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[catzacker]

How is anyone taking anything positive away from this game?  We looked terrible.  Couldn't shoot, couldn't pass, couldn't dribble, fouled instead of playing defense.  I guess they played hard?  Looked like they played about as hard as any other D1 college basketball team I've seen play this season.  They played terrible.  UNLV is a bad team.  Probably about Iowa State level.

i'm not really taking positives, we definitely suck and that game showed how terrible we'll be for next year.  it was just more pleasing to watch for me for some reason.  saw some flashes of jyc, some anger in the crowd.  ya know when you hear a song that you haven't heard for a while and it has a great memory attached to it? so for about 3 minutes you're remembering that good time?   that was like watching this game for me (for bits and pieces of this game anyway), moreso than any other game.  

[EllToPay]

Thx.

The game should help everyone appreciate Pullen all the more with his PG ability. This game was a disaster from a PG standpoint.

[kso_FAN]

How is anyone taking anything positive away from this game?  We looked terrible.  Couldn't shoot, couldn't pass, couldn't dribble, fouled instead of playing defense.  I guess they played hard?  Looked like they played about as hard as any other D1 college basketball team I've seen play this season.  They played terrible.  UNLV is a bad team.  Probably about Iowa State level.

i'm not really taking positives, we definitely suck and that game showed how terrible we'll be for next year.  it was just more pleasing to watch for me for some reason.  saw some flashes of jyc, some anger in the crowd.  ya know when you hear a song that you haven't heard for a while and it has a great memory attached to it? so for about 3 minutes you're remembering that good time?   that was like watching this game for me (for bits and pieces of this game anyway), moreso than any other game.  

It was the most JYC game of the year.  

[WillieWatanabe]

I thought Irving had some good moments.

[kitten_mittons]

How is anyone taking anything positive away from this game?  We looked terrible.  Couldn't shoot, couldn't pass, couldn't dribble, fouled instead of playing defense.  I guess they played hard?  Looked like they played about as hard as any other D1 college basketball team I've seen play this season.  They played terrible.  UNLV is a bad team.  Probably about Iowa State level.

Played pretty good defense, couple of lapses, but they were playing with a bunch of underclassmen and walk-ons.  Spradling is still terrible, though.

[wetwillie]

Make shots.
Protect the ball.
Make FTs. 

Yeah, that's what lost us the game, in that order.  We played fantastic defensively I thought and hit the boards like crazy.  Was really as JYC of effort as we've seen all year.

Name three things we can't do?

We had almost double the O Boards tonight and failed to use it to our advantage.  Don't know what it is going to take for us to finish after we clean up on the glass.  Maybe the mikan drill 

[kso_FAN]

Thx.

The game should help everyone appreciate Pullen all the more with his PG ability. This game was a disaster from a PG standpoint.

Well, hopefully will end the dumb Irving/Russell at PG talk.  Sprads isn't dynamic and doesn't make a ton of plays, but if he plays like he did tonight with Pullen beside him its our best chance to win games.  JMHO.

Russell has a chance to be a pretty good SG, though he disappeared a bit in the 2nd half.  

[catzacker]

Thx.

The game should help everyone appreciate Pullen all the more with his PG ability. This game was a disaster from a PG standpoint.

Well, hopefully will end the dumb Irving/Russell at PG talk.  Sprads isn't dynamic and doesn't make a ton of plays, but if he plays like he did tonight with Pullen beside him its our best chance to win games.  JMHO.

Russell has a chance to be a pretty good SG, though he disappeared a bit in the 2nd half.  

russ at the 2-combo and jake at the 1-combo would be better than sprads at the 1-combo and jake at the 2-combo, IMO.  but it's probably 6 to one, half dozen to the other.

[kso_FAN]

Thx.

The game should help everyone appreciate Pullen all the more with his PG ability. This game was a disaster from a PG standpoint.

Well, hopefully will end the dumb Irving/Russell at PG talk.  Sprads isn't dynamic and doesn't make a ton of plays, but if he plays like he did tonight with Pullen beside him its our best chance to win games.  JMHO.

Russell has a chance to be a pretty good SG, though he disappeared a bit in the 2nd half. 

russ at the 2-combo and jake at the 1-combo would be better than sprads at the 1-combo and jake at the 2-combo, IMO.  but it's probably 6 to one, half dozen to the other.

If Russell plays like he did the first half, yeah.  That would be a good look for 12-15 min per game.  Its going to be both though, so hopefully we can maximize Spads/Pullen for 15 or so and Pullen/Russell for 15 then Irving can pick up the scraps.

[EMAWzified]

Sprads isn't dynamic and doesn't make a ton of plays, but if he plays like he did tonight with Pullen beside him its our best chance to win games.  JMHO.

Do not agree. Irving is by far a better defender and as good a shooter and can get in the lane and to the rim. Spradling can't drive and get enough space to shoot from range. He probably doesn't make as many TOs, but that's because he doesn't try to do much.

[wabash909]

Big XII pick to win the league to bubble team.  Lol.  What a bunch if fuking pussies.

[kstatefreak42]

Big XII pick to win the league to bubble team.  Lol.  What a bunch if fuking pussies.

your mom

[kso_FAN]

Sprads isn't dynamic and doesn't make a ton of plays, but if he plays like he did tonight with Pullen beside him its our best chance to win games.  JMHO.

Do not agree. Irving is by far a better defender and as good a shooter and can get in the lane and to the rim. Spradling can't drive and get enough space to shoot from range. He probably doesn't make as many TOs, but that's because he doesn't try to do much.

Tonight showed me that we've got great competition at the SG spot for about 20 MPG for either Irving or Russell to play beside Pullen.  But someone is going to play PG so Pullen can slide to the SG spot at times and that guy is going to be Sprads.  The only other choice is Myles.  If that hasn't become clear by now based on how Frank plays these guys, then you aren't watching.  

[MakeItRain]

Thx.

The game should help everyone appreciate Pullen all the more with his PG ability. This game was a disaster from a PG standpoint.

Well, hopefully will end the dumb Irving/Russell at PG talk.  Sprads isn't dynamic and doesn't make a ton of plays, but if he plays like he did tonight with Pullen beside him its our best chance to win games.  JMHO.

Russell has a chance to be a pretty good SG, though he disappeared a bit in the 2nd half.  

  Irving appeared to be very good with the ball tonight while Sprads continued to be a ball mover.  It is amazing that Spradling has any turnovers ever.  Has he ever done anything but pass the ball to the wing?  He had one damn assistand four shot attempts, that's horrawful, he's like the Sutton of point guards.

[catzacker]

Thx.

The game should help everyone appreciate Pullen all the more with his PG ability. This game was a disaster from a PG standpoint.

Well, hopefully will end the dumb Irving/Russell at PG talk.  Sprads isn't dynamic and doesn't make a ton of plays, but if he plays like he did tonight with Pullen beside him its our best chance to win games.  JMHO.

Russell has a chance to be a pretty good SG, though he disappeared a bit in the 2nd half.  

  Irving appeared to be very good with the ball tonight while Sprads continued to be a ball mover.  It is amazing that Spradling has any turnovers ever.  Has he ever done anything but pass the ball to the wing?  He had one damn assistand four shot attempts, that's horrawful, he's like the Sutton of point guards.

 

[MakeItRain]

Sprads isn't dynamic and doesn't make a ton of plays, but if he plays like he did tonight with Pullen beside him its our best chance to win games.  JMHO.

Do not agree. Irving is by far a better defender

I pointed this out in the chat, but Spradling went under ball screens time after time after time, while Irving was able to go over the top of the same screens.  Will was lucky the UNLY guards were off tonight, against good shooters that will be a disaster.

[kso_FAN]

Thx.

The game should help everyone appreciate Pullen all the more with his PG ability. This game was a disaster from a PG standpoint.

Well, hopefully will end the dumb Irving/Russell at PG talk.  Sprads isn't dynamic and doesn't make a ton of plays, but if he plays like he did tonight with Pullen beside him its our best chance to win games.  JMHO.

Russell has a chance to be a pretty good SG, though he disappeared a bit in the 2nd half.  

  Irving appeared to be very good with the ball tonight while Sprads continued to be a ball mover.  It is amazing that Spradling has any turnovers ever.  Has he ever done anything but pass the ball to the wing?  He had one damn assistand four shot attempts, that's horrawful, he's like the Sutton of point guards.

Irving did decent in stretches, but he had some bad TOs as well.  And yes, Sprads isn't trying to make too many plays, but I was encouraged that he knocked down the two jumpers.  He's going to get his 20 minutes when Pullen is back, so this is what I want to see from him.  

Russell and Irving, I want to see the agression, but more control.  They'd just flail with the ball attacking the basket at times.  And one of those two (or both) is going to get 20 minutes too.

As for next year, it will be Rodriguez/Sprads splitting time early, but Rod will have every opportunity to win the job.  Sprads will be a nice player through his career here, but likely never a star, so don't think I'm going overboard on Sprads.

[felix rex]

Make shots.
Protect the ball.
Make FTs.  

Name three things we can't do?

Yeah, that's what lost us the game, in that order.  We played fantastic defensively I thought and hit the boards like crazy.  Was really as JYC of effort as we've seen all year.

Yeah. I admit to thinking that during the game. I just really wanted this after the UF steamer.

[wetwillie]

Thx.

The game should help everyone appreciate Pullen all the more with his PG ability. This game was a disaster from a PG standpoint.

Well, hopefully will end the dumb Irving/Russell at PG talk.  Sprads isn't dynamic and doesn't make a ton of plays, but if he plays like he did tonight with Pullen beside him its our best chance to win games.  JMHO.

Russell has a chance to be a pretty good SG, though he disappeared a bit in the 2nd half.  

  Irving appeared to be very good with the ball tonight while Sprads continued to be a ball mover.  It is amazing that Spradling has any turnovers ever.  Has he ever done anything but pass the ball to the wing?  He had one damn assistand four shot attempts, that's horrawful, he's like the Sutton of point guards.

I like Irving much more than doc at this point, Irving finished at the rim and was able to get there multiple times off the dribble.  His TO's are still too high but I think that is part of his game that can be corrected.

[swish1]

Thx.

The game should help everyone appreciate Pullen all the more with his PG ability. This game was a disaster from a PG standpoint.

Well, hopefully will end the dumb Irving/Russell at PG talk.  Sprads isn't dynamic and doesn't make a ton of plays, but if he plays like he did tonight with Pullen beside him its our best chance to win games.  JMHO.

Russell has a chance to be a pretty good SG, though he disappeared a bit in the 2nd half.  

  Irving appeared to be very good with the ball tonight while Sprads continued to be a ball mover.  It is amazing that Spradling has any turnovers ever.  Has he ever done anything but pass the ball to the wing?  He had one damn assistand four shot attempts, that's horrawful, he's like the Sutton of point guards.

spradling actually attempted to get the ball in the post against UF while no other guards did.  however, i would kill for irving to be playing the point instead of him, its just not gonna happen.  irving plays better D as well.  the only thing spradling brings to the table over irving is slightly better ball handling, FT %, and possibly making better decisions with the basketball.

[kso_FAN]

I'm just saying this; if Irving hasn't played PG for long stretches of games yet, why is that going to change anytime soon?  Yeah, he had a handful of possessions where he brought the ball up, but he's not going to be a PG opposite Pullen or anything like that anytime soon.  Its clear its going to breakdown like this the rest of the way with Pullen: Pullen at SG with someone else at PG for around 20 MPG.  That someone is Sprads. Or Myles, but I won't even go there.  Pullen at PG with someone else at SG 20 minutes per game.  That's Irving or Russell.  Any other combo besides that will only happen for a handful of possessions per game.

[Stevesie60]

Sprads' D is awful. AWFUL. I don't know why Frank of all people is playing him over Irving.

If Myles gets a scholarship next year, I'm taking a year off of rooting for this team.

[MakeItRain]

Thx.

The game should help everyone appreciate Pullen all the more with his PG ability. This game was a disaster from a PG standpoint.

Well, hopefully will end the dumb Irving/Russell at PG talk.  Sprads isn't dynamic and doesn't make a ton of plays, but if he plays like he did tonight with Pullen beside him its our best chance to win games.  JMHO.

Russell has a chance to be a pretty good SG, though he disappeared a bit in the 2nd half.  

  Irving appeared to be very good with the ball tonight while Sprads continued to be a ball mover.  It is amazing that Spradling has any turnovers ever.  Has he ever done anything but pass the ball to the wing?  He had one damn assistand four shot attempts, that's horrawful, he's like the Sutton of point guards.

spradling actually attempted to get the ball in the post against UF while no other guards did.  however, i would kill for irving to be playing the point instead of him, its just not gonna happen.  irving plays better D as well.  the only thing spradling brings to the table over irving is slightly better ball handling, FT %, and possibly making better decisions with the basketball.

I'll use this time again to point out that Irving has the significantly better TOR and with Will doing almost nothing to create offense.  

Side note.  It amazes me that stat guys will completely ignore literally every single stat to make any kind of an argument for Spradler.

[MakeItRain]

I'm just saying this; if Irving hasn't played PG for long stretches of games yet, why is that going to change anytime soon?  Yeah, he had a handful of possessions where he brought the ball up, but he's not going to be a PG opposite Pullen or anything like that anytime soon.  Its clear its going to breakdown like this the rest of the way with Pullen: Pullen at SG with someone else at PG for around 20 MPG.  That someone is Sprads. Or Myles, but I won't even go there.  Pullen at PG with someone else at SG 20 minutes per game.  That's Irving or Russell.  Any other combo besides that will only happen for a handful of possessions per game.

I do agree with this.  I really hope that Frank hasn't given up on Jake at the 1.  He is still the best ball handler of anyone worth talking about.  It would love it if Irving could play the two with Nick the first guard off of the bench.  I think Will's game is being hurt by the fact that he is being asked to do so much.  I think right now, as an 18 year old developing freshman, his greatest value would be a guy who comes off of the bench and hit some big shots, stretch the defense.

[kso_FAN]

I'll use this time again to point out that Irving has the significantly better TOR and with Will doing almost nothing to create offense.  

Side note.  It amazes me that stat guys will completely ignore literally every single stat to make any kind of an argument for Spradler.

That's more than fair.  Sprads' TO rate is more than double of Irving, I'm well aware of that.  I will only say that part of that is Irving is asked to take the PG role sparingly when he's in there, and Sprads, at least lately, takes the PG role on most of his possessions.  Granted, that still shouldn't account for the big difference.  And yes, Irving is a far better athlete and thus a better defender, especially for how they are asked to defend.

But I also can't help but look at reality; its clear Frank doesn't think Irving is a PG at all.  He doesn't put him there, and I don't see that changing.  So to me, if Sprads is going to play, he better hit shots, so I'm glad he did that tonight.