MEH

[CNS]

glaringly,we need a guard upgrade next year.

[WillieWatanabe]

Didn't Irving play PG more than Sprads tonight? at least after the first 5 minutes or so?

[kso_FAN]

glaringly,we need a guard upgrade next year.

Rod has to be the guy.  Has to.

[kso_FAN]

Didn't Irving play PG more than Sprads tonight? at least after the first 5 minutes or so?

Not really.  There were some possessions where both were in and Irving brought the ball up, but that was mainly b/c UNLV was denying Sprads the ball on the inbounds. 

[MakeItRain]

I'll use this time again to point out that Irving has the significantly better TOR and with Will doing almost nothing to create offense.  

Side note.  It amazes me that stat guys will completely ignore literally every single stat to make any kind of an argument for Spradler.

That's more than fair.  Sprads' TO rate is more than double of Irving, I'm well aware of that.  I will only say that part of that is Irving is asked to take the PG role sparingly when he's in there, and Sprads, at least lately, takes the PG role on most of his possessions.  Granted, that still shouldn't account for the big difference.  And yes, Irving is a far better athlete and thus a better defender, especially for how they are asked to defend.

But I also can't help but look at reality; its clear Frank doesn't think Irving is a PG at all.  He doesn't put him there, and I don't see that changing.  So to me, if Sprads is going to play, he better hit shots, so I'm glad he did that tonight.

After a two week running debate I think we have come to an agreement.  It's all due to your insight and flexibility, I'm not surprised by this development.  I was perfectly prepared to hammer home the same talking points for two more months.  This is no longer necessary  

[_33]

I'll use this time again to point out that Irving has the significantly better TOR and with Will doing almost nothing to create offense.  

Side note.  It amazes me that stat guys will completely ignore literally every single stat to make any kind of an argument for Spradler.

But I also can't help but look at reality; its clear Frank doesn't think Irving is a PG at all.  He doesn't put him there, and I don't see that changing.

Is Frank Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) or something?  Irving is short, black, quick, decent passer, can create shots, and doesn't turn the ball over.  Seems like a pg.

[kso_FAN]

I'll use this time again to point out that Irving has the significantly better TOR and with Will doing almost nothing to create offense.  

Side note.  It amazes me that stat guys will completely ignore literally every single stat to make any kind of an argument for Spradler.

That's more than fair.  Sprads' TO rate is more than double of Irving, I'm well aware of that.  I will only say that part of that is Irving is asked to take the PG role sparingly when he's in there, and Sprads, at least lately, takes the PG role on most of his possessions.  Granted, that still shouldn't account for the big difference.  And yes, Irving is a far better athlete and thus a better defender, especially for how they are asked to defend.

But I also can't help but look at reality; its clear Frank doesn't think Irving is a PG at all.  He doesn't put him there, and I don't see that changing.  So to me, if Sprads is going to play, he better hit shots, so I'm glad he did that tonight.

After a two week running debate I think we have come to an agreement.  It's all due to your insight and flexibility, I'm not surprised by this development.  I was perfectly prepared to hammer home the same talking points for two more months.  This is no longer necessary  

   I try to be reasonable.

[Stevesie60]

I'll use this time again to point out that Irving has the significantly better TOR and with Will doing almost nothing to create offense. 

Side note.  It amazes me that stat guys will completely ignore literally every single stat to make any kind of an argument for Spradler.

But I also can't help but look at reality; its clear Frank doesn't think Irving is a PG at all.  He doesn't put him there, and I don't see that changing.

Is Frank Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) or something?  Irving is short, black, quick, decent passer, can create shots, and doesn't turn the ball over.  Seems like a pg.

This. And as a side note, can play D. Right up Frank's alley, right?

[MakeItRain]

glaringly,we need a guard upgrade next year.

Rod has to be the guy.  Has to.

Rodriguez is a tough and strong point guard. He competes on both ends of the floor and plays with great urgency. He has good not great speed and quickness but can get to the basket because of his toughness and he is strong for his size where he can finish with either hand.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/100506

[kso_FAN]

Is Frank Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) or something?  Irving is short, black, quick, decent passer, can create shots, and doesn't turn the ball over.  Seems like a pg.

All I can give you is the "he watches all the practices" talking point.  But Irving doesn't play PG much.  If he was ever going to do it, it was toinight, and it was clear that Frank was doing everything he could to keep Sprads there as much as possible. Even playing Myles a bit in the first half to give Sprads a breather, then Irving did get a very short stretch at PG in the 2nd, before Sprads came back in for the final stretch of minutes.

[CNS]

glaringly,we need a guard upgrade next year.

Rod has to be the guy.  Has to.

Rodriguez is a tough and strong point guard. He competes on both ends of the floor and plays with great urgency. He has good not great speed and quickness but can get to the basket because of his toughness and he is strong for his size where he can finish with either hand.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/100506

I mean in addition to angel.  need another guy too  imo. i dont think angel can be the one guy as a frosh.

[MakeItRain]

Is Frank Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) or something?  Irving is short, black, quick, decent passer, can create shots, and doesn't turn the ball over.  Seems like a pg.

All I can give you is the "he watches all the practices" talking point.  But Irving doesn't play PG much.  If he was ever going to do it, it was toinight, and it was clear that Frank was doing everything he could to keep Sprads there as much as possible. Even playing Myles a bit in the first half to give Sprads a breather, then Irving did get a very short stretch at PG in the 2nd, before Sprads came back in for the final stretch of minutes.

I'm going to guess it's this, and this is just a guess.  With this team, with no true point guard, all of these guys, Sprads included are shooting guards, Frank has to decide who is the most valuable at the 2 and the guy playing the point has to sacrifice some O to keep the offense going.

With this revelation I am going to give up a talking point.  I thought the combo-guard look would work with this team like it did last year, but not quite as well.  It is obvious that the combo-guard positions only work when one of the guys is an actual point guard.

[kso_FAN]

glaringly,we need a guard upgrade next year.

Rod has to be the guy.  Has to.

Rodriguez is a tough and strong point guard. He competes on both ends of the floor and plays with great urgency. He has good not great speed and quickness but can get to the basket because of his toughness and he is strong for his size where he can finish with either hand.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/100506

I mean in addition to angel.  need another guy too  imo. i dont think angel can be the one guy as a frosh.

You think Frank is going to play Sprads 20 MPG this year and then kick him to the curb?  Its not like we'll be able to sign another PG better than Sprads in the same class as Rod anyway.

[kso_FAN]

I'm going to guess it's this, and this is just a guess.  With this team, with no true point guard, all of these guys, Sprads included are shooting guards, Frank has to decide who is the most valuable at the 2 and the guy playing the point has to sacrifice some O to keep the offense going.

With this revelation I am going to give up a talking point.  I thought the combo-guard look would work with this team like it did last year, but not quite as well.  It is obvious that the combo-guard positions only work when one of the guys is an actual point guard.

Probably pretty accurate, though I'd call Sprads more of a PG than a SG.

[WillieWatanabe]

Didn't Irving play PG more than Sprads tonight? at least after the first 5 minutes or so?

Not really.  There were some possessions where both were in and Irving brought the ball up, but that was mainly b/c UNLV was denying Sprads the ball on the inbounds.  

hmm....guess i was influenced by my wanting Irving to bring it up.

[Cire]

without pullen our ball handlers are effing awful.  unlv didn't even look like they were breaking a sweat against any of our guards.

[MakeItRain]

glaringly,we need a guard upgrade next year.

Rod has to be the guy.  Has to.

Rodriguez is a tough and strong point guard. He competes on both ends of the floor and plays with great urgency. He has good not great speed and quickness but can get to the basket because of his toughness and he is strong for his size where he can finish with either hand.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/100506

I mean in addition to angel.  need another guy too  imo. i dont think angel can be the one guy as a frosh.

Why not, he won't need to score, he will just need to create.  Even still it would be good to fill the need of having two true point guards, and this where we would look for a late signee or a transfer to fill this need.  However, we know that this scenario isn't likely to happen since there are already like two or three guys who will need to be brandersoned.  I guess the hope is that Myles will be able to play 17 minutes or so next year.  I know the meltdowners will talk crap, but we've seen nothing either way to know at this point.

The greater question that needs to be asked is why are there 7 shooting guards on the roster with another one in Concordia waiting to join the team?

[EMAWzified]

We saw Canada for two minutes tonight. Beat of D twice and a TO. Scholarship count where it is, no way he's coming back.

[MakeItRain]

I'm going to guess it's this, and this is just a guess.  With this team, with no true point guard, all of these guys, Sprads included are shooting guards, Frank has to decide who is the most valuable at the 2 and the guy playing the point has to sacrifice some O to keep the offense going.

With this revelation I am going to give up a talking point.  I thought the combo-guard look would work with this team like it did last year, but not quite as well.  It is obvious that the combo-guard positions only work when one of the guys is an actual point guard.

Probably pretty accurate, though I'd call Sprads more of a PG than a SG.

Now you're going to force me to go back to those old talking points.  I believe that Sprads would be much more productive as a shooting guard, next to a true point guard.  He is more than a PG now but like I said I think it is negatively effecting every part of his game.  He is a much better shooter than he's been, he is being asked to do too much.

[kso_FAN]

I'm going to guess it's this, and this is just a guess.  With this team, with no true point guard, all of these guys, Sprads included are shooting guards, Frank has to decide who is the most valuable at the 2 and the guy playing the point has to sacrifice some O to keep the offense going.

With this revelation I am going to give up a talking point.  I thought the combo-guard look would work with this team like it did last year, but not quite as well.  It is obvious that the combo-guard positions only work when one of the guys is an actual point guard.

Probably pretty accurate, though I'd call Sprads more of a PG than a SG.

Now you're going to force me to go back to those old talking points.  I believe that Sprads would be much more productive as a shooting guard, next to a true point guard.  He is more than a PG now but like I said I think it is negatively effecting every part of his game.  He is a much better shooter than he's been, he is being asked to do too much.

I don't disagree with any of that.  I think he's a PG in Frank's system both long and short term though.

[swish1]

I'm going to guess it's this, and this is just a guess.  With this team, with no true point guard, all of these guys, Sprads included are shooting guards, Frank has to decide who is the most valuable at the 2 and the guy playing the point has to sacrifice some O to keep the offense going.

With this revelation I am going to give up a talking point.  I thought the combo-guard look would work with this team like it did last year, but not quite as well.  It is obvious that the combo-guard positions only work when one of the guys is an actual point guard.

Probably pretty accurate, though I'd call Sprads more of a PG than a SG.

Now you're going to force me to go back to those old talking points.  I believe that Sprads would be much more productive as a shooting guard, next to a true point guard.  He is more than a PG now but like I said I think it is negatively effecting every part of his game.  He is a much better shooter than he's been, he is being asked to do too much.

hes a true freshman.  hes also a point guard, just not a very good one.  in no way is he a shooting guard at this level.

[Cire]

Sprads makes Clent stewart look like denis.

[MakeItRain]

I'm going to guess it's this, and this is just a guess.  With this team, with no true point guard, all of these guys, Sprads included are shooting guards, Frank has to decide who is the most valuable at the 2 and the guy playing the point has to sacrifice some O to keep the offense going.

With this revelation I am going to give up a talking point.  I thought the combo-guard look would work with this team like it did last year, but not quite as well.  It is obvious that the combo-guard positions only work when one of the guys is an actual point guard.

Probably pretty accurate, though I'd call Sprads more of a PG than a SG.

Now you're going to force me to go back to those old talking points.  I believe that Sprads would be much more productive as a shooting guard, next to a true point guard.  He is more than a PG now but like I said I think it is negatively effecting every part of his game.  He is a much better shooter than he's been, he is being asked to do too much.

hes a true freshman.  hes also a point guard, just not a very good one.  in no way is he a shooting guard at this level.

If you want to be taken seriously you are going to have to qualify that opinion.

[swish1]

I'm going to guess it's this, and this is just a guess.  With this team, with no true point guard, all of these guys, Sprads included are shooting guards, Frank has to decide who is the most valuable at the 2 and the guy playing the point has to sacrifice some O to keep the offense going.

With this revelation I am going to give up a talking point.  I thought the combo-guard look would work with this team like it did last year, but not quite as well.  It is obvious that the combo-guard positions only work when one of the guys is an actual point guard.

Probably pretty accurate, though I'd call Sprads more of a PG than a SG.

Now you're going to force me to go back to those old talking points.  I believe that Sprads would be much more productive as a shooting guard, next to a true point guard.  He is more than a PG now but like I said I think it is negatively effecting every part of his game.  He is a much better shooter than he's been, he is being asked to do too much.

hes a true freshman.  hes also a point guard, just not a very good one.  in no way is he a shooting guard at this level.

If you want to be taken seriously you are going to have to qualify that opinion.

which part?

[catzacker]

Sprads makes Clent stewart look like denis.

ZING!