wow........wow. RP does not disappoint. I guess that must've rustled his britches to repeatedly bring it up. Nothing like a good old fashioned cheap shot or five.:baityes:
Am I missing something, or wasn't the only "negative" article printed the notebook a couple weeks ago focusing on BButler?
:love: J-Mart
:love: Prince
Dunno what side to choose. :frown:
Tremendous effort by Trim. If Suge hangs me out a window, I'll alert the Eagle that you could be my replacement should anything happen.
Like the rest of you, I'm stunned. ... flattered. ... amused. ... but mostly embarrassed for the man.
I've said my piece. (or is it peace? I never know in that case)
Did someone record that?
I'd like to hear those comments.
I think Jeff has been extremely fair, and maybe Prince is taking good natured shots at him, but at the same time you gotta wonder.
I think all this did was show that Jeff is doing his job.. and well.
That's beyond weird. Is this real?
LMAO either way.
Brian Butler? Brian Butler. Really.
I think Prince should just be pissed at Butler, not Martin. Sounds like a case of "Don't shoot the messenger".bingo.
Again, I thought he was moving on until he got to recruiting where he stated how they're now blessed with the genius advice of recruiting in-state, and he has Brian Butler and Jeffrey Martin to thank for that wisdom. He implored the crowd "... and if any of you know any great local recruits, you can e-mail me."
:love: J-Mart
:love: Prince
Dunno what side to choose. :frown:
OT but who will be at their job longer... Prince or J-Mart?
OT but who will be at their job longer... Prince or J-Mart?
Despite what the Powertards want to think, Prince probably won't be at K-State long. He'll either perform well enough to get an NFL job, or he'll suck it up and get fired. So the odds are about even.
OT but who will be at their job longer... Prince or J-Mart?
Despite what the Powertards want to think, Prince probably won't be at K-State long. He'll either perform well enough to get an NFL job, or he'll suck it up and get fired. So the odds are about even.
Prince will be here forever.
Tremendous effort by Trim. If Suge hangs me out a window, I'll alert the Eagle that you could be my replacement should anything happen.
Like the rest of you, I'm stunned. ... flattered. ... amused. ... but mostly embarrassed for the man.
I've said my piece. (or is it peace? I never know in that case)
Tremendous effort by Trim. If Suge hangs me out a window, I'll alert the Eagle that you could be my replacement should anything happen.
Like the rest of you, I'm stunned. ... flattered. ... amused. ... but mostly embarrassed for the man.
I've said my piece. (or is it peace? I never know in that case)
Jeff - you have to admit - your article quoting Butler was heavy on the quotes and light on the analysis/facts that either supported/refuted the opinions he laid out.
Whether some choose to accept it or not he gave some Brian Butler guy(who is that?) a public forum to do a hatchet job.
Stated how appreciative he is of Jeff's comments, and due to those, they're really gonna start focusing on recruiting Kansas. "It takes an east-coast media guy in a Boston Red Sox hat to help us know how to recruit."
I am really surprised by Prince's comments.
Do I understand why he felt this way? Yes. However, I don't see how any of these comments, even in a private setting, could be a good thing.
In regards to Martin's article, yes, Martin does have some accountability. If he is just going to write what Butler says, even though he knows it is laced with falsehoods, why not just let Butler write the article?
The story lacked balance. Martin should have either interviewed somebody from K-State and included those quotes or put in some statistics about K-State's (especially Princes) recruiting of Kansas.
While I agree Prince's beef is probably more with Butler than Martin, I think J Mart could have handled the article a lot better than he did.
The people who are calling for both sides to be told are often the same as the ones who think Brian Butler is evil. This is puzzling to me because these people presumably would not feel the need to call for both sides to be told regarding something like a Charles Manson interview. Please just admit that you don't desire a balanced story, only that nothing negative is said about Ron. This is clearly one of Ron's primary desires as well.
Thinking that articles about the recruitment of Kansas grads by Kansas universities should include facts about the numbers signed by KSU isn't wanting a balanced story?
Let me get this straight.
Prince popped off to a few hundred supporters at what was basically a private gathering.....and he's "the bad guy" for mentioning some things in THAT setting about a piece where someone "representing" some kids was given free reign and a pulpit to spout off a bunch of uncontested lies about Prince, his staff, and his program?
C'mon now. I like J-Mart too but there is no need to kiss his ass just because Prince voiced some displeasure at a private gathering. Jeff's a big boy and he can take care of himself. Whether some choose to accept it or not he gave some Brian Butler guy(who is that?) a public forum to do a hatchet job. Some might say he's getting his comeuppance.
Let me get this straight.
Prince popped off to a few hundred supporters at what was basically a private gathering.....and he's "the bad guy" for mentioning some things in THAT setting about a piece where someone "representing" some kids was given free reign and a pulpit to spout off a bunch of uncontested lies about Prince, his staff, and his program?
C'mon now. I like J-Mart too but there is no need to kiss his ass just because Prince voiced some displeasure at a private gathering. Jeff's a big boy and he can take care of himself. Whether some choose to accept it or not he gave some Brian Butler guy(who is that?) a public forum to do a hatchet job. Some might say he's getting his comeuppance.
That about sums it up. Why you guys hang on JM's nuts is bizzaro. I like and appreciate most of JM's stuff but the article (notebook if you like) in question was exactly as hatter says, a hatchet job. RP went to JM's backyard to confront him, and in public, the same forum JM used but JM left early. Sounds like he got what he deserved.
Did someone record that?
I'd like to hear those comments.
I think Jeff has been extremely fair, and maybe Prince is taking good natured shots at him, but at the same time you gotta wonder.
I think all this did was show that Jeff is doing his job.. and well.
Let me get this straight.
Prince popped off to a few hundred supporters at what was basically a private gathering.....and he's "the bad guy" for mentioning some things in THAT setting about a piece where someone "representing" some kids was given free reign and a pulpit to spout off a bunch of uncontested lies about Prince, his staff, and his program?
C'mon now. I like J-Mart too but there is no need to kiss his ass just because Prince voiced some displeasure at a private gathering. Jeff's a big boy and he can take care of himself. Whether some choose to accept it or not he gave some Brian Butler guy(who is that?) a public forum to do a hatchet job. Some might say he's getting his comeuppance.
That about sums it up. Why you guys hang on JM's nuts is bizzaro. I like and appreciate most of JM's stuff but the article (notebook if you like) in question was exactly as hatter says, a hatchet job. RP went to JM's backyard to confront him, and in public, the same forum JM used but JM left early. Sounds like he got what he deserved.
Thinking that articles about the recruitment of Kansas grads by Kansas universities should include facts about the numbers signed by KSU isn't wanting a balanced story?
Was it really an article about "the recruitment of Kansas grads by Kansas universities?" Or is that just what the overly defensive homers took it to be?
Once again, you freaking tards can't see through the idiocy of calling out Brian Butler, who's the handler of the best Kansas recruits since Wimbley for sure. (and Bryce and Arthur are pretty much without a doubt better than him. )
Stick to the "J-Mart-tard" shtick, bury your head in the sand, and pull it out in three years so you can watch Arthur chasing down Patterson in a Notre Dame/UF BCS Championship game.
Thinking that articles about the recruitment of Kansas grads by Kansas universities should include facts about the numbers signed by KSU isn't wanting a balanced story?
Was it really an article about "the recruitment of Kansas grads by Kansas universities?" Or is that just what the overly defensive homers took it to be?
That's the direction the interview went, isn't it?
Charles Manson figured that one out.
Let me get this straight.
Prince popped off to a few hundred supporters at what was basically a private gathering.....and he's "the bad guy" for mentioning some things in THAT setting about a piece where someone "representing" some kids was given free reign and a pulpit to spout off a bunch of uncontested lies about Prince, his staff, and his program?
C'mon now. I like J-Mart too but there is no need to kiss his ass just because Prince voiced some displeasure at a private gathering. Jeff's a big boy and he can take care of himself. Whether some choose to accept it or not he gave some Brian Butler guy(who is that?) a public forum to do a hatchet job. Some might say he's getting his comeuppance.
That about sums it up. Why you guys hang on JM's nuts is bizzaro. I like and appreciate most of JM's stuff but the article (notebook if you like) in question was exactly as hatter says, a hatchet job. RP went to JM's backyard to confront him, and in public, the same forum JM used but JM left early. Sounds like he got what he deserved.
OK, I was going to lay low, but...
1. No one hangs on anyone's nuts.
2. It was a NOTEBOOK. Brian Butler started talking and I quoted him. A hatchet job? Slow down. It was his opinion, nothing more and nothing less. Sure, I provided a forum for him. Why not? He's the gatekeeper to two of the most sought after kids in the country. Who wouldn't have run what he said?
3. As far as confronting me, that's comical. I was there while he was there for at least 45 minutes to an hour. He had plenty of chances to confront me. Didn't happen. I left to write my story, and I hear later he is, in essence, doing a stand-up routine about me. Fair enough, I guess.
Thinking that articles about the recruitment of Kansas grads by Kansas universities should include facts about the numbers signed by KSU isn't wanting a balanced story?
Was it really an article about "the recruitment of Kansas grads by Kansas universities?" Or is that just what the overly defensive homers took it to be?
That's the direction the interview went, isn't it?
The direction it went included some of Brian Butler's thoughts on that issue. And the story was a report on his thoughts, not on the issue in general. That's how I read it initially and how I would read it now.Charles Manson figured that one out.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/hyperbole (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/hyperbole)
Lot's of you guys REALLY like this Jeff Martin guy.
Lot's of you guys REALLY like this Jeff Martin guy.
For some of us, a thorough disdain for unabashed homerism is the primary factor at work here.
I know someone has probably answered this before but just exactly who the &^@@ is Brian Butler?
You're really all over the place. So now it was about the recruitment of Kansas kids. Glad we got that cleared up.
What value does Jeffrey provide over a voice recorder if all he does is regurgitate other's words without any analysis or additional relevant facts?
In most of his other work, Jeffery does an amazing job of providing facts from other sources, great analysis, etc.
Jeffrey's response is that it was just a notebook, and my reply is that while it's a subject he clearly felt worthy of an incendiary interview, it's strangely one he never followed up upon or included additional relevant facts/analysis at the time.
Who really cares about Prince's comments on Martin? Ronald's an f'ing moron for trying to call out Butler in public. What's even more retarded is those that think that Ronald "stuck it" to Martin with his comments/jokes.
Can you give some examples of other notebooks that were followed up on or included additional relevant facts/analysis? Or else tell me why this one should be treated differently.
Who really cares about Prince's comments on Martin? Ronald's an f'ing moron for trying to call out Butler in public. What's even more retarded is those that think that Ronald "stuck it" to Martin with his comments/jokes.
No, calling out Butler is more retarded. That's possibly the retarded recruiting-related action in the history of KSU football (probably second to not recruiting Barry Sanders).
Oh, well. Let's get mad at Jeff Martin instead! It's really Butler's fault!
Who really cares about Prince's comments on Martin? Ronald's an f'ing moron for trying to call out Butler in public. What's even more retarded is those that think that Ronald "stuck it" to Martin with his comments/jokes.
No, calling out Butler is more retarded. That's possibly the retarded recruiting-related action in the history of KSU football (probably second to not recruiting Barry Sanders).
Oh, well. Let's get mad at Jeff Martin instead! It's really Butler's fault!
I thought it was moronic moreso than retarded for Prince to call out Butler. But I guess we can agree to disagree.
Who really cares about Prince's comments on Martin? Ronald's an f'ing moron for trying to call out Butler in public. What's even more retarded is those that think that Ronald "stuck it" to Martin with his comments/jokes.
No, calling out Butler is more retarded. That's possibly the retarded recruiting-related action in the history of KSU football (probably second to not recruiting Barry Sanders).
Oh, well. Let's get mad at Jeff Martin instead! It's really Butler's fault!
I thought it was moronic moreso than retarded for Prince to call out Butler. But I guess we can agree to disagree.
You're just biased.
Did you guys just skip over what I said Prince wrote? I think it's obvious he meant for it to be a joke.
A lame one at that...
Butler is just trying to live the life he wished he had through the Brown brothers. I feel bad for them cause they are being used. I hope it all works out for them in the future and Butler doesn't drag them down with him.
Rusty - are your comments about "tards" directed at me? I don't even like RP. I think he's an arrogant geek, don't like the direction I see him taking the team or most of the comments and rhetoric he uses. So no, I'm not an apologist for him. I don't have a dog in the fight but I can easily see those that do from both camps. And frankly I see more JM apoligists than anything else. My opinion that JM took a cheap manner to take a cheap shot at RP is just that, and I think the facts bear that well.
Did you guys just skip over what I said Prince wrote? I think it's obvious he meant for it to be a joke.
A lame one at that...
Prince complained about the amount of Frank Martins hair. Said his wife thought Martin was the best looking coach at KSU. He then pointed out he was the best looking D-1 football coach in the state. He was quite funny this year. He even said comedy was not an option when you have to follow Huggins.
Frank Martin also thanked all the media members who have been writing that Bill Walker is over weight, out of shape, and has lost his game. He said Bill is pissed, so keep them coming. He was not quite as good as Huggins, but sure beat Wooly and Asbury.
I think you got a bad handle on who Prince thinks he is.Did you guys just skip over what I said Prince wrote? I think it's obvious he meant for it to be a joke.
A lame one at that...
And maybe Prince's and Buttlers's relationship is such that this was good nature humor. Price, call him what you want, is not stupid enough to take a jab at a guy like Buttler. It would be like him making a joke about Bill Snyder's daughters sex life.
QuoteFrank Martin also thanked all the media members who have been writing that Bill Walker is over weight, out of shape, and has lost his game. He said Bill is pissed, so keep them coming. He was not quite as good as Huggins, but sure beat Wooly and Asbury.
:dancin: :ksu: :ksu:
I think you got a bad handle on who Prince thinks he is.Did you guys just skip over what I said Prince wrote? I think it's obvious he meant for it to be a joke.
A lame one at that...
And maybe Prince's and Buttlers's relationship is such that this was good nature humor. Price, call him what you want, is not stupid enough to take a jab at a guy like Buttler. It would be like him making a joke about Bill Snyder's daughters sex life.
And maybe Prince's and Buttlers's relationship is such that this was good nature humor. Price, call him what you want, is not stupid enough to take a jab at a guy like Buttler. It would be like him making a joke about Bill Snyder's daughters sex life.
Lot's of you guys REALLY like this Jeff Martin guy.
For some of us, a thorough disdain for unabashed homerism is the primary factor at work here.
Fair enough. I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that he posts on here.
And maybe Prince's and Buttlers's relationship is such that this was good nature humor. Price, call him what you want, is not stupid enough to take a jab at a guy like Buttler. It would be like him making a joke about Bill Snyder's daughters sex life.
Oh yes he is.
I seriously doubt that RP was going to change his tactic of calling you out either way, you leaving is the only reason you didn't get it live and right in your face. You provided Butler his stage and allowed him to distort the truth while at it. That's fact.
You guys left out the most important part - $3 all you can drink beer!
Good lord.
I was there. There is NO CHANCE the stand-up routine happens with Jeff there. The introductory joke only worked knowing that Jeff wasn't there.
So Waks, How does this effect the silent commit?:poundon:
I was there. There is NO CHANCE the stand-up routine happens with Jeff there. The introductory joke only worked knowing that Jeff wasn't there.
Would you say that Prince seems to have some issues with Jeff, even if he tries to pass them off as a joke? Fatty and others would like to know.
And maybe Prince's and Buttlers's relationship is such that this was good nature humor.
QuoteAnd maybe Prince's and Buttlers's relationship is such that this was good nature humor.
Lol. Yep, that's it.
This was Prince's way of tapping out on the Brown's. He knows his staff has a snowball's chance in hell of landing them, so at least make a joke out of it.
And if you think Prince and Buttler(sic) have a great relationship you're smoking crack.
QuoteI was there. There is NO CHANCE the stand-up routine happens with Jeff there. The introductory joke only worked knowing that Jeff wasn't there.
Would you say that Prince seems to have some issues with Jeff, even if he tries to pass them off as a joke? Fatty and others would like to know.
YES.
Not too difficuly to form an opinion after reading one or basically every other public statement over the last year that Butler has made regarding Prince and his philosophy of recruiting Kansas kids.
How much more transparent do you need it?
QuoteI was there. There is NO CHANCE the stand-up routine happens with Jeff there. The introductory joke only worked knowing that Jeff wasn't there.
Would you say that Prince seems to have some issues with Jeff, even if he tries to pass them off as a joke? Fatty and others would like to know.
YES.
BFD. Martin did his job with the article (which we all loved), and Prince is simply doing his job. Neither is really wrong here.
The great thing about this, is the fact that there is some actual offseason entertainment value to this.
QuoteI was there. There is NO CHANCE the stand-up routine happens with Jeff there. The introductory joke only worked knowing that Jeff wasn't there.
Would you say that Prince seems to have some issues with Jeff, even if he tries to pass them off as a joke? Fatty and others would like to know.
YES.
BFD. Martin did his job with the article (which we all loved), and Prince is simply doing his job. Neither is really wrong here.
All of this because of Frank &*$@!ing Delarue. Christ.
All of this because of Frank &*$@!ing Delarue. Christ.
Thats on the team in the first place and, if as good as billed, will get a scholarship. But of course that was the plan all along.
We should kick Frank off the team. Just for fun.
So Waks, How does this effect the silent commit?Read Poopley's post in this thread. It will explain a lot.
..."It takes an east-coast media guy in a Boston Red Sox hat....
Ron Prince 2006 = Tony Pena 2003 ???
Discuss.
Prince vs J-Mart
Cage Match 2007
July 27th, 2007
Bramlage Coliseum-Manhattan, KS
8:30 pm
Update: They will not beat each other with those swimming noodles. ADTW pulled the funding for the cage.
Hey J Rake, we have the #1 recruit on campus. Maybe an interview?
Prince vs J-Mart
Cage Match 2007
July 27th, 2007
Bramlage Coliseum-Manhattan, KS
8:30 pm*
As for the criticism, it's all good. He's a funny man. I laugh at him a lot.
Jeffrey Martin 6/22/07
This football season is going to be so AWESOME!
This football season is going to be so AWESOME!
qft
OT but who will be at their job longer... Prince or J-Mart?
OT but who will be at their job longer... Prince or J-Mart?
Guess we know how this turned out...
OT but who will be at their job longer... Prince or J-Mart?
Guess we know how this turned out...
OT but who will be at their job longer... Prince or J-Mart?
Guess we know how this turned out...
congratulations jeffrey. how's the ksu men's bball reporting going?
OT but who will be at their job longer... Prince or J-Mart?
Guess we know how this turned out...
You know this was burning up in the back of Jeff's mind and he was just waiting for enough time to pass to drop this bomb. KABOOOOM!
OT but who will be at their job longer... Prince or J-Mart?
Guess we know how this turned out...
You know this was burning up in the back of Jeff's mind and he was just waiting for enough time to pass to drop this bomb. KABOOOOM!
Actually, I was talking about it today with Kat Kid and Trim.
OT but who will be at their job longer... Prince or J-Mart?
Guess we know how this turned out...
You know this was burning up in the back of Jeff's mind and he was just waiting for enough time to pass to drop this bomb. KABOOOOM!
Actually, I was talking about it today with Kat Kid and Trim.
And somewhere RP is laughing