J-Mart feels the wrath of Tha Row

[stormnut]

And maybe Prince's and Buttlers's relationship is such that this was good nature humor.

Lol.  Yep, that's it.

This was Prince's way of tapping out on the Brown's.  He knows his staff has a snowball's chance in hell of landing them, so at least make a joke out of it.

And if you think Prince and Buttler(sic) have a great relationship you're smoking crack.

I am smoking right now but what does that have to do with anything. I would love to know your "facts" on this issue. If you have any info spill it and I might let you smoke from my pipe.

[fatty fat fat]

I was there.  There is NO CHANCE the stand-up routine happens with Jeff there.  The introductory joke only worked knowing that Jeff wasn't there.

Would you say that Prince seems to have some issues with Jeff, even if he tries to pass them off as a joke?  Fatty and others would like to know.

YES.

BFD. Martin did his job with the article (which we all loved), and Prince is simply doing his job. Neither is really wrong here.

[sonofdaxjones]

The great thing about this, is the fact that there is some actual offseason entertainment value to this.

This is the kind of stuff usually reserved for ACC/SEC country where there is a lot more talent in each of those states, and the large market press in those areas doesn't just accept the standard party line.

[~WabashRoll~]

Not too difficuly to form an opinion after reading one or basically every other public statement over the last year that Butler has made regarding Prince and his philosophy of recruiting Kansas kids.

How much more transparent do you need it?

[stormnut]

Not too difficuly to form an opinion after reading one or basically every other public statement over the last year that Butler has made regarding Prince and his philosophy of recruiting Kansas kids.

How much more transparent do you need it?

~WabashRoll~

Buttler is playing us like a  . We will see what happens but Prince may be called scary smart but Buttler is the Fred Kruger of smart people

[chum1]

I was there.  There is NO CHANCE the stand-up routine happens with Jeff there.  The introductory joke only worked knowing that Jeff wasn't there.

Would you say that Prince seems to have some issues with Jeff, even if he tries to pass them off as a joke?  Fatty and others would like to know.

YES.

BFD. Martin did his job with the article (which we all loved), and Prince is simply doing his job. Neither is really wrong here.

I just wanted to make sure we weren't falsely accusing people of being negative for no good reason, and that there was actually something to the negativity.

The great thing about this, is the fact that there is some actual offseason entertainment value to this.

QFT.  And RP vs. JM is a much more entertaining subject than RP pissing off Butler, IMO.

[Trim]

I was there.  There is NO CHANCE the stand-up routine happens with Jeff there.  The introductory joke only worked knowing that Jeff wasn't there.

Would you say that Prince seems to have some issues with Jeff, even if he tries to pass them off as a joke?  Fatty and others would like to know.

YES.

BFD. Martin did his job with the article (which we all loved), and Prince is simply doing his job. Neither is really wrong here.

The Prince-Martin fued.  BFD.  You're right.

What part of last night was Prince doing his job?  The "journalistic integrity" crack on Martin or the sarcastic thanks to Brian Butler for telling him how to coach?

I love the entertainment of the Prince-Martin feud (clearly analogous to East Coast vs. West Coast; Suge even branded Prince "east coast" last night), but if Mangino was feuding with Rick Plumlee and then took a roundabout crack at some hypothetical stud recruit's mentor, wouldn't you be LOL at how dumb that was?

EDIT: chum pretty much stole my thunder.

[ksuno1stunner]

All of this because of Frank &@#%ing Delarue.  Christ.

[fatty fat fat]

The Martin piece left everyone baffled. EVERYONE. You cannot make an argument that supports what Butler said, and what Martin generalized when writing the article.  ("He's got beef as well"....BS he does!)

You can tell it's rubbing off the brown brothers too, did you see pw's youtube of the latest interview of Bryce? He pretty much regurgitated what Butler told J-Mart.

Prince is just being an arrogant SOB. BFD.

[stormnut]

All of this because of Frank &*$@!ing Delarue.  Christ.

Thats on the team in the first place and, if as good as billed, will get a scholarship. But of course that was the plan all along.

[fatty fat fat]

All of this because of Frank &*$@!ing Delarue.  Christ.

Thats on the team in the first place and, if as good as billed, will get a scholarship. But of course that was the plan all along.

QFT. I feel for Prince.

[ksuno1stunner]

We should kick Frank off the team.  Just for fun.

[chum1]

LOL. 

Really, Butler's comments were just BS excuses.  He could have said just about anything and it none of it would accurately reflect the situation.

[michigancat]

Legit or not, Prince should never have let Butler make those comments.  He should have been in his ear constantly about how much he recruits Kansas and how important it is, he should have been crystal clear about the DeLarue situation, the 3 Kansas running backs, the number of Kansans on the roster, etc..

I'm sure he already did that, though, right?

[steve dave]

We should kick Frank off the team.  Just for fun.

Also Kirk and Freeze.  Just for fun....and to make the team better.

[The Manhatter]

hear hear to chupa and clams.

the jmart rendition of dirty dancing and clams references to piston honda and king hippo made this thread worth reading.

[fatty fat fat]

Stated how appreciative he is of Jeff's comments, and due to those, they're really gonna start focusing on recruiting Kansas.  "It takes an east-coast media guy in a Boston Red Sox hat

Oh yeah, props to Prince (GOD) for pointing this out. I hate those people.

[waks]

So Waks, How does this effect the silent commit?

Read Poopley's post in this thread. It will explain a lot.

[Pete]

..."It takes an east-coast media guy in a Boston Red Sox hat....

Aside from the fine education that I am sure Ron must have received in Junior College, every bit of his professional life leading up to this job was earned on the East Coast.  Every professional mentor, all his education, every bit of his experience is from the East coast.

Ron Prince  = 

[The Whale]

Ron Prince 2006 = Tony Pena 2003   


Discuss.

[chum1]

Tony Pena wore a Red Sox hat.

[Pete]

Ron Prince 2006 = Tony Pena 2003   
Discuss.

Apt comparison, quite apt.  Next season Ron showers with his clothes on.

[sonofdaxjones]

Prince vs J-Mart

Cage Match 2007

July 27th, 2007

Bramlage Coliseum-Manhattan, KS

8:30 pm

[stormnut]

Prince vs J-Mart

Cage Match 2007

July 27th, 2007

Bramlage Coliseum-Manhattan, KS

8:30 pm

Update: They will not beat each other with those swimming noodles. ADTW pulled the funding for the cage.

[J Rake]

http://www.roanoke.com/sports/uvainsider/wb/wb/xp-15871

Dec. 23, 2004
By Doug Doughty, UVa beat reporter
The Roanoke Times

At the height of the furor over the possible departure of Virginia defensive coordinator Al Golden, a thought suddenly struck me.

I’ve never spoken to Al Golden.

I take that back. As he rushed through the press box en route to the coaching box once or maybe twice, I believe coach Golden and I made eye contact and maybe even said hello to each other. I certainly know who he is and I think he knows who I am, but I can’t say that we’ve ever had a conversation.

I was beginning to feel a little sheepish about that until I was talking to media gadfly Jeff White, UVa beat reporter for the Richmond Times-Dispatch, and he said he’d never had a conversation with Golden either.

Here it is, the end of the fourth year of head coach Al Groh’s tenure, and two of the principal beat reporters for two of the state's largest newspapers have never spoken to the defensive coordinator.

It probably doesn’t bother Golden, or else he might have jumped at a chance to become the defensive coordinator under new Notre Dame head coach Charlie Weis. Weis already has said that he will make his assistants available to the media for one day a week -- a break from the practice employed by the Bill Parcells “tribe,” including past Parcells assistants Bill Belichick and Groh.

At this point, let me say that I have not hesitated to call several of Groh’s other assistants, most notably Mike London and Danny Rocco, when I’ve been confused and felt they could set me straight. I don’t think that bothers Groh, as long as they’re not going to be quoted and I’m not jeopardizing his one-voice policy.

I even wrote a feature story on assistant Ron Prince shortly after his ascension to offensive coordinator in the summer of 2003, during the one-month window when Groh allowed his assistants to talk to the media prior to his first three seasons. That policy ended this year, after Groh became upset at newspaper and TV coverage of off-season, off-field events involving his players.

I’ve never heard a UVa assistant complain about Groh’s policy, but if any of these assistants aspire to be head coaches, eventually they will have to deal with the media. At 35, Golden makes an attractive candidate and has been mentioned -- by people who might not be “in the know” -- as future head-coaching material at his alma mater, Penn State.

It has been debated whether Golden could go from the UVa defensive coordinator’s to the head-coaching job at Penn State. That’s highly unlikely. Could he have gotten the Penn State head job from the Notre Dame defensive coordinator’s job? Possibly, if not probably.

Iowa coach and Pennsylvania native Kirk Ferentz frequently gets mentioned as a successor to Penn State coach Joe Paterno, who turned 78 this week, one day before he took an oral commitment from the nation’s No. 1-rated prospect, Derrick Williams. Ferentz’s credentials obviously surpass Golden’s at this point and, among other things, he has experience at dealing with the media.

Groh admits that he is a control freak. Several years ago, in the midst of a conversation with Groh, White and I confided that we had been referring to him as “the chairman.” Groh immediately rejected that appellation because “you know what a chairman does,” he said.

He was right. A chairman conducts meetings at which his associates tell him what’s happening with the company. Groh never wants to reach the point where he is oblivious to the daily goings-on of his program. He is the embodiment of the description “hands-on.”

Frankly, Groh does a disservice to his assistants by not letting them talk to the media. This week, I’m working on a story on Dennis Haley, a fifth-year linebacker from Salem who has emerged as a front-line player despite considerable outside skepticism. Who better to talk about Haley than his position coach of four seasons, Rocco? It didn’t happen.

Few coaches schedule as many media opportunities as Groh, even though it can be aggravating on occasions like Sundays, when Groh did not join a teleconference scheduled for 12:30, then was unavailable for a restart at 1:15. Plus, when he’s doing most of the talking for a program in which some marquee players are seldom available, it comes of as “all Al, all the time.”

I can only imagine how testy Groh might have been if he had lost Golden, whose departure might have had a domino effect with other UVa assistants, draft-eligible underclassmen and recruits. On the other hand, the possibility exists that it was a non-story, that either Weis had other plans or that he kept his distance from Golden as a favor to Groh, a colleague at four different stops.

If Golden could -- or would -- talk, it might be fascinating.

[fatty fat fat]

Hey J Rake, we have the #1 recruit on campus. Maybe an interview?

[J Rake]

Hey J Rake, we have the #1 recruit on campus. Maybe an interview?

Nah, man, I'm back home in New York till July 15.

This is going to sound weird (OK, maybe not to you guys) ... but I'm really missing Kansas. Haven't had (good) barbeque in three weeks, and I'm already tired of Yankee Fever.

Anyways, carry on.

[catzacker]

Bill let his coordinators talk to the media...which gave all of us the privilege of listening to Elliott complian about recruiting and why he couldn't do his job.   I can see both sides.  Bill never said anything when he talked.  People will say "if you listen carefully, you can pick up on things", but in reality, Bill mastered the art of not saying anything, but he was upfront about it.

[The Manhatter]

Prince vs J-Mart

Cage Match 2007

July 27th, 2007

Bramlage Coliseum-Manhattan, KS

8:30 pm*

* undercard is dax vs. weiser in thumb wrestling.

[sonofdaxjones]

Four Thumbs enter, 2 thumbs leave.