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Re: Winter Death Storm 2011 (Updated for Winter Death Storm 2014)
« Reply #2501 on: February 16, 2021, 11:26:56 AM »
My office is still out, apparently was not part of the emergency shut offs. Evergy said maybe it will be on around noon.
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Re: Winter Death Storm 2011 (Updated for Winter Death Storm 2014)
« Reply #2502 on: February 16, 2021, 07:46:52 PM »
The water company is no longer able to pump us water. Yay!


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Re: Winter Death Storm 2011 (Updated for Winter Death Storm 2014)
« Reply #2503 on: February 16, 2021, 07:53:43 PM »
Texas is crumbling my goodness
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Re: Winter Death Storm 2011 (Updated for Winter Death Storm 2014)
« Reply #2504 on: February 16, 2021, 07:57:36 PM »
Texas is crumbling my goodness
They are completely helpless


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Re: Winter Death Storm 2011 (Updated for Winter Death Storm 2014)
« Reply #2505 on: February 16, 2021, 07:58:10 PM »
Texas is crumbling my goodness
They are completely helpless


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Re: Winter Death Storm 2011 (Updated for Winter Death Storm 2014)
« Reply #2506 on: February 16, 2021, 08:00:57 PM »
Better find some bootstraps
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Re: Winter Death Storm 2011 (Updated for Winter Death Storm 2014)
« Reply #2507 on: February 16, 2021, 08:08:56 PM »
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Re: Winter Death Storm 2011 (Updated for Winter Death Storm 2014)
« Reply #2508 on: February 16, 2021, 08:12:01 PM »
Ast getting all huffy about Texas having four million people without power overnight and comparing it to the great plains doing 20-60 minute pauses is very texasy

Not huffy at all.  I was told Texas was having blackouts because Texas.

Apparently Kansas is having blackouts because Kansas. 

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Re: Winter Death Storm 2011 (Updated for Winter Death Storm 2014)
« Reply #2509 on: February 16, 2021, 08:14:46 PM »
don’t mess with texas


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Winter Death Storm 2011 (Updated for Winter Death Storm 2014)
« Reply #2510 on: February 16, 2021, 08:19:30 PM »
You’d think we could like run an extension cord from our grid to theirs to help out. We haven’t been shut off at all yet and I’d be happy to take a couple hours in the dark to help out down there.


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Re: Winter Death Storm 2011 (Updated for Winter Death Storm 2014)
« Reply #2511 on: February 16, 2021, 08:43:04 PM »
If Spracne had power he would have a witty retort for us.  Hope he sees this thread next week.
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Re: Winter Death Storm 2011 (Updated for Winter Death Storm 2014)
« Reply #2512 on: February 16, 2021, 09:21:11 PM »
I'm here, but it would be inappropriate of me to make light of the situation, tbh.

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Re: Winter Death Storm 2011 (Updated for Winter Death Storm 2014)
« Reply #2513 on: February 16, 2021, 09:22:28 PM »
I canceled my trip to Dallas, everyone

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Re: Winter Death Storm 2011 (Updated for Winter Death Storm 2014)
« Reply #2514 on: February 16, 2021, 09:31:41 PM »
Ast getting all huffy about Texas having four million people without power overnight and comparing it to the great plains doing 20-60 minute pauses is very texasy

Not huffy at all.  I was told Texas was having blackouts because Texas.

Apparently Kansas is having blackouts because Kansas.

Apples and oranges in scale.

And in case anyone was wondering, KY and KS are connected, all of the Eastern US, and a ton of Canada connected together.

And all of Western US connected together.

Not connected: Eastern US, Western US, and Texas,

Hence why Texas has 4 mill out, KS after dealing with this for 2 weeks decides "well we'll occasionally have outages every so often and not for everyone and only for like 3 hours a day for some people" Texas after it's exhausted all it's resources after 2 days: welp that's it isn't it but the power for emergency sources". That's the difference. That and natural gas for everyone (lol) is just poof, CO2 right now. And here I was told fossil fuels were the reliable ones.

Resiliency and grid reliability comes in numbers (for the most part).

And I was not trying to pick on you obv, you can't do anything about it, it's just really funny (to me) to have "we can do this on our own we're our own goddamn country" Texas brought to it's knees over a little cold in 48 hours time.

And that's with all the oil a Texan can shake at. At least it took KS 2 weeks to succumb to (occasionally) having to have (some) people go out (for 30-60 minutes). And most of that succumbing is due to Texas falling down at it's fat face sucking all the natural gas for itself as it huddles for warmth around the burnt out embers of it's pride cause it can't handle it.
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Re: Winter Death Storm 2011 (Updated for Winter Death Storm 2014)
« Reply #2515 on: February 16, 2021, 09:34:09 PM »
I'm that thankful Kentucky is in a different power network. Heat pump going hard though.

Interesting to nerd dive into the central plains energy mess. Hopefully, natural gas utilities will add some delivery capacity to the NG plants after this. My buddy's plant was only able to run at 50ish% capacity. If they went higher, they would've sucked down the city pressure and fubar'd the residential network.

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Curious do you know if the natty gas issues are related to equipment failures or it's just that cold and the equipment doesn't get to the same pressures and you get less mass flow or residential heating is using that much more (or all of it)?

In a nutshell: 1/3 of the country was hit with cold it's not used to, all more or less at the same time, most heat comes from gas, not the grid, so either you shut off power plants that run off natural gas, or shut off natural gases to houses, one is way easier to do...
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Re: Winter Death Storm 2011 (Updated for Winter Death Storm 2014)
« Reply #2516 on: February 16, 2021, 09:38:00 PM »
And if you want a long winded but to the point:

https://twitter.com/JesseJenkins/status/1361691683222654980

It's a "perfect storm", no one, fossil, renewable, anything looks good. Everything sucks when demand hits high

I just like to poke fun at Texas every expense I can  :shy:

Though I don't want to make light of people being cold, or emergency services might going black, that, is no joke, but proves to me even more, don't ever try to do your own grid alone
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Re: Winter Death Storm 2011 (Updated for Winter Death Storm 2014)
« Reply #2517 on: February 16, 2021, 09:47:54 PM »
i have extra electricity here if anyone wants to come pick some up.
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Re: Winter Death Storm 2011 (Updated for Winter Death Storm 2014)
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Re: Winter Death Storm 2011 (Updated for Winter Death Storm 2014)
« Reply #2519 on: February 16, 2021, 10:28:47 PM »
https://twitter.com/mike10010100/status/1361814507727765504?s=21


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Re: Winter Death Storm 2011 (Updated for Winter Death Storm 2014)
« Reply #2520 on: February 16, 2021, 10:37:52 PM »
That seems fake

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Re: Winter Death Storm 2011 (Updated for Winter Death Storm 2014)
« Reply #2521 on: February 16, 2021, 11:04:43 PM »
"experienced commanders will simply be smeared and will actually go to the meat."

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Re: Winter Death Storm 2011 (Updated for Winter Death Storm 2014)
« Reply #2522 on: February 17, 2021, 05:12:42 AM »
I'm that thankful Kentucky is in a different power network. Heat pump going hard though.

Interesting to nerd dive into the central plains energy mess. Hopefully, natural gas utilities will add some delivery capacity to the NG plants after this. My buddy's plant was only able to run at 50ish% capacity. If they went higher, they would've sucked down the city pressure and fubar'd the residential network.

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Curious do you know if the natty gas issues are related to equipment failures or it's just that cold and the equipment doesn't get to the same pressures and you get less mass flow or residential heating is using that much more (or all of it)?

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Why choose which one? You can't do rolling blackouts with NG. Much easier to flip the electrical supply. If ng drops, it doesn't get sent down the pipe until every home supply is pressure tested individually. Nightmare scenario if powerplants tripped the ng supply.

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Re: Winter Death Storm 2011 (Updated for Winter Death Storm 2014)
« Reply #2523 on: February 17, 2021, 05:16:31 AM »
Nat Gas company charged a penalty of $1.1 million for four hours of normal usage for a manufacturing facility in Kansas Monday morning. Usually, bill runs 70k/week. You would think these things would have been worked out or at least communicated when  this event had been in forecast for weeks.

Oh, and the snow plow got my mailbox.

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Re: Winter Death Storm 2011 (Updated for Winter Death Storm 2014)
« Reply #2524 on: February 17, 2021, 05:34:37 AM »
Ouch

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