pullen numbers

[sys]

     %min  ortg   %shot  efg%  or%  dr%  arate  torate  stl%  ftrate       ft             2pt fg         3ptfg
                              
Sr   74.5   104.6   29.2   47.2   2.6   10.8   26.4   19.5   3.5   43.4   45-63(.714)  37-78(.474)  21-67(.313)
Jr   77.9   118.7   28.2   53.3   1.5   7.8    22.2   16.8    3.2   51.5   203-247(.822)  91-202(.450) 110-278(.396)
So  74.7   101.7   26.2   47.3   2.6   7.7    21.4   22.0    3.0   31.0   91-125(.728)  78-179(.436)  75-224(.335)
Fr   58.0   102.7   22.4   47.6   1.1   5.4    25.1   22.2    2.9   34.2   63-92(.685)  68-137(.496)  40-132(.303)

the bolding is mostly just to make things easier to read.


anyways, i'm posting this because there is a sense across goEMAW, gpc & elsewhere that pullen is playing significantly worse than was expected.  if that is true, it was the expectations that failed, not pullen.  his numbers in almost all categories can be seen to be in line with his historical averages (even accounting for trends of improvement with age).

if you wish to look for categories where he might reasonably be expected to improve, and which would positively impact his offensive rating, i think you are basically only talking about three items - free throw rate, shot selection (in this case, shooting more 3s), and 3pt%.

[kso_FAN]

Great post sys.  Really only the Duke (maybe Wash St) game has been a disappointing game for Pullen, he's been fine outside of that.  Here is his team impact chart from statsheet (similar to what sys posted, a bit different) that shows the only dropoff he's had is 3PT shooting.

[ben ji]

I completely expected him to pick up all of denis scoring.

[FHSU92]

While his #'s are not different than his FR/SO campaigns, I would expect them to be at least the same and slightly better in a few categories given he's a yr older and tabbed as an AA.

So, while he's not performing much different than he has in prior years, he's not living up to expectations - which will hurt his NBA draft stock, which wasn't too high to begin with.

He needs Energy's energy (or, whoever is playing the point needs that E).  He tries to play too cool, which is fine when you're up by 10 and shooting > 40% beyond the arc, but when you're down 10 and shooting 20%, if that, from the arc he needs to get steals and force TOs.   

[Poster formerly known as jthutch]

While his #'s are not different than his FR/SO campaigns, I would expect them to be at least the same and slightly better in a few categories given he's a yr older and tabbed as an AA.

So, while he's not performing much different than he has in prior years, he's not living up to expectations - which will hurt his NBA draft stock, which wasn't too high to begin with.

He needs Energy's energy (or, whoever is playing the point needs that E).  He tries to play too cool, which is fine when you're up by 10 and shooting > 40% beyond the arc, but when you're down 10 and shooting 20%, if that, from the arc he needs to get steals and force TOs.   

THIS

[sys]

it's times like these when i hate our fans most of all.

[OregonSmock]

Pullen's playing significantly worse this season, as you can see by the stats.  His Ortg is down 14 points, his free throw percentage is down ~11%, and his 3-point percentage is down ~8%.  He needs someone to step up at point guard, because he's not nearly the same player when he's not playing off the ball. 

[mcmwcat]

looks like recruiting experts nailed it again in their evalution of Jake 4 years ago.  

dear idiots, stars matter.

[Cartierfor3]

3 PT. shooting is a disapointment because of the way we saw him shoot against BYU/Xavier and that's what was most fresh in our minds.  I'm still confident he's going to have a 1st team all conference season.  

Wasn't Denis shooting like 27% from 3 at this point last year and everyone melting down about it?  Yes, I know, not you SD.

[sys]

He needs someone to step up at point guard, because he's not nearly the same player when he's not playing off the ball. 

imagine that, bmw clinging to a talking point, irregardless of evidence for or against.

[kso_FAN]

Pullen's playing significantly worse this season, as you can see by the stats.  His Ortg is down 14 points, his free throw percentage is down ~11%, and his 3-point percentage is down ~8%.  He needs someone to step up at point guard, because he's not nearly the same player when he's not playing off the ball.  

While true, even worse play by Kelly (and in some games Samuels) is hurting this team far more than Pullen, even in most of his poor shooting games.

3 PT. shooting is a disapointment because of the way we saw him shoot against BYU/Xavier and that's what was most fresh in our minds.  I'm still confident he's going to have a 1st team all conference season.  

Wasn't Denis shooting like 27% from 3 at this point last year and everyone melting down about it?  Yes, I know, not you SD.

Yes.

[sys]

Wasn't Denis shooting like 27% from 3 at this point last year and everyone melting down about it?  Yes, I know, not you SD.

yes.  it wasn't until martin moved him off-ball that he was finally able to hit a few threes.

[kso_FAN]

Wasn't Denis shooting like 27% from 3 at this point last year and everyone melting down about it?  Yes, I know, not you SD.

yes.  it wasn't until martin moved him off-ball that he was finally able to hit a few threes.

Now THAT is good bbsing. 

[OregonSmock]

He needs someone to step up at point guard, because he's not nearly the same player when he's not playing off the ball. 

imagine that, bmw clinging to a talking point, irregardless of evidence for or against.

"Irregardless."  


 



Statistical evidence shows that Pullen's scoring numbers are down, his free throw numbers are down, his field goal numbers are down, his 3-point numbers are down, and his turnover rate is higher.  But, but, but... it's just a phog.net talking point!!!!

[sys]

"Irregardless."  


 

what a dumbass.

[sys]

Statistical evidence shows that Pullen's scoring numbers are down, his free throw numbers are down, his field goal numbers are down, his 3-point numbers are down, and his turnover rate is higher.  But, but, but... it's just a phog.net talking point!!!!

not just a phog.net talking point.  a lot of idiots in other places also convinced themselves that a career pg with combo skills could only play at the nominal "2" in kstate's offense.  it's Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!), but phog.net hasn't yet monopolized retardation.

[chum1]

aren't  there some numbers that would tell us what to expect regarding  the relationship between fan expectations and numbers?  because it looks like we could use some.

[kougar24]

I'm not entirely positive, but I'm fairly sure using FT% as evidence that moving back to PG has hurt Pullen is something an idiot would do.

[sonofdaxjones]

Statistical evidence shows that Pullen's scoring numbers are down, his free throw numbers are down, his field goal numbers are down, his 3-point numbers are down, and his turnover rate is higher.  But, but, but... it's just a phog.net talking point!!!!

not just a phog.net talking point.  a lot of idiots in other places also convinced themselves that a career pg with combo skills could only play at the nominal "2" in kstate's offense.  it's Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!), but phog.net hasn't yet monopolized retardation.

Never, ever sell Tardville short in these areas.

[OregonSmock]

"Irregardless."  


 

what a dumbass.

Wow... you are dumber than a box of bricks.  Looks like that K-State education really paid off, Mr. Contrarian.

[OregonSmock]

I'm not entirely positive, but I'm fairly sure using FT% as evidence that moving back to PG has hurt Pullen is something an idiot would do.

I was just pointing out that his overall numbers are down this year, which only someone with an extremely small penis would deny.  His free throw rate is down as well, which indicates to me that he's trying to distribute the ball more, instead of looking to score and draw a foul.  But, but, but... deny the fact that KU fans were right at all costs!!!!!

[sys]

Wow... you are dumber than a box of bricks.

 

[sys]

I was just pointing out that his overall numbers are down this year, which only someone with an extremely small penis would deny.  His free throw rate is down as well, which indicates to me that he's trying to distribute the ball more, instead of looking to score and draw a foul.

his shot% is up and he's attempting a higher proportion of 2s than 3s compared to last year, dumbass.

[OregonSmock]

I was just pointing out that his overall numbers are down this year, which only someone with an extremely small penis would deny.  His free throw rate is down as well, which indicates to me that he's trying to distribute the ball more, instead of looking to score and draw a foul.

his shot% is up and he's attempting a higher proportion of 2s than 3s compared to last year, dumbass.

Irregardless, for all intensive purposes, your a moran.


    

[steve dave]

well, beems apparently missed the irregardless thread