would go for Manhatter too for ku, but one of the only reasons he says that crap about ku is because you are ALWAYS OVER HERE "pimping" your team.

[ksuno1stunner]

I could give a damn what Stunner says.

 

I know man. I feel 4 U. I think hatter once said that about me, didn't recover for about a month.

I'm crushed right now.  Sorry about this:

Even 'stunner has admitted that ku's receivers are better than K-State's.

 

Was a little frustrated.

[The Manhatter]

I could give a damn what Stunner says.

 

I know man. I feel 4 U. I think hatter once said that about me, didn't recover for about a month.

me =  

I read stunner's take before posting that...it was obvious he was being nice and kissing a little ass.  You could tell he wanted to say something about OL but didn't want to argue so he just handed it to ku.  LOL, the ONLY position where ku is definitively better along the OL is LT.  Other than that I would take our center, RT, probably RG, and the LG is up in the air though I'm not big on Unruh.

About the only argument BMW can make is...."your OL was no good the past few years", "you could not run against Auburn" (LOL), and "Hartley was offered by Florida State".  I guess that means the other 4 starting OL are suck since Mayes was a walk-on, Rodriguez and Collins = suck offers, and Cantrell is just...well, Cantrell.  Not that I would use "Stringer was offered by OU and had one to LSU if he would have visited on their final weekend after they had an OT decommmit" or "Alesana was offered by Texas A&M" or "Unruh offered by Nebraska and Colorado".  But...I doesn't.  Good stuff.

The wide receiver debate is hilarious...there are zero vertical threats for ku.  Jordy and Deon start..there are two vertical threats right there.  Briscoe is awesome because...well because BMW wants him to be and he caught a TD pass vs. C. Michigan.  Of course Briscoe would not have seen the field, like Lamark and Ernie, had ku played at Auburn in week one.  Then again ku would have dominated Auburn so he probably would have been on the field.

[BMWJhawk]

You've got about all of the actual responses I can handle.  I'm sick of your non-wavering bias, Hatter. 

You have never once given ku credit for anything.  Not even when ku smoked your team by 3 TD's last year.  I've never seen a person so unwilling to admit he was wrong.  All I can say is that you're about to find out what I've been preaching for the last few days in about a month.

ku's WR's are very good this year and we've got a QB that can get them the ball.  I laugh at your notion that there are zero vertical threats when ku had 6 different guys score TD's, and Marcus Henry and Aqib Talib went for 50 yard bombs down field.  Like I've said, you know nothing about ku.  It's clear you didn't watch the game vs. CMU and it's clear you were more than surprised by the final score.

ku's o-line is improved as well the defense.  You can doubt that until you see it for yourself.  I'm basically done trying to make valid arguments with someone who thinks K-State's o-line is better than ku's.  You can't even admit weakness when it's apparent to everyone else in the Big 12 that K-State's o-line has sucked for years now.  Auburn didn't get as many sacks because the plays were designed to get the ball out of Freeman's hands as quickly as possible.  That's the bottom line.  You can deny it until you're blue in the face.

Your team has lost its last 3 games and your QB hasn't thrown a TD since the Texas game of last season.  That's embarassing to say the least and I'm sure you'll have a justification for it in a matter of minutes.  All I know is that the same defense and the same team minus Yamon Figurs and a couple senior LB's went to ku last year and got stomped.  The battle up front was won by ku on both sides of the ball and it won't be any different this season. 

[ArchE_Cat]

I'm starting to think that BMW is the one who started the "Winbush vs. Sproles" thread. Delusions of grandeur seem to be a pattern of behavior of limp-wristed  neighbors to the east.

To summarize.....

"Winbush would destroy Sproles" + "CMU is all world" = "ku football is the best thing since sliced bread, and refusal to accept this fact is futile."