J-Mart feels the wrath of Tha Row

[Leyton]

Wow.  This is truly bizarre.  This isn't a joke?

[ksudrew]

Tremendous effort by Trim. If Suge hangs me out a window, I'll alert the Eagle that you could be my replacement should anything happen.

Like the rest of you, I'm stunned. ... flattered. ... amused. ... but mostly embarrassed for the man.

I've said my piece. (or is it peace? I never know in that case)

Jeff - you have to admit - your article quoting Butler was heavy on the quotes and light on the analysis/facts that either supported/refuted the opinions he laid out.

[Poopley]

Levi, from what I have heard, the Brown brothers were not "hurt" by the recruiting of Delarue. Those feelings were attributed to them by another source *cough*, and no one bothered to ask the Browns or Delarue and his coach how they felt. I have also heard that the Browns are not naive about the motivation of ANYONE involved in their recruiting and have made that clear to the coaches with whom they speak.

You might want to ask around and get some other perspectives, b/c Butler's view of the world is not the only view, even if certain reporters portray it that way.

[Leyton]

Tremendous effort by Trim. If Suge hangs me out a window, I'll alert the Eagle that you could be my replacement should anything happen.

Like the rest of you, I'm stunned. ... flattered. ... amused. ... but mostly embarrassed for the man.

I've said my piece. (or is it peace? I never know in that case)

Jeff - you have to admit - your article quoting Butler was heavy on the quotes and light on the analysis/facts that either supported/refuted the opinions he laid out.

I'm not disagreeing with you, but it was basically billed as a Butler interview, wasn't it?  In that case, I don't see how you can say that J-Mart is shirking responsibility by reporting mainly Butler's words.  Definitely not his best work, but not horrendous or irresponsible either, IMO.

BTW, I think we should probably replace the Weiser's other bag of tricks board with the J-Mart board.

[BigXIIpowercat]

Too many here swing from J-Marts balls. How's the sweat down there, fellas?

[michigancat]

Whether some choose to accept it or not he gave some Brian Butler guy(who is that?) a public forum to do a hatchet job.

Wow, just wow.

No offense, Jeff, but who really cares if he calls you out?  That's just funny, silly, entertaining.

Brian Butler, man.  James Franklin, we hardly knew ye.

[chum1]

Ron Prince.  Amateur hour.  In every imaginable way. 

[PoetWarrior]

Stated how appreciative he is of Jeff's comments, and due to those, they're really gonna start focusing on recruiting Kansas.  "It takes an east-coast media guy in a Boston Red Sox hat to help us know how to recruit."

 

 

 

[leawoodcat]

I am really surprised by Prince's comments.

Do I understand why he felt this way? Yes. However, I don't see how any of these comments, even in a private setting, could be a good thing.

In regards to Martin's article, yes, Martin does have some accountability. If he is just going to write what Butler says, even though he knows it is laced with falsehoods, why not just let Butler write the article?

The story lacked balance. Martin should have either interviewed somebody from K-State and included those quotes or put in some statistics about K-State's (especially Princes) recruiting of Kansas.

While I agree Prince's beef is probably more with Butler than Martin, I think J Mart could have handled the article a lot better than he did. 

[Pett]

But I want to be friends with Brian Butler......what Prince said doesn't help us in any way with the Brown Brothers / Harper.

 


Positive: Prince loves reading J-Mart's articles.

[KSU4ME]

I am really surprised by Prince's comments.

Do I understand why he felt this way? Yes. However, I don't see how any of these comments, even in a private setting, could be a good thing.

In regards to Martin's article, yes, Martin does have some accountability. If he is just going to write what Butler says, even though he knows it is laced with falsehoods, why not just let Butler write the article?

The story lacked balance. Martin should have either interviewed somebody from K-State and included those quotes or put in some statistics about K-State's (especially Princes) recruiting of Kansas.

While I agree Prince's beef is probably more with Butler than Martin, I think J Mart could have handled the article a lot better than he did. 

In J-Mart's defense, he followed up the interview with a heavy fact based analysis explaining KSU's recruitment of Kansas kids.

Didn't he?

[catzacker]

Pretty (scary) smart move to make derogatory comments about Butler; it's not like he's the gate keeper to some talented kids or anything like that.  I don't really care about the comments towards J-Mart, that's kind of funny, actually.  Also, I can't wait to read a comment in the future by Prince that says something like "I don't read the newspapers".

[steve dave]

God damnit Ronald. 

[chum1]

The people who are calling for both sides to be told are often the same as the ones who think Brian Butler is evil.  This is puzzling to me because these people presumably would not feel the need to call for both sides to be told regarding something like a Charles Manson interview.  Please just admit that you don't desire a balanced story, only that nothing negative is said about Ron.  This is clearly one of Ron's primary desires as well.

[KSU4ME]

The people who are calling for both sides to be told are often the same as the ones who think Brian Butler is evil.  This is puzzling to me because these people presumably would not feel the need to call for both sides to be told regarding something like a Charles Manson interview.  Please just admit that you don't desire a balanced story, only that nothing negative is said about Ron.  This is clearly one of Ron's primary desires as well.

Thinking that articles about the recruitment of Kansas grads by Kansas universities should include facts about the numbers signed by KSU isn't wanting a balanced story?

You're off the Jeffreytard meter.  You're on that precipice of becoming like one of the phlock.

Charles Manson?  Man, I hope you were drunk and distracted when you posted this.  Otherwise you make Derrick Yates sound highly intelligent.

[chum1]

Thinking that articles about the recruitment of Kansas grads by Kansas universities should include facts about the numbers signed by KSU isn't wanting a balanced story?

Was it really an article about "the recruitment of Kansas grads by Kansas universities?"  Or is that just what the overly defensive homers took it to be?

[KSt8er]

Let me get this straight.

Prince popped off to a few hundred supporters at what was basically a private gathering.....and he's "the bad guy" for mentioning some things in THAT setting about a piece where someone "representing" some kids was given free reign and a pulpit to spout off a bunch of uncontested lies about Prince, his staff, and his program?

C'mon now.  I like J-Mart too but there is no need to kiss his ass just because Prince voiced some displeasure at a private gathering.  Jeff's a big boy and he can take care of himself.  Whether some choose to accept it or not he gave some Brian Butler guy(who is that?) a public forum to do a hatchet job.  Some might say he's getting his comeuppance.

That about sums it up.  Why you guys hang on JM's nuts is bizzaro.  I like and appreciate most of JM's stuff but the article (notebook if you like) in question was exactly as hatter says, a hatchet job.  RP went to JM's backyard to confront him, and in public, the same forum JM used but JM left early.  Sounds like he got what he deserved.

[michigancat]

Once again, you freaking tards can't see through the idiocy of calling out Brian Butler, who's the handler of the best Kansas recruits since Wimbley for sure. (and Bryce and Arthur are pretty much without a doubt better than him. )

Stick to the "J-Mart-tard" shtick, bury your head in the sand, and pull it out in three years so you can watch Arthur chasing down Patterson in a Notre Dame/UF BCS Championship game.

[Jeffrey_Martin]

Let me get this straight.

Prince popped off to a few hundred supporters at what was basically a private gathering.....and he's "the bad guy" for mentioning some things in THAT setting about a piece where someone "representing" some kids was given free reign and a pulpit to spout off a bunch of uncontested lies about Prince, his staff, and his program?

C'mon now.  I like J-Mart too but there is no need to kiss his ass just because Prince voiced some displeasure at a private gathering.  Jeff's a big boy and he can take care of himself.  Whether some choose to accept it or not he gave some Brian Butler guy(who is that?) a public forum to do a hatchet job.  Some might say he's getting his comeuppance.

That about sums it up.  Why you guys hang on JM's nuts is bizzaro.  I like and appreciate most of JM's stuff but the article (notebook if you like) in question was exactly as hatter says, a hatchet job.  RP went to JM's backyard to confront him, and in public, the same forum JM used but JM left early.  Sounds like he got what he deserved.

OK, I was going to lay low, but...

1. No one hangs on anyone's nuts.
2. It was a NOTEBOOK. Brian Butler started talking and I quoted him. A hatchet job? Slow down. It was his opinion, nothing more and nothing less. Sure, I provided a forum for him. Why not? He's the gatekeeper to two of the most sought after kids in the country. Who wouldn't have run what he said?
3. As far as confronting me, that's comical. I was there while he was there for at least 45 minutes to an hour. He had plenty of chances to confront me. Didn't happen. I left to write my story, and I hear later he is, in essence, doing a stand-up routine about me. Fair enough, I guess.

[CALCATA]

Did someone record that?

I'd like to hear those comments.

I think Jeff has been extremely fair, and maybe Prince is taking good natured shots at him, but at the same time you gotta wonder.

I think all this did was show that Jeff is doing his job.. and well.

He was fair up until the Butler piece. There's Butler's opinion of the matter, and then there are facts.
Butler states that KSU passes over KS kids for 4th and 5th rate Texas and Florida Talent.  He uses Frank Delarue as an example.
A running back who should have gotten a scholarship.

Nevermind KSU already had three runningbacks signed in the class all from....Kansas. I'm sorry, but y every school has a limit on the number of players
they'll take at a certain position. For KSU -- I'm sure three was enough at RB.

So b/c Delarue is tight with the Butler clan and they think he should be on scholly, Prince should take
 4 RBs? Would have been awesome not having that last scholly for a DT (Abana) that was snapped up in the 11th hour.

Ever since Prince has been here, his main recruiting Mantra has been "keeping KS talent in KS at KSU" He's shouted that from mountaintops and extended offers and accepted commitments from more in-state guys than we EVER saw in the Snyder era.

And if Butler was speaking about the Snyder era -- then it's a non-issue. He's not coach anymore. Prince is. The philosophies change.

Travis Tannahill...unranked, two star, not in the KS Top 10 kid is t exactly the type of Kid according to Butler, KSU passes on.

[ECN]

Let me get this straight.

Prince popped off to a few hundred supporters at what was basically a private gathering.....and he's "the bad guy" for mentioning some things in THAT setting about a piece where someone "representing" some kids was given free reign and a pulpit to spout off a bunch of uncontested lies about Prince, his staff, and his program?

C'mon now.  I like J-Mart too but there is no need to kiss his ass just because Prince voiced some displeasure at a private gathering.  Jeff's a big boy and he can take care of himself.  Whether some choose to accept it or not he gave some Brian Butler guy(who is that?) a public forum to do a hatchet job.  Some might say he's getting his comeuppance.

That about sums it up.  Why you guys hang on JM's nuts is bizzaro.  I like and appreciate most of JM's stuff but the article (notebook if you like) in question was exactly as hatter says, a hatchet job.  RP went to JM's backyard to confront him, and in public, the same forum JM used but JM left early.  Sounds like he got what he deserved.

dont you EVER put jmart™ in a corner. nobody puts jmart™ in a corner.

[KSU4ME]

Thinking that articles about the recruitment of Kansas grads by Kansas universities should include facts about the numbers signed by KSU isn't wanting a balanced story?

Was it really an article about "the recruitment of Kansas grads by Kansas universities?"  Or is that just what the overly defensive homers took it to be?

That's the direction the interview went, isn't it?  Charles Manson figured that one out.

Once again, you freaking tards can't see through the idiocy of calling out Brian Butler, who's the handler of the best Kansas recruits since Wimbley for sure. (and Bryce and Arthur are pretty much without a doubt better than him. )

Stick to the "J-Mart-tard" shtick, bury your head in the sand, and pull it out in three years so you can watch Arthur chasing down Patterson in a Notre Dame/UF BCS Championship game.

Prince's comments about Butler are just mind numbing.  Nothing good can come of it.

I don't think anyone has denied that, and indeed it has been pointed out in this very thread that Prince's comments certainly aren't constructive.

Here's an idea, in your world is it possible to think that both Martin and Prince have a share of screw ups?

I can't imagine how you would react if someone questioned Butler.

[ew2x4]

I figured I'd have more fun asking Prince directly...


Coach-

Why all the hate on Jeffery Martin? From an outsider, it seems you
should be mad at Butler. Jmart seems to just report the news- and report
the news well. Most Cat fans like both you and Martin's reporting, so
all of the alleged confrontation leaves most people confused. Good luck
with recruiting and see you in a couple months.

PS. If you want to talk about poor Cat reporting from the Eagle, look at
Lutz. That guy is a loon.


Got the reply this morning-


Just a little fun. Hate? Never.
Enjoy your evening.

Go State!

Ron Prince
Head Football Coach
Kansas State University


I think he is just doing an awful job at trying to be a comedian.

[The Whale]

So what caused the recent increase in powertards?  Is this what we've got to look forward to for football season -- the over-the-top homers jumping on anyone who disagrees with Prince's gameplan/scheduling/roster?

[chum1]

Thinking that articles about the recruitment of Kansas grads by Kansas universities should include facts about the numbers signed by KSU isn't wanting a balanced story?

Was it really an article about "the recruitment of Kansas grads by Kansas universities?"  Or is that just what the overly defensive homers took it to be?

That's the direction the interview went, isn't it?

The direction it went included some of Brian Butler's thoughts on that issue.  And the story was a report on his thoughts, not on the issue in general.  That's how I read it initially and how I would read it now.

Charles Manson figured that one out.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/hyperbole

[KSt8er]

Let me get this straight.

Prince popped off to a few hundred supporters at what was basically a private gathering.....and he's "the bad guy" for mentioning some things in THAT setting about a piece where someone "representing" some kids was given free reign and a pulpit to spout off a bunch of uncontested lies about Prince, his staff, and his program?

C'mon now.  I like J-Mart too but there is no need to kiss his ass just because Prince voiced some displeasure at a private gathering.  Jeff's a big boy and he can take care of himself.  Whether some choose to accept it or not he gave some Brian Butler guy(who is that?) a public forum to do a hatchet job.  Some might say he's getting his comeuppance.

That about sums it up.  Why you guys hang on JM's nuts is bizzaro.  I like and appreciate most of JM's stuff but the article (notebook if you like) in question was exactly as hatter says, a hatchet job.  RP went to JM's backyard to confront him, and in public, the same forum JM used but JM left early.  Sounds like he got what he deserved.

OK, I was going to lay low, but...

1. No one hangs on anyone's nuts.
2. It was a NOTEBOOK. Brian Butler started talking and I quoted him. A hatchet job? Slow down. It was his opinion, nothing more and nothing less. Sure, I provided a forum for him. Why not? He's the gatekeeper to two of the most sought after kids in the country. Who wouldn't have run what he said?
3. As far as confronting me, that's comical. I was there while he was there for at least 45 minutes to an hour. He had plenty of chances to confront me. Didn't happen. I left to write my story, and I hear later he is, in essence, doing a stand-up routine about me. Fair enough, I guess.

I seriously doubt that RP was going to change his tactic of calling you out either way, you leaving is the only reason you didn't get it live and right in your face.  You provided Butler his stage and allowed him to distort the truth while at it.  That's fact.

And to those worrying themselves about Butler, isn't readily apparent where he stands concerning KSU anyway?  The guy has no intention of working with us, his bullcrap JM quoted says it all.  I'd say RP needs to call Butler out too and confront the problem now, discredit that POS before he has more opportunities to hurt us.  

If the Brown's follow his thinking then it is too bad, but from what I'm hearing they know very well the difference between Butlers agenda and the truth.  

And too it's too bad JM has his issues with RP, and has the larger forum, especially since I don't see how RP started them down this path.

[KSU4ME]

Thinking that articles about the recruitment of Kansas grads by Kansas universities should include facts about the numbers signed by KSU isn't wanting a balanced story?

Was it really an article about "the recruitment of Kansas grads by Kansas universities?"  Or is that just what the overly defensive homers took it to be?

That's the direction the interview went, isn't it?

The direction it went included some of Brian Butler's thoughts on that issue.  And the story was a report on his thoughts, not on the issue in general.  That's how I read it initially and how I would read it now.

Charles Manson figured that one out.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/hyperbole

You're really all over the place.  So now it was about the recruitment of Kansas kids.  Glad we got that cleared up.

What value does Jeffrey provide over a voice recorder if all he does is regurgitate other's words without any analysis or additional relevant facts?  In most of his other work, Jeffery does an amazing job of providing facts from other sources, great analysis, etc.  It's why he's the best KSU beat writer out there.  On this one, he strangely fell silent.

Jeffrey's response is that it was just a notebook, and my reply is that while it's a subject he clearly felt worthy of an incendiary interview, it's strangely one he never followed up upon or included additional relevant facts/analysis at the time.

[LimestoneOutcropping]

Lot's of you guys REALLY like this Jeff Martin guy.

[chum1]

Lot's of you guys REALLY like this Jeff Martin guy.

For some of us, a thorough disdain for unabashed homerism is the primary factor at work here.

[catzacker]

Who really cares about Prince's comments on Martin?  Ronald's an f'ing moron for trying to call out Butler in public.  What's even more retarded is those that think that Ronald "stuck it" to Martin with his comments/jokes.